This is a pre-order and is expected to ship around the 23rd of October.
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Sawb
4 Oct 17#1
Is this a new thing, misstagging deals?
No1_VIPER to Sawb
4 Oct 17#3
Fixed it now. That was auto tagged for some reason.
maj2509
4 Oct 17#2
While I am not big fan of Chinese phones, I must admit it's a lot of phone.
No1_VIPER to maj2509
4 Oct 17#4
I know what you mean... I'm tempted to give it a go at this price.
plewis00 to No1_VIPER
4 Oct 17#5
It’s a good price but don’t get sucked in is my honest advice. I’ve bought cheap Chinese phones with great specs and my opinion after a while is that they’re ‘good’ but have critical flaws (e.g. slow/weak WiFi, unresponsive touchscreen, etc.) and after all that, they almost definitely have some kind of malware somewhere. This is why I’ve concluded that I just don’t mind paying more for a proper brand... I’m sure you can argue that Apple, Google, Samsung, Sony, all analyse your data but at least they ask whereas I’ve found malware hidden in the oddest places on these phones
woldranger to plewis00
4 Oct 17#6
What about Xiaomi? They have a shed load of great phones out at the mo, and most seem a whole heap more stable and solid than your average "too good to be true" cheapie that pops up here.
As for this phone, the specs look really good for the money, but I've not bothered looking at any reviews as I'm not currently in the market for a new handset.
Don't forget TCB on this!
plewis00 to woldranger
4 Oct 17#7
I don’t consider Xiaomi in the same league as ‘cheap Chinese phones’. I’d place them along with Oppo, OnePlus, etc. But there have been reported of cheap Xiaomi phones preloaded with malware from unscrupulous sellers so don’t automaassume it’s safe.
yeahbutitsnotfree to plewis00
4 Oct 17#9
And you assume the likes of apple and Samsung are safe?
plewis00 to yeahbutitsnotfree
4 Oct 17#10
Put the tin hat away. At least you can opt out of data sharing. If you genuinely believe that they (Apple and Samsung) are as bad as some of the cheap Chinese brands then you should probably ditch your smartphone and bury your online presence entirely, including HUKD. You can take reasonable precaution and, yes, I don’t think Samsung or Apple are doing half as much as those other brands like Oukitel, Ulefone, Doogee, etc. Otherwise it would be all over the internet already
yeahbutitsnotfree to plewis00
4 Oct 17#11
Otherwise it would be all over the Internet? Have you heard yourself?
plewis00 to yeahbutitsnotfree
4 Oct 17#13
If Apple and Samsung were blatantly loading phones with malware and viruses, someone much smarter than us would have blown it wide open by now. And if you honestly thought your data was at risk, you wouldn’t be debating it with me on a public forum. There is no big conspiracy theory.
So yes, I have ‘heard myself’ and FWIW I have found malware first-hand on a cheap Chinese phone (a Doogee X9 Pro most recently) and I have not ever found anything on my Sony Z5 or any of my iDevices.
.MUFC. to plewis00
5 Oct 17#32
iTunes is a virus.
shadey12 to plewis00
5 Oct 17#18
You were slating oukitel yesterday, you never responded to my request for a link on that thread. Are you going to continue slating phones you have not owned or have any knowledge of just because you allegedly found something on a phone once?
plewis00 to shadey12
5 Oct 17#20
It’s just like people demanding receipts in Tesco threads... I have owned them all, I could show you receipts or the actual phone or the virus scan but I don’t see why I should. Just Google it for yourself or see the reviews of these things on Amazon. I didn’t respond to you because your request wasn’t even a proper sentence and you could just have typed it into Google in seconds
You should probably ask what possible agenda I could have for telling you this or maybe it’s the simple reason - which is that it’s the truth and I’d rather not see someone else fall foul of it. Caveat emptor
shadey12 to plewis00
5 Oct 17#24
Looking at some of your previous comments, when did it all change, It seems strange. Less than 24 hours ago on a oukitel thread you mention a doogee you had problems with. Would it have not been more relevant to mention the 2 year old oukitel oukitel (just a thought) Contradictions everywhere. Why have you been singing the praises of Chinese phones if you have had so many phones with problems and malware over the last few years, did you not want to warn people then? It's easy to find a fault on a product using Google search. Buyer beware or buyer beware of people making claims of owning numerous faulty phones and continuing to buy them.
plewis00 to shadey12
5 Oct 17#25
It changed a few weeks ago after real world use and actually finding malware embedded in the ROM of a couple of phones and yes, the early comments were initial opinions and yes, I still buy from Banggood - but this is drones and tools not phones and I still recommend them.
I went back to the Doogee F9 Pro thread and reposted the other day, I also updated my reviews but I guess in your rather sad witch-hunt you glossed over that. Given the detail and energy you went to, I am surprised or maybe I’m not?
Search some of the threads on HUKD and you will find others corroborating the malware concerns independently. But it’s fine I won’t bother, would it be easier to say ‘I made it all up’, is that what you want? It’s certainly easier than trying to argue with someone that has nothing better to do in their existence than go through my old posts. I would just refer you back to my point before, what could I possibly stand to gain either way?
Of course, I see what you have to gain - according to your Oukitel K10000 Pro thread you bought one in the presale and used a Leegoo Shark before...
shadey12 to plewis00
5 Oct 17#33
Still use both daily, thanks. Not much of a search, I will take your comments the same as a certain member from London.
plewis00 to shadey12
5 Oct 17#36
That’s good to know.
It wouldn’t have mattered what I said as you had your own agenda. If you had asked me to prove it, I might just have done what you asked.
You will still buy these budget phones and I will avoid them, admittedly having changed my opinion of them (which I never disputed) recently having experienced the bad side of this first hand. But as it’s a public forum the least you could do is be a decent human being and accept that your opinion may differ to mine. I think meticulously screenshotting my comments, uploading them and deconstructing it is pretty sad. The date I posted all this doesn’t contradict anything, I did go back and correct my Amazon review and I did go back and warn others what I’d found. I won’t bother in the future, it’s just a reminder why there are no winners on the internet.
shadey12 to plewis00
5 Oct 17#38
You should try the hukd app, very fast. Certainly not time consuming or meticulous.
bryanhaines399 to shadey12
5 Oct 17#21
alexus to plewis00
4 Oct 17#12
Think that's more likely buying a phone from a seller on eBay. Open box chance to mess with the phone change rom. Xiaomi direct from China from a deal on here, they tend to be hot because of their existing customer base on hotukdeals and sellers people have good experiences off. Ebay I would only touch like a main store outlet argos for example.
plewis00 to alexus
4 Oct 17#14
There were stories of it happening with Banggood and GearBest too. But from an authorised reseller it should be fine. Google it if you’re not sure, lots of stuff on it. Xiaomi are good but they are quite a bit more than the other ‘Chinese brands’ too.
retrend to woldranger
5 Oct 17#39
The radios on my xiaomi died after 8 months. Common problem, at least hundreds of other users affected from the looks of the xiaomi forums with posts going back to 2015 on this topic.
yeahbutitsnotfree
4 Oct 17#8
720 screen :cry:
blitzmmccv to yeahbutitsnotfree
5 Oct 17#40
I felt like that too. Amazing looking phone let down by a 720p screen. Still for £108 plus 6% TCB you can't really complain. I'm thinking about getting one purely for taking my ebay pictures with lol. My iPhone is getting too full of eBay pictures :P
soapyd
4 Oct 17#15
So avoid this phone then???? :joy: :joy: :joy:
Proveright
4 Oct 17#16
I have Ulefone Power and an xiaomi max, both are fantastic phones.
I met s couple who work in a company repairing phones and the I phones, especially the iPhone 5 s have their own box there are so many. The well know brands here all have their faults.
I have never had a problem with Chinese phones, but I would buy through Ali express whom offer insurance to repair a phone in the UK in the first year if there was a problem.
No1_VIPER
4 Oct 17#17
I've previously bought phones from China via Banggood and AliExpress. I've never had any issues before with customs or issues with the phones themselves.
I've had phones from Ulefone, Blackview and Vernee. All of which were great. Also none of them had any malware or virus on them.
The_IMF to No1_VIPER
5 Oct 17#19
That's what she said.
(My comment makes no sense but neither does arguing on deal threads)
The specs on this phone though... Wow! May pick one up for the old man.
Wonder how this compares to the Doogee Mix.
pengwyn
5 Oct 17#22
I must admit I would stick with Xiaomi from a big reseller like MC from Singapore and I believe that there is no malware. I suppose these cheap Chinese brands sell the phones at a loss and recoup their money by adware with affiliate links in them as well as getting paid by the advertiser's. I just wish I had someone who could remove any malware and I would take a chance on doogee or leagoo at 50 but since I don't I'm happy to pay a 100 more for a 600 Snapdragon processor instead of a 400 with probably 4 GB ram instead of 3. You still get good value with the 'premium' Chinese brands
tawse57
5 Oct 17#23
Isn't this problem solved by buying a slghtly older Chinese smartphone - one that has been out for several months - and going over to XDA Developers and downloading a custom made non-Chinese ROM onto it?
OK, a bit of hassle and you need to do some technical stuff... and need to really find the right ROM is available before you buy the phone.... but surely this is an option?
plewis00 to tawse57
5 Oct 17#26
If they haven’t locked the bootloader. But yes, if you have the skills and ability to do this and the phone is capable then it would be a valid option, I believe Xiaomi handsets are open to this.
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This is a pre-order and is expected to ship around the 23rd of October.
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As for this phone, the specs look really good for the money, but I've not bothered looking at any reviews as I'm not currently in the market for a new handset.
Don't forget TCB on this!
So yes, I have ‘heard myself’ and FWIW I have found malware first-hand on a cheap Chinese phone (a Doogee X9 Pro most recently) and I have not ever found anything on my Sony Z5 or any of my iDevices.
Are you going to continue slating phones you have not owned or have any knowledge of just because you allegedly found something on a phone once?
It was an Oukitel Universe Tap.
And there’s your link - two for that exact phone but there’s more...:
amazon.co.uk/gp/…r=1
reddit.com/r/A…rd/
You should probably ask what possible agenda I could have for telling you this or maybe it’s the simple reason - which is that it’s the truth and I’d rather not see someone else fall foul of it. Caveat emptor
It seems strange. Less than 24 hours ago on a oukitel thread you mention a doogee you had problems with. Would it have not been more relevant to mention the 2 year old oukitel oukitel (just a thought)
Contradictions everywhere.
Why have you been singing the praises of Chinese phones if you have had so many phones with problems and malware over the last few years, did you not want to warn people then?
It's easy to find a fault on a product using Google search.
Buyer beware or buyer beware of people making claims of owning numerous faulty phones and continuing to buy them.
I went back to the Doogee F9 Pro thread and reposted the other day, I also updated my reviews but I guess in your rather sad witch-hunt you glossed over that. Given the detail and energy you went to, I am surprised or maybe I’m not?
Search some of the threads on HUKD and you will find others corroborating the malware concerns independently. But it’s fine I won’t bother, would it be easier to say ‘I made it all up’, is that what you want? It’s certainly easier than trying to argue with someone that has nothing better to do in their existence than go through my old posts. I would just refer you back to my point before, what could I possibly stand to gain either way?
Of course, I see what you have to gain - according to your Oukitel K10000 Pro thread you bought one in the presale and used a Leegoo Shark before...
Not much of a search, I will take your comments the same as a certain member from London.
It wouldn’t have mattered what I said as you had your own agenda. If you had asked me to prove it, I might just have done what you asked.
You will still buy these budget phones and I will avoid them, admittedly having changed my opinion of them (which I never disputed) recently having experienced the bad side of this first hand. But as it’s a public forum the least you could do is be a decent human being and accept that your opinion may differ to mine. I think meticulously screenshotting my comments, uploading them and deconstructing it is pretty sad. The date I posted all this doesn’t contradict anything, I did go back and correct my Amazon review and I did go back and warn others what I’d found. I won’t bother in the future, it’s just a reminder why there are no winners on the internet.
I met s couple who work in a company repairing phones and the I phones, especially the iPhone 5 s have their own box there are so many. The well know brands here all have their faults.
I have never had a problem with Chinese phones, but I would buy through Ali express whom offer insurance to repair a phone in the UK in the first year if there was a problem.
I've had phones from Ulefone, Blackview and Vernee. All of which were great. Also none of them had any malware or virus on them.
(My comment makes no sense but neither does arguing on deal threads)
The specs on this phone though... Wow! May pick one up for the old man.
Wonder how this compares to the Doogee Mix.
OK, a bit of hassle and you need to do some technical stuff... and need to really find the right ROM is available before you buy the phone.... but surely this is an option?