That 'obsolete' tech you refer to has far more going for it than edge or backlit LCD whether it be a 1080p or 4K panel. LED Edge or backlit LCD still struggles to rival the picture quality that Plasma provides in both SD and HD...hence why the true successor to such 'obsolete' tech is in OLED or to a lesser extent the replacement to crap LED backlit LCDs with nanocrystals.
I am certain my 'obsolete' Plasma only bought last year will quite happily serve me well instead of rushing into buying into tech that is not there or for that matter little in the way of content to afford such panel resolutions.
Terrestrial cannot offer 4K transmissions, Netflix and BT so called 4K transmissions are at too low a bit rate to provide anything other than a marginal improvement over 1080p Blu Ray quality...and as for true 4K transmissions you are stuck with a physical format of a £400 4K Blu Ray Player and expensive and small selection of titles.
Quite happy to let the market mature first and stick to a good quality picture on what I have got.
3guesses to actress
22 Apr 169#3
Yes, thank God! A real deal-breaker.
cicobuff to jouster
22 Apr 168#19
Speaking of which I have just this second had an email from Richer Sounds telling me 4K Blu Ray has arrived...they are selling a Panasonic DMPUB900 for a whopping £599.
I am amazed how sucked in the general public actually are. First it was 'LED TVs' leading many astray...admittedly it does offer better contrast and if backlit less cloud blooming than CCFL LCD, but a lot of people actually fell for the LED buzzword not realising there was no difference with the panel being still LCD.
Now there are many out there 'upgrading' into cheap 4K without even actually looking out there at what is available for it. Admittedly anyone that has a TV on the way out is just as wise in buying a cheap 4K LED edge/backlit as they were when they bought their existing 1080P sets...but there are many 'upgrading' without good reason or research. And a true 'futureproof' upgrade really would be in either OLED or nanocrystal...both expensive, and once again still little in content above 1080P.
The infrastructure is not there for terrestrial via satellite decoding or DVB-T for 4K transmissions, and the UK lags behind many a European country for broadband particularly in rural/semi-rural areas for streaming such high resolution transmissions even with the improved handling of compression with H.265 codec.
On one hand even with 1080P people are quite dismissive of physical media even though Blu Ray offers better quality in uncompressed audio and better video quality than current Netflix. Yet ironically those happy to sacrifice picture and sound quality want better with 4K and will not be getting it unless they buy into such 4K physical media, as and when as you say the studios actually start knocking out true 4K content.
Consumers are oddly ready for 4K, the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the banks knocking out cheap LED lit 4K TVs whilst investing the money into nanocrystal tech...whilst content providers are simply not ready be it through lack of content and current technological constraints.
I prefer to sit at the sideline right now, laughing at the foolish.
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actress
22 Apr 1613#1
& HDMI cable! Brilliant!
3guesses to actress
22 Apr 169#3
Yes, thank God! A real deal-breaker.
andysmoore
22 Apr 16#2
I have the 55 inch version of this. It's a good TV. Although, SD telly looks a bit rubbish.
reckoning to andysmoore
22 Apr 162#17
I've read a lot of reviews and apparently the only bad thing about the TV is the 4k upscaling causes issues with blurays/PS4 etc. Which is a shame. But explains why it's on offer most places I've seen it.
morrig
22 Apr 161#4
The quality of SD on most channels is generally rubbish no matter what size tv.Only watch Sky news and the Gadget show in SD now.
eslick to morrig
22 Apr 164#5
nothing wrong with them on our 10 year plus Samsung or a 1 year old smaller Samsung we have
snoopy18 to morrig
22 Apr 165#6
Not true, looks great on my panny plasma still
MojoMan0427
22 Apr 162#7
Obviously it goes without saying that SD pictures look better on smaller TVs and obsolete Plasmas. Seriously?
eslick to MojoMan0427
22 Apr 162#8
Not that obvious, at least two people didn't think it is, might not have a new big tv but have seen plenty of them in SD and not seen any issues, ever thought it could be your TV.
jouster to MojoMan0427
22 Apr 166#10
Not so sure obsolete is the right word.
My 7 year old calibrated Kuro 60 incher is still amazing and blows most TVs out of the water including 4K sets that have little or no true 4K media available yet
abigsmurf to MojoMan0427
22 Apr 162#11
There are big difference in the quality of upscaling in TVs, needs to be done through hardware and the choice and strength of filters they use can make a big difference.
cicobuff to MojoMan0427
22 Apr 1613#15
That 'obsolete' tech you refer to has far more going for it than edge or backlit LCD whether it be a 1080p or 4K panel. LED Edge or backlit LCD still struggles to rival the picture quality that Plasma provides in both SD and HD...hence why the true successor to such 'obsolete' tech is in OLED or to a lesser extent the replacement to crap LED backlit LCDs with nanocrystals.
I am certain my 'obsolete' Plasma only bought last year will quite happily serve me well instead of rushing into buying into tech that is not there or for that matter little in the way of content to afford such panel resolutions.
Terrestrial cannot offer 4K transmissions, Netflix and BT so called 4K transmissions are at too low a bit rate to provide anything other than a marginal improvement over 1080p Blu Ray quality...and as for true 4K transmissions you are stuck with a physical format of a £400 4K Blu Ray Player and expensive and small selection of titles.
Quite happy to let the market mature first and stick to a good quality picture on what I have got.
snoopy18 to MojoMan0427
22 Apr 16#31
I was disagreeing with the sweeping statement about the quality of sd channels looking rubbish on All tvs
Not sure what you are trying to say
moonkala
22 Apr 16#9
SD channels in sky looks fine on this 60 inch, 720 and 1080 looks like HD, Need adjustments to colour, brightness and backlight. Blacks are reasonably good on this.
evilhomeruk
22 Apr 162#12
The five year warranty is only valid if you continue to pay to be a Costco member for the five year spell. Not a biggie for some, but worth bearing in mind.
mivanpy to evilhomeruk
22 Apr 16#28
I'm not been arsey but I'm not so sure that's right.
Flyingzard
22 Apr 162#13
Plus you have the added bonus of probably not needing your heating on at the same time :P
jouster
22 Apr 162#14
You're right there it does give off some heat...but as I sit 13 foot back from it I definitely cant feel it...and my solar generation far offsets any extra cost I incur, which is negligible.
Picture quality is amazing and only OLED beats it right now and certainly not a £900 mid range LG 4K TV
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I am certain my 'obsolete' Plasma only bought last year will quite happily serve me well instead of rushing into buying into tech that is not there or for that matter little in the way of content to afford such panel resolutions.
Terrestrial cannot offer 4K transmissions, Netflix and BT so called 4K transmissions are at too low a bit rate to provide anything other than a marginal improvement over 1080p Blu Ray quality...and as for true 4K transmissions you are stuck with a physical format of a £400 4K Blu Ray Player and expensive and small selection of titles.
Quite happy to let the market mature first and stick to a good quality picture on what I have got.
I am amazed how sucked in the general public actually are. First it was 'LED TVs' leading many astray...admittedly it does offer better contrast and if backlit less cloud blooming than CCFL LCD, but a lot of people actually fell for the LED buzzword not realising there was no difference with the panel being still LCD.
Now there are many out there 'upgrading' into cheap 4K without even actually looking out there at what is available for it. Admittedly anyone that has a TV on the way out is just as wise in buying a cheap 4K LED edge/backlit as they were when they bought their existing 1080P sets...but there are many 'upgrading' without good reason or research. And a true 'futureproof' upgrade really would be in either OLED or nanocrystal...both expensive, and once again still little in content above 1080P.
The infrastructure is not there for terrestrial via satellite decoding or DVB-T for 4K transmissions, and the UK lags behind many a European country for broadband particularly in rural/semi-rural areas for streaming such high resolution transmissions even with the improved handling of compression with H.265 codec.
On one hand even with 1080P people are quite dismissive of physical media even though Blu Ray offers better quality in uncompressed audio and better video quality than current Netflix. Yet ironically those happy to sacrifice picture and sound quality want better with 4K and will not be getting it unless they buy into such 4K physical media, as and when as you say the studios actually start knocking out true 4K content.
Consumers are oddly ready for 4K, the manufacturers are laughing all the way to the banks knocking out cheap LED lit 4K TVs whilst investing the money into nanocrystal tech...whilst content providers are simply not ready be it through lack of content and current technological constraints.
I prefer to sit at the sideline right now, laughing at the foolish.
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My 7 year old calibrated Kuro 60 incher is still amazing and blows most TVs out of the water including 4K sets that have little or no true 4K media available yet
I am certain my 'obsolete' Plasma only bought last year will quite happily serve me well instead of rushing into buying into tech that is not there or for that matter little in the way of content to afford such panel resolutions.
Terrestrial cannot offer 4K transmissions, Netflix and BT so called 4K transmissions are at too low a bit rate to provide anything other than a marginal improvement over 1080p Blu Ray quality...and as for true 4K transmissions you are stuck with a physical format of a £400 4K Blu Ray Player and expensive and small selection of titles.
Quite happy to let the market mature first and stick to a good quality picture on what I have got.
Not sure what you are trying to say
Picture quality is amazing and only OLED beats it right now and certainly not a £900 mid range LG 4K TV