Only 180.41 Euro at Amazon France. Add another 3-4 Euros for shipping and it stills ends up around £15 cheaper than Amazon UK if you use a commission free credit card.
Not too much of a difference plus if there are issues you'll have to send back to France which will take a while :smile: to each of their own, though.
PhoenixRising to furreal
8 Oct 17#4
To be honest, I feel the same way as you and would much rather buy it from Amazon UK for a bit more. It's still a bit much for me personally. I think I'll bite when the 1600/1600x is around £160.
I bought a 1700 from FR and UK on launch (not knowing which would arrive first). Cost me £17~ to send it back to FR with suitable insurance.
UK wouldn't help me, plus no instant chat in English (they will only talk French), you have to send an email and wait.
bouttime2
8 Oct 17#3
The 1600X was £184.95 yesterday. It will eventually decrease to the same price as the 1600. Then buyers have a straight choice of either the included cooler with the 1600 or included overclock and binned chip with the 1600X. It's how it should have been in the first place.
MysticalUndies
8 Oct 17#6
For this price I'd definitely be buying the i5 8400 instead. Reviews show it to be an awesome chip.
Yes, the i5-8400 is an usual thing for Intel: a good value chip! Seems Ryzen has forced Intel to be a bit more competitive which is great for consumers. (The perceived wisdom is that it's less good for Intel shareholders, but then again having worthwhile upgrade options might halt/reverse the decline of the desktop market which might be good for Intel in the longer term - but then shareholders and the financial markets are seldom interested in the longer term.) Current problem with CoffeeLake is both the limited available (just a bit more than a paper launch for the 'K' chips), and that Intel only launched the Z370 chipsets. Z370-only means the cheapest motherboard is £100 vs around £60-£80 for a AM4 B350 motherboard. Something like the i5-8400 or even the new quad core i3-8100 really are better matched to £60 or B350 or H370 motherboard but it seems they will only come much later. At least Intel's locked chips come with a heatsink/cooler - unlike the 'K' models - but the AMD coolers are better.
aberboy007 to MysticalUndies
8 Oct 17#9
no gamer would want a locked cpu, i would never buy locked cpu, im still running i5 3750k at 4ghz, no really need to upgrade, though ryzen is tempting
MysticalUndies to aberboy007
8 Oct 17#11
That's a pretty broad statement as I'm sure there are many gamers who'd buy the locked 8400 for gaming. I don't understand how your 3570k @ a poor 4ghz isn't bottlenecking games unless you are using an old gpu. I just upgraded from my old 2500k running at 4.7ghz and that was a huge bottleneck on my gtx 1080 even at 3440*1440, especially for the minimum frame rate. I now run a 7700k @ 5ghz and there was a noticeable difference in being able to maintain 100 fps . I'd have definitely considered the 8400 if I was after a chip now. Check out the bottle necking your chip is doing in the article below.
Not until you factor into the price of a motherboard though, only X370 boards are available, which are more expensive and geared towards overclocking. It's a wasted board on a locked 8400, and around £40-50 more expensive than B350 board that you could pair with the R5 1600.
The i5 will be much better value once they release the B360 boards for it early next year, until, and until the 8000 series chips are more availible, they're hard to reccommend.
MysticalUndies to PhattyHUKD
8 Oct 17#18
I agree that a z series board is overkill for a locked cpu but at least it provides upgrade potential. If I were buying a cpu with gaming in mind then the intel is a no brainer. Looking at those figures for gaming you are getting an average frame rate 20fps lower when using ryzen and the same 20fps deficit for minimum frame rate. That's like dropping to the next gpu down in a series. It keeps up with the 7700k which used to be the king of gaming chips.
PhattyHUKD to MysticalUndies
8 Oct 17#19
What upgrade potential exactly? The Z370 boards will be obsolete once the full 300 range launches next year. It's far better value to wait for the new boards and buy an i5 8400 with a B360 or lower tier board, rather than overspend on a Z370 now to pair with a locked chip.
MysticalUndies to PhattyHUKD
8 Oct 17#21
I don't disagree with that but I believe it's worth the 40 quid more for the mobo if I wanted a processor right now in this price range. By upgrade I meant if someone wanted to put the i7 k series in at a later date. There's no way another gen chip will be released for the 300 series chipset. DDR5 is no doubt arriving next year too.
Uncommon.Sense to MysticalUndies
8 Oct 17#22
DDR5 specification is only due to be finalised by JEDEC next year, you'll then be looking at 12-18 months before it comes to market, so late 2019, early 2020.
Z370 at £100-110 isn't a bad deal with the i5-8400, and no need to overclock it to get the most from the CPU, no messing around having to by specific RAM either, just generic DDR4 will be fine.
AMD really have their work cut out now at this price point, even more so in Jan '18 when the B360 board are around at £60-70. Maybe the 12nm refresh in Feb/Mar will give them a leg up again. :smile:
PhattyHUKD to MysticalUndies
8 Oct 17#26
That's fair enough. I'm by no means calling the coffee lake chips bad, btw. I think they're really good performance-wise. I just think the value of the locked chips is missing that key ingredient of a cheaper motherboard to pair with them. Once they come out, I think most budget conscious PC builders will be looking towards them over Ryzen chips.
Fair point, but who would cheap out on a CPU they can't overclock to then pair it with a premium motherboard to use expensive high speed RAM with it?
gummby to MysticalUndies
8 Oct 17#20
I think this latest range of i5 will be EOL in 12 months. You in effect would only be upgrading to one of the chips released today. This chip won't slot into the next release be it Cannon lake or Ice lake. There is a new high end chipset out in H2 2018 for Coffeelake. The H370 is only a stopgap to get Coffee Lake onto the market? Or are they planning a new platform for 8+ cores?
Overall Intel is in panic mode and is scrambling to release new products to compete with AMD. There's no way it would of really wanted to replace Kabylake so fast. Tick, tock process seems to of speeded up due to losing market share.
Be interesting to see how AMD does in 2018.
Not saying the Coffee Lake chips are bad. Just think about where Intel is heading as the picture is changing every few months right now.
cascadde to PhattyHUKD
8 Oct 17#25
The Z370 boards also allow for higher RAM speeds (which can have a noticeable effect in games) and allows you to enable all core max frequency boost. Z370 certainly cost a bit more, £15 is more realistic, but they do offer beneficial extras.
gummby
8 Oct 17#10
For me I would wait for market to settle now Coffeelake has been released. Might see some AMD price cuts? AMD Ryzen is due a refresh early next year. Feb-Apr 2018? Question is will the refreshed Ryzen chips slot straight into the same AM4 sockets?
Overall downside to Coffeelake and other Intel chips is longevity. They keep releasing new chips which EOL old chips that are not compatible with the current chipsets. Kabylake lasted about 8-9 months? SkylakeX and Kabylake X? Few months in and some of these could be discontinued.
Next year the Coffeelake chips are set to be replaced too. Plus another new chipset. So these Coffee Lake chips will be eol in 9-12 months time and not compatible. Of course if you intend to buy them now and hold onto them for 8-10 years it hardly matters.
The other argument is that 8-10% here or there won't make a huge difference. Most games run fine with 4 cores albeit 6-8 cores is future proofing yourself. Mordern CPU are very strong for daily pc usage.
So Intel - Short life of chipset. Strong performance but can be overclocked. New motherboard required. AMD - AM4 might last another 12-16 months? Chance to upgrade? Cheaper motherboards. Extra 6 threads. Albeit performacne to intel may be 8-9% lower in some cases. Some AMD Ryzen 5 products now come with 8 cores enabled? Mistake or intended by AMD?
At Present my Ryzen 1600 seems to manage most things well.
GwanGy
8 Oct 17#12
Some AMD Ryzen 5 products now come with 8 cores enabled? Mistake or intended by AMD?
Nevr heard anything about this ?
GAVINLEWISHUKD to GwanGy
8 Oct 17#13
The suggestion was they were running low on Ryzen 5 chips (ones binned as Ryzen 5) and with Intel going to release coffee lake they just wanted the sales so essentially let out chips that were due to be Ryzen 7 (which they were sitting on stock) out as Ryzen 5. As AMD had already paid for the wafers they have not actually lost out.
Many were hoping somebody had found a way of unlocking the extra cores but it seems not.
If AMD is running low on stock on Ryzen 5 we could see a fairly quick ramp to Ryzen refresh in the new year. Still suprised Intel had to price it lower than AMD. When have they ever done that?
llukejames
8 Oct 17#17
running a i5 3570k over clocked 4.2ghz a beast bought in May 2013 for £150. best thing ever
geordibbk
8 Oct 17#23
Nice find op, great cpu.
Oneday77
8 Oct 17#24
When everyone is banging on about this chip being better than that chip etc. How honest are the benchmarks and how relevant is it to the average gamer? Games improve more when the CPU is bottle necking the GPU. Most reviews I read about any CPU have 1080 Ti cards in, to put the stress on the CPU. So would an 8400 really make much of a difference against say a 1500X or 1600? It’s all well everyone talking absolute performance. That is only reached when your budget of components is properly matched. A gamer will spend more on the GPU but would they really pair a 1080 Ti with a lower Tier CPU? I doubt ur
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I bought a 1700 from FR and UK on launch (not knowing which would arrive first). Cost me £17~ to send it back to FR with suitable insurance.
UK wouldn't help me, plus no instant chat in English (they will only talk French), you have to send an email and wait.
i5 8400 Amazon
This PC gamer review shows that it performs is pretty immense for a relatively cheap cpu. For gaming it is an awesome chip.
pcgamer.com/int…rs/
Seems Ryzen has forced Intel to be a bit more competitive which is great for consumers.
(The perceived wisdom is that it's less good for Intel shareholders, but then again having worthwhile upgrade options might halt/reverse the decline of the desktop market which might be good for Intel in the longer term - but then shareholders and the financial markets are seldom interested in the longer term.)
Current problem with CoffeeLake is both the limited available (just a bit more than a paper launch for the 'K' chips), and that Intel only launched the Z370 chipsets. Z370-only means the cheapest motherboard is £100 vs around £60-£80 for a AM4 B350 motherboard. Something like the i5-8400 or even the new quad core i3-8100 really are better matched to £60 or B350 or H370 motherboard but it seems they will only come much later.
At least Intel's locked chips come with a heatsink/cooler - unlike the 'K' models - but the AMD coolers are better.
Old gen i5 vs new gen
The i5 will be much better value once they release the B360 boards for it early next year, until, and until the 8000 series chips are more availible, they're hard to reccommend.
If I were buying a cpu with gaming in mind then the intel is a no brainer. Looking at those figures for gaming you are getting an average frame rate 20fps lower when using ryzen and the same 20fps deficit for minimum frame rate. That's like dropping to the next gpu down in a series. It keeps up with the 7700k which used to be the king of gaming chips.
By upgrade I meant if someone wanted to put the i7 k series in at a later date. There's no way another gen chip will be released for the 300 series chipset. DDR5 is no doubt arriving next year too.
Z370 at £100-110 isn't a bad deal with the i5-8400, and no need to overclock it to get the most from the CPU, no messing around having to by specific RAM either, just generic DDR4 will be fine.
AMD really have their work cut out now at this price point, even more so in Jan '18 when the B360 board are around at £60-70. Maybe the 12nm refresh in Feb/Mar will give them a leg up again. :smile:
Fair point, but who would cheap out on a CPU they can't overclock to then pair it with a premium motherboard to use expensive high speed RAM with it?
pcper.com/new…018
Overall Intel is in panic mode and is scrambling to release new products to compete with AMD. There's no way it would of really wanted to replace Kabylake so fast. Tick, tock process seems to of speeded up due to losing market share.
Be interesting to see how AMD does in 2018.
Not saying the Coffee Lake chips are bad. Just think about where Intel is heading as the picture is changing every few months right now.
Overall downside to Coffeelake and other Intel chips is longevity. They keep releasing new chips which EOL old chips that are not compatible with the current chipsets. Kabylake lasted about 8-9 months? SkylakeX and Kabylake X? Few months in and some of these could be discontinued.
Next year the Coffeelake chips are set to be replaced too. Plus another new chipset. So these Coffee Lake chips will be eol in 9-12 months time and not compatible. Of course if you intend to buy them now and hold onto them for 8-10 years it hardly matters.
The other argument is that 8-10% here or there won't make a huge difference. Most games run fine with 4 cores albeit 6-8 cores is future proofing yourself. Mordern CPU are very strong for daily pc usage.
So Intel - Short life of chipset. Strong performance but can be overclocked. New motherboard required.
AMD - AM4 might last another 12-16 months? Chance to upgrade? Cheaper motherboards. Extra 6 threads. Albeit performacne to intel may be 8-9% lower in some cases. Some AMD Ryzen 5 products now come with 8 cores enabled? Mistake or intended by AMD?
At Present my Ryzen 1600 seems to manage most things well.
Nevr heard anything about this ?
Many were hoping somebody had found a way of unlocking the extra cores but it seems not.
How honest are the benchmarks and how relevant is it to the average gamer? Games improve more when the CPU is bottle necking the GPU. Most reviews I read about any CPU have 1080 Ti cards in, to put the stress on the CPU. So would an 8400 really make much of a difference against say a 1500X or 1600?
It’s all well everyone talking absolute performance. That is only reached when your budget of components is properly matched. A gamer will spend more on the GPU but would they really pair a 1080 Ti with a lower Tier CPU? I doubt ur