YOU'RE!!!!

Rubbish!!! John Lewis sell TOTALLY UNLOCKED iPhones (and always have!!!!). UK retailers known to sell totally unlocked iPhones include Apple Stores, John Lewis and GiffGaff. Buy from any of these and worries about "locking to first network" just do not apply.

You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.

IOS

Pros

Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.

Cons

Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.

Android

Pros

Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.

Cons

App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.

I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.

I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.

Bought my daughters iPhone SE 64gb a few months ago from JL it has a giffgaff sim in it currently but we have tried other networks and it is NOT locked

That is one grim looking place. I think I'd have a chip on my shoulder if I lived there, to be totally fair to SparkleHedgehog.

Poor thing.

It's Apple iPad

p.s. !!!!

You are buying Apple product from John Lewis, it is win win situation, what could possibly go wrong?

Your right.

So impressive

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Each have flaws. Just ask the celebrity community who have icloud. Pot kettle.

I got one for the wife (good swap, eh?) from Argos when it was £375.
This followed hints that the 6 and 7 were too large.
It's been a hit, expecially the memory size.
Heat added.

Well yes because it would be more intelligent to spend more money for no decent reason when I can just let the commoners, like you, do the searching for me.

Keeps me in touch with the peasants that serve me this site

I have a deep seated and irrational hatred of Apple products;

My wife bought one of these last week - and, begrudgingly I'm slightly impressed. It's very quick, feels nice in the hand and is well built. Things I wasn't expecting to work such as importing all the contacts and calendar from a microsoft account / windows phone (lumia 650) seem to have worked fine.

She's not a technophile, but she says there are some things she prefers on the windows and some on the iphone - personally, I suspect if I ever change from windows phone (been using it for 5+ years now...) it might take me a bit longer.

Voted Hot for the good price.

People have an irrational need to defend their purchase choice...not realising they're acting as free PR for said company that doesn't give a damn once they have your money.

​clearly not that intelligent as you have to use the hot deals app to get cheap purchases like the rest of us which indicates you are on a low wage indicating a crappy job, flash PRI#K

Samsung come with great features that iOS don't have like exploding batteries and hacked os systems or apps or copy designs and apps of iOS !!! What a great phone.

You tell me how apple can compete with that as it's just a simple phone that can be jail broken on owners request and have all the features of the android phones !!

Like someone else on here, I went from a 3GS about 5 years ago and then had a 5s. Both packed up on me eventually - dropping calls, blue screening, not being recognised by itunes etc - even spent a couple of hours in an Apple store where a specialist couldn't help and the 5s was used for my business as well so that got very frustrating for a bit.
Currently using last year's Motorola G4 and it's great after a bit of getting used to after iOS. £159 from Argos, including a £10 voucher which I spent on a high speed memory card for it. On a £10 per month 30 day contract from plusnet, unlimited mins and texts and 4gb of 4G. Wish I'd got the dual SIM version but apart from that, it's a phone and I'm realisti about what I need (including money for holidays)....

No exclamation mark needed either then so how are you any different?

Looks like a good deal to me.
I wonder if this would be the phone that takes me away from the Android operating system I am used to.

you're ! (No capital letters needed)

Since You've mentioned Xiaomi, is it not equally hard to justify price premium for Samsung, LG or HTC phones?
There is no equivalent of iPhone SE in Android world, only Xperia Compact series gets pretty close, shame about last incarnation that is downgraded compared to Z5 Compact.
Also if you want Android and you're not a fan of all extra apps and skins that manufacturers are forcing upon what are the options? Answer: Pixel and Pixel XL. Still want to talk about paying premium?

iOS becomes more like Android with every release though. I know what you're saying, and I used Apple devices currently, but I'm planning the switch to Android as the benefits of Apple become less and less.

I bought one of these from JL on Black Friday - got it for £379 so was very lucky - great phone fits in my hand unlike the other bricks, super fast, 4k video, but most importantly the battery lasts for two days before I need to charge it !!! Oh and I was a Samsung user for YEARS (since the demise of the Nokia 3330 phones lol) and swore I'd never switch :smiley: Voted hot because it's still a good deal on price.

Are you people serious? £399 for that rubbish!! A fool and their money are easily parted!!

​Not a chance :smile:

Its not just about specs, ecosystem is what makes the apple system so popular. It's more user friendly too. An 85 year old can work an ipad just like a 2 year old can. Android isn't so universally simple to access for all ages. Makes a big difference

Android has plenty of great features too, no denying that but its more of a diluted OS and spec hungry to run well.

​

Hot if you want Apple. Easily the best phone they offer currently.

However it's becoming increasingly hard to justify the price premium for Apple phones. Just looks at brands like Xiaomi - excellent quality and top specs for a fraction of the cost. This is where the smart money goes.

Picked up this for £350 (well £370 with £20 apple voucher) counting the Amex rebates just before Xmas. Wonderful phone - I do hope they don't ditch the smaller form factor this year.

One thing though - looking at kooks65's comment - I would advise against 16gb. The thing takes live photos at very high resolution, etc. and everything has become that much more media rich; I've kept my work 16Gb for work and essential apps only (no games, or downloaded videos or music) and it's restrictive.

I wouldn't get anything under 64gb for myself going forward. I gave mine to Mrs Harper for her vodafone line as it supports the wifi calling and kept her 5s 64gb instead.

Yeah basic spelling errors irritate me too. Its the texting dumbing down. This feller isn't that bad of course but many are

I got the 16gb one in September from JL when the Apple Store put their prices up, I'm very happy with it, I had the 4 for about three years and only changed it because I couldn't get updates anymore, hoping this lasts me as long too :smiley:.

Please do not do the 3 sim trick with iPhones from CPW as your phone will lock to 3 and you will have a hard time convincing 3 to unlock it for you. You will be stuck if 3 refuses to unlock it as CPW don't unlock phones. Just been through that nightmare with my contract iPhone 7 plus from CPW and it took over a week for me to convince 3 to unlock it for me.
Heat added on this deal by the way.

No, we're intelligent.

A deal is a deal but ouch. £400 for a phone that's using 2 year old hardware. Fashion over function as they say.

Is it not just personal preference ?
All this in fighting about who's phone is best is a bit pointless.

I have a iPhone SE simply because I like the form factor and size, for me it's the best phone I've had and used (even tempted to buy this as a spare)

I'm sure there will be no love loss. Upgrade every five years. That's an age in high tech! A 3GS is far the Iphone of today. ..

Would love to see proof of this - all 64gb iPhone SE tariffs work out more expensive from what I can see. Plus you have the ball ache of cancelling and potentially being charged for the airtime which would then need to be claimed back.

If you are after a small form factor iPhone (not sure why people are comparing this with an s7? - it's no where near as compact) with a practical amount of storage, this appears to be the cheapest way to get one. Plus you get the 2 year warranty with JL and you're not tied into any long term contract. Have some heat!

I like the way you put both points across. Me personally I am iOS. My dad had Android, then Windows and now on iOS and he prefers iOS. I think it because he doesn't have issues with apps and everything is central for him.

I do get annoyed with the lock down of iOS but I didn't like Android that much. I may change my mind most likely as I am starting to like some Android phones.

Duh!!! Yes of course

I have a mate you has had an iPhone for a long long time and kept slating Apple. So this year she changed to an galaxy s7 and her verdict is apart from the camera she misses her iPhone. So I will leave that with you

Cheaper on O2 refresh by a long way.

Yeah, but the closed source means apple has developers by the proverbial balls. The point about updates is mentioned, but don't undercut it. Any updates you do can't be downgraded. They purposefully do this so you upgrade to keep their dwindling sales going.

It's funny you choose to make such a big con list for Android.

Apples best days are behind us

​The only thing it shares with a 5s is its size, it's internals are from the 6s

​It's a great little phone but no, not by a long shot

Hot from me, regardless of reviews, this is not a review site. Best deal for iPhone SE, that's the only criteria for a deals site.

For people who want an SE because they prefer the smaller form factor to the new phones etc, this is the deal. Can only be hot.

cold from me after reading reviews... Your text here

£375.99 at eglobalcentral
https://www.eglobalcentral.co.uk/wednesday-hot-deals.html?mobile=#/product/17736

Argos is only sim-free however and not unlocked (see page 1 for the differences)
Argos offer 1 year warranty not 2.

Congrats on the S7 ... I too was in the same boat 12 months ago.... tried to convince myself I was happy with the Samsung after years of iPhone use .... took me four months and in May I was back to Apple with an iPhone SE.
Better user interface in my opinion and it was like coming home after a holiday in an okay resort..... of to be back in my own bed and a good cuppa !

Enjoy the Samsung ... hope you continue to enjoy the experience.

hot deal

How the hell did this get 20 likes?? Have none of you ever made this simple mistake?

Yet this deal has an extra years warranty

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Also android don't release constant updates and bloat your phone. Old hardware getting new software updates? Plus no iTunes. Think ill take a leaf outta your book and jump on android ship :smiley:... Thank u

Match upto 28 days after

Same price in Argos for 64gb

We can all comment on quality of any product on HUKD, but sort of pointless. Im not going to moan about whether a carpet cleaner is good or whether, Aldi fruit special is good. Apple is by no means perfect in everything they do or how they handle customers new or old.

Finding any deal on iPhones is welcome for THOSE who want to buy one. If you dont like Apple thats all fine, just dont start putting people down for their choices.

The postiives of the SE, (im currently on an outdated iphone4) is that it has the same hardware as the 6 and 7s and is the sizing for those who want a phone that can fit on ones hand easily. The OS will continue to work on it for years to come as the 7s will still need to be able to run the future OS updates. So it has longevity on its side for now.

Battery is pretty good by Which Reviews, probably due to tthe smaller screen.

Obviosuly it will have its drawbacks as with any mobile, whether its Android etc.

The one element that makes the difference in terms of price is that you get a 2 year wrranty with JL, which is probably worth about £70 in the Apple Care world.

Just seems a bit of an incentive for those who want to get an iphone and not take their chances on ebay etc.

And its unlocked too, so great for SIM only deals.

thinks thats all from me, good night :smiley:

So average then?

Mine lasts ages from 7am this morning its on 43% now with heavy use. For a modern smartphone the majority of them you'd be lucky to get more than a day.

Anyone remember the first post-Brexit Apple price rises, we were being told it was just the start of higher gadget prices due to the Brexit £ tumble?

Surprise surprise, Apple prices start to get real again.

So is there an Android equivalent to the Apple SE, in terms of size / spec?

Thanks

Mummy let you stay till late on computer today? Poor kid.

Why don't you get a life on contract? We are PAYG people.

just came here to vote cold...oh and bitch about the price. This is not a deal, not good value for money and nothing can justify this price.
Buy a laptop for these money and don't ruin your eyes trying to see what's going on on an elongated 4 inch screen. Or if small screens is your thing, buy any other tiny phone for £100 and pocket £300, you will be better of financially and also not mugged by a company.

Wow. A level-headed, well-rounded iOS / Android comparison on HUKD. I'm going to print this post out and frame it.

What is this fantastic battery life? A day?

Yes but iPhones are generally more expensive either monthly or by upfront cost than Android phones. If you're buying phones outright then the cost is fairly similar. Recent Android phones hold their value better than they have in the past.

And yet John Lewis did and does refund the difference. Your comment winds me up!

Careful now, I said the battery life was better.

If the extra £300 for those things you have listed are worth it to you then congrats. Having owned both the battery was worse on the 7 even though it's larger and newer. This is partly down to driving the newer "faster" processor which in real world use is barely noticeable, and because of the larger screen. Which in 2017 is still not 1080p and is still the same resolution as the 5, 5s and SE but looks less sharp because the pixels are larger.

Also the camera in all my tests actually brought nothing extra to the table in day to day use. I can take great shots with the SE.

And lastly how fast does the finger print scanner need to be? I've had no issues on the SE reading my prints and have no feelings about a solid state home button. A button is button, they've never failed on me.

The waterproofing is a nice feature but in the end the 7 is not worth the extra cost, to me. Now the 7 plus is a different story......

Sounds like you got a damaged/faulty batch if you're saying iPhone 7/plus were terrible build quality. I'm not keen on iPhones at all, would never get one but if there is one thing Apple have done well with seventh iPhone it's build quality and design (though I don't approve of the headphone jack omission)

For the same price I'd rather pick up an S7 edge, but then again if youre looking at a 4 inch iPhone then anything else probably won't be a consideration anyway xD

For what it's worth I had one of these before I bought and returned one of the awful 7 AND 7 Plus models (both have equally terrible screens and build quality, apple quality control is awful) and while it's an excellent phone, it still uses the same screen as the iPhone 5, which was similarly plagued with issues. Along with loose power buttons.

Most people won't care though. The size was actually refreshing to go back to, and it made using the awesome camera quite a bit easier.

All you know at this point is speculation based on possible leaks, nothing has been confirmed yet and reviews don't exist because the phone doesn't exist yet.
Android phones don't hold their value nearly as well as Apple phones, though now that Samsung has gone down the Apple route of premium phones they're holding their value better than they used to.
The s7 Edge was a £650 phone, so you're saying it has already lost £250 in value in about 9-10 months (assuming you bought it on release)

I have an S7 Edge and love it, as it is an incredible phone, I won't be getting the S8 straight away because first I want to make sure it's not going to have any issues at launch (Note 7 anyone?) also the S7 edge is such a good phone it doesn't need to be replaced after a year, could easily see it through to 2018.

I'm very fond of the Samsung range of phones since the S7 (not so much before that), and not particularly keen on iPhones myself, though I have used an iPad for three years which I enjoyed until I moved to my Surface Pro 4, but I could never call iPhones 'junk' or 'garbage' just because I don't enjoy them as much as my own phone. What you're doing on this thread is nothing but blind fanboy behaviour. Adding absolutely nothing to the conversation and throwing the word junk around to the point it has lost all meaning. iPhone SE is a good phone, that's not something you can debate - the reviews, the specifications, the feedback and public interest all contest that. No-one is arguing it's the best phone on the market, and if some people prefer it to an S7 they've every right to.

This, winds me up....

Would you ask if the price had increased by £30?

Love mine, great phone.

I had one BNIB to sell no one wants them. I had to shift it for £200.

You choose to overlook at least three key iPhone benefits.
1. Hold their value much better than android phones, so cost of ownership is lower
2. Usually ahead of the game when it comes to integration with things like cars
3. Apps generally better tested and less like to conceal malware

The cons you list for iPhone are of little consequence to most users.

Don't get me wrong. There's a lot I dislike about Apple and iPhones. But, having owned several android phones and several iPhones, I'll stick with iPhone for the foreseeable future.

How is this still expensive? It's basically the 5S with a better camera and is a bit faster. Just get a 7 or 7 plus on contract

Its not much better than an iPhone 7 where did you get that info from. The 7 has just as good battery life, a better fingerprint sensor and solid state home button which feels so much better than the older generation apple devices, better cameras, bigger and better screen, 3D Touch, Faster with an A10/M10 instead of the A9/M9 and its Water Resistant. So I fail to see how its better than an iPhone 7. I had the SE and its a great phone but its not a patch on my 7.

P9 lite beats this in every aspect except size (IE if you want smaller phone).

what am i missing here, i know its a savings of £30, and you get an extra year warranty which in itself is a good deal, but is it 400 degrees hot?

Brilliant phone. I gave my iphone 6 away for it. No major software bugs and most importantly doesn't throw itself out my pocket or from my hand and onto the floor at every opportunity smashing the glass!! :laughing:

great price for an amazing phone.
really powerful and runs buttery smooth.
as long as you prefer smaller phones, this is the best you can get.

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se-7969.php
Save £30 until 09.03.17 (saving applied to price)

Flash little boy aren't you

Thank you, contacted them and they have refunded £30.

I see that I'm just sick of everybody on every phone thread on here including for the Chinese junk.slagging off the s7 and stating every phone that's posted is better or quicker than the s7.its total junk I understand that this website has a big Apple following and also dislikes Samsung.im just putting my opinion.

Now this funny. I'm certain in your head you think by flying the s7 flag you will convert people from iOS devices. You know, on a deal thread for an iPhone. Not an s7, nothing to do with Android here.

Imagine that, a world where your not the centre of it and you have to make an appointment. What a hardship, at least there are many other phone manufacturer shops on the high street who can deal with product issues and replacements same day........

Many thanks OP.

Missus was looking for a replacement for her old iPhone 4.

Such a great phone. Got an SE 64GB recently and I absolutely love it. Had an S4 Mini before and it was ok but I am never going back to Android anytime soon. Great battery life and a little power house in terms of performance.

​iPhone 3g and iPhone 3gs

Thanks for the reply. I've had a lot of different phones and this is far from junk, but then you know that don't you...

Very tempting. Got a 5S at the moment and find the size about right (no real reason to have a bigger screen, phones should be compact anyway) but find the battery life and 16gb capacity are very limiting.

​get a life

I've told my eldest daughter I'll get her an iPhone in the next month or so. May go for this. A lot of younger people are starting to prefer something like this, decent power and great camera performance in a small chassis. By no means am I an Apple fan (Windows Phone FTW....) but I can appreciate they fill a pretty substantial niche. Heated.

Price reduction could be if a new SE is on the way?
Not many rumours out there but Apple normally refresh other iPhone models each year, the SE came out in March 2016 so you never know there might be a new model due this March so reductions on out going models are happening now?
Or I could be talking rubbish!
For anyone wanting an SE 64GB unlocked today, this is a hot deal!

Like your grammar

Your dole office

What you saying is meaningless unless you supply a list of phones you've ever had.

And yet you still moan.

Does anybody know what are the chances of a new iPhone release in the end of March to replace this?

I know quite a lot about it because I read reviews that's how I know about Samsung releasing an s8 and an s8 pro.ofcourse these are all rumours and leaked reports at the minute.whatever happens as you rightly put I am a Samsung groupie and I will be buying the next model.i also have the luxury because Samsung phones hold there value brilliantly.selling my s7 edge for around 400pounds which will contribute to the cost.

Fair enough, but you're as bad as the iPhone sheep there, as you've decided to buy the S8 without knowing anything about it - what if it's turd?

​no way.

I actually own a lot of tech and I buy the phones cash as I will be when the s8 pro is released in the first quarter.as many on here I'm sick of people comparing crappy apple phones to the s7 even the s4 would outscore most decent apple phones.get a life get out and stop replying to my posts with utter useless gunk

That post tells me that you are the proud owner of an S7, but that is pretty much the only thing you own.

If you ring them they should refund the difference

Great thing about these threads it is helps me to identify people to ignore

Anyway, as per what the whole site is about - it's a good saving on the normal RRP with a decent retailer that offers a good 2 year warranty. Voted hot.

If this is the best phone you've ever had you obviously haven't had any decent phones then.this is junk for the price

Yes millions do pay as they do for Samsung and as regarding userbility I've had Samsung right through the range never read a leaflet or instructions just turn on and go.this debate will no doubt go on for years.but spec wise etc etc as already stated the s7 s7 edge stacks up top in nearly all reviews.check some out on google

Cold, not an etc etc

What some people fail to realise is that some folk are happy to pay a premium for an iPhone, as they're user friendly and, as I already have one, I don't have to figure out how to operate a Samsung or whatever. You call them overpriced, but they're not, as millions of people pay the price.

Thanks for posting, OP. My iPhone 5 is starting to creak, so will go for this.

Will people on this forum stop comparing every phone posted and stating that there better than the s7.look at all the reviews all the spec quite simply the s7 is the best phone on the market period.its the sexiest phone at least the edge is.the fastest most reliable.you people keep buying apple products paying through the roof have 3 model updates a year.i wouldn't touch any apple products.i know Samsung are in the high price product and there's a reason for that because your paying for quality.do some research read some reviews and you'll see how the s7 s7egde stacks up against all phones including the ridiculously overpriced pixel phone.

And I'd like to point out that you would have a great argument there - if the iPhone was priced like a dual core/2gb device.

FAIL.

Not a bad deal...seeing as Apple are selling this at £429. Heat added :wink:

No, pretty sure that didn't happen.

Bought this on Monday from John Lewis for £429 :neutral_face: Will they price match it I wonder?

Best phone I've ever had

​yeh....we used 3 for that exact same reason (free unlocking) :wink:

Well that only matters if you have an old phone, at some point all hardware stops getting updates. You can't knock Apple for their update policy though, they really do have an excellent update policy. They support Macbooks, iPhones and iMacs for literally years. You'll get updates on Apple hardware for a lot longer than most Android hardware. The notable exceptions are Google's own brands Nexus and Pixel. In general Android phones are poorly supported, take my Galaxy S6 (please do it's crap) for example, one major OS update a year after release and cited for another major OS release, but again 8 months or so after the OS has been released.

Motorola are fairly good for updates, this is something that Android needs to improve on in general. I really don't fancy getting a Galaxy S8 it'll be on 7.1.1 and by the time 8.x is out, Google will have it out on their phones immediately, whilst Samsung will just do the usual and let you wait for months. You could argue it's because Samsung customise their phones with Touchwiz and need time to adapt the new Android OS, well it's a big downside of owning a Samsung phone.

I apologise to disturb this gathering of Apple losers that can't afford a proper phone and have to "decorate" themselves with this junk.

There is so much lolz in your post, but I'm going to bite anyway....

The link you showed for benchmark results is only one test: 3DMarks and furthermore is relying on users submitting the test results. Surely you'd want to post results of various tests stressing the CPU/RAM/GPU? I'm curious how other tests are rigged for Apple like your claim? They have hardware, they run a test, they post the results. Are they overclocking the Apple hardware to make it better?

I'd also like to point out that we're comparing phones where one has a Dual-Core processor compared to an Octa-Core and one has 2GB RAM compared to 4GB RAM and there's actually a debate of which one is faster.....

I also lol'ed at your comment regarding screen size. I remember not long ago that a 4" screen was considered too big by many. How times have changed and especially how perception of self respect has changed!

Except when you turn up at a store with a broken phone you have to make an appointment. I've seen people turn up at 11:30 on a sunday and told next appointment 14:00 on Tuesday. Now that's crap.

why is there always one on an apple thread, just move on, please :disappointed:

They don't want to run iOS......

Very well spotted. Where would you like YOUR medal delivering to?

No it isn't faster than S7. It is much slower. http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile

S7 is seventh
SE is 28th

Also SE is an absolute rubbish with a tiny screen. People who have no self respect buy it.

Zuk Z2 for £135 is a much better phone with better build quality albeit a slightly worse camera here http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-zuk-z2-5-0-inch-4gb-ram-64gb-rom-snapdragon-820-2-15ghz-quad-core-4g-smartphone-2597715

The tests you talking about are rigged for Apple and dont mean anything, as they are CPU tests. All CPU are relatively fast even chinese 8-10 core ones. Or budget platforms. It's the GPU that makes difference.

Maybe, but last time I checked the S7 doesn't run iOS.

​boring and sad

Well, you could say that of all manufactuers. My LG phone broke and was sent back to them and fixed within the week. Admittedly, Apple have good but limited customer service and considering the premium you are expected to pay, it doesn't seem quite equitable.

Well a LOT of people buy Apple products due to the fact that, no matter where you buy the phone, Apple themselves provide immediate warranty replacements or repairs within the first year (and it generally IS immediate - no waiting or sending away or returning through the retailer!)

Beyond that they generally still go the extra mile - The official warranty actually says the following - Apple Stores seem, in practice, not to argue during the second year.

When you purchase Apple hardware products, you will also receive coverage from the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty. This coverage operates alongside and in addition to your statutory rights under UK consumer law.

According to their website they offer a 1 year limited warranty only: http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

Warranties by other manufacturers here: http://selfhelp.carphonewarehouse.com/SelfHelp/request.do?view()=c{79ae2a80-f9f3-11de-da00-000000000000}

I'd say Samsung are just as guilty as Apple recently in their yearly upgrades not offering massive leaps over the previous version. In actual fact Samsung have been taking away features which kept them apart from Apple (removable battery as an example) and let's not mention the rushing of the Note 7 release.....

If you start comparing specs on paper between iPhone's and Android phones the iPhone will always look worse. You need to factor in iOS vs Android. iPhone's with iOS regularly outperform Android phones in benchmark tests because the operating system uses its processor and RAM much better. So even if it has half the RAM it's able to perform better than an Android with twice as much. Also as Apple make their own processors, how do you compare them fairly? I can only think with benchmarks and that's where they often shine.

I'll second that mines from Argos & had several different sims in, never locked! Great price for what I think is a fantastic phone. Battery life is brilliant I only charge mine every other day, the size is great if you actually want to put this in your pocket or handbag. Voted hot!

I was talking about battery life which is pish poor on the 6, 6s and 7. But as far as I'm concerned the SE is better value all round over the over priced 7 which in real work use has very little over it. Thanks for sharing :man:

Do they? I have only come across one year on a large range of phones.

Anyway John Lewis ARE 2 years. As are Apple Stores (who provide the second year as a "Sale of Goods" extension)

I'd say one of the biggest knocks against it is the measly and miserly 1 year guarantee, where most other phone manufacturers give 2 years as standard.

Also, every app doesn't work on every device as certain ones specify certain fw version which some iphones can't update to.

That's great then, I've read conflicting posts.

Heat from me for the price on this, I'm still using a 5C, very tempted to get it but think I'm gonna wait for a better deal on a 7, I really like how they look plus it's a better upgrade.

The SE is still faster than the S7. S7 might have more half baked features and better hardware but on performance in apps or games, it's behind the SE.

Thats carphonewarehouse as they sell "sim free" i think argos do too so they will get locked to the first sim but i got around that by putting in a 3 sim and once it got locked went onto the 3 site and got it unlocked for free...this one however says "unlocked" so as soon as you connect it to itunes you should get the " congratulations your iphone is unlocked" message

It's definitely correct, I'll expand on what I mean, if you use IOS and you get an app from the app store it'll work on your device. Now if you get an app on Android on your phone there's definitely ones that have issues on Tablets due to the varying screen size and resolution, this simply can't happen on IOS. Another example are Android TV boxes plenty of apps on those will run in phone portrait mode because the system is a bodged phone OS and you can't easily or not at all get them to run widescreen as they should. So I'm correct I just possibly didn't give enough information as to what I meant.

That is incorrect. I am using Android phones for many many years. Never had even one issue of app incompatibility. If you buy Nexus/Google android device your phone always has the latest OS.

Giffgaff price £419, so HOT.

You'd have to evaluate the pros and cons of each system.

IOS

Pros

Closed system, regularly updated, every app works on every device. Hardware/software optimisation excellent, but see also cons for why this isn't always great.

Cons

Customisation simply doesn't exist in comparison to Android. Squeezing one too many OS updates out on to older hardware effectively crippling the performance. Hardware can be lacking in comparison to the best Android hardware.

Android

Pros

Open source system, customisation is as good as it gets on any mobile OS.

Cons

App incompatibility between devices, due to the nature of Android having to run on multiple differing hardware configurations. Extremely poor updates again due to differing versions of hardware and the Android OS itself. Android can be and often is a clumsy buggy crippling mess of a system.

I use Android I couldn't change to IOS because I love the customisation aspect of Android which is impossible even with jail breaking on IOS, there's a lot I hate about Android as well which makes me tempted to go to IOS but I can't. This is not to say IOS is bad is certainly isn't, it has features which are not currently possible on Android and probably never will be, which are the hardware/software optimisation to the very few devices IOS needs to run on and app compatability for the same reason.

I see Android as a bodged OS, but a very useful bodged OS. I see Apple as a professional system but you use it how Apple specify and not the other way round.

I read it as having better battery life than the 7. Which a lot of websites agree with.

Yes thats how i activate mine over wifi, a lot of people still like the official confirmation its unlocked by seeing that message, either way is cool i guess, the "sim invalid" mesaage when the phone gets locked is a heartbreaKer lol

Having used an iPhone 3gs, 5s for years I switched to a galaxy s7 recently and probably won't be going back. I like how the iPhone works but just can't get over the fact that they upgrade the phone the bare minimum in terms of hardware with each new release, yet expect people to pay the full inflated price each time.

Look at the display, processor, amount of ram in this SE model. It's years behind the Galaxy S7 yet it's still expensive at £400.

The ones from JL are truly 'unlocked' - these don't lock with the first sim, they stay unlocked apparently, whereas Argos do lock to the first sim. I remember the big debate when they were on offer before Xmas at £379 and people were ringing JL to pricematch, they refused for myself and a few others for that very reason.

You don't even have to do that these days! iPhones are now designed to "activate" by contacting Apple over WiFi (or mobile data?). The John Lewis supplied ones are exactly the same as those sold in Apple Stores in that they are fully SIM-free after the initial activation

Rubbish!!! John Lewis sell TOTALLY UNLOCKED iPhones (and always have!!!!). UK retailers known to sell totally unlocked iPhones include Apple Stores, John Lewis and GiffGaff. Buy from any of these and worries about "locking to first network" just do not apply.

one way of getting a cheap iphone is through the o2 refresh on their refurb phones which are returns, you can get them with nearly a full Apple warranty. This is a very hot deal as it even beats the o2 prices and of course they are brand new.

YOU'RE!!!!

Good price and from JL :smiley:

Bought my daughters iPhone SE 64gb a few months ago from JL it has a giffgaff sim in it currently but we have tried other networks and it is NOT locked

​this is the case I'm afraid so make sure your happy with the first sim that's used

I got my son 1 of these sim free from carphone warehouse when it first came out....all though it's "sim free" I was informed that it would be locked the the first sim card you put into it....not sure if this is the case with all of them....but might be worth checking first....excellent phone though :smiley:

is it better then a samsung s7?

Fantastic phone. Basically a 6s in a smaller body. Fantastic battery life, much better than 7.