I guess price matching the Argos deal posted a few days ago. Sold by Amazon so prime-able & free delivery.
£190 at JL and > £200 elsewhere.
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silvercrest23
1 Sep 17#1
Just bought from Argos (£130) and its very powerful. Really great vacuum cleaner.(The John Lewis one says only 1200 w on the specs page)
ST3123
1 Sep 17#2
Hmm energy class F, looks like one of them high power low efficiency ones the EU is trying to get banned, so they are probably offloading remaining stock cheap, might get even cheaper still as they want to get rid of them while they can still sell them. From the Amazon page it looks potentially a good buy if you have pets though....
afroylnt to ST3123
1 Sep 17#6
EU strategy is flawed, I know shock, horror! ; hovering with a low powered vaccum cleaner takes twice as long as a high power one but uses pretty much the same electricity...
pibpob to afroylnt
1 Sep 17#8
Where did you get that information from? A test lab or the Daily Mail?
afroylnt to pibpob
1 Sep 17#11
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Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
Surprised you have time to post as assumed you would be to busy using your EU / underpowered hoover..
pibpob to afroylnt
1 Sep 17#12
As I thought - Daily Mail levels of scientific ineptitude.
afroylnt to pibpob
1 Sep 17#14
And I admire your guilibity; but thank goodness not everyone is so easily fooled..happy hoovering as you will be spending allot of time on it I think.
Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
pibpob to afroylnt
1 Sep 17#15
You've just repeated yourself. I know where you got that "Information" from - a subjective comparison of two totally different units. If you had any scientific nous at all, you would realise that such a flawed experiment would be laughed out of court. And yet, of course, your experience, on a sample of one, trumps (pun intended) properly controlled scientific studies done by respected test labs, because they are part of some EU conspiracy to stop us eating bent carrots - or something. :thinking:
afroylnt to pibpob
1 Sep 17#19
Go on then give us all a laugh, what 900w EU green approved hoover has the same real world vaccuming power as this Meile?
afroylnt to ST3123
2 Sep 17#32
so it seems bring on the even lower power, poor performance EU approved vaccums; then take twice as long to hoover....
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#36
So it seems bring on lower power, more efficient EU approved vacuums which lower your electricity bill and reduce carbon emissions; then take less long to hoover as they don't just stick to the carpet...
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#42
get real; in years to come maybe, maybe ...so please provide examples of available vaccum cleaners that have the same real world suction power has this Meile but are rated at 900w?
When it comes to what sucks the most between 900w hoovers and the EU on this specific regulation I think I know who would win every time..
If a hoover doesn't appear to 'stick to teh carpet' then its normally just a sign that it has weak suction.
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#44
I don't need to give you any examples - the tests have been done already, by the EC, in order to allow you to choose a vacuum cleaner based on how well it works rather than how much power it consumes. Surely that is a good thing?
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#46
I am supicious of tests carried out by the EU; just look at the car emssisons test's and the fact that they are not changing for a few years due to the polictical power of the German and French car maufacturers.
Rather than legistate on wattage why not just encourage maufacturers to produce the same real world suction power with lower wattage? Let the consumers decide; I for one would buy a lower wattage cleaner if it had the same real world performance; though I am highly sceptical that this possible from a hoover that does'nt cost the earth so to speak.
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#47
You are right to be suspicious of them, and Dyson has been suing them over it.
However, would you prefer some sort of test, or would you prefer being a slave to a marketing machine that just makes these devices more and more powerful rather than more effective? If you are suspicious about EC tests you should be terrified of manufacturers' claims!
They need to legislate on wattage because otherwise "suction power" will just be abused instead. You don't need the power of an industrial vacuum system to clean your floor, yet you will be constantly badgered into believing that you do.
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#48
I want the choice of which type of hoover I buy; if a 900w really is as quick as a 1600w / 2000w then great- I remain skeptical until I can try one. There is a philips 620w but that costs circa £240+ so will take forever to make up for the higher purchase price and that's even if it has good suction power.
However what I don't want is ; a) a body of which we have no power deciding how long it will take me to vaccum nor b) having to spend twice as long vaccuming due to only benig able to purchase a vaccum with significantly lower suction.
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#49
We don't have "no power" over the EC. Ask your MEP.
You won't have to spend twice as long vacuuming - there's no reason for the ridiculous power of many vacuum cleaners. They don't function any better. Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved?
Unless you are Donald Trump, man-made climate change is a scientific fact. We need to be more responsible about how we consume energy, and if bodies like this can give us tiny nudges in the correct direction, then we should be grateful, not resentful.
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#50
At last we agree on something; we have no power over the EU on this legislation; "We don't have "no power" over the EC. Ask your MEP"...means in effect we have zero power to change it.
Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved? Yes that's my whole point; the Miele is twice as fast as my Dyson - the Dyson needs two passes to get close to the Meile (even then it still can't match it).
I would be more interested in having more efficient kettles than hoovers.
melted to afroylnt
3 Sep 17#58
Unless the latest revisions have changed things, there are actually some exceptions to the maximum vacuum wattage regulations. As I recall wet and dry Vacuums aren't limited and neither are commercial vacuums fitted with a suction nozzle over a certain width.
Unfortunately, the bypass motors fitted in wet and dry vacuums aren't that efficient, and they usually come with highly ineffective carpet cleaning wands and tools.
melted to pibpob
3 Sep 17#57
They didn't need to legislate on washing machine wattage, they used energy efficient labelling and let consumers decide.
They could have done the same thing with vacuum cleaners, alternatively they could have set a minimum input wattage to output airwatt ratio requirement, which would have eliminated vacuum cleaners that are inefficient, whether low or high powered.
steve31415
1 Sep 17#3
UK stores are still allowed to sell old stock - no time limit on that. From today they won't be allowed to import or manufacture vacuums with a power exceeding 900W: bbc.co.uk/new…355
johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#4
Get a dyson with active heads. Much more efficient at removing dirt
ChrisGilbert to johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#9
Get a dog then realise your Dyson is worse than what comes out of the back of your dog.
SuffolkLad222 to johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#10
Really? That's not my experience especially when you take into account the time spent emptying the tiny dust container and cleaning the thing. I had 3 Dysons before realising that my heart was with the wrong brand. I have a Miele C2 now and realise that Dyson has a very strong marketing dept. which wins over customers with the theoretical science of their machines, but they simply don't deliver like a good old-fashioned bag hoover.
I moved to Dyson to avoid using disposable bags. What I found is I swapped disposable bags for disposable parts / filters and time to clean all the parts that regularly get blocked. The Miele is hassle-free in comparison.
I still have a relatively new Dyson in one of my homes and I'm tempted to pass it on to someone even before it inevitably breaks in favour of another Miele.
Was just going to post this. Had it reserved at Argos for 129 (+£10 voucher) but just realised it had been reduced to 119 at Amazon, so ordered it there.
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All comments (62)
Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
Surprised you have time to post as assumed you would be to busy using your EU / underpowered hoover..
And I admire your guilibity; but thank goodness not everyone is so easily fooled..happy hoovering as you will be spending allot of time on it I think.
Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
When it comes to what sucks the most between 900w hoovers and the EU on this specific regulation I think I know who would win every time..
If a hoover doesn't appear to 'stick to teh carpet' then its normally just a sign that it has weak suction.
Rather than legistate on wattage why not just encourage maufacturers to produce the same real world suction power with lower wattage? Let the consumers decide; I for one would buy a lower wattage cleaner if it had the same real world performance; though I am highly sceptical that this possible from a hoover that does'nt cost the earth so to speak.
However, would you prefer some sort of test, or would you prefer being a slave to a marketing machine that just makes these devices more and more powerful rather than more effective? If you are suspicious about EC tests you should be terrified of manufacturers' claims!
They need to legislate on wattage because otherwise "suction power" will just be abused instead. You don't need the power of an industrial vacuum system to clean your floor, yet you will be constantly badgered into believing that you do.
However what I don't want is ;
a) a body of which we have no power deciding how long it will take me to vaccum nor
b) having to spend twice as long vaccuming due to only benig able to purchase a vaccum with significantly lower suction.
You won't have to spend twice as long vacuuming - there's no reason for the ridiculous power of many vacuum cleaners. They don't function any better. Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved?
Unless you are Donald Trump, man-made climate change is a scientific fact. We need to be more responsible about how we consume energy, and if bodies like this can give us tiny nudges in the correct direction, then we should be grateful, not resentful.
Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved? Yes that's my whole point; the Miele is twice as fast as my Dyson - the Dyson needs two passes to get close to the Meile (even then it still can't match it).
I would be more interested in having more efficient kettles than hoovers.
Unfortunately, the bypass motors fitted in wet and dry vacuums aren't that efficient, and they usually come with highly ineffective carpet cleaning wands and tools.
They could have done the same thing with vacuum cleaners, alternatively they could have set a minimum input wattage to output airwatt ratio requirement, which would have eliminated vacuum cleaners that are inefficient, whether low or high powered.
I moved to Dyson to avoid using disposable bags. What I found is I swapped disposable bags for disposable parts / filters and time to clean all the parts that regularly get blocked. The Miele is hassle-free in comparison.
I still have a relatively new Dyson in one of my homes and I'm tempted to pass it on to someone even before it inevitably breaks in favour of another Miele.