Not a bad deal on 5 LED BC bulbs. Cool also available for same price.
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crazylegs
19 Oct 1541#3
Isn't this what bulbs should be anyway, I find the lighting industry since LED bulbs have been introduced has become all a big ripoff, I mean c'mon 6 to 8 quid for a bulb?
Oh the manufacturers tell us you get your money back over the life of the bulb, yeah right!
I would need too just to break even with the cost of some bulbs in the shops, anyway I don't buy into all this LED garbage and stick to me standard energy savers at about a quid each, they seem to last me about 10 years anyway!
u0421793
19 Oct 1526#21
Candle LEDs
Aha, the candle ones are an interesting exception. Quite often the candle ones consist of an LED emitter firing upwards into a polished conical reflector, which does the job of spreading the beam out, and then when it hits the diffusing outer cover, it appears to be a lot less directional. The LED emitter can’t really help being directional in its unadorned state — it is nearly the same technology as a solid state laser. Diffusing helps spread the beam away from directionality and in the case of decorative bulbs, reflection plus diffusion helps more.
CFL disappointment
Interestingly, on the topic of CFL opinions, there’s partly a technological aspect in play here, but also a social aspect. A lot of people have poor opinions of compact fluorescent lights (CFL). Ironically, it is the people who first moved to fit them a long time ago, who were the first to be dissatisfied. If you fitted CFLs about a decade or so ago, you saved a lot of money on power expenditure since, but you also obtained earlier generation CFLs which were exactly as people say — slow to turn on, slow to reach useful brightness, poor colour rendition, and all those other downsides. The upside is that they last a long time. A very long time. In fact, they’re still up and running! Those old slow warm up, low colour rendering index, unhappy looking lights are still deployed, still working and still irritating everyone.
Advances have been made in CFLs to the point that if one were to replace a decades-old CFL with a fresh one purchased today, one would be quite surprised at the difference. Today’s CFLs from a good manufacturer will turn on pretty nearly almost immediately (with a forgivable but really hardly noticeable pause), and start at quite near a maximum brightness, ramping up to true maximum over the next few minutes. This is not like the old ones which started with a prolonged pause, began at less than half perceived brightness and slowly got to maximum by which time you didn’t need the light on and turned it off again.
On colour
The colour rendering index (CRI) of compact fluorescent lights is another improved area not much talked about. As a photographer in the ’80s and ’90s, I knew that you had to balance the colour from fluorescent tubes otherwise everything turned out a horrible greenish on daylight film. This is a function of the narrow bandwidth of emission across the spectrum which, when hitting the phosphors coated on the inside of the tube, converted into visible light, but not covering a nice even band of colours, rather, having odd peaks here and there, and large gaps of no energy emission at all here and there. The result was that they lit up, yes, but the light quality was unnatural. Today’s CFLs are far better.
I even have a set of big daylight CFLs (each 135W, each gives an equivalent light output to a 600W halogen flood) which I use for video work and can be used for photo work (but if you’re shooting handheld you’ll need lower shutter speeds and wider apertures than I’m used to with the far higher instantaneous pulse energy of a set of studio flash). By daylight, it means they have a colour temperature of 5500K which is equivalent to the bright sunny natural whiteness of a nice summer-ish day outdoors. This was unheard of a decade before! The phosphor CRI improvements of today’s CFLs mean that I can shoot pictures of people and the skin tones turn out far more rich and natural than they would have done decades ago.
In conclusion
The fault of CFLs having such a reputation is partly a function of their long life, then. The old rubbish ones still keep working!
Jonnyblock
19 Oct 1514#2
Are these for your "normal" bayonet room fittings?
I get a little confused by all the different bulb types available.
You could say in that respect I'm a bit dim!
nomnomnomnom
19 Oct 1512#10
I knew this would be a LAP product before I even clicked it.
I've had so many of these fail it's unreal. I fitted my entire house with energy saving bulbs, mostly from LAP, and almost all of them died within a year. Replaced with more more expensive Phillips ones and not a single failure (and loads more light).
I really can't recommend LAP products.
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Typey1
19 Oct 152#1
Good price and 3yr guarantee
Billythebubble to Typey1
19 Oct 15#55
Better hope your thermal receipt doesn't fade away otherwise your guarantee will be gone!
Jonnyblock
19 Oct 1514#2
Are these for your "normal" bayonet room fittings?
I get a little confused by all the different bulb types available.
You could say in that respect I'm a bit dim!
Steve Mac to Jonnyblock
19 Oct 151#7
It says BC in the cap fitting type so looks like it.
jdm01 to Jonnyblock
19 Oct 152#8
Yes, normal Bayonet fitting - These are normally classed as Bayonet or BC in the description of the bulbs.
Hope this helps
amour3k to Jonnyblock
19 Oct 15#60
Hahahahahahahah, either that, OR the OP could mention such in either their Product Title, &/or Product Description too ..... lool. :-)
crazylegs
19 Oct 1541#3
Isn't this what bulbs should be anyway, I find the lighting industry since LED bulbs have been introduced has become all a big ripoff, I mean c'mon 6 to 8 quid for a bulb?
Oh the manufacturers tell us you get your money back over the life of the bulb, yeah right!
I would need too just to break even with the cost of some bulbs in the shops, anyway I don't buy into all this LED garbage and stick to me standard energy savers at about a quid each, they seem to last me about 10 years anyway!
coerce86 to crazylegs
19 Oct 15#41
That's the point, If they're selling 1/4 as many as they last as long they're going to sell them at 4x the price so they can sustain their sales and profits
friar_chris to crazylegs
19 Oct 15#50
If you work the numbers, the cost of a the lightbulb is practically negligible with the cost of the electricity they consume over 30,000 hours. The efficiency saving more more more than compensate you for even a £20 LED bulb.
joedastudd to crazylegs
19 Oct 15#76
Going energy saving to led makes less sense but old school or halogen to led makes a big saving.
At 1/8th the energy on 60w bulb is around 0.88p saving per hour (at 17p kWh). So around 680 hours before they pay for themselves at £6 each. At £2/bulb its around 225 hours. If the light is on for 8h per day that's less then a month before its paid for itself.
Yep that's £2/month saving per bulb if you have them on 8h/day. £24/year. Times the amount of bulbs in your house and they make a hell of a lot of sense.
splender to crazylegs
20 Oct 15#86
You have to thank the Chinese to bring these bulbs to less than £2. Otherwise the big brand names like Philips, Osram, etc expect to charge £5 plus for them for the British and European brand management.
most of my osram are 10w and kick out 806 lumens so these are the same but will be a cheaper build quality, and 5 for a tenner makes it a no brainer to fit these in places like toilets and cupboards. One is destined for the upstairs toilet and will be on 8pm to 8am for the kids so i will know after a few weeks if they are up to the job.
Cfl energy saving bulbs are just awful, too dim take an age to "warm up" & just horrible.
Halogen standard bulbs the replacement for std incandescents are expensive & don't last very long.
Led bulbs are expensive, directional light & crap
About time led bulbs did a decent job.
patg2005 to Rich44
19 Oct 1511#11
[b]Led bulbs are expensive, directional light & crap
About time led bulbs did a decent job.[/quote]
I couldn't disagree more. I have 3 candle type leds in my living room. Identical to incandescants to look at, indentical light and spread of light, in short indistinguishable except they are 5w not 40/60w! LEDs are the solution in most applications for domestic and they don't fry the fittings with waste heat!
CardboardCutout to Rich44
19 Oct 15#28
Elaborate on crap, because every single light controlled by wall switches has an LED bulb in and they're fantastic.
nomnomnomnom
19 Oct 1512#10
I knew this would be a LAP product before I even clicked it.
I've had so many of these fail it's unreal. I fitted my entire house with energy saving bulbs, mostly from LAP, and almost all of them died within a year. Replaced with more more expensive Phillips ones and not a single failure (and loads more light).
I really can't recommend LAP products.
GoNz017 to nomnomnomnom
19 Oct 153#13
25% failure rate within a month on the Lap GU10 5w I fitted to the kitchen. If it wasn't for the warranty I would have given up and returned them all by now. If the 5%w GU10 come on sale I will grab a pack of spares, GU10 LED have a hard time removing the heat so I hope these last longer.
Worst ever have to be IKEA, 100% failure :confused:
Besford to nomnomnomnom
19 Oct 151#14
I hope you took them back? If retailers get away with selling rubbish them we only have ourselves to blame.
TheBiker to nomnomnomnom
19 Oct 15#79
I recently spent £80 on LAP bulbs and the packaging clearly states 2 years guarantee. Have kept receipts so will be back at Screwfix if they fail <2 years.
Besford
19 Oct 15#12
This is 806 lm from 8.7W consumption but the 10W input ones only show 810lm - does that make sense?
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Oh the manufacturers tell us you get your money back over the life of the bulb, yeah right!
I would need too just to break even with the cost of some bulbs in the shops, anyway I don't buy into all this LED garbage and stick to me standard energy savers at about a quid each, they seem to last me about 10 years anyway!
Aha, the candle ones are an interesting exception. Quite often the candle ones consist of an LED emitter firing upwards into a polished conical reflector, which does the job of spreading the beam out, and then when it hits the diffusing outer cover, it appears to be a lot less directional. The LED emitter can’t really help being directional in its unadorned state — it is nearly the same technology as a solid state laser. Diffusing helps spread the beam away from directionality and in the case of decorative bulbs, reflection plus diffusion helps more.
CFL disappointment
Interestingly, on the topic of CFL opinions, there’s partly a technological aspect in play here, but also a social aspect. A lot of people have poor opinions of compact fluorescent lights (CFL). Ironically, it is the people who first moved to fit them a long time ago, who were the first to be dissatisfied. If you fitted CFLs about a decade or so ago, you saved a lot of money on power expenditure since, but you also obtained earlier generation CFLs which were exactly as people say — slow to turn on, slow to reach useful brightness, poor colour rendition, and all those other downsides. The upside is that they last a long time. A very long time. In fact, they’re still up and running! Those old slow warm up, low colour rendering index, unhappy looking lights are still deployed, still working and still irritating everyone.
Advances have been made in CFLs to the point that if one were to replace a decades-old CFL with a fresh one purchased today, one would be quite surprised at the difference. Today’s CFLs from a good manufacturer will turn on pretty nearly almost immediately (with a forgivable but really hardly noticeable pause), and start at quite near a maximum brightness, ramping up to true maximum over the next few minutes. This is not like the old ones which started with a prolonged pause, began at less than half perceived brightness and slowly got to maximum by which time you didn’t need the light on and turned it off again.
On colour
The colour rendering index (CRI) of compact fluorescent lights is another improved area not much talked about. As a photographer in the ’80s and ’90s, I knew that you had to balance the colour from fluorescent tubes otherwise everything turned out a horrible greenish on daylight film. This is a function of the narrow bandwidth of emission across the spectrum which, when hitting the phosphors coated on the inside of the tube, converted into visible light, but not covering a nice even band of colours, rather, having odd peaks here and there, and large gaps of no energy emission at all here and there. The result was that they lit up, yes, but the light quality was unnatural. Today’s CFLs are far better.
I even have a set of big daylight CFLs (each 135W, each gives an equivalent light output to a 600W halogen flood) which I use for video work and can be used for photo work (but if you’re shooting handheld you’ll need lower shutter speeds and wider apertures than I’m used to with the far higher instantaneous pulse energy of a set of studio flash). By daylight, it means they have a colour temperature of 5500K which is equivalent to the bright sunny natural whiteness of a nice summer-ish day outdoors. This was unheard of a decade before! The phosphor CRI improvements of today’s CFLs mean that I can shoot pictures of people and the skin tones turn out far more rich and natural than they would have done decades ago.
In conclusion
The fault of CFLs having such a reputation is partly a function of their long life, then. The old rubbish ones still keep working!
I get a little confused by all the different bulb types available.
You could say in that respect I'm a bit dim!
I've had so many of these fail it's unreal. I fitted my entire house with energy saving bulbs, mostly from LAP, and almost all of them died within a year. Replaced with more more expensive Phillips ones and not a single failure (and loads more light).
I really can't recommend LAP products.
All comments (137)
I get a little confused by all the different bulb types available.
You could say in that respect I'm a bit dim!
Hope this helps
Oh the manufacturers tell us you get your money back over the life of the bulb, yeah right!
I would need too just to break even with the cost of some bulbs in the shops, anyway I don't buy into all this LED garbage and stick to me standard energy savers at about a quid each, they seem to last me about 10 years anyway!
At 1/8th the energy on 60w bulb is around 0.88p saving per hour (at 17p kWh). So around 680 hours before they pay for themselves at £6 each. At £2/bulb its around 225 hours. If the light is on for 8h per day that's less then a month before its paid for itself.
Yep that's £2/month saving per bulb if you have them on 8h/day. £24/year. Times the amount of bulbs in your house and they make a hell of a lot of sense.
(2700K) Warm White here: http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-gls-led-lamps-warm-white-bc-8-7w-pack-of-5/2330j
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/2-pack-led-lamps-es-homebase-3-93-2303520
are described as:
"rated at 10w so equivalent to 60w incandescent lamps."
Cfl energy saving bulbs are just awful, too dim take an age to "warm up" & just horrible.
Halogen standard bulbs the replacement for std incandescents are expensive & don't last very long.
Led bulbs are expensive, directional light & crap
About time led bulbs did a decent job.
About time led bulbs did a decent job.[/quote]
I couldn't disagree more. I have 3 candle type leds in my living room. Identical to incandescants to look at, indentical light and spread of light, in short indistinguishable except they are 5w not 40/60w! LEDs are the solution in most applications for domestic and they don't fry the fittings with waste heat!
I've had so many of these fail it's unreal. I fitted my entire house with energy saving bulbs, mostly from LAP, and almost all of them died within a year. Replaced with more more expensive Phillips ones and not a single failure (and loads more light).
I really can't recommend LAP products.
Worst ever have to be IKEA, 100% failure :confused: