ColourBlackReclining Positions3 PositionsDimensions (WxDxH in cm)43 x 42 x 62.5 cmIsofix CompatibleNoMaximum Child Weight18 kgMinimum Child Weight1 kgMinimum AgeBirthProduct TypeCar SeatsSeat attachment type (Method of attaching seat to car)Vehicle Seat BeltSeat restraining type (Method of restraining child in seat)Vehicle Seat BeltSeating PositionFront & Rear FacingTypeCar SeatsWeight Range0kg-18kgBrandHarmony
17 comments
jdRiggs
24 Sep 17#1
It is rear facing for too short a time. Legally baby must rear face to 9 months, the new legislation recommends to 13kg approx (15 months)
according to their own website: This group 0/1 carseat is suitable for newborns up to 10kg in the rear-facing position, and for your toddler in the forward-facing position from 9-18kg harmonyjuvenile.com/uk/…tml
10kg is unlikely to get to 9 months.
SkyBlu75 to jdRiggs
24 Sep 17#11
Legally its 9KG not 9 months.
leannenaidoo56
24 Sep 17#2
Can anyone recommend a cheap rear facing car seat just to take on holiday to be used only for 3 weeks every year . I currentlyhave the joie every stage for daily use
Alyx765 to leannenaidoo56
24 Sep 17#3
I use a Joie Tilt as my spare seat
spinks to leannenaidoo56
24 Sep 17#4
Get on gumtree. Sell when you return.
jdRiggs to leannenaidoo56
24 Sep 17#5
for what age baby / child? If you are only using it for holidays you have time to get a good quality seat on special offer rather than a cheap seat.
It may be better value to invest in a multi stage seat. Then to end up buying multiple seats as your child grows. Like the joie stages it's often on offer.
Even if it's only used 3 weeks of the year you want a strong safe one for peace of mind
Will you take it on the plane each time or are you leaving it at the destination?
leannenaidoo56 to jdRiggs
24 Sep 17#6
He is almost 2 year old. It will stay in South Africa and be used once a year
tdlcraig to leannenaidoo56
24 Sep 17#7
Glad your using rear facing at 2 years old :thumbsup: Plan to use mine until at least that.
leannenaidoo56 to tdlcraig
24 Sep 17#8
I know definitely safer :grin: he will be rear facing till 4 years with our current car seat would love the holiday car seat to also do just that joie tilt seems to be option as mentioned by Alyx765
jdRiggs to leannenaidoo56
24 Sep 17#9
He will only get one visit out of a group 1 seat as they come out of those around 3 and a 1/2.
The joie tilt is a very small seat you won't get a 3 year old to fit comfortably in it.
All extended rear facing seats are a bit more expensive though the Britax two way elite is probably the a value option it is suitable to around age 6 / 25kg. The joie stages goes rear and forward facing though may be a bit more expensive you wouldn't need to get another seat later on joie stages £120
leannenaidoo56 to jdRiggs
24 Sep 17#10
Thanks for the heads up about the Joie tilt. My boy is quite tall for his age as is! We have the Joie every stage and love it was just hoping to spend less on holiday Seat as used once a year but looks like I may not have much of a choice. Possibly Joie stages? lol just saw yr link and suggestion..... thanks :blush:
niggit
24 Sep 17#12
Isn’t it legal for them them to be rear facing until 15months now. Think car seats from next year will have to change sayin front facing from 9kg to 15months. It’s called i sized car seats.
petrolhead2114
24 Sep 17#13
Check you facts here! Rear facing differs from I-size and weight based seats! Don’t let anyone including the trolls on here bully you into anything! gov.uk/chi…les
jdRiggs to petrolhead2114
25 Sep 17#15
Rear facing isn't different to Isize.
Isize is just a newer safety standard regulation that is being phased in it to rear facing car seats.
Not all comply with it. It isn't a legal requirement yet that they do. Though the main manufacturers Britax, Maxi cosi, joie etc have already brought out new rear facing models of their seats that do comply with Isize regulations.
Not surprising as the current legal regulation has no requirement for any side impact protection and the speed limits for testing are very low. nidirect.gov.uk/art…lts
lw89x
25 Sep 17#14
This is Back in stock if you can unexpire OP
petrolhead2114
25 Sep 17#16
No you are wrong! I-size is one standard of child seat that is HEIGHT based! Other car seats not labelled ‘I-size’ are still perfectly safe but are based on the child’s weight (see the section in the previous link under ‘weight based Car seats’) Therefore as every child grows at a different rate the ‘age’ rating on car seats is entirely pointless!
Thanks!
jdRiggs
9 Oct 17#17
I don't understand your response there are TWO regulations running side by side at the moment that apply to rear facing seats. The difference between them is not limited to determining suitability based on height or weight. It is just the most obvious difference.
ANY rear facing seat is EITHER certified to the older standard, that has lower speed impact tests, no side impact testing, uses age as a guideline and no isofix requirement OR the newer Isize standard.
Isize seats based on height as it is now considered a more accurate estimate of car seat suitability than weight as babies come in different shapes and sizes.
The Isize tests HAVE to meet side impact requirements the non Isize seats DO NOT. Some of the more expensive models of non Isize do have side impact protection but they are not required to have it and they are not tested for it. Most of the cheapest ones don't.
All seats are not "perfectly safe" some perform much better than others in crash tests. All are perhaps "perfectly adequate" if your impact happens at 30 mph or less as per the minimum requirement for non i size seats. If your driving is mostly within a 30mph zone any of them should be fine.
Isize seats have isofix to reduce the odds of incorrect installation. Though a correctly fitted belted seat is just as safe in a crash.
Isize seats MUST meet new minimum side impact performance guidelines the older standard car seats are not required to have any side impact test at all.
The isize seat must pass the crash tests at higher, more realistic speeds than the car seats that are not Isize. Some non Isize seats do surpass the min requirements but most of the cheaper ones don't.
There are also extended rear facing seats that go up to 18kg and some to 25kg.
The adac do independent crash testing performance which will show the variation in the quality of seats available. Which? test performance in a crash but also add other factors to the overall rating. The Swedish Plus test is considered one of the very best because it tests the load on the babies neck in a crash.
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according to their own website: This group 0/1 carseat is suitable for newborns up to 10kg in the rear-facing position, and for your toddler in the forward-facing position from 9-18kg
harmonyjuvenile.com/uk/…tml
10kg is unlikely to get to 9 months.
Sell when you return.
It may be better value to invest in a multi stage seat. Then to end up buying multiple seats as your child grows. Like the joie stages it's often on offer.
Even if it's only used 3 weeks of the year you want a strong safe one for peace of mind
Will you take it on the plane each time or are you leaving it at the destination?
Plan to use mine until at least that.
I know definitely safer :grin: he will be rear facing till 4 years with our current car seat would love the holiday car seat to also do just that
joie tilt seems to be option as mentioned by Alyx765
The joie tilt is a very small seat you won't get a 3 year old to fit comfortably in it.
All extended rear facing seats are a bit more expensive though the Britax two way elite is probably the a value option it is suitable to around age 6 / 25kg. The joie stages goes rear and forward facing though may be a bit more expensive you wouldn't need to get another seat later on
joie stages £120
Thanks for the heads up about the Joie tilt. My boy is quite tall for his age as is! We have the Joie every stage and love it was just hoping to spend less on holiday Seat as used once a year but looks like I may not have much of a choice. Possibly Joie stages? lol just saw yr link and suggestion..... thanks :blush:
Rear facing differs from I-size and weight based seats!
Don’t let anyone including the trolls on here bully you into anything!
gov.uk/chi…les
Isize is just a newer safety standard regulation that is being phased in it to rear facing car seats.
Not all comply with it. It isn't a legal requirement yet that they do. Though the main manufacturers Britax, Maxi cosi, joie etc have already brought out new rear facing models of their seats that do comply with Isize regulations.
Not surprising as the current legal regulation has no requirement for any side impact protection and the speed limits for testing are very low.
nidirect.gov.uk/art…lts
I-size is one standard of child seat that is HEIGHT based!
Other car seats not labelled ‘I-size’ are still perfectly safe but are based on the child’s weight (see the section in the previous link under ‘weight based Car seats’)
Therefore as every child grows at a different rate the ‘age’ rating on car seats is entirely pointless!
Thanks!
ANY rear facing seat is EITHER certified to the older standard, that has lower speed impact tests, no side impact testing, uses age as a guideline and no isofix requirement OR the newer Isize standard.
Isize seats based on height as it is now considered a more accurate estimate of car seat suitability than weight as babies come in different shapes and sizes.
The Isize tests HAVE to meet side impact requirements the non Isize seats DO NOT. Some of the more expensive models of non Isize do have side impact protection but they are not required to have it and they are not tested for it. Most of the cheapest ones don't.
All seats are not "perfectly safe" some perform much better than others in crash tests. All are perhaps "perfectly adequate" if your impact happens at 30 mph or less as per the minimum requirement for non i size seats. If your driving is mostly within a 30mph zone any of them should be fine.
Isize seats have isofix to reduce the odds of incorrect installation. Though a correctly fitted belted seat is just as safe in a crash.
Isize seats MUST meet new minimum side impact performance guidelines the older standard car seats are not required to have any side impact test at all.
The isize seat must pass the crash tests at higher, more realistic speeds than the car seats that are not Isize. Some non Isize seats do surpass the min requirements but most of the cheaper ones don't.
There are also extended rear facing seats that go up to 18kg and some to 25kg.
The adac do independent crash testing performance which will show the variation in the quality of seats available. Which? test performance in a crash but also add other factors to the overall rating. The Swedish Plus test is considered one of the very best because it tests the load on the babies neck in a crash.