Let's be honest here, you are flat out lying about ASYNC compute support.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-async-compute-directx-12-oxide-games/

The 900 series will be getting ASYNC compute support, via drivers (software). This goes directly against your 'proof' that NVIDIA are forcing people to upgrade. Also this goes directly against your claim that next gen Pascal won't have it.

So no, your 'two years time' thing is a joke.

The Pascal series *will have ASYNC compute*. Either software or hardware, which road they choose we don't know.

But what we can't make an assumption on is how well it will perform compared to the ASYNC compute solution offered by AMD. You are guessing it will be better because they labeled it as 'hardware'.

Well, what about the difference in FreeSync and Gsync? Gsync variable refresh is done via hardware while FreeSync is done via software. Do you contend that FreeSync is worse than Gsync because of this?

http://wccftech.com/amd-freesync-nvidia-gsync-verdict/

Anyway, surely you won't agree, you'll find a way to smash NVIDIA and praise AMD. That's just what you do.

One more thing. FreeSync won't work on older graphics cards, but Gsync will work on cards all the way back to the 600 series.

Doesn't that sound like AMD are 'forcing' users to upgrade their graphics cards to take advantage of FreeSync? Where is your outcry for that? Or are you so blinded by your hatred for NVIDIA that you cannot see that both companies behave in very similar ways?

Nurse! Nurse! He's out of bed again!!

plus £9.99 delivery

Not such a good deal if you are looking for the best price/performance. Especially considering Nvidia GPUs do not have ASYNC compute hardware(and therefor not windows 10 DX12 proof -) or the fact Nvidia are demanding users cash for the latest drivers they produce unless you are prepared to wait longer.
There is better out there.

And as you well know, has no ASync compute and that will most likely be a problem.
But hey, of your an Nvidia junkie looking for a cheap short-term solution, fill your boots.

Buy a amd card as we need to keep them in the game and also the amd card will age far better in the lower tier gpu. So every one wins

this is good

Good price for a 4GB 960 card even with delivery. Must mean Pascale is imminent?

In performance terms, how does this stack up with say AMD R280 2GB card?

I will boot up the machine and confirm make and model tomorrow, think it's only 2GB

Yeah wasn't aware of that?

Well I've owned nvidia GPUs for 8ish years, namely 8800 GTX and lately 980 Ti, I've NEVER been asked to pay for drivers. I'm calling BS unless someone can link me some info.

​That's silly.

Why are u complaining about drivers for? Never had any issues with amd on single gpu so unless u are running crossfire which I have no experience.
What is the problem u are having with amd?
Seriously I just don't get all this driver crap as they are fine and never a issue

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/nvidiageforcegraphicscards/nvidiagtx960series/ne5x960010g1-2062j.html
£6 more expensive (free delivery) but worth it for the better cooling.

Very tempting at this price but holding off as the Oculus Rift has stated the 970 will be the minimum spec. :disappointed:

Thank you for that info, much appreciated. I think my best option is wait for 980's to drop in price

Why not spend £4 more and get that larger memory bus then? http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/amdradeongraphicscards/amdr9380series/r9-380p-4df5.html

980 is a non-starter of a card at this point, it's price/performance is absolutely dire compared to the power provided by the AMD 390/390X, and the 970. The release of the 980ti to counter the Fuy X effectively rendered the 980 useless unless it's at a very specific price point you're looking at. There are some exciting times coming up next year in the GPU market so if you can stand waiting a bit longer I would, if HBM2 trickles down into the mid/high-end enthusiast tier everyone will be happy!

Nvidia own 80% of the discrete GPU market. Let's say you're a game developer. Are you going to rely heavily on features that 80% of your market can't use? I'm not saying that there will be no effect on performance but the idea that developers will purposefully nerf the game experience for 80% of the market is ridiculous.

You also assume that DX11 - where Nvidia drivers are faster - is going to tail-off very quickly. According to the Steam hardware survey, Windows 10 accounts for around 25% of the market. Are game developers going to lock out the other 75%?

Nvidia's complete dominance of the dGPU market is a bit unsettling to be honest, but it is what it is.

Yeah because i always pay for Nvidia Drivers.......dont you?
http://i.imgur.com/zfZVL6h.png

A bit like Intel has most of the CPU market. Whereas 15 years ago AMD could put no foot wrong.

What puts me off most AMD GPUs is the blatant relabelling of old chipsets.

and yet those relabelled GPU's (3 year old 7970 case in point) will be faster than a GTX970 with new DX12 ASYNC games.
]Shows how much effort Nvidia put into their GPU's doesn't it.

There is plenty of proof online if you bother to look.
NVidia whole philosophy has relied on users upgrading every 12 - 24 months.
Case in point, They ahave nbo sync compute on current GPU's or next gen Pascal - this will affect VR and new DX12 titles using ASYNC - They will expect owners of these GPU's to upgrade in two years time

Source for what?
Needing amd to stay in the game to keep nvidia and Intel in check or that the lower value cards are better price/performance

I'm not loyal to any brand but we need nvidia and amd and Intel. This is one of the problems that I don't like with nvidia is that they gimp there cards and expect u to upgrade each time while the amd card will age so much better. Also the game works is completely destructive for the industry and yet amd is not perfect but nvidia and Intel have very dirty shady practises just like Microsoft did in the 90's with suitcases stuffed with cash doing bribes and other illegal activity a behind the scenes

A bit like Physx was supposed to be an Nvidia game changer a few years ago.

ASync compute is not suppose to be a game changer for AMD. It is not proprietary tech and either business can incorporate their own versions of it.
Having said that, due to Nvidia neglecting to incorporate the tech so they could keep profit margins higher may play into AMD hands when dx12 titled and VR games arrive. Oculus already prefer AMD GPUs because of it.
The consequence of such will rest on Nvidia lack of foresight.

Not for long buddy, a different tune will be sung in 12 months. market share will be back to norm, but this will be a dominant year for amd, which is good for all imo, NVidia have dx11 but they never done anything else Microsoft said dx12 will never happen so NVidia sat back n smoked there cigars, now we have dx12 which is in effect actually a clone of mantle something amd know a lot about since it's there's, now that mixed with the experience they've had for years with mantle and there tie in and learning process with the xboxone and ps4, with asynce, the work done on using multi cores at the hardware level instead of just using drivers to get around it, means that this is amd's year NVidia will kick it into gear they'll have to which again is gd for us all but amd will have the market for around 18 months - 2 years at least, hard to believe I know but it won't be long now you'll see, and to be clear I don't red or green I care about best card for my money if that's NVidia fine i'll take one but it will be amd this year.

I've posted this video on another thread but people should really look into b4 spouting what they think they know, throw your own money away but don't throw your rederick around for others to invest poorly, watch listen and pay attention to the video hell watch it twice, there's a lot of very good points and telling stuff including the NVidia tactics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAQFpaGh8

Thanks for the YouTube link and quite enjoyed watching that.

^
interesting youtube video - I guess DX12 is a wake-up call for nvidia

This is the norm. AMD's dedicated GPU market share doesn't change much, hasn't for years.

All this talk about Async compute when we have barely any games on the PC to compare it with. 1 DX12 game with a DX11 benchmark which isn't a great example of the future because it's an RTS. Before making claims like this we should all just wait for at least 1 AAA game to be released...

And VR. The minimum requirements for occulus is a 970 and a 290 which is fair. If it was a 970 and a 380 that would be a different story.

Videos showing slides of quotes and very little game benchmarks isn't all that useful and comparing Mantle to DX12 is completely irrelvant at this point. Mantle isn't the holy grail either if you've played games that support it. There's always problems like memory leaks and most of the time DX11 is the better choice. Thief is probably the only exception.

I'm all for AMD taking the lead, but it takes more than good hardware or ethics to do so, it takes a hell of a lot of marketing. And now we have GSync and FreeSync. Think of all the more NVIDIA dedicated GPU users that have bought a GSync monitor, they won't be going AMD anytime soon.

NVIDIA's top-end GPU (Titan X ) is then cut down (980 Ti) that still outperforms AMD's top-end GPU (Fury X ) it's just hard to see a future where AMD outperforms the Titan in games, unless you count multi-gpu cards like the Fury X-2 but that's a completely different situation and crossfire support is dwindling. DX12 could give multi-adapters more of a future, we have to wait for that as well.

AMD at Mid-range though looks to be positive for DX12. I'm surprised at some of the benchmarks showing the 390x outperfoming the 980 but just as much surprised that in some of these benchmarks it's outperforming the Fury as well, even at lower resolutions. Saying that, we need to wait for more DX12 games.

An inability to spell always adds so much credibility to a posting ... :smirk: /sarcasm

You serious comparing an £800 titan to a £480 Fury X with only 10% performance increase. You can't help yourself can you.

Oh dear

The fact that NVIDIA's flagship GPU cut down (Titan X to a 980 Ti) still outperforms AMD's which is priced similar was the point and you missed it.

There's no need to be so defensive. I'm a consumer just like you.

You still compared a GPU that cost almost twice as much. With only 10% improvement in % and that figure is dropping every quarter.
Lol
Lol

I'm not comparing the Titan X to anything, I'm comparing the cut down version... Why is it so difficult to grasp?

No, fury x is, on average, slightly faster, especially since crimsons release. Stop making things up.

Crimson didn't do much for performance, have you got any links?

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-fury-x-performance-ahead-nvidia-980-ti-latest-drivers/

Several sites supported the same info.

Even then, as we all know it is only Nvidia dx11 performance that enables the performance its GPUs gave. That lead will deteriorate in new games and that does not include ASync benefits.

who uprgade to windows 10 ?? haha windows 10 is even worse then vista good luck

Very close but this is relative performance. Look at actual gaming benchmarks.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Ti_Lightning/13.html

980 Ti leads most titles apart from 4K and slightly lower but that's because the games are GPU bound and the CPU overhead is less important here. The drivers really don't get on with lower resolutions it's not the hardware. Closer though.


We have to for future DX12 titles.

Let's be honest here, you are flat out lying about ASYNC compute support.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-async-compute-directx-12-oxide-games/

The 900 series will be getting ASYNC compute support, via drivers (software). This goes directly against your 'proof' that NVIDIA are forcing people to upgrade. Also this goes directly against your claim that next gen Pascal won't have it.

So no, your 'two years time' thing is a joke.

The Pascal series *will have ASYNC compute*. Either software or hardware, which road they choose we don't know.

But what we can't make an assumption on is how well it will perform compared to the ASYNC compute solution offered by AMD. You are guessing it will be better because they labeled it as 'hardware'.

Well, what about the difference in FreeSync and Gsync? Gsync variable refresh is done via hardware while FreeSync is done via software. Do you contend that FreeSync is worse than Gsync because of this?

http://wccftech.com/amd-freesync-nvidia-gsync-verdict/

Anyway, surely you won't agree, you'll find a way to smash NVIDIA and praise AMD. That's just what you do.

One more thing. FreeSync won't work on older graphics cards, but Gsync will work on cards all the way back to the 600 series.

Doesn't that sound like AMD are 'forcing' users to upgrade their graphics cards to take advantage of FreeSync? Where is your outcry for that? Or are you so blinded by your hatred for NVIDIA that you cannot see that both companies behave in very similar ways?

When did it become acceptable to charge £800 for a Titian gpu ?
U can bet that if people didn't pay these silly prices then the Titian would be a mid £300 gpu like we use to have. People don't realise that buying these high priced gpu has pushed them away from the prices they use to be. When some one is willing to pay so much for something then prices don't come back down again unfortunately :disappointed:

I don't hate nvidia as that's extreme and amd is not no angel of a company as NO company is. They are all ruthless as that's how they stay in business. We need amd in the competition to STOP a monopoly.
If nvidia and Intel were nearly bankrupt I would want people to buy those products as a monopoly with just amd is just as bad.
But to say nvidia cards age better over time compared to amd cards is a joke. Nvidia do gimp there last gen gpu's just go look at benchmarks.

Check some historical figures of cards.

Radeon HD 6990 $699
AMD Radeon R9 295X2 $1499 (over 1000 pounds)

I can go on, but let's put it this way. This isn't new. I could go on for ages, but there has and will always be extreme top end graphics cards that cost upwards of 1000 pounds. From both sides. And from other companies, for non-games related graphics processing (matrox and a few others).

So let's not be ignorant of graphics cards history. This isn't new.

Lol please don't be ignorant and read my comments first before posting ignorant replys.
You use gpus from a few years ago of releasing which is the exact point I'm trying to make.
Go learn some gpu history of the 90's where it all started and then come back and have a educated discussion.
We are being milked good and proper and it's people like yourself who have no clue what your talking about that has made it that way unfortunately :disappointed:

There has always been extreme £1000 gpus. Well done for ignorance as top end extreme gpu from all several manufacturers was £300 all in.

Not again come on man we get ok your an NVidia fan boy fine cool spend your money green but come on let everybody else see the truth and make there own choice, it would appear everyone can see what's going on and the trend here apart from you, do you think NVidia are going to level the playing field in a few months, no, async works that's why all game developers are going amd, NVidia don't (or at best drivers which is so not the same) and until they do they are hampered so plz let others watch, research understand, and make there own choices the facts speak for themselves, and stop with the last years tech on dx12 it will be different with 2016 cards, no it won't were is this miracle coming from, its time for amd to get what they deserved over the years with mantle it's not our fault that NVidia stuck to there dominance with dx11 thinking nothing would change, but we get it your NVidia though and through ok enough already, I know it's hard to imagine nvida on the back foot after such dominance over the last few years it's hard to imagine amd getting back to level playing field let along take the lead but the facts are coming in thick and fast and we will all know soon enough but I know where I'm going this year.

How is anything I said siding with either? Using the word fanboy just makes a decent discussion into childish bickering.

Go with AMD that's fine and I'll wait to see which is the better choice as right now there's nothing to compare.

the true is nvidia have the same performance but with 50% needed power now and they lie about 4GB in 970gtx which i have but who got the money is able to can win the war in so many possibility's.....about dx12 hmm we gamers should be step back from the newest technology before we see results of it....nice comments here :smile:

This isn't true.

You've got just as much google as I do.

And I've literally just showed you this isn't the case. I don't get it, are you afraid to admit it or something?

Top end GPUs have existed for ages, and even without accounting for inflation (ahem, you are forgetting that in 2000, 100 dollars is now 141!), they are the same/higher price!

http://www.in2013dollars.com/2000-dollars-in-2016?amount=100

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/graphics2

I mean, you really don't recall the Voodoo 5 6000 coming in at 500 pounds? (Inflation adjusted 575).

Seriously, I don't know how to continue this discussion, google is right there buddy, every graphics card generation is but a few words away. Each generation has had its high end graphics cards! I'm not talking insane high end like titan, but there has always been this high end set of gamer cards. You are just beginning to take note of them!

Please, do a bit of research, you are really, really, really missing out on easily obtained knowledge.

You sound, and type, a lot like Ferrari... Do you have two accounts? I mean, you type NVidia the same and go on about fan boy stuff and how amd will obviously change and be best? It sounds really similar to Ferrari?

Your another one that's too busy playing the games instead of researching the hardware and your gonna look pretty silly in a few months because of it. you instantly assume NVidia will stay on top because they've been there for a few yrs so why research, as others have remarked it's people like you these company's love blind buying morons going by colour over money, quality and common sense, and all the time messing it up for the rest of us, listen do us all a favour take your hand of the controller, exit the game and do some research before you jump on to posts spouting your rubbish and looking for conspiracy's were there are none, several people on here all saying the same thing so instead of thinking hmmm maybe they have a point maybe I should look into this (as I did), but no you would rather come to the conclusion that it's just one person saying the same stuff only signed under different names, rotfl, my god that's funny, if I sound like others that's because like others we spent the time looking into it and reading the same facts, were all saying the same thing cause we know something you clearly don't, so saying I sound like Ferrari 100, I'd say thx, since that makes me just as well informed as it does him :smile:

As for the NVidia type thing that's not me that's how it corrects itself when you type it all lowercase, again with the laughter man my ribs hurt lol go back to your game or do some research.
you'll find your not as quick to jump to the green defence, geez it's just a gpu I don't care if it's purple or blue as long as its good price/performance this yr it happens to be going the red way that's all, maybe if you got as fired up over important stuff like politics & big business ripping us off in the U.K. we would all be better off but nobody wants to take a stand and fight for that, no but you will get all bent out of shape over a gpu company??
For what loyalty, to a company that gimps there cards, bribes to keep results hidden, lie through there teeth and general PR bull, on top of an on going higher price than amd, always higher than amd, you know I'm done wasting my time the internet is there not for porn but to learn to better yourself use it then maybe you won't come of like such a tool to everyone.
buy what you like I don't care if people believe your rubbish without looking into then it's there own fault as it is yours for doing a disservice to those around you because of your ego.

There's very little information about the next generation of GPU's, not enough to make an informed prediction of the future. All you can do is guess. Current GPU's aren't useful as a reference because they'll be an entirely new architecture and 16nm and hopefully designed around low level API's.

Wow, that sentence literally made me laugh.

He's the least informed person who posts on this forums. He never sources information and blindly attacks NVIDIA. He's stated that he is against NVIDIA for their business practices. Yet he ignores any similar practices by AMD.

This forum is about posting information about the deals.

Read Ferarri's post in this deal.


3 lies in such a short period off time.

Windows DX12 proof? What does that even mean? It's just libelous. NVIDIA demanding cash for its latest drivers???? NVIDIA haven't charged for driver, ever. And best price/performance? Not a single fact or source or review involved, he's just throwing mud.

I really don't want to engage in a negative post fest, but you are treating Ferrari100's posts as if they were truthful and thoughtful.

The 960 and the 380 are nearly identical with perfect hardware.

When you link the 380 with a mid to low end CPU, it falls well behind the 960. To say this isn't the best price/performance ratio is absurd. The 380 is the competition and even in a perfect scenario, it trades blows. If you remove any of those perfect scenarios -- CPU or PSU, you immediately fall into a bottleneck.

If you have a low end i5 and a 500 watt PSU, the 380 is an equal to the 960. If you don't, then the 960 is the superior GPU.

But here's the question. Why would you risk it? If these are neck and neck in the perfect i7/600w CPU scenario, why not just pass and take the 960 in case there is CPU optimization issues in future games? I certainly can't recommend a GPU that shows problems with mid range CPUs.

But what information there is does suggest at this stage that nvidia is going to get its ass kicked !!!!

very good price for a 4gb. got a 2gb a couple of months ago costing me this much.

Ashes of the Singularity? That's a poor example of future games. It's an RTS and an AMD sponsored game which are few and far between.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1125042


Shouting around like that without knowing facts is well, I wont say that here.

Does the Geforce Experience application cost money?

Geforce Experience is 100% free, even if that happens, all it means is that they want to standardize the install process for the casual gamer. I'd prefer they didn't require registration, but you're on this sight, right? That requires registration, are you complaining about hotukdeals.com 'forcing' you to register to use their website?

Who mentioned anything about financial charge
Nvidia has you and your details and force you to use it if you want the latest.



Nvidia has you.

Forcing you to sign up so they can sell your info on or try to make you buy stuff you don't want.
More bad behaviour from a business who couldn't care less about its customers.

Sickening

You did.

Nvidia will have to stop playing dirty this year.
Even their sheep may graze elsewhere.

Polaris incoming:
http://wccftech.com/amd-polaris/

Crazy efficiency gains, hear befor the Non-asynced PASCAL NVIDIA GPU's arrive and better Virtual Reality experience.

Both are going from 28nm to 14/16nm so power efficiency is to be expected. What I'm interested in is gaming performance at the higher end like a 390x equivalent based on Polaris.

What's sickening is how you post lies, get called out, and then continue to lie about everything.

You literally typed the following on these very forums, in this very thread.


You don't even remember the dishonesty you type!

You say NVIDIA has us. No, you've got it wrong.

AMD has you. You've become a shill for their products, you are willing to lie and deceive fellow users on these forums, for whatever reason.


Surely, you can see this isn't unbiased, realistic, or even true? Non-asynced? False. Crazy efficiency gains? What unit is that in? Better VR? How do you know what Pascal or Polaris will actually yield? You are just bold face lying to everyone here.

Back on topic.

This is a great price for a mid range card that will do the majority of users a load of good to purchase. 4gb VRAM model at the lowest price I've seen shipped (if you are a member who gets free shipping at OCers)!

why are you guys arguing over £139 graphics card? I've spent more than that on a night out. get it bought its throwaway money.