I hope so. But have you seen Intel drop the price of any other generation? Just look at 4th and 6th gen i7s. They are still the same price as this 7th gen.
Reason being is intel change their mobos so often that anyone with the 170 or 270 series won't be able to use the 8th gen making this the fastest option for those who own one of those mobos already who want to upgrade.
Reason is 4790k still beats most of Ryzen cpus (I own one and I would not sell it). Intel is very reliable in time, compared to AMD. Do you honestly think Ryzen R7 1700 will be relevant after 4 years? Dreams... Even i7 2600k (Q1 2011) is still a competition to Ryzen cpus.
vulcanproject
29 Aug 17#3
For this precise processor, it's the cheapest I seen in a little while. For sure. If you want this, here is the price.
There is a but coming though, of course there is always a but.....
.....In less than a couple months you'll probably be able to buy an 8700 with 6 cores and 12 threads that beats up an 8 core Ryzen 1700 for around this price. So it might not be the best buy unless you have a board for this and a slower existing CPU. Even then it probably isn't.
Joshimitsu91 to vulcanproject
29 Aug 17#4
Or just buy the Ryzen now.
You can always wait for the next big release, why buy an 8th gen i7 when you can wait for Ryzen 2?
vulcanproject to Joshimitsu91
29 Aug 17#6
Because Coffee Lake is like a month away.
Whereas Ryzen 2 is at least 12 months away.
I don't know about you but there is a slight difference there.
wizk1 to vulcanproject
29 Aug 17#7
Agreed, I'm expecting big things from Coffee Lake since AMD has started applying the pressure for the first time since the Athlon days.
Oneday77 to vulcanproject
29 Aug 17#8
The best thing we can do as consumers, assuming it meets our needs. Is to buy AMD, give Intel a burst nose and get them to be more price competitive and then blow AMD away again. Then hopefully AMD have their finger on the pulse and come back with a strong response. Rinse and repeat, giving us better products for less cash.
CosminD83 to Oneday77
29 Aug 17#21
Ryzen is all hype unfortunately. 7700k owns all Ryzen cpus in gaming, and Cofee Lake will be a lot better than all Ryzen series. AMD are pulling desperate moves with Ryzen, and their drivers stink.
Oneday77 to CosminD83
29 Aug 17#24
What if you don't use a PC for gaming. Then where do you stand with 7700k? I keep forgetting PCs are only for gaming.
Nate1492 to Oneday77
30 Aug 17#28
There are definitely different uses outside of gaming.
But don't be fooled, many of those use cases are actually single threaded hogs.
If you are not *rendering* with software, or something that is absolutely multi thread aware and has a strong benefit from it, the 7700k will beat the Ryzen lineup.
Excel? Photo Editing? The entire office suite of programs?
If you don't know for sure, then you likely would get the best experience from the 7700k.
If you are a streamer who doesn't have a dedicated box and has chosen software rendering (Why?) then you would have a benefit from Ryzen.
If you are looking to create a computer shared by multiple people (at the same time) Threadripper could be quite good.
But even still, if you know what you need and have a use case for way too many cores, you already know.
CosminD83 to Oneday77
30 Aug 17#31
If you do not use your PC for gaming, then you fall into 2 categories: 1) casual internet browsing/social media/movies, the you do not need an expensive cpu and this post is not for you 2) you make money with your PC by creating content, then Ryzen is for you. Most users are buying high-end cpus for gaming, that is why others do not matter much.
Oneday77 to CosminD83
30 Aug 17#32
I prefer category 3) Edit thousands of photos and like to create 4K video of the family. Whilst being able to casually use my PC and archive all my optical media to a NAS to share round the house. I guess I'll have to wait for them to create a processor for that pigeon hole I've dug myself into.
CosminD83 to Oneday77
30 Aug 17#33
Any cpu from the last 3-4 years can do that. You do not need i7 or Ryzen. Editing photos and creating 4k videos are basic tasks.
Oneday77 to CosminD83
30 Aug 17#34
Neither does your average gamer. What was the debate about again?
Let's just call it a day. At the end of it competition is good. Consumers win from it and we can all buy what ever the flying dogs danglies we want.
funkybot4 to CosminD83
31 Aug 17#36
Difference in gaming negligible, so you won't even notice it. If you game in 4K then Ryzen is on par or pulling ahead, depending on the game. In multitasking, video editing etc., it's beating the Intel. Must be nice living in the fantasy fanboy world.
CosminD83 to funkybot4
2 Sep 17#37
I have owned only AMD cpus from 2003 to 2016. I am far from being a fanboy. In 2016 I bough a i7-4790K. That was the moment I realized what an idiot I was believing AMD is better. There is no Ryzen cpu making me buy it over the i7-4790k. And the 7700K is even better than 4790k. After 5 years of development they have caught from behind Intel's 2-3 years old cpus. That's it. I can say I was an AMD fanboy for 14 years. I am tired of their promises and overhype. And they are not cheap compared to Intel. At all. Intel have proven cpus to deliver and be reliable even after 6-7 years (2500k and 2600k). Can AMD do that? Do you really think Ryzen will be of use after 6-7 years? Yeah, Intel might not play fair, but at least they work and deliver for a long time, you do not feel you wasted your money and have to upgrade every year.
Nate1492 to Oneday77
29 Aug 17#23
The best thing we can do as a consumer is *buy the best processor for our own needs*.
These companies are not some magnanimous entity.
AMD don't have the moral high ground. They have simply failed so frequently so often on the CPU front that people wouldn't dare buy AMD.
Finally, the Ryzen came out and didn't suck. It's got a good use case, rendering, and has ensured cheaper prices.
Leave it at that. Buying a Ryzen doesn't fix anything, buy what's best for you.
Joshimitsu91 to vulcanproject
29 Aug 17#14
Well done on spotting the difference, it was an exaggeration to demonstrate the point.
There is no firm release date, nor any reviews or benchmarks to base any opinion on. As I said, you can always wait for the next release and hope it's enough of an improvement to justify the wait. Or you can buy now if you are in the market and enjoy the product now. It isn't going to vanish into thin air when the next product releases.
Personally I would buy AMD at the moment. They are good CPUs and it would be nice to support the competition AMD is trying to bring back to the market. From what I gather they are also committed to the current socket for a decent length of time, which means you may get in another upgrade in a couple of years time without having to shell out on a new motherboard. This is something you won't get from Intel.
vulcanproject to Joshimitsu91
29 Aug 17#15
Good for you.
In the meantime the leaked benchmarks are already doing the rounds showing 8700K giving Ryzen 1700 a damn good thrashing and appear legit just the same as the leaked details were proven spot on before Coffee Lake was shown.
The same leaks saying they will be at retail in plenty of time for Black Friday this year, on shelves around October time, with Intel confirming a Q4 2017 launch for these parts.
So sure, you could rush out and buy something or you can wait one month, absolutely tops two for Coffee Lake and see where the pieces fall. :wink:
Remember all those people saying wait a month before Ryzen launched? They were right. Well now we have people saying wait a meagre month for Coffee Lake. They are right too.
Joshimitsu91 to vulcanproject
30 Aug 17#29
Well done ignoring all points and just reiterating the same crap you posted before. Is it cosy there in your echo chamber?
Ev0lution to Joshimitsu91
29 Aug 17#25
Oh dear. And here ladies and gentlemen is the very definition of a mark.
Buy AMD because wait, its supporting the competition!
Do you honestly think AMD's big game plan is altruism? Do you seriously believe if they had Intel's market share that they would be any less ruthless at protecting their profits?
Waken up from that dream world you inhabit. None of these companies give a toss about little old fanboy you. All they care about is that little old fanboy you continues to believe the crap you are fed about their main competition, a truly evil competitive entity - and subsequently go on to spout to others - thus keeping little old fanboy you as a customer of theirs.
MysticalUndies to Ev0lution
29 Aug 17#26
I just buy whatever is quickest for gaming as that's what my PC is for. Couldn't care less who makes it.
fishmaster to Ev0lution
29 Aug 17#27
I agree AMD did a sterling job with Ryzen considering their market CAP, however Intel will rip them a new one with Coffee Lake.
Joshimitsu91 to Ev0lution
30 Aug 17#30
Jesus you are an idiot.
I don't own an AMD processor, explain to me how I am a fanboy?
I also don't think AMD are altruistic, but I understand if you let one company run away with the market then you end up getting shafted as a consumer.
There's only one fanboy in this discussion, you've just shown your true colours. Get triggered more :grin:
zebrum
29 Aug 17#5
i get my processors OEM off ebay, super cheap. And the K retails don't come with a fan anyway.
PhilK to zebrum
29 Aug 17#10
Off the "Cheers, Muggsy" retailers on eBay ?
Quickblood to zebrum
29 Aug 17#16
Got a link? I don't see any cheap 7700k on there at the moment.
MysticalUndies
29 Aug 17#9
I want a coffee lake 8700k but I doubt it will be 300 quid. I have a feeling it will be around 400 as leaks have suggested it will launch at the 7700k launch price which was unfortunately not 290.
Minstadave to MysticalUndies
29 Aug 17#11
It'll also probably have terrible TIM between the die and heatspreader and run hot too.
MysticalUndies to Minstadave
29 Aug 17#17
I have no issues with my 7700k @ 5.0ghz. 70 degs under 100% load. In the Destiny beta it doesn't even break a sweat. Hits around 55 degs. If I was running stock 4.2ghz it would be even cooler. I'll be well happy if coffee lake has the same potential!
vulcanproject to MysticalUndies
29 Aug 17#13
There is a good chance it'll be aggressively priced. Intel suggested on their slides that the 8700K is a direct model line replacement for 7700k. All the mainstream models gain two cores and slot into the same market space.
Anything under £350 would be reasonable, because it'll have single threading and gaming performance no AMD competition can touch. It should also be able to beat 8 core Ryzen 1700 and possibly even the 1700X in most multithreaded applications despite being two cores down!
So you can have your cake and eat it, high multi threaded performance, fast single thread AND top level gaming.
MysticalUndies to vulcanproject
29 Aug 17#18
I own a 7700k and still want one, the leaked benchmarks look impressive. Even though it means switching motherboards. Bit annoyed that intel have played that card tbh.
flamethrower
29 Aug 17#12
How is this a deal ?
unconfirmed
29 Aug 17#19
I am showing my appreciation for your contribution
CosminD83
29 Aug 17#20
Best gaming cpu for the money. Period.
CHAOSEN3
30 Aug 17#35
This CPU is a beast at gaming, but I wouldn't buy it brand new at this current moment in time.
See if you can grab one used.
I currently have mine de-lidded and overclocked to 5.1GHz, which idles around 38c.
r200ti
2 Sep 17#38
haha, while we are saying how amazing Intel are, the 'Delidding' comment speaks volumes. my 6700k needs this treatment (one core runs 10c hotter than the others). So glad i dont have a 'glued' together Ryzen....
(dont look at my amazon wish list, my finger slipped and a load of Ryzen stuff fell in)
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But what do you pros and experts think? Fair or foul?
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Reason being is intel change their mobos so often that anyone with the 170 or 270 series won't be able to use the 8th gen making this the fastest option for those who own one of those mobos already who want to upgrade.
6700k
4790k
There is a but coming though, of course there is always a but.....
.....In less than a couple months you'll probably be able to buy an 8700 with 6 cores and 12 threads that beats up an 8 core Ryzen 1700 for around this price. So it might not be the best buy unless you have a board for this and a slower existing CPU. Even then it probably isn't.
You can always wait for the next big release, why buy an 8th gen i7 when you can wait for Ryzen 2?
Whereas Ryzen 2 is at least 12 months away.
I don't know about you but there is a slight difference there.
Is to buy AMD, give Intel a burst nose and get them to be more price competitive and then blow AMD away again.
Then hopefully AMD have their finger on the pulse and come back with a strong response.
Rinse and repeat, giving us better products for less cash.
But don't be fooled, many of those use cases are actually single threaded hogs.
If you are not *rendering* with software, or something that is absolutely multi thread aware and has a strong benefit from it, the 7700k will beat the Ryzen lineup.
Excel? Photo Editing? The entire office suite of programs?
If you don't know for sure, then you likely would get the best experience from the 7700k.
If you are a streamer who doesn't have a dedicated box and has chosen software rendering (Why?) then you would have a benefit from Ryzen.
If you are looking to create a computer shared by multiple people (at the same time) Threadripper could be quite good.
But even still, if you know what you need and have a use case for way too many cores, you already know.
I guess I'll have to wait for them to create a processor for that pigeon hole I've dug myself into.
Let's just call it a day. At the end of it competition is good. Consumers win from it and we can all buy what ever the flying dogs danglies we want.
These companies are not some magnanimous entity.
AMD don't have the moral high ground. They have simply failed so frequently so often on the CPU front that people wouldn't dare buy AMD.
Finally, the Ryzen came out and didn't suck. It's got a good use case, rendering, and has ensured cheaper prices.
Leave it at that. Buying a Ryzen doesn't fix anything, buy what's best for you.
There is no firm release date, nor any reviews or benchmarks to base any opinion on. As I said, you can always wait for the next release and hope it's enough of an improvement to justify the wait. Or you can buy now if you are in the market and enjoy the product now. It isn't going to vanish into thin air when the next product releases.
Personally I would buy AMD at the moment. They are good CPUs and it would be nice to support the competition AMD is trying to bring back to the market. From what I gather they are also committed to the current socket for a decent length of time, which means you may get in another upgrade in a couple of years time without having to shell out on a new motherboard. This is something you won't get from Intel.
In the meantime the leaked benchmarks are already doing the rounds showing 8700K giving Ryzen 1700 a damn good thrashing and appear legit just the same as the leaked details were proven spot on before Coffee Lake was shown.
The same leaks saying they will be at retail in plenty of time for Black Friday this year, on shelves around October time, with Intel confirming a Q4 2017 launch for these parts.
So sure, you could rush out and buy something or you can wait one month, absolutely tops two for Coffee Lake and see where the pieces fall. :wink:
Remember all those people saying wait a month before Ryzen launched? They were right. Well now we have people saying wait a meagre month for Coffee Lake. They are right too.
Buy AMD because wait, its supporting the competition!
Do you honestly think AMD's big game plan is altruism? Do you seriously believe if they had Intel's market share that they would be any less ruthless at protecting their profits?
Waken up from that dream world you inhabit. None of these companies give a toss about little old fanboy you. All they care about is that little old fanboy you continues to believe the crap you are fed about their main competition, a truly evil competitive entity - and subsequently go on to spout to others - thus keeping little old fanboy you as a customer of theirs.
I don't own an AMD processor, explain to me how I am a fanboy?
I also don't think AMD are altruistic, but I understand if you let one company run away with the market then you end up getting shafted as a consumer.
There's only one fanboy in this discussion, you've just shown your true colours. Get triggered more :grin:
Anything under £350 would be reasonable, because it'll have single threading and gaming performance no AMD competition can touch. It should also be able to beat 8 core Ryzen 1700 and possibly even the 1700X in most multithreaded applications despite being two cores down!
So you can have your cake and eat it, high multi threaded performance, fast single thread AND top level gaming.
How is this a deal ?
See if you can grab one used.
I currently have mine de-lidded and overclocked to 5.1GHz, which idles around 38c.
my 6700k needs this treatment (one core runs 10c hotter than the others). So glad i dont have a 'glued' together Ryzen....
(dont look at my amazon wish list, my finger slipped and a load of Ryzen stuff fell in)