Seems a decent price. Lowest around I can find and even more a decent price with the vega 64 already increasing.
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jordantr
16 Aug 17#1
Good price. I bought open box Gigabyte gtx 1080 xtreme waterforce for £550 two weeks ago. A bit premium price, but card won't pass 60 degrees on 45% fan settings, stay quiet at all times and boost to 2050mhz out of the box.
SavageDonkey to jordantr
16 Aug 17#30
In my quest for the perfect setup I recently tried 1080FTW and Zotac Amp Extreme 1080 both were beasts, although the Zotac is a work of art with loads of room for overclocking...
I think I have my perfect setup now but it's with a 1080ti Aorus Xtreme for £620, however these are pushing pascal to the limit with no room for overclocking.
1080's are great for gamers at the moment as they are terrible for mining so prices are dropping where the general consensus is a rise. I recently had a little mining dabble and with the 1080's memory clock wayyyyyyy up it still doesn't mine much faster than a 1060.
robodan918
16 Aug 17#2
Not sure about this aib Can anyone recommend inno3d
matt101101 to robodan918
16 Aug 17#6
Inno3D are a lower tier AIB partner, but they've been around for years; they must be doing something right.
The card might not be quite as cool or quiet as something like an ASUS Strix or MSI Gaming X, but it's considerably cheaper and will perform almost identically.
The only real downside is the 2 year warranty, versus 3 or more years from the more premium AIB partners.
Just.Wondering
16 Aug 17#3
£449 Vega price is almost fake news, considering the price was almost instantly pumped up to 549, it's the real price by stealth.
RedRain to Just.Wondering
16 Aug 17#10
On top of that the power draw as well its a same because i wanted Vega card but over a year later and just managing to match a 1080 year old tech with high tdp is a joke considering the price
MackemAB to RedRain
16 Aug 17#13
The power consumption of the Vega cards is absolutely astonishing. I think I saw 380w tested under load compared to 230w of the 1080s...
jordantr
16 Aug 17#4
Another thing. No aib cards yet, unless someone likes heater at home. I would like to see more competition, but amd need to sort out heat problems, stop using air blower design at least.
ollie87 to jordantr
16 Aug 17#7
And actually in same cases blower cards can actually run cooler, such as in mITX builds.
matt101101 to ollie87
16 Aug 17#8
The number of people, even relatively 'nerdy' people who are into computer parts, who don't understand that a 'better' cooler on a CPU or graphics card doesn't make heat magically disappear is honestly baffling. It makes me wonder about the state of the UK's education system...
delboyd to matt101101
16 Aug 17#9
Wow, two people who understand basic physics! Finally! I've been trying to convince my friends of this for years, but no dice...
ollie87 to matt101101
16 Aug 17#11
Marketing 'innit.
Sweaty nerds see RGB and massive fans and get stonking hard-ons.
jordantr to ollie87
16 Aug 17#12
That's quite obvious isn't? mITX builds usually gets lower tear card, which don't generate that much heat or gets hybrid cards or does full water cooling. Personally I can't stand seeing 70+ on GPU and 60+ on cpu if it's no furmark or cpu stress test, do everything to avoid it. Don't judged people by telling they don't understand that hot air trapped inside is no good and you need atx or better full tower PC case.
Edit. I have all that rgb shit btw.
catbeans to ollie87
16 Aug 17#15
TDP is different to the amount of heat generated and the amount of heat generated is less on cards that are cooled better, because they run the same tasks with a cooler processor. TDP. Is just the thermal limit, so yes the big fans do make difference.
ollie87 to catbeans
16 Aug 17#16
It might make the card run cooler but it'll still heat the room/the rest of your PC just the same.
And that was the point I was trying to make, albeit in a simplified meme format. That energy has to go somewhere, cooling isn't free.
catbeans to ollie87
16 Aug 17#17
You are saying no matter the cooling the same amount of heat is produced, I understand. That's not the case however, my point is abit pedantic tbh but: friction causes heat. The hotter the die the worse the PPW , the more electricity used, the hotter the PC. Whether the difference is 0.1 of a degree or 5 degrees I have no idea.
ollie87 to catbeans
16 Aug 17#20
That is one hell of a stretch. Given you've not actually presented any facts to back your claims up, I'm going to keep believing what I believe. Feel free to actually show evidence to convince me otherwise, I'm easily swayed by facts.
Also there is no such word as "abit", not unless you're talking about the now defunct motherboard manufacturer.
Seanspeed to ollie87
16 Aug 17#27
A bit of extra ambient air temp in the case is a far better situation than having components where the main processor and features are overheated. Cooler components = more performance potential and improved lifespan. Plus any decent case will have good circulation that expels that heat sufficiently for it to not be any kind of issue at all.
Kind of ironic you dont understand this basic stuff considering all your 'why doesn't everybody understand?' comments. It's not that people dont understand. It's that you're the one thinking something is an issue when it's not.
ollie87 to Seanspeed
16 Aug 17#32
CTRL + F "why doesn't everybody understand?" - Nothing found. Perhaps re-read what was said by myself.
Depends on your individual use case, that's why things like AIO watercoolers are popular in the mITX world, despite in the case of full-size ATX tower systems they struggle to compete with traditional air cooling solutions.
As I said, if you've got a tiny system in a mITX case moving the air directly out the back of the system with a blower cooler is better than using the alternatives. They have their place.
Massive tower PCs with RGB lighting and case windows is a fad that needs to die out. Small is beautiful.
Agharta to catbeans
16 Aug 17#45
CPUs and GPUs do get less efficient if the temperatures get very high whilst keeping everything else the same; clock speed and voltage. But you have to allow the temperature to get very high for it to make a significant difference and I don't think regular retail products allow temperatures that high for one reason. So better cooling is more about quieter cooling or more headroom for overclocking at sane temperatures than reducing power consumption. That's my understanding and if incorrect I'd be happy to put right.
VimesUK
16 Aug 17#5
I was hopeful that the launch of Vega might have had some effect on prices, in particular the 1080Ti. Well Vega launched and it did somewhat, vega seemed to get more expensive...!
Missed out on the 1080Ti Amazon £608 deal.
clonereeco
16 Aug 17#14
@VimesUK I'm holding out for Black Friday and hope we see some deals around that time for the TI, can't imagine Vega having that much of an impact as it tends to compete with the 1070/1080, 1080ti is still the top dog @jordantr Both AMD and Nvidia always release their first editions of the new cards with the blower design fans , give it a few months and you'll have the aftermarket ones from Asus, MSI, EVGA & Gigabyte release the regular style fan designs
Agree with you folks , the tdp of these Vega cards are a joke , Nvidia clearly doing something right , AMD cards always tend to draw more power and run hotter , guess this didn't change with VEGA
VimesUK to clonereeco
16 Aug 17#39
I would have hoped for something better to come along without needing to wait for black friday. Point taken tho and Vega hasn't given nvidia any reason to reduce its pricing.
ollie87 to VimesUK
16 Aug 17#40
Well yeah, there's not gonna magically be a card that's twice as fast for half the price.
If it's as fast as a NVIDIA card it'll cost as much.
djvivid
16 Aug 17#18
Larger fans spin slower to move the same amount of air, thus run more quiet. Larger fans can still spin faster if required to move more air.
Heat from a heat sync will transfer to atmosphere more quickly the cooler the atmosphere is, the quicker the air that can be moved the more effective a cooling system will be.
If your ambient (room) temperature is as warm as the heat sync then no heat can transfer to atmosphere, but it's very unlikely a room temperature will exceed even the lowest CPU/GPU temperatures.
it's good to imagine heat as a bubble around a surface, the closer the surface the hotter the bubble is, and that temperature will drop quicker with distance, known as the inverse square rule. For example, if you place your finger near a hot object it wont be an even rise in temperature as you get closer. You feel very little heat, then suddenly as you get close it gets warm, and then very hot with in a very short space. Fans are effectively trying to blow that hot bubble away from near the surface to allow faster transfer from the surface, to the air closest near the surface.
rev6
16 Aug 17#19
Interesting thread. Decent card cooling will take heat away from the GPU/VRM's. The case cooling should deal with that heat afterwards. If the cooling is pants, then no matter how good your case cooling is, it's still pants. The power consumption of Vega... Another subject enitrely.
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I think I have my perfect setup now but it's with a 1080ti Aorus Xtreme for £620, however these are pushing pascal to the limit with no room for overclocking.
1080's are great for gamers at the moment as they are terrible for mining so prices are dropping where the general consensus is a rise. I recently had a little mining dabble and with the 1080's memory clock wayyyyyyy up it still doesn't mine much faster than a 1060.
Can anyone recommend inno3d
The card might not be quite as cool or quiet as something like an ASUS Strix or MSI Gaming X, but it's considerably cheaper and will perform almost identically.
The only real downside is the 2 year warranty, versus 3 or more years from the more premium AIB partners.
And actually in same cases blower cards can actually run cooler, such as in mITX builds.
Sweaty nerds see RGB and massive fans and get stonking hard-ons.
Edit. I have all that rgb shit btw.
And that was the point I was trying to make, albeit in a simplified meme format. That energy has to go somewhere, cooling isn't free.
Also there is no such word as "abit", not unless you're talking about the now defunct motherboard manufacturer.
Kind of ironic you dont understand this basic stuff considering all your 'why doesn't everybody understand?' comments. It's not that people dont understand. It's that you're the one thinking something is an issue when it's not.
Depends on your individual use case, that's why things like AIO watercoolers are popular in the mITX world, despite in the case of full-size ATX tower systems they struggle to compete with traditional air cooling solutions.
As I said, if you've got a tiny system in a mITX case moving the air directly out the back of the system with a blower cooler is better than using the alternatives. They have their place.
Massive tower PCs with RGB lighting and case windows is a fad that needs to die out. Small is beautiful.
But you have to allow the temperature to get very high for it to make a significant difference and I don't think regular retail products allow temperatures that high for one reason.
So better cooling is more about quieter cooling or more headroom for overclocking at sane temperatures than reducing power consumption.
That's my understanding and if incorrect I'd be happy to put right.
Missed out on the 1080Ti Amazon £608 deal.
@jordantr Both AMD and Nvidia always release their first editions of the new cards with the blower design fans , give it a few months and you'll have the aftermarket ones from Asus, MSI, EVGA & Gigabyte release the regular style fan designs
Agree with you folks , the tdp of these Vega cards are a joke , Nvidia clearly doing something right , AMD cards always tend to draw more power and run hotter , guess this didn't change with VEGA
If it's as fast as a NVIDIA card it'll cost as much.
Heat from a heat sync will transfer to atmosphere more quickly the cooler the atmosphere is, the quicker the air that can be moved the more effective a cooling system will be.
If your ambient (room) temperature is as warm as the heat sync then no heat can transfer to atmosphere, but it's very unlikely a room temperature will exceed even the lowest CPU/GPU temperatures.
it's good to imagine heat as a bubble around a surface, the closer the surface the hotter the bubble is, and that temperature will drop quicker with distance, known as the inverse square rule. For example, if you place your finger near a hot object it wont be an even rise in temperature as you get closer. You feel very little heat, then suddenly as you get close it gets warm, and then very hot with in a very short space. Fans are effectively trying to blow that hot bubble away from near the surface to allow faster transfer from the surface, to the air closest near the surface.
The power consumption of Vega... Another subject enitrely.