I guess price matching the Argos deal posted a few days ago. Sold by Amazon so prime-able & free delivery.
£190 at JL and > £200 elsewhere.
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silvercrest23
1 Sep 17#1
Just bought from Argos (£130) and its very powerful. Really great vacuum cleaner.(The John Lewis one says only 1200 w on the specs page)
ST3123
1 Sep 17#2
Hmm energy class F, looks like one of them high power low efficiency ones the EU is trying to get banned, so they are probably offloading remaining stock cheap, might get even cheaper still as they want to get rid of them while they can still sell them. From the Amazon page it looks potentially a good buy if you have pets though....
afroylnt to ST3123
1 Sep 17#6
EU strategy is flawed, I know shock, horror! ; hovering with a low powered vaccum cleaner takes twice as long as a high power one but uses pretty much the same electricity...
pibpob to afroylnt
1 Sep 17#8
Where did you get that information from? A test lab or the Daily Mail?
afroylnt to pibpob
1 Sep 17#11
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Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
Surprised you have time to post as assumed you would be to busy using your EU / underpowered hoover..
pibpob to afroylnt
1 Sep 17#12
As I thought - Daily Mail levels of scientific ineptitude.
afroylnt to pibpob
1 Sep 17#14
And I admire your guilibity; but thank goodness not everyone is so easily fooled..happy hoovering as you will be spending allot of time on it I think.
Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
pibpob to afroylnt
1 Sep 17#15
You've just repeated yourself. I know where you got that "Information" from - a subjective comparison of two totally different units. If you had any scientific nous at all, you would realise that such a flawed experiment would be laughed out of court. And yet, of course, your experience, on a sample of one, trumps (pun intended) properly controlled scientific studies done by respected test labs, because they are part of some EU conspiracy to stop us eating bent carrots - or something. :thinking:
afroylnt to pibpob
1 Sep 17#19
Go on then give us all a laugh, what 900w EU green approved hoover has the same real world vaccuming power as this Meile?
afroylnt to ST3123
2 Sep 17#32
so it seems bring on the even lower power, poor performance EU approved vaccums; then take twice as long to hoover....
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#36
So it seems bring on lower power, more efficient EU approved vacuums which lower your electricity bill and reduce carbon emissions; then take less long to hoover as they don't just stick to the carpet...
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#42
get real; in years to come maybe, maybe ...so please provide examples of available vaccum cleaners that have the same real world suction power has this Meile but are rated at 900w?
When it comes to what sucks the most between 900w hoovers and the EU on this specific regulation I think I know who would win every time..
If a hoover doesn't appear to 'stick to teh carpet' then its normally just a sign that it has weak suction.
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#44
I don't need to give you any examples - the tests have been done already, by the EC, in order to allow you to choose a vacuum cleaner based on how well it works rather than how much power it consumes. Surely that is a good thing?
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#46
I am supicious of tests carried out by the EU; just look at the car emssisons test's and the fact that they are not changing for a few years due to the polictical power of the German and French car maufacturers.
Rather than legistate on wattage why not just encourage maufacturers to produce the same real world suction power with lower wattage? Let the consumers decide; I for one would buy a lower wattage cleaner if it had the same real world performance; though I am highly sceptical that this possible from a hoover that does'nt cost the earth so to speak.
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#47
You are right to be suspicious of them, and Dyson has been suing them over it.
However, would you prefer some sort of test, or would you prefer being a slave to a marketing machine that just makes these devices more and more powerful rather than more effective? If you are suspicious about EC tests you should be terrified of manufacturers' claims!
They need to legislate on wattage because otherwise "suction power" will just be abused instead. You don't need the power of an industrial vacuum system to clean your floor, yet you will be constantly badgered into believing that you do.
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#48
I want the choice of which type of hoover I buy; if a 900w really is as quick as a 1600w / 2000w then great- I remain skeptical until I can try one. There is a philips 620w but that costs circa £240+ so will take forever to make up for the higher purchase price and that's even if it has good suction power.
However what I don't want is ; a) a body of which we have no power deciding how long it will take me to vaccum nor b) having to spend twice as long vaccuming due to only benig able to purchase a vaccum with significantly lower suction.
pibpob to afroylnt
2 Sep 17#49
We don't have "no power" over the EC. Ask your MEP.
You won't have to spend twice as long vacuuming - there's no reason for the ridiculous power of many vacuum cleaners. They don't function any better. Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved?
Unless you are Donald Trump, man-made climate change is a scientific fact. We need to be more responsible about how we consume energy, and if bodies like this can give us tiny nudges in the correct direction, then we should be grateful, not resentful.
afroylnt to pibpob
2 Sep 17#50
At last we agree on something; we have no power over the EU on this legislation; "We don't have "no power" over the EC. Ask your MEP"...means in effect we have zero power to change it.
Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved? Yes that's my whole point; the Miele is twice as fast as my Dyson - the Dyson needs two passes to get close to the Meile (even then it still can't match it).
I would be more interested in having more efficient kettles than hoovers.
melted to afroylnt
3 Sep 17#58
Unless the latest revisions have changed things, there are actually some exceptions to the maximum vacuum wattage regulations. As I recall wet and dry Vacuums aren't limited and neither are commercial vacuums fitted with a suction nozzle over a certain width.
Unfortunately, the bypass motors fitted in wet and dry vacuums aren't that efficient, and they usually come with highly ineffective carpet cleaning wands and tools.
melted to pibpob
3 Sep 17#57
They didn't need to legislate on washing machine wattage, they used energy efficient labelling and let consumers decide.
They could have done the same thing with vacuum cleaners, alternatively they could have set a minimum input wattage to output airwatt ratio requirement, which would have eliminated vacuum cleaners that are inefficient, whether low or high powered.
steve31415
1 Sep 17#3
UK stores are still allowed to sell old stock - no time limit on that. From today they won't be allowed to import or manufacture vacuums with a power exceeding 900W: bbc.co.uk/new…355
johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#4
Get a dyson with active heads. Much more efficient at removing dirt
ChrisGilbert to johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#9
Get a dog then realise your Dyson is worse than what comes out of the back of your dog.
SuffolkLad222 to johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#10
Really? That's not my experience especially when you take into account the time spent emptying the tiny dust container and cleaning the thing. I had 3 Dysons before realising that my heart was with the wrong brand. I have a Miele C2 now and realise that Dyson has a very strong marketing dept. which wins over customers with the theoretical science of their machines, but they simply don't deliver like a good old-fashioned bag hoover.
I moved to Dyson to avoid using disposable bags. What I found is I swapped disposable bags for disposable parts / filters and time to clean all the parts that regularly get blocked. The Miele is hassle-free in comparison.
I still have a relatively new Dyson in one of my homes and I'm tempted to pass it on to someone even before it inevitably breaks in favour of another Miele.
Was just going to post this. Had it reserved at Argos for 129 (+£10 voucher) but just realised it had been reduced to 119 at Amazon, so ordered it there.
davewave
1 Sep 17#13
Thank you for posting the deal!
angelamarrison
1 Sep 17#16
Thank you. Great deal.
ryanshelton
1 Sep 17#17
The carpet pick up is rated as a C, the same as a £80 Hoover in Argos?! How?!!
melted to ryanshelton
1 Sep 17#18
I'm mystified how they test and measure their cleaning ratings, but Which apparently haven't found the labels consistent with their own tests:- which.co.uk/new…54/
I've found the best guide is airwatts and airflow, my current machine is 360 airwatts and is easily the best at removing dust, including dust deeply embedded into the pile of the carpet that I've used. It is also double the new EU max wattage, so when it fails it will be hard to get a worthwhile replacement.
pibpob to melted
1 Sep 17#20
James Dyson's beef with the EC tests is that they only measure with new bags, and either the performance drops off as the bags fill, or the power consumption is increased by the device to compensate. I can see his point! He's won his appeal against the dismissal of his case though. (Maybe after the VW scandal they're realised their testing regime is far from satisfactory?)
However, I can see exactly why these controls are needed: to protect a generally scientifically illiterate public from the ruthless marketing machine. Even if you don't get so many air watts overall, I hope you get more air watts per electricity watt and that the airflow is used more wisely.
melted to pibpob
1 Sep 17#25
And bagless vacuums like Dyson's get less and less efficient as their filter clogs, but that and dyson's complaint are only relevant in that with an already underpowered vacuum, you don't have the option of turning the power dial up to boost the suction when the filter or bags start getting clogged, the result being that you have to replace bags more often, and wash and replace expensive filters more frequently, if not the whole machine because you've had enough of it.
Before these rules, there were a few horribly inefficient vacuum cleaners on the market due to their poor design and inefficient motors, that were using their high power rating as a selling point yet delivered poor suction, but there were already much more efficient vacuums that used a high wattage motor to actually deliver high airwatts and more effective and faster cleaning. There's some room for improvement in motors, but I seriously doubt you'll get as good vacuums using only 900 watts.
My current vacuum at 1,800 watts is only 200 watts more than my previous model (which was still an above average suction one) yet it was something like 100 extra airwatts, and when new was exceptionally quiet due to good design. I can really appreciate the difference when I go over the carpet with a carpet washer after vacuuming, if there are no spills on the carpet, the washing water comes out clear, after vacuuming with the old one it would be grey from all the washed out dust.
johnmcdon to melted
2 Sep 17#37
How often do you use a carpet washer? Which hoover are you talking about that has 100 extra air watts? Which carpet washer do you use?
melted to johnmcdon
3 Sep 17#53
I wash most of the carpets once a year, and the hallway carpet 2 or 3, and use it several times a year to clear up spills, usually before they have a chance to dry in.
The carpet cleaner is a Bissell pro-heat, it's pretty good at washing, but not quite as good at drying the carpet. It is also fairly heavy and bulky and after use needs a bit of cleaning itself or else the spinning brush is likely to get jammed up by carpet pile fluff, and it can't be stored anywhere it might freeze as there is always water trapped in the pipework and pump etc that would cause damage if it froze.
My vacuum is a bagless Samsung cylinder cleaner with a turbo brush (1,800 watt motor and 360 airwatts suction ) I think it was about £180. I'm on the look out for a replacement with at least the same amount of suction, and a similar quality wand, but I'm not optomistic about finding one.
chocci to ryanshelton
3 Sep 17#52
Because it's pretty useless on carpets. I have this model and it's only good on hard flooring or really short pile carpets, I detest using it on my deep pile carpets as it barely picks anything up as there isn't a revolving bar
123sonny123
1 Sep 17#21
Been using Miele's for years. Last year thought we would try a Dyson. What a waste of £250. Most over-engineered thing on the planet and so uncomfortable to use around our home and on staircase.
johnmcdon to 123sonny123
1 Sep 17#22
Which dyson? I have the dyson v8 its a god send
pibpob to johnmcdon
1 Sep 17#23
People seem very polarised about vacuum cleaners, which is a bit daft, as they do evolve over time. I had a DC01 at the beginning, which was pretty poor. I have a DC-in-the-20s which is pretty good. I'm sure other vacuum cleaners are available, which are equally good.
vanbling to johnmcdon
2 Sep 17#34
You need to watch this albeit different model. Speaks volumes.
1616french
1 Sep 17#24
I have £100 gift card... thinking about ordering this.
chomba
1 Sep 17#26
Heat added although I don't need one. I have a 2000w bagged Philips vacuum with 400 airwatts that I bought from Amazon Germany a couple of years ago. It's incredibly efficient and only cost £120 including delivery. I for one find Dysons ridiculously expensive, cumbersome and overrated.
Kingydaman
2 Sep 17#27
Now £199
eljmo
2 Sep 17#28
I have this model , had it for over 5 years its excellent far better than my old dyson and great for cat hair , very powerful with separate attachment for hard floors as stairs
rucer07
2 Sep 17#29
I thought we voted to leave. Why EU laws still effecting us?
thepharmacist
2 Sep 17#30
Thank you op, still available for £119, see other sellers, Amazon don't have stock at the moment estimate 2 - 4 weeks if need sooner maybe the Argos deal?, John Lewis have for £129 also then you get 2 year warranty, thought all electrical had to come with 2 years due to EU law?
punjabputer to thepharmacist
2 Sep 17#31
This is an extreme..the others arent
jonathansoanes
2 Sep 17#33
C1 is £99.95 at John Lewis. Its so powerful at full it just sticks to the carpet and you cant move it. Even at half power its a workout pushing it round. I guess that means it must be doing a good job sucking up the dirt?
Think I'll need to combine it with a less powerful everyday cordless.
g1hsg
2 Sep 17#35
As the owner of three Newfoundlands I believe I may speak with some confidence as to what works/doesn't work too well at coping with long coated dog fur. Over the years I've used three Dysons starting with DC03, Numatic Henry and Miele C2. The Henry is great with bags until about half full, it's cheap and amazingly robust. The Miele has great design, everything is well thought out and has coped with everything we can throw at it. Dysons have universally turned out to be a disappointment, all have suffered premature death in one way or another. Where do they source their plastics from - seems unusually brittle in comparison to other manufacturers. Available in nice colours according to my wife. Which is why we've had three of them.
caroline777upnorth
2 Sep 17#38
coming up as £199.95 :disappointed:
Stimpington to caroline777upnorth
2 Sep 17#40
If you can wait 2-4 weeks, order from Amazon via Other Sellers.
caroline777upnorth to Stimpington
2 Sep 17#41
Thanks
duckfat
2 Sep 17#39
Have the bagless model, great suction, so much power. Had Dyson previously which was fine but switched to Miele- cheaper and Dyson was pro-Brexit.
steveo42451
2 Sep 17#43
Why do people get so emotional over vacuum cleaners? It's absolutely bonkers.
pibpob to steveo42451
2 Sep 17#45
It's a front for their affront that these evil frogs and krauts are impinging on their civil liberties, when in fact all that's happening is that they are being protected from being eaten alive by the big business marketing machine.
pibpob
2 Sep 17#51
You can't make a kettle more efficient without breaking the laws of physics. All you can do is make sure you don't boil more water than you need.
melted to pibpob
3 Sep 17#54
As you are presumably aware. the EU did have proposals to regulate toasters and kettles, that they reportedly shelved to avoid negative press coverage:- blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECi…ay/
You can make a more efficient kettle.
The most obvious thing to do is replace the mechanical bi-metal switch that takes several seconds to react and cut the power after the kettle boils with a more rapidly reacting electronic switch and sensor.
They could save even more energy by requiring it to cut the power a few degrees below boiling point, as is often recommended for coffee, and tea bags could be re-blended to try to compensate for the lost flavour.
Insulating the case so the water cools less when it is not used straight away.
You could make kettles smaller to stop people boiling more water than they need. Ideally, if kettles held exactly 1 cup, you wouldn't waste any. If you are making two cups, you would have to boil it twice, but a larger kettle would have taken twice as long to fill and boil anyway.
Gas kettles are more efficient, because they avoid the energy losses from generating and transmitting electricity.
Far more impractical, you could use heat pump technology, or even have a kettle containing a powerful computer linked to the internet and used for distributed computing, with the waste heat, heating the water instead of an element. :smile:
pibpob to melted
3 Sep 17#55
I've already said that you should not try to boil more water than you need. The other things (jokes aside) are rather splitting hairs, because the proportion of energy saved is very small - at least in comparison with the savings that can be made on a non-heating appliance like a vacuum cleaner.
Gas kettles are not necessarily significantly more efficient, mainly because of losses in transferring the heat to the water. Search and you'll find all sorts of debate about it. Moreover, there are more possibilities for driving an electric than a gas kettle from renewable energy sources.
The (very good) link you give contradicts the claim that it was negative press coverage, and reinforces my point that it is the significance of the efficiency gains which is important.
melted to pibpob
3 Sep 17#56
Yes, I also noticed that on that site they claim that the Which? test results were in conflict because they tested different things, even though Which? stated they their results conflicted even though they'd followed the same test procedure.
1616french
3 Sep 17#59
Any owners of this particular model point me in the right direction for bags for this please?
ldee46
4 Sep 17#60
Jeezo people it's a vacuum on a deal, not an excuse to argue or slate other people views. Everyone is different and prefer different things!
ElectricalStorm
12 Sep 17#61
Ordered. Confirmaton letter: Arriving: Wednesday, September 20 - Tuesday, October 3 Actually received... September 8th (after one week)!
pibpob to ElectricalStorm
12 Sep 17#62
It's so powerful it sucked its way back through time.
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Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
Surprised you have time to post as assumed you would be to busy using your EU / underpowered hoover..
And I admire your guilibity; but thank goodness not everyone is so easily fooled..happy hoovering as you will be spending allot of time on it I think.
Past experience of Hoovers. Current Meile 2000w is twice as fast to use than our old dyson. Sorry to offend your green views.
When it comes to what sucks the most between 900w hoovers and the EU on this specific regulation I think I know who would win every time..
If a hoover doesn't appear to 'stick to teh carpet' then its normally just a sign that it has weak suction.
Rather than legistate on wattage why not just encourage maufacturers to produce the same real world suction power with lower wattage? Let the consumers decide; I for one would buy a lower wattage cleaner if it had the same real world performance; though I am highly sceptical that this possible from a hoover that does'nt cost the earth so to speak.
However, would you prefer some sort of test, or would you prefer being a slave to a marketing machine that just makes these devices more and more powerful rather than more effective? If you are suspicious about EC tests you should be terrified of manufacturers' claims!
They need to legislate on wattage because otherwise "suction power" will just be abused instead. You don't need the power of an industrial vacuum system to clean your floor, yet you will be constantly badgered into believing that you do.
However what I don't want is ;
a) a body of which we have no power deciding how long it will take me to vaccum nor
b) having to spend twice as long vaccuming due to only benig able to purchase a vaccum with significantly lower suction.
You won't have to spend twice as long vacuuming - there's no reason for the ridiculous power of many vacuum cleaners. They don't function any better. Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved?
Unless you are Donald Trump, man-made climate change is a scientific fact. We need to be more responsible about how we consume energy, and if bodies like this can give us tiny nudges in the correct direction, then we should be grateful, not resentful.
Over the years, can you honestly say that the time taken to clean your house has halved? Yes that's my whole point; the Miele is twice as fast as my Dyson - the Dyson needs two passes to get close to the Meile (even then it still can't match it).
I would be more interested in having more efficient kettles than hoovers.
Unfortunately, the bypass motors fitted in wet and dry vacuums aren't that efficient, and they usually come with highly ineffective carpet cleaning wands and tools.
They could have done the same thing with vacuum cleaners, alternatively they could have set a minimum input wattage to output airwatt ratio requirement, which would have eliminated vacuum cleaners that are inefficient, whether low or high powered.
I moved to Dyson to avoid using disposable bags. What I found is I swapped disposable bags for disposable parts / filters and time to clean all the parts that regularly get blocked. The Miele is hassle-free in comparison.
I still have a relatively new Dyson in one of my homes and I'm tempted to pass it on to someone even before it inevitably breaks in favour of another Miele.
I've found the best guide is airwatts and airflow, my current machine is 360 airwatts and is easily the best at removing dust, including dust deeply embedded into the pile of the carpet that I've used. It is also double the new EU max wattage, so when it fails it will be hard to get a worthwhile replacement.
However, I can see exactly why these controls are needed: to protect a generally scientifically illiterate public from the ruthless marketing machine. Even if you don't get so many air watts overall, I hope you get more air watts per electricity watt and that the airflow is used more wisely.
Before these rules, there were a few horribly inefficient vacuum cleaners on the market due to their poor design and inefficient motors, that were using their high power rating as a selling point yet delivered poor suction, but there were already much more efficient vacuums that used a high wattage motor to actually deliver high airwatts and more effective and faster cleaning. There's some room for improvement in motors, but I seriously doubt you'll get as good vacuums using only 900 watts.
My current vacuum at 1,800 watts is only 200 watts more than my previous model (which was still an above average suction one) yet it was something like 100 extra airwatts, and when new was exceptionally quiet due to good design. I can really appreciate the difference when I go over the carpet with a carpet washer after vacuuming, if there are no spills on the carpet, the washing water comes out clear, after vacuuming with the old one it would be grey from all the washed out dust.
The carpet cleaner is a Bissell pro-heat, it's pretty good at washing, but not quite as good at drying the carpet. It is also fairly heavy and bulky and after use needs a bit of cleaning itself or else the spinning brush is likely to get jammed up by carpet pile fluff, and it can't be stored anywhere it might freeze as there is always water trapped in the pipework and pump etc that would cause damage if it froze.
My vacuum is a bagless Samsung cylinder cleaner with a turbo brush (1,800 watt motor and 360 airwatts suction ) I think it was about £180. I'm on the look out for a replacement with at least the same amount of suction, and a similar quality wand, but I'm not optomistic about finding one.
Think I'll need to combine it with a less powerful everyday cordless.
You can make a more efficient kettle.
The most obvious thing to do is replace the mechanical bi-metal switch that takes several seconds to react and cut the power after the kettle boils with a more rapidly reacting electronic switch and sensor.
They could save even more energy by requiring it to cut the power a few degrees below boiling point, as is often recommended for coffee, and tea bags could be re-blended to try to compensate for the lost flavour.
Insulating the case so the water cools less when it is not used straight away.
You could make kettles smaller to stop people boiling more water than they need. Ideally, if kettles held exactly 1 cup, you wouldn't waste any. If you are making two cups, you would have to boil it twice, but a larger kettle would have taken twice as long to fill and boil anyway.
Gas kettles are more efficient, because they avoid the energy losses from generating and transmitting electricity.
Far more impractical, you could use heat pump technology, or even have a kettle containing a powerful computer linked to the internet and used for distributed computing, with the waste heat, heating the water instead of an element. :smile:
Gas kettles are not necessarily significantly more efficient, mainly because of losses in transferring the heat to the water. Search and you'll find all sorts of debate about it. Moreover, there are more possibilities for driving an electric than a gas kettle from renewable energy sources.
The (very good) link you give contradicts the claim that it was negative press coverage, and reinforces my point that it is the significance of the efficiency gains which is important.
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