Cheapest price ever according to the three camels. Get yourself set up for your Christmas lights with an outdoor socket, cable and RCD.
Full spec:
13A 2 Way Outdoor Mains Socket with RCD and RCD Plug Kit2-Gang, weatherproof socketColour coded terminals with backed out captive screws for easy installationSocket is prewired with 3m of 3-core, 1.25mm² black flex to BS6500Cable end is prepared for wiring direct to the RCD plug
26 comments
simontimmins
10 Aug 17#1
Cheapest price ever according to the three camels. Get yourself set up for your Christmas lights with an outdoor socket, cable and RCD.
Full spec:
13A 2 Way Outdoor Mains Socket with RCD and RCD Plug Kit2-Gang, weatherproof socketColour coded terminals with backed out captive screws for easy installationSocket is prewired with 3m of 3-core, 1.25mm² black flex to BS6500Cable end is prepared for wiring direct to the RCD plug
you_gotta_be_kidding
10 Aug 17#2
Good price but I much prefer the version with the RCD built into the socket, got a double a few months ago for £9.99 from homebase
Well, of course it is, but it has to be fitted by an electrician, whereas the posted deal plugs into a socket, and so it is a user operated appliance. The posted deal gets round the regulations because it is not permanently fitted, but I don't really think it is safe (I am trained as an electrician).
I would not advise anyone to buy or fit this item - get a proper outside socket fitted by an electrician.
steevojohno
10 Aug 17#4
Great price and better daniq
daisyb212
10 Aug 17#6
Where would you plug this in though if it's only a 3m cable? . Thanks
othen to daisyb212
10 Aug 17#7
The idea is you drill a hole through your wall, fit the 3 pin plug on the end of the wire and plug it in to a socket inside your house.
Don't do it though - this is really dangerous practice.
shadey12 to othen
10 Aug 17#8
As dangerous as plugging an extension with a fitted RCD plug top into an indoor socket, Care to explain?
othen to shadey12
10 Aug 17#9
I can't believe you are being serious now! If extension leads were designed to be permanently fitted and trail outside the house then that arrangement would be covered in the BS7671. They are not for really good reasons (taking power outside where there is a real path to earth via lots of extraneous conductors is really dangerous - particularly in houses with TNC-S earthing arrangements).
It is beyond my understanding that people would do this in their own homes and to their own families for the sake of saving perhaps £150 getting a fused spur to an outside socket fitted and tested by an electrician.
Addendum: a quick search just revealed this (The Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1994), it is illegal to sell an appliance without a plug fitted (so, if this is not intended to be permanently fitted it is illegal, if it is intended to be permanently connected it has to be fitted by an electrician):
12.—(1) Subject to the following provisions of this regulation, no person shall supply, offer for supply, agree to supply, expose for supply or possess for supply any appliance unless that appliance is correctly fitted with a standard plug which–
(a)complies with the requirements of regulation 8 above; and
(b)is fitted with a fuse link which conforms to BS 1362 and is rated in accordance with the appliance manufacturer’s instructions, provided that in the absence of such instructions the fuse link may be rated in accordance with Table 2 of BS 1363.
shadey12 to othen
10 Aug 17#10
It's not permanent. It's also not an appliance.
othen to shadey12
10 Aug 17#12
We disagree - in the eyes of the regulations it is either a permanent fitment or it is a user controller appliance - there are no other possibilities. Either way it is dangerous practice.
shadey12 to othen
10 Aug 17#13
Maybe you could contact watchdog or trading standards. Out of interest, if you were using a pressure washer would you prefer to be protected by this RCD or a 13 amp fuse in the fused spur fitted by a sparky? I know what my answer is.
othen to shadey12
10 Aug 17#17
All socket outlets should be RCD protected - normally at the CU, for sockets that may be used for an appliance outside this is a requirement. I think that answers your question.
I still think you would be foolish to fit one of these in your house, or advocate that other people should do so.
shadey12 to othen
10 Aug 17#19
How many houses in this country have no RCD protection at the cu, I would think a sizeable amount.
bseal1947 to shadey12
10 Aug 17#20
You would be correct Shadey. If no RCD at CU then a RCD lead is better protection than none. But I think someone might think I shouldn't have that opinion
shadey12 to bseal1947
10 Aug 17#22
I agree, I would much rather see someone use this (if fitted correctly) than have an extension through a door or window possibly with a separate RCD which could be forgotten about or misplaced. At least with this you have to have the RCD plugged in to use it.
sb170 to othen
10 Aug 17#11
And the fact that people are charged £150 to fit an outside socket is exactly why they would buy the item in the first place. And I'm not going to get into an argument for electricians to justify why they charge what they do, I understand you have trained etc for your ticket and you deserve it. Some people just simply can't afford it so would purchase this.
othen to sb170
10 Aug 17#14
I don't have any personal axe to grind about the money, whilst I'm an electrician I do it more as a hobby (and to maintain my own properties) than I do a business. I still find it incredible that people take such risks with their own property, their lives and those of their family (and to me £150 sounds cheap to be safe).
One day someone's house will burn down or their 5 year old child will be electrocuted as a result of one of these items either not being fitted properly or failing. Then the owner will try to blame someone else (the government, the council, the manufacturer, the picture on the box, the NHS, not having enough attention as a child, not being breastfed, PTSD, BREXIT ... ) but it will be their own fault because they saved a little cash to spend on cigarettes, cider, bingo and Sky TV.
Like shadey above, we disagree - safety is more important than bending the regulations to save money.
shadey12 to othen
10 Aug 17#16
So 3 hours ago you didn't think it was safe, now it's going to burn your house down and kill your kids, scaremongering at its finest.
othen to shadey12
10 Aug 17#18
Do whatever you like.
sb170 to othen
10 Aug 17#21
I agree totally with you about the safety aspect but as I said some people can't afford it and banding those people as smokers , cider drinkers and gamblers just about sums you up. My daughter and her husband with their one child work there nuts off and pay their own way, neither smoke or drink cider and infact can't afford sky TV and they would be one of those families that can't afford to pay that sort of money, :dizzy_face:
bseal1947
10 Aug 17#15
Othen was pointing that an external RCD socket should be supplied from a fused fcu in the house. This allows for isolation of the external socket if needed and protects the cable. This is the best practice to he letter of the wiring regulations. They are there to keep us all safer not just to allow electricians to make money. I am one and trust me we are not all loaded
However I do think that if someone is going to use one of these plug in extensions I would rather it were fitted with an RCD such as this.
woohoo_postingid
10 Aug 17#23
If not buying via PRIME, it's a little cheaper here:
Why would you want an Ethernet connection in your garden? :-)
bobthegorilla
10 Aug 17#25
Hot price, for something that is clearly and obviously perfectly safe if properly fitted and utilised. It's a heck of a lot more safe than the outdoor socket on my house, which was fitted by an electrician according to all applicable regulations and standards (it's just that it was over 30 years ago!).
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Full spec:
13A 2 Way Outdoor Mains Socket with RCD and RCD Plug Kit2-Gang, weatherproof socketColour coded terminals with backed out captive screws for easy installationSocket is prewired with 3m of 3-core, 1.25mm² black flex to BS6500Cable end is prepared for wiring direct to the RCD plug
26 comments
Full spec:
13A 2 Way Outdoor Mains Socket with RCD and RCD Plug Kit2-Gang, weatherproof socketColour coded terminals with backed out captive screws for easy installationSocket is prewired with 3m of 3-core, 1.25mm² black flex to BS6500Cable end is prepared for wiring direct to the RCD plug
amazon.co.uk/d/H…RCD
I would not advise anyone to buy or fit this item - get a proper outside socket fitted by an electrician.
Don't do it though - this is really dangerous practice.
Care to explain?
It is beyond my understanding that people would do this in their own homes and to their own families for the sake of saving perhaps £150 getting a fused spur to an outside socket fitted and tested by an electrician.
Addendum: a quick search just revealed this (The Plugs and Sockets etc. (Safety) Regulations 1994), it is illegal to sell an appliance without a plug fitted (so, if this is not intended to be permanently fitted it is illegal, if it is intended to be permanently connected it has to be fitted by an electrician):
12.—(1) Subject to the following provisions of this regulation, no person shall supply, offer for supply, agree to supply, expose for supply or possess for supply any appliance unless that appliance is correctly fitted with a standard plug which–
(a)complies with the requirements of regulation 8 above; and
(b)is fitted with a fuse link which conforms to BS 1362 and is rated in accordance with the appliance manufacturer’s instructions, provided that in the absence of such instructions the fuse link may be rated in accordance with Table 2 of BS 1363.
Out of interest, if you were using a pressure washer would you prefer to be protected by this RCD or a 13 amp fuse in the fused spur fitted by a sparky? I know what my answer is.
I still think you would be foolish to fit one of these in your house, or advocate that other people should do so.
And I'm not going to get into an argument for electricians to justify why they charge what they do, I understand you have trained etc for your ticket and you deserve it. Some people just simply can't afford it so would purchase this.
One day someone's house will burn down or their 5 year old child will be electrocuted as a result of one of these items either not being fitted properly or failing. Then the owner will try to blame someone else (the government, the council, the manufacturer, the picture on the box, the NHS, not having enough attention as a child, not being breastfed, PTSD, BREXIT ... ) but it will be their own fault because they saved a little cash to spend on cigarettes, cider, bingo and Sky TV.
Like shadey above, we disagree - safety is more important than bending the regulations to save money.
However I do think that if someone is going to use one of these plug in extensions I would rather it were fitted with an RCD such as this.
ebay.co.uk/itm…959
:-)