Showing £379.99 for me:

Why would anybody buy this over a 1070?

free sync monitor already ?

The only thing I can really respond with is - U wot m8?

Worth bearing in mind that the Vega 56 has a higher power consumption than the 1070, which will add up over the years if you're gaming for at least a few hours every day. One comparison I saw put it at around $70 more over 3 years assuming 4 hours a day running at load and average US electricity prices (I think we pay more than them on average). Might not seem like loads, but it's a factor if you're judging price-to-performance.

If I were looking for an upgrade now, it'd be pretty close - I've seen the cheaper 1070s in this price region too (e.g. there was a Zotac one at £344.97 last week). I think the Vega would need to be a bit cheaper or throw in a game code to swing me.

I'm all for people buying them for the sake of competition though! Not a bad price as it is.

I refuse to pay this anyway. They're supposed to have 1070 performance at near 1060 prices, more lies from AMD.

Techspot have just done a big review with 30 games:

techspot.com/rev…64/

They compared the Vega56 with the GTX1070 Founders Edition and a very expensive MSI GTX1070 Gaming X which is over £450:

overclockers.co.uk/msi…tml

Even the MSI GTX1070 Gaming which has a lower clockspeed is over £400:

novatech.co.uk/pro…wcB


Despite this,the reference Vega56 is slightly faster than both the MSI GTX1070 Gaming X and GTX1070 Founders Edition. It also consumes just under 40W more than the aftermarket MSI card. The aftermarket GTX1070 cards tend to consume more power than the more efficient Founders Edition which is not cheap:

Regarding voltage and thermals, the 56 undervolts very well, so forget the headlines numbers unless the review you're reading details this aspect.

It beats the 1070 and at 1440p if you have a freesync monitor (like me) it's a no brainer. Unfortunately for AMD I got bored and bought a 1080Ti instead.

so glad i didn't wait for vega and bought the 1070 when it was <£300

What's the difference between the msi and powercolor one? Nothing other than a couple of quid?

there should be little difference between reference models, they all have the same thermals and the same board. I don't no if there is tiny differences but from my knowledge they should be the same card but with a different brand on them.

I think this card personally is a very good buy at this price if you have the knowledge to tinker with the voltage, there is a lot of headroom from reviews that I've read in terms of making this card a hell of a lot more efficient and a lot cooler. This should help with thermal throttling and may also increase clock frequencies a little if you choose to overclock.

If i was someone who wanted to buy the card and then slot it in and not tinker with it, i would wait for the aib cards to see what they offer, the thermals on the reference cards arn't the best.

Not very good value if most of them come out near £400 delivered. Probably just pre-order one of those Zotac GTX1070s from ebuyer for £340.

Rather have an OC GTX1070 for like £340. Vega 56 is only 5 percent faster than a GTX1070FE and like 2-3 percent overall than a GTX1070 with a half decent factory OC. You can OC GTX1070 very well too and even an OC GTX1070 uses like 40-50w less power at gaming loads.

It gets worse though. I could understand dropping £400 on a video card 12 months ago, because it was the start of the generation and it's still actually worth £400 all this time later.

But in just 6 months this £400 card will be worth like £200 and mid range at best when Volta arrives and batters AMD again. Vega is a bit of a fail really.

Other models now this one is POA:

scan.co.uk/pro…hdm
£383

scan.co.uk/pro…p-h
£389

Scan still have stock on the other models. Overclockers sold out in 20 or so mins today. The link was revealed on their forum 15 mins before 2pm.

Still be interesting to see what performace Vega gains when drivers are updated to suit Vega. Lot of new technology in Vega including HBM2 memory. The base 1070 is cheaper but it's a less well known brand. Can developers tweak old/new games to use Vega more? What will be the the percentage gains from this? Don't base your decisions on testing of the product on day 1. Pascal has been out for over a year now.

I think some expected price circa £350 today. I think that was always unlikely given weaker pound. The $399 excludes VAT.

"Rather have an OC GTX1070 for like £340. "

Then when you are reminded that Volta will probably support Vega features and a number of major games,and consoles also support them,you then were trying to delay things until Volta. The PS4 PRO and XBox One X support FP16 and Vega shaders between them. Far Cry 5 and Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus support FP16:

overclock3d.net/new…h/1
guru3d.com/new…tml

Volta supports mixed precision too,so where does that leave Pascal once it drops??


They tested an aftermarket RX470 with similar clockspeeds last year and it could barely get close to the 6GB model. The 3GB model is nowhere to be seen.


I can understand if a Vega 56 goes over £400 and it gets close to a GTX1080 in pricing I would rather have one of the latter,but at under £400,its not a bad deal,and even the Techspot review was using one of the more expensive full sized GTX1070 cards.

Plus your argument of "waiting" - sure wait for Volta. Then what if Volta does not come as early as you think it will,or Nvidia aims for only the high end first?? You do understand the GTX1080 was in short supply at the beginning and many had to wait months for anything other than the most expensive cards which were the Founders Edition(which I bought):

imgur.com/a/9…iOF

Then people could say,wait another few months for Navi:

forums.anandtech.com/thr…51/

A major Taiwanese newspaper says sometime next year Navi will be on 7NM,but when,who knows??

Then I suppose you will say but wait,for the Nvidia GPU after Volta.

I think its best we agree to disagree and leave it at that!! :stuck_out_tongue:

Spam?

Im not hating on AMD I have used AMD graphics cards for about 15 years. But at this price you might as well get a 1080, its a lot more graphics card for not all that much more money. The 1070 and RX 56 are both massively overpriced and should be filling the 200-280 market. I have a 290 in my machine at the moment but it could do with a refresh. I was hoping this would come in at a sensible price but no.


Also i pointlessly reported your post as spam just to take the higher ground.

Production doesn't start until year end, don't see any consumer stuff arriving in 6 months, per your original post.

Bitcoin comment or the price?

It was mainly the entire message, but if I was to narrow it down I would say the price.

Maybe they should,but even the R9 290 was a £300 to £350 card when it came out,but I don't disagree there is stagnation in the market and you need to also consider the pound is weaker too,so in reality most of these cards would be cheaper.

Look in May 2016:

poundsterlinglive.com/bes…-31

Today its $1.29 to £1. Thats 10% to 15% more on a graphics card price alone - that would place a cheaper £350 GTX1070 as closer to £300 and the Vega56 as under £350.

In November 2013 when the R9 290 launched the rate was $1.63 to £1:

exchangerates.org.uk/GBP…tml

It was 26% stronger when the R9 290 launched at £320:

bit-tech.net/rev…/1/

The R9 290 was a $400 card:
techpowerup.com/rev…90/

If you add inflation to that,it comes up at £390 in todays money(BoE has a calculator on their website).

OTOH,if you got one of those cheap £170 R9 290 cards making the waves on this site a few years ago,you got yourself a real bargain,and it would make all these new cards look terrible value for money.

Who knows,maybe you can get a cheap GTX1070 or Vega56 next year when Volta and Navi drop.

Think I'll pass then.

Massively overstating one feature. PS4 Pro has FP16, Xbox One X doesn't, see how much difference it makes and how well it has been used on Pro? It's mostly irrelevant. Xbox One X destroys the performance of Pro overall. It's a technical footnote, not a huge game changer. Why are you pushing this so hard and pretending that it is? So strange! :thinking:

You are trying to argue for the future of Vega's design the same way people argued for the future of Polaris. It's the same old argument debunked endlessly. X or Y feature for the future in a year, or two or three! It really doesn't stand up or matter enough soon enough. We'll probably be another entire GPU generation on by the time your now low end Vega pulls out anything useful over GTX1070 with FP16!

RX480 v GTX1060 nearly one year after launch. GTX1060 still wins, overclocks better and uses less power. RX580 is a refresh with a big OC over RX480, even that barely beats GTX1060.

My statement was that Vega 56 @ £400, a GTX1070 for £50-£60 less and less power consumption is a good deal. Slightly less performance to the tune of a meager few percentage points, considerably less power consumption and cheaper. £60 is a lot for a small percent gain over a big range of modern games. You want to pay let's say 15 percent more for 5 percent more performance. Fine, your prerogative. But those are the facts today we are dealing with.

Don't obfuscate.

My point is also simply that a £400 card offering next to no extra performance over a £400 card 12 whole months ago isn't the greatest idea or the greatest deal at this stage of the GPU generation lifecycle. It was a warning about the potential short lifespan/value of a £400 video card like this.

I didn't say 'wait for Volta' at any stage. Feel free to point this out. Don't twist or misinterpret my statements, cheers.

Setting up a straw man argument doesn't work for any intelligent user on this site.

Q4 2017 mass production of Volta. That's 3 months of full production by mid March. tweaktown.com/new…tml

Do you have any comment at all on Hynix essentially giving the game away by revealing a GDDR6 high end graphics card by early 2018? Their words.

I assume not. Keep up to date old chap.

End of the day a £400 reference blower Vega 56 isn't exactly red hot value compared to a £340 aftermarket cooled GTX1070 is it??

I don't know why anyone would even argue with that observation.

I'd buy this and undervolt it but not at £400 maybe £300 but not 4, the card is hot, power hungry and late to the game, drivers are no where near ready and by the time they are it's a gd chance volta will at least be announced, I like amd and do want then to do well, ryzen and threadripper are gr8 the rx480 was ok the 580 was a stupid overclocked and power hunger 480, vega was overhyped and now over priced, in order for me to pick this over a 1070 or even 1080 I need some compensation for the power consumption and waiting and hoping for btr drivers, that should be in the form of a lower price at retail and you'd be forgiven for thinking that shouldn't be a problem for amd that's what they do, it's always been the same, hot, power hungry but cheaper as a result, but here it's just silly and there cutting there own throat.

By the time we get proper stock and not just dribs n drabs, and by the time prices fix themselves It will be too late these cards will end up selling for £200 because they'll be surpassed, if nvidia were smart they'd just release a volta gtx 1270 and destroy vega sales and soak up all those disappointed by vega, price it under vega 56 beat it in price, perf and power usage, also catch all those looking to upgrade, the longer NVidia wait the btr vega prices will get and the more these cards will sell, mostly to many living in hope of drivers to come or perf down the line by which point it won't really matter it will be oldish hat, fury was the same way.

Did any of you buy one purely to re-sell? Seems like some nice profit could be made out of miners

Miners are not interested, it is too power hungry, does not perform very well compared to less expensive, less power hungry Rx470/ Rx480, so at 395, you'd not be flipping it very easily.... Only flipping you'd be doing is "flipping heck, why did I buy this graphics card"

This thread is funny. The amount of people who already have Nvidia graphics cards but still come to the thread to moan about someone else making their own choice is hilarious. The classic line is always " I tried to wait for Vega but I went for a 1080Ti".

I waited for Vega.

And I've bought nothing.

£400 for a Vega 56? Are you really that ignorant? It's £379 or £383 depending on which you bought. Stop undermining yourself continually, laughable.

I guarantee you will not be able to buy a consumer Volta card for delivery within the month of March.

Now, go find an Nvidia/Intel post to shake your pom poms at, good boy.

Yes, bought one for that reason.



Wrong, it performs very well (compared to the 64 etc), with the right modifications you can hit 38-40MH/s at very reasonable power indeed. In that sense it's amazingly efficient.
I have a Ti as I jumped on a deal I found and posted here back in July, £608 for a Ti was too good to pass up. Previous cards were a Fury and then a GTX.

Vega 56 is worthwhile, Vega 64 not so much.

This deal was for £395. The current cheapest one on Scan with delivery is £401. So that's £401 for a reference card with a blower cooler noisier at load than the reference GTX1080TI cooler.

Then it's wondered why a £340 AIB GTX1070 pre order might be considered a better deal :wink:

I can provide sources that say early 2018 for Volta and all indications point there. You saying and 'guaranteeing' otherwise is worthless.

Maybe take the Nvidia bandana off and open your eyes, there's helpful hints all through this thread, like post #1 or several others.

Add your own opinion to the "worthless" pile:


You know nothing of Volta, I also know nothing of Volta, this thread isn't about Volta.

Many thanks m8 but i have smart meters and they dont do them yet gutted as alot cheaper and the cheapest i could find was 0.015

Yep, by the time of my post they were back to nearly £400 as you well know.

Go on the website and order those cards for that price right now. The deal of those prices was for a split second and then removed. Which is why it says £395 at the top of the page. It was a very short lived price that was stopped almost immediately.

Right now, the cheapest price for Vega 56 card on that site is £395 collected at a depot, a bit more if you want it to your door. Fact.

Of course you know nothing about Volta that much was obvious, I had to tell you all about it and correct you!

You mean apart from this one?

scan.co.uk/pro…p-h

And the mentioned in post #1 and those after? Or the one I ordered for £380?

Go shill.

Ahh you mean the prices nobody got one for as it lasted about 15 minutes, hence the title of the deal IS STILL £395.

£390 in your link and what's that? £5 if you go and pick it up from a parcel shop and £11.50 delivered to your door?

So £395 then at the cheapest for the 98 percent of us that don't live within 10 miles of Bolton. Pretty much the price I said at the same time yesterday when I posted that reply.

Congratulations for making my point.

Making your point? You had no point, you've made that abundantly clear.

Those prices went live at 09:05am yesterday and it was available even earlier today, the one for £383 was available until about 2 hours ago. The £389 hasn't ever been POA.

It's Scan, anybody in to PC equipment should be registered with Hexus to receive the free P&P, many are, myself included.

Answer me this, why did you even bother to visit this post, and every other post unrelated to your interest? I can't find a single AMD post where you've ever exhibited a desire to buy the product you're commenting on.

In every single case you create negativity, conflict and arguments with multiple people.

Those prices weren't available earlier today. I checked. I checked again this morning right after you replied first thing. Those prices lasted about 20 minutes yesterday and then they were gone, which is why the price on here still says £395. Which is why delivered they are still £395 today.

That's it. Really you complaining about those factual observations and making personal remarks is useless.

I replied because you're arguing and insisting that it is cheaper when blatantly it isn't. It wasn't when I made that post yesterday, it wasn't when I checked this morning, and it still isn't now.

You perceive that as negative but it isn't my fault!

The £379 card was available this morning after being POA last night. They have more stock arriving September 1st. The fact you didn't see it isn't my fault, but as you're very clearly not interested in the product I understand your motifs for not being on top of things.

The question you avoided, or rather answered incorrectly was why you post negativity and cause arguments in every single AMD related post, despite having zero interest in purchasing any of them?

It's £395. The deal here is £395. The fact you can't accept THAT isn't my fault. They had no stock at £380 and I checked when I wrote my first reply this morning.

I usually ignore loaded and incorrect questions, it's the best way to deal with such nonsense

Check post #1. Perhaps the 5 hours that passed between that post being made and me ordering one @ £379.99 delivered is a mere coincidence. :popcorn:

Anybody ordering from Scan should be using the free postage offered via Hexus:
forums.hexus.net/sca…tml

This is just ridiculous. It's no way near that much more 'expensive' to run over that period. And 4 hours a day? Presumably the person in your example is unemployed and just games all day.

Just sold the Vega 56 I ordered for £485. Nice timing on the 50% FVF offer last night.

Might get myself some Nvidia pom poms so I can join the gang.

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Yes post 1, about 15 minutes after the deal was created and then shortly after that the price was changed and gone again. Which is why the post wasn't edited to reflect a brief, extremely short period of lower price.

Perhaps you struggled to realise that at the moments we were actually talking hours later you just conveniently 'forgot' they weren't £380 and were in fact £395 as the deal still says.

Carry on.

Aside from the fact I ordered one 5 hours after the post #1 was made?

Try again.

Course you did, course you did :thumbsup:‌ :thumbsup: who else would spend even £380 on a terrible reference blower cooled one of these

Carry on mate

Yeah... course I did. ROFL

Order time? 17:20pm... clown.

What would make you slightly less acidic on these forums? I'll buy you something with the proceeds.

‌ :poop:‌ :poop:‌ :poop:

Shame there is no order time and therefore not at all proof. Nice try though!

Enjoy your reference blower Vega :rage:‌ :sunglasses:

Clutching at straws here really aren't you. Plus it's becoming more and more clear that you actually have difficulty reading english, or you're painfully ignorant.

The card is already sold, wipe your eyes you have :poop: in them.

What do you mean? Your evidence that you could buy it much later on for the price you harp on about is an order without a timestamp! Not exactly Columbo levels of proof here :fearful:

You couldn't shortly after the prices rebounded and it was £395 hence the price in the title. The deal is still this price even though technically it's also really expired. I don't know why you are still arguing.

Like I said, enjoy your blower reference Vega.

You mean like this? Like I said.... you're FULL OF ‌ :poop:


Nice profit indeed, clown.

What's your point? That order emails happen immediately (they don't always) or that you can easily photoshop/manipulate an email timestamp in about 3 seconds flat? Since you have clearly already been busy in a photo editing program here.........it's an email time, not an order time from Scan themselves.

Look your 'proof' is never going to be conclusive. You can carry on raging about it but at this point I don't really care.

The fact you basically are saying you are a scalper and apparently selling the card on doesn't impress me nor should it impress anyone else. On your bike scalper

My point is that you're absolutely completely up to your eye balls in :poop: , full to the brim.

Why you think I'd take the time to hoodwink you over an email confirmation when I've been stating the whole time you're wrong is beyond me and is testament to you ignorant malignant personality.


FYI I used Snippit, which as you'll be aware isn't going to win any prizes for photo editing. More so I edited them because I knew ahead of time exactly what sort of person you are. Send me your address and I'll send you the invoice, or perhaps you want me to share a shadowplay of my inbox, just so as you know absolutely and with no shadow of a doubt that you're wrong - let me know which method meets the vulcanproject troll accreditation and I'll accommodate you.


Go crawl back under your rock. :popcorn:

Wait, are you really calling someone a liar without even trying the paper napkin math yourself?

You are telling someone 'not to spread rubbish' by posting your own rubbish.

100 watts extra on the Vega card.

techpowerup.com/rev…tml

(stock it is actually 86 watts higher, we can use that number, no problem, math is easy).

86 watts extra.

86 watts per second * 4 hours * 3 years * 365 days (ok who games EVERY day?)
86 W/s * 60 seconds * 60 minutes * 4 hours * 3 years * 365 days is the answer in Watts. We divide by 1,000 to get our KWatts consumed.

But let's keep it really simple.

100 watt light bulb. We are talking about a lightbulb worth of power.

Over 3 years, 4 hours a day, right?

It would take 10 hours to make a 100 watt bulb generate 1 KWH (Kilowatt hour) of electricity.

This costs around 15 pence.

15 pence per 10 hours of gaming. Or 1.5 pence per hour of gaming.

We've got a simple number!

3(years)*4(hours)*365(days per year) * .015 (price in pounds)

This equals £65.7

So, you probably owe our friend an apology, you are simply wrong. He's nearly perfectly right, try your own paper napkin math, it'll help you appreciate electricity value correctly.

Actually the hilarious point you missed here is that when I said that these cost £400 and that would make a £340 GTX1070 a very good deal by comparison you cried and said they don't cost £400 to try and form an argument against my valid observation. As if you could just grab them easily everywhere all the time for less than £400.

Then you admit to being a dirty scalper and selling them at inflated prices in a MASSIVE twist of irony proving my point once again, how expensive they all are in the current market as they obviously aren't available at that price for anything other than extremely short periods!



I'll think I'll pass on being friendly and nice to low down scalpers using this site for dealings like that.

But you see, after all of those words....

YOU ARE STILL WRONG :grin:

Oh and reference the site, you're right, looking at your profile you've posted 2 deals in this year, and none since April. Go find some deals, you know... be helpful.

Profit? I'll happily turn a profit and make no apology what so ever. A scalper is a fine label. Ping me over your address, I'll send you some flowers to cheer you up. :lipstick:

Reading back over this thread just now... you don't half sound like a tool. I dread to think what you're like in person, so angry... you need help!

You're an admitted scalper.

Literally everything you comment about anyone else's personality or activity on this site is instantly invalid.

Excuse me for not believing anything you claim or wanting to be bessie mates with you.

I tied you in some lovely knots and proved you wrong, multiple times. I've admitted making money... yes, established, lots of money.

You still don't have the balls to admit you're wrong, but that's ok, everyone else can see you're full of :poop:‌ :wink:

For a 31 year old I'd expect more, you're weak.

Ahhh 'feedback'. I'll take feedback from scalpers under advisement.

So what you are saying is that you bought one in the short period where they were available for a lower price before being removed. As was mentioned many times by me. Then you sell it on a couple days later for a bunch more because indeed you can't really get them for the lower price.

Which is the main reason why you started an argument trying to prove to me they were available for below that price. :grin:

I'm fairly dying of irony overload at that outcome.

Be sure to order Volta like you said, it'll kind of make Vega pointless if Pascal didn't a year ago anyway.

Saw that on Reddit, looks very positive, with undervolt and overclock.

I hope no one wants to play Destiny 2 with a vega. This data is using the AMD Destiny "optimised" driver too.
Destiny 2 with various GPUs
Ouch... Those min frame rates.

The Beta isn't optimised, but what optimisation has occurred has been for Intel/Nvidia systems which is why as of now Ryzen CPU's are also terrible with the game - SMT isn't working and none of the logical cores are enabled, i.e your 16 core CPU just became an 8 core.

They'll fix it before launch, but I'd suggest anybody with AMD hardware boycott it until they do.