Isn't this what bulbs should be anyway, I find the lighting industry since LED bulbs have been introduced has become all a big ripoff, I mean c'mon 6 to 8 quid for a bulb?
Oh the manufacturers tell us you get your money back over the life of the bulb, yeah right!
I would need too just to break even with the cost of some bulbs in the shops, anyway I don't buy into all this LED garbage and stick to me standard energy savers at about a quid each, they seem to last me about 10 years anyway!

Candle LEDs

Aha, the candle ones are an interesting exception. Quite often the candle ones consist of an LED emitter firing upwards into a polished conical reflector, which does the job of spreading the beam out, and then when it hits the diffusing outer cover, it appears to be a lot less directional. The LED emitter can’t really help being directional in its unadorned state — it is nearly the same technology as a solid state laser. Diffusing helps spread the beam away from directionality and in the case of decorative bulbs, reflection plus diffusion helps more.

CFL disappointment

Interestingly, on the topic of CFL opinions, there’s partly a technological aspect in play here, but also a social aspect. A lot of people have poor opinions of compact fluorescent lights (CFL). Ironically, it is the people who first moved to fit them a long time ago, who were the first to be dissatisfied. If you fitted CFLs about a decade or so ago, you saved a lot of money on power expenditure since, but you also obtained earlier generation CFLs which were exactly as people say — slow to turn on, slow to reach useful brightness, poor colour rendition, and all those other downsides. The upside is that they last a long time. A very long time. In fact, they’re still up and running! Those old slow warm up, low colour rendering index, unhappy looking lights are still deployed, still working and still irritating everyone.

Advances have been made in CFLs to the point that if one were to replace a decades-old CFL with a fresh one purchased today, one would be quite surprised at the difference. Today’s CFLs from a good manufacturer will turn on pretty nearly almost immediately (with a forgivable but really hardly noticeable pause), and start at quite near a maximum brightness, ramping up to true maximum over the next few minutes. This is not like the old ones which started with a prolonged pause, began at less than half perceived brightness and slowly got to maximum by which time you didn’t need the light on and turned it off again.

On colour

The colour rendering index (CRI) of compact fluorescent lights is another improved area not much talked about. As a photographer in the ’80s and ’90s, I knew that you had to balance the colour from fluorescent tubes otherwise everything turned out a horrible greenish on daylight film. This is a function of the narrow bandwidth of emission across the spectrum which, when hitting the phosphors coated on the inside of the tube, converted into visible light, but not covering a nice even band of colours, rather, having odd peaks here and there, and large gaps of no energy emission at all here and there. The result was that they lit up, yes, but the light quality was unnatural. Today’s CFLs are far better.

I even have a set of big daylight CFLs (each 135W, each gives an equivalent light output to a 600W halogen flood) which I use for video work and can be used for photo work (but if you’re shooting handheld you’ll need lower shutter speeds and wider apertures than I’m used to with the far higher instantaneous pulse energy of a set of studio flash). By daylight, it means they have a colour temperature of 5500K which is equivalent to the bright sunny natural whiteness of a nice summer-ish day outdoors. This was unheard of a decade before! The phosphor CRI improvements of today’s CFLs mean that I can shoot pictures of people and the skin tones turn out far more rich and natural than they would have done decades ago.

In conclusion

The fault of CFLs having such a reputation is partly a function of their long life, then. The old rubbish ones still keep working!

Are these for your "normal" bayonet room fittings?

I get a little confused by all the different bulb types available.
You could say in that respect I'm a bit dim!

I knew this would be a LAP product before I even clicked it.

I've had so many of these fail it's unreal. I fitted my entire house with energy saving bulbs, mostly from LAP, and almost all of them died within a year. Replaced with more more expensive Phillips ones and not a single failure (and loads more light).

I really can't recommend LAP products.

Good price and 3yr guarantee

Are these for your "normal" bayonet room fittings?

I get a little confused by all the different bulb types available.
You could say in that respect I'm a bit dim!

Isn't this what bulbs should be anyway, I find the lighting industry since LED bulbs have been introduced has become all a big ripoff, I mean c'mon 6 to 8 quid for a bulb?
Oh the manufacturers tell us you get your money back over the life of the bulb, yeah right!
I would need too just to break even with the cost of some bulbs in the shops, anyway I don't buy into all this LED garbage and stick to me standard energy savers at about a quid each, they seem to last me about 10 years anyway!

(4000k) Cool White here: http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-gls-led-lamps-cool-white-bc-8-7w-pack-of-5/8621j
(2700K) Warm White here: http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-gls-led-lamps-warm-white-bc-8-7w-pack-of-5/2330j

8.7W = 60W. Seems less efficient than others?

We seem to keep taking backwards steps.

Cfl energy saving bulbs are just awful, too dim take an age to "warm up" & just horrible.

Halogen standard bulbs the replacement for std incandescents are expensive & don't last very long.

Led bulbs are expensive, directional light & crap

About time led bulbs did a decent job.

I knew this would be a LAP product before I even clicked it.

I've had so many of these fail it's unreal. I fitted my entire house with energy saving bulbs, mostly from LAP, and almost all of them died within a year. Replaced with more more expensive Phillips ones and not a single failure (and loads more light).

I really can't recommend LAP products.

This is 806 lm from 8.7W consumption but the 10W input ones only show 810lm - does that make sense?

10% more efficient, why shouldn't it make sense?


I was merely responding to you asking if they are not very efficient when they are compared to one of the leading manufacturers offerings that I have several of throughout my house.

Depends on the LED's, circuitry etc.

they are still Lap so expect to use the warranty!

yes, walk in and swap them, I did say if any more go they are all being returned but I seem to have got rid of the bad ones.

But they are cheap so you get what you pay for!

If you are not happy go buy 5 Osrams/Philips and pay £40-£50 for the same things that will probably last out it's warranty.

Mine are going in 2 toilets, a pantry and the cupboard under the stairs so it is a bargain to replace my remaining fluorescent slow to come up to full brightness and less efficient offerings.

If you want something of better quality then B&Q are doing a pack of 3 x Philips LED bulbs for £10 (40W equavalent) or £12 (60W equivalent).

Since all bulbs fail, how do you denote failure? It must be within a specific time frame, less than the warranty period I would guess?

5w = 50w pack of 12 available for £11.90 on eBay if some one is thinking on bulk buy. Also come with 2 years guarantee

Candle LEDs

Aha, the candle ones are an interesting exception. Quite often the candle ones consist of an LED emitter firing upwards into a polished conical reflector, which does the job of spreading the beam out, and then when it hits the diffusing outer cover, it appears to be a lot less directional. The LED emitter can’t really help being directional in its unadorned state — it is nearly the same technology as a solid state laser. Diffusing helps spread the beam away from directionality and in the case of decorative bulbs, reflection plus diffusion helps more.

CFL disappointment

Interestingly, on the topic of CFL opinions, there’s partly a technological aspect in play here, but also a social aspect. A lot of people have poor opinions of compact fluorescent lights (CFL). Ironically, it is the people who first moved to fit them a long time ago, who were the first to be dissatisfied. If you fitted CFLs about a decade or so ago, you saved a lot of money on power expenditure since, but you also obtained earlier generation CFLs which were exactly as people say — slow to turn on, slow to reach useful brightness, poor colour rendition, and all those other downsides. The upside is that they last a long time. A very long time. In fact, they’re still up and running! Those old slow warm up, low colour rendering index, unhappy looking lights are still deployed, still working and still irritating everyone.

Advances have been made in CFLs to the point that if one were to replace a decades-old CFL with a fresh one purchased today, one would be quite surprised at the difference. Today’s CFLs from a good manufacturer will turn on pretty nearly almost immediately (with a forgivable but really hardly noticeable pause), and start at quite near a maximum brightness, ramping up to true maximum over the next few minutes. This is not like the old ones which started with a prolonged pause, began at less than half perceived brightness and slowly got to maximum by which time you didn’t need the light on and turned it off again.

On colour

The colour rendering index (CRI) of compact fluorescent lights is another improved area not much talked about. As a photographer in the ’80s and ’90s, I knew that you had to balance the colour from fluorescent tubes otherwise everything turned out a horrible greenish on daylight film. This is a function of the narrow bandwidth of emission across the spectrum which, when hitting the phosphors coated on the inside of the tube, converted into visible light, but not covering a nice even band of colours, rather, having odd peaks here and there, and large gaps of no energy emission at all here and there. The result was that they lit up, yes, but the light quality was unnatural. Today’s CFLs are far better.

I even have a set of big daylight CFLs (each 135W, each gives an equivalent light output to a 600W halogen flood) which I use for video work and can be used for photo work (but if you’re shooting handheld you’ll need lower shutter speeds and wider apertures than I’m used to with the far higher instantaneous pulse energy of a set of studio flash). By daylight, it means they have a colour temperature of 5500K which is equivalent to the bright sunny natural whiteness of a nice summer-ish day outdoors. This was unheard of a decade before! The phosphor CRI improvements of today’s CFLs mean that I can shoot pictures of people and the skin tones turn out far more rich and natural than they would have done decades ago.

In conclusion

The fault of CFLs having such a reputation is partly a function of their long life, then. The old rubbish ones still keep working!

Great. Hot :sunglasses:

£2 a pop for 806lm LED lamps with 3 year guarantee from a reputable retailer? Bargain. The high comparable lumens per watt is a bonus, if true. Hot.

10 years ago maybe. You can get decent ones nowadays.

My house is a mix of CFL, LED & halogen. I only use halogen in the areas I seldom use the overhead spotlights.

Philips CFL bulbs ..... great. Non-Philips ones, not so good. LED's .... Osram & Philips, great. Ikea, not so great. Ebay cheapos, terrible - complete waste of money.

bought a 3 watt one from the pound shop, still working after 6 months in the porch, on for About 10hrs every day

If you want dimmable, Costco (if you are a member) are doing 3 for £9.58 - 25,000 hours v 15,000 hours.
Available in B22 (Bayonet), or E27 (Edison Screw):
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/1a45c0e9#/1a45c0e9/3

My next door neighbour is an amateur ham radio enthusiast and has noticed that a lot of the LED bulbs give out a lot of interference totally killing DAB radio.

Another hidden downside of LED lights, don't suppose anybody knows if these mess up DAB radio?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/11312589/Problems-with-LED-bulbs-and-DAB-radio.html

Main problem with LED bulbs like this is that most of them are not dimmable.

My led outdoor spotlights interfere with the radio that's for sure

Good deal but was put off by the comments about them failing often, voted hot for the price though. Just nipped into Costco and they had an equivalent pack of 3 there for £8 odd (different brand) so took a punt.

Thanks

Are Phillips really that good? Spent £8 on one clear dimable bulb and it makes a buzzing sound. Does my head in.

Emailed them. They claim it's not faulty, their bulbs only work in approved light fittings. There aren't many and it says nothing about this on the pack.

Yes, instore only I think - they were on a pallet near the entrance. Don't know if it's national though. The packs were all mixed together so I had to rummage to find bayonets (probably because people had taken the obvious ones), but they were available. I think there were globes, candles and downlighter bulbs available.

Paid about this for them when they launched them over a year ago. Decent enough light output, very well made and heavy compared to the Aldi versions i've got at home. The ones that ended up at work ran 12hrs a day without issue and we had zero failures so far. At this kind of money it's rude not to buy a pack.

£5 delivery btw.

I was looking for more around 3000K but what the heck... bought it anyway :smiley:

I did yes and Screwfix were brilliant. The guy behind the counter did say they have LAP stuff returned fairly often, but it's normally cheaper than the other stuff.

They're really not fit for purpose. There's only about 10 or 15 recommended light fittings for that bulb and even those they admit don't work 100% properly at all light levels.

Besides that I am using it with a lamp with only three brightness settings. It should say on the packet not suitable for use in lamps, if so few switches are supported.

But it doesn't, it just says dimmable bulb e14. How am I supposed to know it only works in a select few lights from that?

Previously to this I was under the impression only cheap badly made bulbs buzzed. Seems like a cop out to me.

CRI not stated? Guess what - you're buying am LED bulb that will give nasty light.

Philips do some LED bulbs of decent brightness and CRI (80+). They're reassuringly expensive.

Took a punt and went for a pack of the cool white ones as warm white had sold out in my local. They can't be any worse than our standard bulbs, but if they are then I'll return them.

Thanks OP.

Are you using a trailing edge LED dimmer switch with your dimmable LED lamps?. If you are using an old conventional dimmer switch - i.e one which probably uses a schematic designed back in 1985 for filament lamps and well before LED lamps had even been thought about, then look on the back of the actual dimmer switch unit. It will probably say something like 60w - 300w (or similar)

This means
minimum load = 60 watts
maximum load = 300 watts

Add up the wattage of the LED's lamps that the dimmer is controlling, Is the minimum load of the connected LED lamps at least meeting the minimum load shown on your dimmer switch? (in this example 60 watts), if not then that is where your problem is, and it won't go away until you fit the proper hardware. Unfortunately in the days of filament lamps one or two bulbs was often enough to meet the minimum load required by the dimmer, in the days of LED's, well you will probably need seven or eight lights to do the same thing. Trailing edge dimmers can work as low as 10w and some even lower at 5w or 6w, so they are designed for LED loads, unlike the ones from 'yesterday', built to control a whole different technology.

Of course LED lamp manufacturers could fit dummy loads into their lamps, to consume 40w or 60w or whatever the minimum of an old style dimmer switch is, however that would create heat issues and also defeat the point of using an Energy Saving lamp in the first place, if your 7w lamp was designed to consume 65w just to make them compatible with dimmer switches which may have been fitted in 1992!.

If you want your LED lamps to dim properly from 0 - 100% without hum, radio interference, flickering or shortening the life of the actual lamp, then you need an LED dimmer switch.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/VARILIGHT-Intelligent-Trailing-Edge-Dimmers-Dimmer/dp/B00E7LVCRS

Yes it costs more money (Show me an ecological 'concern' which doesn't !!!!) but hey, its green so thats ok!

I've never quite understood this. Apart for one stupid multicolour remote control thing that failed while sat in its box after three months of non-use, I've *never* had an LED bulb fail on me in five years. Not one. And I've bought all manner of cheap eBay crap, as well as the better stuff.

The only "energy-saving" bulbs that have ever persistently failed early on me have been the dimmable CFLs... and they came from top brands.

We're going to try them in the bedrooms and hallway/landing. We use bedside lamps in the bedroom for a more relaxing tone of light. Another bedroom is used as a dressing room, so cool white may be ideal for this room. The standard filament and halogen bulbs just don't cut it in terms of light output with our current light shades.

The LED's at home bargains come in Both Daylight and Warm Light, are dimmable and they have all fittings, I use them and they are brilliant, a 60W equiv at 5W £2.50 each.

I got 2 stupid fittings in my house that are energy saving so need BC3 style.

Not really
I use energy saving anyway at 8w and only cost me about 80 pence each so the cost saving for an LED is far more than my normal CFL energy savers!

Bayonet fittings are in decline, probably why these are being sold cheaper...

my Bayonet Philips energy saving bulb lasted 5 years, not changed a light bulb for a few years

I order my bulbs direct from China and very cheap too.

​always take pictures of thermal receipts and store on PC problem solved

Really? That must be about equivalent to a 40W bulb - the sort of thing you find in a lava-lamp. You must live in one of those 'bedrooms under the stairs' I keep hearing about on the London News if one of these lights your room adequately.

Regardless, CRL's still waste about 20% of the electricity they transfer, where as LED's are closer to 98%. Over an extended period of time (30,000 hours) your 2W of heat is costing about £6 (10p a kWh). On that basis the average Joe should be happy paying upto £6.80 for one of these LED bulbs.

http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html

First site I've found also says that CFL bulbs last about 10,000 hours while LEDs last 50,000 hours. So I'd be happy paying £10.80 + (4x£0.80). So £14 looks good for an LED bulb.

And add on another 80p if you go with these figures:

http://www.designrecycleinc.com/led%20comp%20chart.html

Like I said... IF you work the numbers....

Any good deals on apx 18w(100watt) LED's?

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!, aren't you the 'Electrically Minded' compadre, huh Batman?, hehehehehe.

Its Food for thought still?, thanx. :-)

I don't understand why anyone buys anything other than LED lights these days.
£2 a bulb is still great value.

The only thing I can partly appreciate is that LEDs are far more customisable (beam angle, light warmth etc) which can be confusing for some, and others who may buy a bulb unsuitable for the purpose they want without realising. eg buying a high lumen 'white light' with a focused beam for a living area.

Installed LED BC & ES bulbs from Screwfix around 4 weeks ago and can no longer see the "Dial" whizzing round when the kids leave the lights on!

Far less "Light Policing" going on in my house these days, and I bought the higher 9W bulbs as these werent available at the time and they give off more than enough light.

Total bulb wattage in house is now = 115W..... years gone by this would of been 700W+

Heat from me! :sunglasses:

The evolution of the light bulb is progressing rapidly... the University of Manchester have created the graphene light bulb and that will be available soon.

Most of my light fittings are now led and this includes a variety of bulbs (GU10, G9, ES, SES & BC).
In my experience they are of a similar quality to the old style filament bulbs but obviously last significantly longer and are unbelievably cheap to run. The first year that I changed all my GU10s in the house (17) I noticed a difference in my electric bill.

I have bought my bulbs mainly from SimplyLed, Ledhut & IKEA. All have proved to be quite durable & reasonably priced. The only bad ones I had were from Amazon and made by a company called Aurora (I think?)

LED FTW!!! All that energy you save in lighting could be put to use elsewhere now :wink:

LED is the future. They have come on in leaps and bounds in the last five years. My latest torch shines out an amazing 1100 Lumens compared to my old Maglite's 14 Lumens which is a similar size torch. Halogen bulbs turned out to be a huge disappointment. I remember being told they would last for years and save me a fortune. In reality they were dim, cost a fortune and had the life cycle of a moth. Once I have burned through my giant box of spare Halogen bulbs that where purchased in bulk via an offer I will never by another one of the blooming things again and I will then move to LED.

Any good deals on screw ones rather than bayonets?

whatever i deem reasonable, in this case I hit 25% in 2 months and am now up to 6, I will go another 6 before I am happy.

factor in return postage over popping into screwfix when you are passing to swap a duff one.


I have one in the downstairs loo but have spent under a quid getting a BC fitting added to my screwfix order.
http://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-cordgrip-lamp-holder-bc-white/48002

Good thing with screwfix is this thing called an account you tend to use so you do not need a receipt as they have the brains to check your purchase history, never took the paperwork back for my GU10 Lap bulbs :smiley:

My problem is they build them to break, LEDs should last years, but these bulbs last months.

800 lumens. Too dim imo if it's going to be the main/only bulb on in the room.

Thanks OP, ordered set of qty 5 warm white and qty 5 cool white.

One thing few people realise CFL lamps have a finite number of on/off cycles which can be in the low 1000s, I have automatic lighting in my house, so found CFL lamps didn't last anything like 8000 hours, whereas some of my LEDs must be getting on for 7 years old and have gone through tens of 1000s of on/off cycles.

mike

That's a coincidence. I've found the IKEA flourescent bulbs failed relatively quickly as well, so stopped buying them years ago.

My first LEDs were 4 branded GU10s from B&Q, with up to 30,000 hours written on the box. One failed within 3 months, so less than 300 hours actual useage. I had to argue for about 20 minutes to get B&Q to agree to a replacement. That was several years ago. No failures since, although the light output is poor by modern standards.
The 4GU10s from Toolstation have lasted about 3 years, no failures.
4GU10s in the kitchen from Interlux -3 or 4 failures to date. [I had 3 replacements sent FOC, then gave up]
3 x Minisun -No failures, very bright, very pleased so far.

Thanks, ordered.

Like I said in real world terms its nothing like that.. My cfl's I have had for something like the last 13 years and still going strong, I have never had to replace one of tem yet in all that time..
The failure rate for LED is far higher and have had loads of people tell me they bought them only for them to only last a fraction of the stated hours before failing and they ended up going back to cheap CFL bulbs as they didn't fancy paying £6 to £8 a bulb for LED replacements all over again, infact they told me there original cfl bulbs were still working perfectly before they replaced with LED because it was the in thing..

The numbers just don't add up and you won't know if they do because the required amount of time hasn't passed yet, its a new technology thats only been out what no longer than about 4 years for residential..

I go by facts not figures made up by manufacturers
My 8w bulbs put out around 55w lumens so don't know where your getting your info from about being in a dimly lit room..
Infact they consume almost the same amount of energy as there LED counterparts at a fraction of their cost!

You can't say something along the lines of "you would need to wait 4 years before you can ascertain what their lifetime is" and then state the numbers just don't add up. Also, which numbers don't add up? You haven't provided any tangible numbers. 13 years of CFL is about 10,000 hours if they are on for 2 hours a day!

I confess I've only ever had to replace as many as 5 CFL's over a similar time period. They have been in rooms which get lots of usage, so I'm prepared to accept a modern CFL could well have a lifetime of 20,000hours.

As you say near-white LEDs have not been around for anywhere near as long so are very much an unknown quantity if we are ignoring manufacturers lifetimes. However we also need to take notions that all LED bulbs have high failure rates with a pinch of salt too. They don't cost £8 a bulb now either as this forum can testify to, and CFLs are not a fraction of the cost of an LED unless you are literally saying 1/2 is a fraction. £2 vs 80p? I bought 4 LED bulbs a year ago, they are used often (6 hours a day...) and are going strong. This too can be disregarded as anecdotal.

I tend to believe that manufacturers such as Philips would disclose reliable data for their product, and that their data could be trusted for a more expensive product. Cheaper imports which are made to unregulated specifications will be far more hit and miss. Furthermore, just as CFLs have improved over time, reliability rates will be continuing to improve.

My original point was that the cost of electricity is the paramount factor when costing for bulbs. Even if CFLs lasted three times longer than LED bulbs which means throwing out all the stated lifetimes available online (lets say 30,000 for a CFL vs 10,000 for a LED), over 30,000 hours your CFL costs you 80p and £6 more in electricity bills for the heat it wastes. Over the same period, the LEDs will cost you £6 more in replacements. Even when taking an overstated view of the CFL bulb, and when taking a very dim (intended) view of LEDs they are on par, and should the LED last anything over 10,000 hours, they are the better option.

amazon is doing 4 for 3 from 19/10/2015 to 01/11/2015 on all lighting products sold by amazon directly. Purchase from 3rd party do not qualify.

use code LIGHT4FOR3 at check out.

Thanks,ordered :smiley:

My oldest LEDs have now been installed for so many years, at least 5 and probably closer than 7, I estimate that a couple have already reached 10000 hours of use and as my lighting is now controlled by computer, I have accurate usage figures for the last year or so, which should mean the estimate is quite accurate.

I still use CFL simply because, like many people, I couldn't resist the 5 for £1 deals, however, my supply is declining rapidly as they're the only ones I'm replacing, even where the on/off cycles are relatively low. The only reliable CFLs I ever had, were the expensive Philips ones bought years ago.

I have bought a couple of 2000+ lumen LED lamps from China, but these failed quite quickly, checking the electronics, it's no wonder, but this is simply the power supply not the LEDs, I could probably replace that and get the lifespan you would expect - but it's not easy, LEDs themselves are built to last, but the driver circuits may not, hence why cheap lamps often fail. I suspect if you really want a long lasting setup, you'd be better off running low voltage lighting and a central driver which could easily and cheaply be replaced.

mike

Do you have link please?

good price, seem to be £4 each in supermarkets these days

Might seem a daft question but I'm new to led lights and thinking of switching all lights to them, what's more suited for a house, warm white or cool white and what's the difference?

Not bad, good to get them from a shop too as I got some cheap ones off Amazon and they all popped within a year. My others (different brands) are all going strong. Much better than standard GU10s and use a fraction of the power.

Let there be light

Pretty much my life explained in a light bulb haha, warm white it is then! Thanks for the in depth explanation.

According to the site, there's a 3 year guarantee.

I have 39 led fittings all 3 watts and never had a failure. Go for proper led fittings cheap as chips now thanks to China. Monthly electric bills only around £20.00 so they soon pay back.

The problem with LED bulbs is that the cheap ones have weak sh*tty light and the good ones are quite expensive.

Cheaper on E-Bay ........ 10 for £16:00 inc P&P .....bought some 3 months ago ..... No problems still going strong ! ! ! Even cheaper if you buy more.

is it me or does it say 5 For a tenner which is £2 a bulb which ain't bad, still you cant beat a pound shop. :smiley:

LED is ok but gives me awful headaches and tiredness, maybe they'll improve but took these out and felt much better for it

I bought up so many of the old type incandescent bulbs 100w mainly, and 60w, before all this palava of the big CON energy bulbs and led came in. Energy bulbs are at best, crap. Leds are great, and should be inexpensive, but fools and their money eh?
I think my bulk purchases of incandescent bulbs worked out at the time at about 10p each or less.
Think I won hands down.
I have changed 3 so far this year (so lost 30pence so far), and I have our lights on constantly. Sod the green brigade, they're all nuts!

edit
Make that 4 gone. Just went under the stairs cupboard ...light switch on and pop, light went. 60w. Flipped the trip switch. Went to my supply of bulbs - just realise I have a box of 20 E27s (screw type rather than normal bayonet). I'm not likely to need that many so on the bay with them. Bayonet bulb out, 60w, change bulb, all for a measly TEN PEE!!! flick back the trip, light on.

And some idiots think £2 a bulb is a hot deal. LOL
Ah well.

Oh yes, nearly forgot. Ice bloody COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was in screwfix there and got these but in 4000k and there a great job far brighter than my 2700k duracel that was 7quid a bulb in asda last year, trust me get the 4000k same price for 5 bulbs you won't be disappointed

You Sir a fool, or even a tool

Don't feed the troll!!!!

the 4000k are brighter the 2700k bulbs I got from asda was a 5w and less leds needed to light up, the 4000k led needs more leds as it's a 8.5w bulb ☺

(1) I'm trying to find a good deal on LED candle bulbs, bayonet fitting. Can anyone help with a link, please?

(2) Unless I am mistaken, I think some people have said you need special fittings for LED bulbs. Is that true, or will the bulbs go into my existing light fittings?

I bought some Phillips compact fluorescent bulbs for an eye watering £15 each in 1990, the last one has just broken but hey, that's a 25 life.

I got these bulbs yesterday and they are bright BUT I don't think they are true 4000K.

I have got 4000K CFL bulbs in every part of the house and this one stands out from the rest.

These bulbs give out a slight "yellow" tinge.

​not all bulbs fail.. quite a few grow into pretty flowers

Email contains invoice as I paid online

I got the 2700K bulbs today. They are brighter than 60W IMO. More like 75W. I'm happy with the light they give off even though it is whiter than 2700K incandescent bulbs but not as white as 3000K LEDs.

Spec sheet for the bulbs:

http://www.my-sds.co.uk/Admin/ViewDocument.aspx?SDSNo=10991&HeadingID=1&MasterCompanyID=582&RevisionNumber=2302284&textToSearch=&isDopSearch=True&reportID=7

I bought these yesterday, put one in the bedroom and one in the hall landing. After 3 switches of the bedroom one, it failed, and after approx. 1-2 hours constant use in the hall, it failed. Absolute rubbish!! These will be going back to screwfix as that was not 15,000hrs use or 20,000 switchings as quoted. Not so hot now!!!

Got from Banggood for 85p per one and they're are awesome.

Anyone know of a descent LED G9 bulb, they seem to be rather expensive even though they're tiny

Looking for Mega man GX53 9w lamps......

Anyone know of a descent LED G9 bulb, they seem to be rather expensive even though they're tiny

I ordered + collected a pack of the warm white bulbs. Upon testing, one of them didn't work. I phoned Screwfix to let them know. Within 24 hours they delivered another 5 pack to my address. They also didn't ask for the faulty or original items to be returned. Cheers!

Maybe they can claim back from the manufacturer if they get a few duff ones.

You could always scan a copy to a computer.

Personally I don't want to waste electricity & heat my house in the warmer months.........

By the way, if anyone needs a bit more sensationalism and scaring in their life, there’s a phenomena called “blue light hazard” (look it up), and here’s a report on it:
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/122-A81/
Now, before you rush off and create a newspaper headline out of it, bear in mind that it hasn’t been shown to have an irreversible effect in humans.

Tool station are also doing 5 for £10 if that's closer to anyone. I believe they are only the cool white versions though.
Bought them myself for the landing and under the stairs. so far so good!

Are they any good ?+

Picked some up. Heat

We bought these for wall lights; The lights are the type where the bulb sits upright. The bulbs were a quid each from ebay. But were useless compared to incandescents. Because of the bulb design, they cast lots of light upwards, but no light downwards which, alas, is where we wanted it.

I think this is a good deal as I sell led bulbs and.this is near enough my cost price and I sell these for approx £5.00