My m7 was better value when I bought it before Christmas

​nope, just most people are mad, brcause they can't see as far in the dark as the folks with decent torches.

25 quid for a torch, is everone mad??

Here is the link:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/330416

He's closed for a few days so just check back when he reopens.

You can buy Convoy from other places incl Banggood and Gearbest but fake Convoys exist so imo it's safer to buy from Simon.

Regarding which to buy, a lot of it comes down to preference etc but you're best to go to a dedicated flashlight discussion and they could go into depth on the differences.

which would be recommended as a bike light.

im after a zoomable one, shame the crelant isn't.

We're still talking about rather circumstantial evidence here, I think - particularly given that Amazon will refund on a Marketplace item if it proves to be fake.

It may theoretically be possible to get a fake direct from Amazon - but the chances of that happening are probably lower than getting one from John Lewis, and of all the online retailers around Amazon are in about the best possible position to deal only with reputable suppliers and check out what they get.

They do refund marketplace purchases via their A to Z guarantee.
Also, if it's fulfilled by Amazon, they will refund normally and treat it like a normal Amazon purchase.

"Based on what I've been told it looks like the battery supplied direct by Amazon was a fake"

From reply to comment further down "I bought it from Amazon themselves. As you say lots of counterfeits out there which is why I avoided marketplace sellers - not that I'm saying they are all dodgy!

I assumed that buying from Amazon themselves it would be genuine."
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/customer-reviews/RLUY01ZE81NM7/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B003NJVY14

The clue in the LED lenser it was Amazon who sold the fake is that they said they contacted Amazon who refunded them. They don't refund marketplace purchases.

Amazon HAVE and DO sell fakes. But at least it's easy to get a refund off them.

http://www.dx.com/p/e17-cree-xm-l-t6-900lm-5-mode-memory-white-led-zoomable-flashlight-w-bike-mount-black-337870#.VqiashCnyiM

If anyone wants a cheap decently bright torch, I would recommend this. Please note though, mine only has 1 mode, not the 5 described, still, can't go wrong for £7.

Hi

I've used aliexpress a number of times now the 3-4 week wait is no problem as long as the over £15 UK duty doesn't come into play.

Could you provide a link for Simon's Shenzhen Convoy Ltd store, for the life of me I can't find it, looked everywhere on aliexpress.

Are they relocating - http://ru.aliexpress.com/store/330416 ? I can wait till they have moved as they are trusted.

Also is the C8 the one to go out of the C8, S3 & S2+ and which are the best batteries for this model? (I used amazon prime)

thank also to 'voodoo board' too.

cheers

If you want something good in the £10-20 range I would go with a Convoy. You can buy direct from them on Aliexpress so no worries of fakery. Look for Simon's store, Shenzhen Convoy Ltd.

Fakery is a huge problem with flashlights. There are many Chinese brand flashlights that are well-made, but as soon as they become popular, they are immediately cloned. Even Cree LEDs themselves are being cloned.

My girl gets 5% off a lot of items with Amazon student.

Thanks ordered, got it for £24.00

Heat added, can someone recommended a small torch which can fit in the hand say about 5 inches long. Preferably one woth a rechargeable battery.Thanks!

Is it not true that the best torches use 'D' batteries?

Interesting point you've made here. I bought one for £47.87 October 2014 (more fool me price wise) but I thought it was brilliant. Saved me a few times. I have noticed recently though that it doesn't maintain its brightness, like you say.

Is this a battery problem? (I use B&M manager special duracell)

Is it age, or something else like the bulb?.

How does this not 'having unregulated output' work is it all to do with the batteries depleting.

Also why are AAA batteries a problem? aren't they just smaller than AA so making the device lighter/smaller?

I live in the country so I rely very heavily on this sort of thing (its very dark at night here!).

Thanks in advance.

If you used it at full power, but 6 different brightness levels also mean that the battery can last longer than the LED Lenser.

But what you can't tell from the review is whether it came from a Marketplace seller - which it will have done.

Amazon DO unfortunately, though it's far more commonplace with their Marketplace sellers.

"A most impressive torch. Not the cheapest but if you want a well made, compact, brilliantly bright torch this is it. This is what I wrote initially but after a problem with the lanyard the manufacturers tell me it is a fake. Amazon say they have refunded the item but sadly they couldn't guarantee to provide a genuine article!!"
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/customer-reviews/RV5ZC3TOX6C0F/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00F9ZH4O6

Led Lenser used to be one of the best brands, but now they're really falling behind the competion. 320 Lumens compared to the Fenix PD35 around the same normal price is 1000 lumens !

guarantee these are fake. direct from the manufacturer on their December deal price with VAT comes to £27.45... no way is someone selling these at a loss with free delivery....

Honestly wouldn't bother with something like this. The original price is a joke when for £29.99 the Auraglow G194 is available. Fantastic torch with incredible output.

25 quid for a torch, is everone mad??

Nitecore EA41 (up to 1020 on bost) or Thrunite TN4A - both take 3 aaa and very bright plus small. I have the EA4 - its a good torch - non adjustable beam though

I was just about to say the same thing myself. These people that receive stuff for free or heavily discounted are very unlikely to provide a 1 star review because they'll be blacklisted for future free stuff! Plus they'll all review it as soon as they receive it, not exactly good 3 weeks down the line when the switch has broken after being turned on and off 30 times!

I recommend anything that has an artful photo of the torch laying beside a gun/knife on the manufacturer webpage. That's how you know it's a good torch for James Bond types.

Good call.
Personally i use the Olight SR52 torch and it is great for walking my dogs in thetford forest .
Lights up the whole track for hundreds of metres ahead.(1200 lumens and 588m beam)
USB rechargeable as well but does cost around £160 so depends what you want to pay and what you need it for.
Use mine every night autumn/winter so well worth it.

And don't believe the lumen output of some of the cheap and nasty efforts from ebay etc .

I must have a faulty one,as mine is terrible for batteries,only lasting 40 mins max.No good when working nights, it's cheaper to run a small car!

Will I be more tactical with this? Can anyone recommend me a tactical pen to go with it?

maybe the manual will help "in case you changed to the Constant Current Mode the flashlight indicates this by starting bright and turning off suddenly after 3 seconds. "

Lol, "genuine" and "Amazon" in the same sentence. Amazon are well known for marketplace sellers selling fakes, that particular torch is being sold only by marketplace sellers based in China, and even Amazon have been known to sell fakes themselves (just look at the 1* reviews for this LED Lenser) - but at least it's not difficult to get your money back.

A lot of people have heard of Lenser (a bit like the old Maglite) but times have moved on, personally I prefer one like the Crelant V6CS. Extremely well made, fully regulated, 1x18650 (or 3xAAA), Waterproof and has infinitely variable brightness adjust from 0 to full brightness. Oh and £10 less than the Lenser. Oh and 710 Lumen (ISO). Oh and has candle mode and hidden strobe/SOS modes.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?355505-Crelant-V6CS-Review

Can't be that much better than the Aldi/Lidl CREE torches?!

Yep sorry AA's. They are thick but short & powerfull.

Depends what warehouse, usually China so you're talking ~2 Weeks. OK if you're not in a rush.

We use the various LED lenser torches at work and myself and the other tech's love them, all of them have had a hard life and agree that the light output takes some beating for sure !

I have a led lenser P14 and it has lasted well; that's one thing for led lensers over the cheaper torches they last longer (I have gone though 2 cheaper ones off ebay - great whilst they work but then they stop for no apparent reason) so to me this is a good deal.

Great, might buy another. I have three LED Lenser torches already, but I also have two kids so can never find the bloody things. They are fantastic torches, kid proof and very bright.

how long does stuff take to arrive from gearbest?

I love this torch. Its a beast.

Sorry GearBest - CRELANT V6CS CREE XM L2 4300K 960Lm Waterproof LED Flashlight - NEUTRAL WHITE LIGHT

The only thing I'm not keen on is the lack of big holes in the body to attach the supplied decent lanyard, but you can get round that with a couple of small black cable ties (one round the torch body, one joining this cable tie to the lanyard)

Don't bother with Flubit.

It tracked the £25.99 price "Price you found: £25.99 + free postage "

Then came back with "We're saving you £2.96 Final Price: £32.53"

Agreed. I've not tested it, but I'd be surprised if it can really manage 30 minutes at full blast.

The low mode is 10 lumens - still quite usable for most "nearby" situations and it should certainly last several hours on that.

You could always carry a spare battery, it takes 10180 lithium ion batteries which are pretty cheap.

ordered.thanks.hot

nice... 140lumens for 30hours! :smirk::laughing:
seems cool though, 30 mins? even that seems quite high

There a clearly a number of reviews on Amazon where the torch has been provided free or at a discount for a review to be posted. However, most clearly state that, so I don't consider those fake, and there are clearly others that are reviews from genuine purchasers. That said, I own a Thorfire C8S torch, I have had it for 6 months, used on a daily basis, it's been dropped from height, got wet, been knocked about and it's still going strong and it's as solid and capable as the day I purchased it. It has outperformed ( in Lumens / Brightness / Modes) the LED Lenser T7 that it replaced. The only thing I miss from the Lenser is the adjustable beam, other than that it is in my opinion a more than adequate LED torch for everyday use. It does require an 18650 rechargeable battery, and that will not be to everyones taste / preference.

Troll comments. Thorfire are a decent brand and the C8 along with Convoy's C8 torch are way better torches than the P7.2 for half the money.

Costco sell 2* 750 lumen torches that include 3 duracell batteries for £20.

at this price these are not to bad a buy. they are no bargain though. For people who can't cope with 18650 batteries though they are probably the way to go. Be aware though that in torch terms these are years out of date and very unsophisticated.

Hi, not OP, but was just checked out that torch you suggested, but Fakespot thinks it's most likely to be full of fake reviews. The 60 purchasers you mentioned were quite likely to have been given the torches in exchange for 5* reviews.
http://fakespot.com/product/thorfire-c8s-led-torch-flashlight-cree-xm-l2-led-torch-best-c8-light-ever-for-cycling-biking-camping-hiking-hunting

I wouldn't trust those reviews TBH.
It might be good, but I think the OP is better (albeit £10 more).

Good price - not the brightest torch around but certainly a hot price!

it just seemed low compared to others for far less that seem to have a T6

​sorry! "can anyone explain". big thumbs...and poor eyes :confused:

So I guess the x 60 qty 4/5 Star reviewers on Amazon have all got it wrong ... .?

Also independent reviews say it's a good value, multi function / mode torch for the money paid.

https://www.reddit.com/r/flashlight/comments/3eaflp/thorfire_c8s_review/

There are £5 knock off / copies around, but if you get a genuine Thorfire, ( which you will more than likely do ordering via Amazon) then the purchaser won't be disappointed ( just as the ~ 60 Amazon reviewers who purchased one weren't).

So please move on and troll somewhere else !

​yeah £16 for a £5 torch, very smart move. then another £10 or so some cheap nasty 18650 and charger.

great price , thanks op

Can you use 3.7v 14500 batteries in this torch?

hmm hope that wasnt autocorrect :stuck_out_tongue:
the key thing is that they say they are 2000 lumens but its only really the 'proper' brands that give accurate figures
you dont think 320 lumens is bright from experience? or you mean you saw 2000 mentioned so think its not bright?

This says 320lumen, that doesn't sound bright when there are torches in Amazon saying 2000 lumen for less than a fiver, can anyinececokain as need some for holidays. Thanks

sure its the v2 version? :man:

Likewise with the M7 - a bad buy.

My m7 was better value when I bought it before Christmas

​Thanks for the link, that will be a great top-up item for the future.

I have one of these and it's brilliant.... I also have five of these.... http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00QKG7EKC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00 and for the money they are amazing. The P7.2 is bigger and stronger beam but the smaller Chinese rip offs are very good to keep in car or as spares.

Hot deal for original torch, my comment is intended to give people alternatives or additional torches. They come from China so take 2-3 weeks to arrive.

good find

Brilliant torch used mine daily and chucked it on the floor regularly for the last two years. Still works like the day I bought it. Pretty light on batteries too.
Great kit, great price.

Cue some fruit loop saying their m7 was better value, when they bought it before Christmas.

Fantastic torch, have two from Black Friday deals at a slightly higher price.
Light output and build quality are superb, if you're looking for a proper torch, this price is a no brainer.

If you got a good light , you got great vision .