Well has AMD finally caught up with Intel. Here is one such example that has plenty of power. It may not blow a 7700k away in games. However for actual productivity the 8c/16t 1700 does very well.
This comes with a Wraith Spire RGB cooler included in price. Which apparently is good enough to let you clock this to about 3.9-4.0 GHz. making it far better value than the higher stock speed 1700X and 1800X.
Might not be a super budget processor but for core and thread counts it can't be beaten for value.
All comments (36)
Oneday77
23 Aug 17#1
The camels don't even have this as the lowest price yet.
shu123
24 Aug 17#2
I think this may be after the Intel 8th gen news new i3 almost on par with i7 7700k, the CPU space is about to get really competitive.
Heat for this deal.
belsibub to shu123
24 Aug 17#3
:wink:
Wait for 8th gen pricing,if you think it's going to be comparable with 7th dream on. If the 8700k is under £399 i'd be surprised.
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vulcanproject to belsibub
24 Aug 17#4
Prepare to be very surprised.
shu123 to belsibub
24 Aug 17#5
Knowing intel they're never cheap :disappointed:
Oneday77 to belsibub
24 Aug 17#9
Well at least I can expect the ability to fit Ryzen successors into my new setup in the future. I'm not a gamer anymore so as long as I can see an improvement in video editing, DVD/Bluray ripping and photo editing I'll be happy. My 2500k doesn't cut it anymore.
The_Hoff
24 Aug 17#6
Ignore the trolls, good price.
powerbrick
24 Aug 17#7
buy it quick before they slap another £100 on top of the price :stuck_out_tongue: AMD are good at that.
mackashworth
24 Aug 17#8
Loving my 1700. Didn't go so good on silicon lottery, though. Settled for 3.6GHz on all cores at stock voltage. (Spent a good few hours trying to get stable 3.7GHz+ with voltages up to 1.4 and ultimately gave up.)
Fantastic CPU that has solved my bottleneck on Battlefield 1 64-player maps. (Upgraded from an i5-3570K.)
I make a lot of videos using Adobe Premiere, where it's a big help, too. (I can actually edit images while simultaneously rendering video, which is killer.)
Horrorwood to mackashworth
24 Aug 17#12
Did you increase the soc voltage too?
mackashworth to Horrorwood
24 Aug 17#16
I don't believe I did...
Got any useful guides out there? I don't think I did that with my i5, either. Hmm!
The_Hoff to mackashworth
24 Aug 17#19
What are your specs? Will find you a guide, even bad chips can hit 3.8-3.9 they just need more voltage, but as the other said there are 5-10 things you can change to influence this.
mackashworth to The_Hoff
24 Aug 17#20
MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon 1700 cooled with Evo 212 16GB G.Skill RAM rated for 3733MHz but stable @ 2800MHz right now (Got this as it was cheaper than other 3000MHz RAM, and they honored it.)
(GTX 1070, bunch of storage, 850W PSU Gold)
Thanks!
The_Hoff to mackashworth
24 Aug 17#22
Ok, the first thing I'd say is that the 212 Evo performs roughly the same as the Wraith OEM cooler (also made by CM) though appreciate personal preference and acoustics play a part, you want a Noctua really to up the ante or an AIO. That'll allow you to push for vCore of 1.39/1.40 (wouldn't go higher) without worrying about temps and/or noise. Sell your wraith and your 212 and get a Noctua.
Your board and your memory should be perfect, G.Skill will be Samsung memory so ideal for OCing. For your board, go read the last 10-15 pages of this thread to get to up speed with settings that users have discovered work and tweak +/- as you see fit with proper monitoring of your thermals (HWmonitor), on your CPU you ideally want to be peaking at 70-75deg under stress, but obviously the lower (voltage) the better.
Drop me a PM if you like once you've read up and I can probably offer some of my own advice (not specific to your board) based on my learnings with the CH6. FWIW I've been running 3925ghz @ 1.38 for the last few months with 3466mhz/C14 memory speeds and all my other primary/secondary timings set low. It took a bit of time, but it's worth while.
Oneday77 to The_Hoff
24 Aug 17#23
All good info. I've gone for the Asus Prime X370 Pro so will use your reults as a target :smile: Also got a Great deal on Corsair Dominator 3466 *GB (2x4GB). With luck I'll see how I get on using that, then grab more when a decent price pops up.
There's a load of information on that forum with people that seemingly spend their lives dedicated to shaving a NS of their memory timings, not my idea of fun...
Let me know by PM if I can help when you're up and running.
mackashworth to The_Hoff
24 Aug 17#26
Thanks for this!
I've bookmarked the thread and will give it a go next weekend when I'll have time to get on that overclock grind!
Daveseans
24 Aug 17#10
Couldn't find similar processor with cooler less than this price. Wait till the price-drop at any special occasions :smiley_cat:
groenleader
24 Aug 17#11
Don't know man, those Duron units were weak.
alanbeenthere
24 Aug 17#13
Without Ryzen Intel would still be pumping out 5% IPC increased 4/4 or 4/8 chips.
Oneday77 to alanbeenthere
24 Aug 17#15
So very true. Intel have been milking us for too long. While I do expect Intel to pull something out the bag. The Blue team can do without my cash for a few years.
Nate1492 to Oneday77
24 Aug 17#17
I hear this attitude all the time, but think about it in another way.
Intel has been pumping out small, non mandatory, incremental upgrades for years while AMD failed repeatedly.
That isn't milking, that is progress in the face of stagnation.
Instead of just always pushing for faster GHz, Intel took time to greatly improve performance per watt.
Look at the 15 watt chips they make, without this progress, there couldn't have been nearly as much progress in the laptop market.
Now with AMD back on board, the benefit to the consumer is indeed good, competition always brings out price reductions, but you'd be remiss to think that Intel is 'milking' anyone.
They are a business, they put a product out that is bought by people, if someone want it, they buy it, if not, they don't.
It's just standard economics, there is no evil intent.
Oneday77 to Nate1492
24 Aug 17#21
I get that in the absence of competition, Intel didn't need to make large strides in performance. Again chasing the lower power consumption is beneficial to everyone.
Where Intel has annoyed me is the lack of continued support for Motherboard Chipsets and sockets. I'm pretty confident that Intel could have delivered most 5% incremental changes without changing sockets so frequently. DDR4 support probably being the biggest exclusion to that. 775 saw lots of revisions and various Q processors fit. Why did 1155 have to change to 1150 so quickly? 1156 to 1155 was understandable with such a change in performance and architecture.
This should be good times for consumers now. I certainly hope so.
Nate1492 to Oneday77
25 Aug 17#31
AMD have changed MOBOs at the same pace. There are tons of features that people want, and they need new chipsets for this.
M.2, USB 3.1, more PCI lanes, faster PCI lanes, just tons of incremental upgrades that wouldn't exist without a socket change.
Intel don't stand to make money on forcing a new socket, that's almost entirely profits for motherboard manufacturers.
It's too restrictive on chip making and technology upgrades to force backward compatability, it would end up costing us more in terms of CPU
chojin
24 Aug 17#14
Hmmm tempting :sunglasses:
GwanGy
24 Aug 17#18
wHile the home market inc gmers is significant the real large money is made from bizness ... so intel brings out a staedy stream of CPUS with enough of an increase every year, to make upgrading every three years a sensible option . When amd start to be taken seriously again in the oem/bizness world THEN intel will really start to move ... you know like , reduce their margins from 60% to only 45%. And I think intel reduce watts not because they give a fig about the planet, but because govt would prbably mandate it, so they just try to stay ahead of the curve and garner soem good press. Anyway I,m waiting til after xmas to see what the prices are like then.. altho they could go UP as the GBP sinks further against the dollar/euro/rennimbi :nerd:
paddy.stone
24 Aug 17#25
Running my 1700 with an ASrock b350m pro 4 board, using corsair vengeance 3000 rated ram... got the 1700 Oc'ed to 3.85Ghz on 1.325 with LLC it goes to 1.375max vcore, and using the wraith spire cooler.. gets a little toasty when atress testing, but under normal loads tops out around 80 or so. I have other coolers, but the wraith does the job fine with the voltage I'm using, and is nice and quiet... SOC voltage of 1.2 max. Also have my system set for p-states to lower frequency and voltage when it can, saves a fair amount of power and heat that way. I recommend using the ryzen master to test CPU limits, that way you can actually just try out stuff to see what works in windows itself... especially if you get a b350 board as it doesn't have options to change the SOC or use an adaptive voltage. Just remember to leave the side panel off when trying to figure out a stable OC as you might have to reset CMOS, also update the motherboard to the latest as soon as you get it up and running, the AGESA BIOS updates help with RAM compatability. I have my 3000Mhz RAM running at 3066 for now. Am using a thermaltake core v21 case which has a 200mm fan for intake and a noctua 140mm fan for exhaust, have them set to a modest 40% speed for under 45C, and a fan curve to ramp up a little when the heat spikes up.
Oh, by the way, if you do decide to use ryzen master, you don't need to keep the utility open after you have applied a profile or settings, it will stay on the settings you have applied... I know it's common sense as it's applied to the BIOS anyway,but just letting you know.
Have had this running for about 4 months now and it's a nice solid chip, very rarely had any hiccups even.
ibzman
24 Aug 17#27
You can wait for intel 8th gen but you will have to factor in a good water cooling setup and delidding tool (that is if you dare to) this is just to keeps temps in check. £300 processors and heatsink is not soldered. Intel do not care about home users,period.
Nate1492 to ibzman
25 Aug 17#33
You must be joking... You don't need to delid or get water for the i7 Gen 7. If you want to push extremes for OC'ing, then maybe.
Also, how do you know what you need to do for the Gen 8, which isn't released yet?
michaeljb to Nate1492
25 Aug 17#34
He's probably just speculating based on the previous generations, and it's probably a good guess. Although de-lidding has been shown to drop temps it's certainly not a necessity, many people hit 5ghz at sensible temps using aftermarket air coolers or liquid aio without the need to de-lid.
Nate1492 to michaeljb
25 Aug 17#36
I mean, the only generation that was an issue was Gen 7, it had a lid issue, but Gen 6 and prior didn't...
Also, there are plenty of examples of Gen 7 hitting 5 ghz as you say, without any delidding, it's almost as if it's just a scare tactic.
Anthonyuk
24 Aug 17#28
I have this CPU and I honestly thought I would never be buying another AMD CPU for my main PC given the gulf between Intel and AMD.
But then Ryzen came out. And for the same price as intels ok quad cores you are getting a octo core that knocks it out of the park.
You are paying for the underdog too. As opposed to paying for the monopoly.
This CPU is a very cool runner. I have it on stock and its running at 24c - 26c. My Intel 2600K CPU this replaced always ran at 44- 46c stock temps with the same cooler.
These extremely low temps will give so much headroom the overclock the hell out of this if you wanted to.
thrower74
24 Aug 17#29
Gutted, I paid £290 for this at the beginning of last month! It's performed well for me on editing 4k video.
jaydeeuk1
24 Aug 17#30
Bought several of these the other day paired to an asrock b350m. Damn good value for money.
Just wish you could buy a decent graphics card for less than a mortgage payment.
Nate1492
25 Aug 17#32
What are you planning to do with several of these?
cigbunt
25 Aug 17#35
Guys who own this and just running 1 instance of windows should check out unraid to get the most out your cpu
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This comes with a Wraith Spire RGB cooler included in price. Which apparently is good enough to let you clock this to about 3.9-4.0 GHz. making it far better value than the higher stock speed 1700X and 1800X.
Might not be a super budget processor but for core and thread counts it can't be beaten for value.
All comments (36)
Heat for this deal.
Wait for 8th gen pricing,if you think it's going to be comparable with 7th dream on.
If the 8700k is under £399 i'd be surprised.
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I'm not a gamer anymore so as long as I can see an improvement in video editing, DVD/Bluray ripping and photo editing I'll be happy. My 2500k doesn't cut it anymore.
Fantastic CPU that has solved my bottleneck on Battlefield 1 64-player maps. (Upgraded from an i5-3570K.)
I make a lot of videos using Adobe Premiere, where it's a big help, too. (I can actually edit images while simultaneously rendering video, which is killer.)
Got any useful guides out there? I don't think I did that with my i5, either. Hmm!
1700 cooled with Evo 212
16GB G.Skill RAM rated for 3733MHz but stable @ 2800MHz right now (Got this as it was cheaper than other 3000MHz RAM, and they honored it.)
(GTX 1070, bunch of storage, 850W PSU Gold)
Thanks!
Your board and your memory should be perfect, G.Skill will be Samsung memory so ideal for OCing. For your board, go read the last 10-15 pages of this thread to get to up speed with settings that users have discovered work and tweak +/- as you see fit with proper monitoring of your thermals (HWmonitor), on your CPU you ideally want to be peaking at 70-75deg under stress, but obviously the lower (voltage) the better.
overclock.net/t/1…340
Drop me a PM if you like once you've read up and I can probably offer some of my own advice (not specific to your board) based on my learnings with the CH6. FWIW I've been running 3925ghz @ 1.38 for the last few months with 3466mhz/C14 memory speeds and all my other primary/secondary timings set low. It took a bit of time, but it's worth while.
Also got a Great deal on Corsair Dominator 3466 *GB (2x4GB). With luck I'll see how I get on using that, then grab more when a decent price pops up.
There's a load of information on that forum with people that seemingly spend their lives dedicated to shaving a NS of their memory timings, not my idea of fun...
Let me know by PM if I can help when you're up and running.
I've bookmarked the thread and will give it a go next weekend when I'll have time to get on that overclock grind!
While I do expect Intel to pull something out the bag. The Blue team can do without my cash for a few years.
Intel has been pumping out small, non mandatory, incremental upgrades for years while AMD failed repeatedly.
That isn't milking, that is progress in the face of stagnation.
Instead of just always pushing for faster GHz, Intel took time to greatly improve performance per watt.
Look at the 15 watt chips they make, without this progress, there couldn't have been nearly as much progress in the laptop market.
Now with AMD back on board, the benefit to the consumer is indeed good, competition always brings out price reductions, but you'd be remiss to think that Intel is 'milking' anyone.
They are a business, they put a product out that is bought by people, if someone want it, they buy it, if not, they don't.
It's just standard economics, there is no evil intent.
Again chasing the lower power consumption is beneficial to everyone.
Where Intel has annoyed me is the lack of continued support for Motherboard Chipsets and sockets.
I'm pretty confident that Intel could have delivered most 5% incremental changes without changing sockets so frequently. DDR4 support probably being the biggest exclusion to that. 775 saw lots of revisions and various Q processors fit. Why did 1155 have to change to 1150 so quickly? 1156 to 1155 was understandable with such a change in performance and architecture.
This should be good times for consumers now. I certainly hope so.
M.2, USB 3.1, more PCI lanes, faster PCI lanes, just tons of incremental upgrades that wouldn't exist without a socket change.
Intel don't stand to make money on forcing a new socket, that's almost entirely profits for motherboard manufacturers.
It's too restrictive on chip making and technology upgrades to force backward compatability, it would end up costing us more in terms of CPU
Anyway I,m waiting til after xmas to see what the prices are like then.. altho they could go UP as the GBP sinks further against the dollar/euro/rennimbi :nerd:
I recommend using the ryzen master to test CPU limits, that way you can actually just try out stuff to see what works in windows itself... especially if you get a b350 board as it doesn't have options to change the SOC or use an adaptive voltage. Just remember to leave the side panel off when trying to figure out a stable OC as you might have to reset CMOS, also update the motherboard to the latest as soon as you get it up and running, the AGESA BIOS updates help with RAM compatability. I have my 3000Mhz RAM running at 3066 for now.
Am using a thermaltake core v21 case which has a 200mm fan for intake and a noctua 140mm fan for exhaust, have them set to a modest 40% speed for under 45C, and a fan curve to ramp up a little when the heat spikes up.
Oh, by the way, if you do decide to use ryzen master, you don't need to keep the utility open after you have applied a profile or settings, it will stay on the settings you have applied... I know it's common sense as it's applied to the BIOS anyway,but just letting you know.
Have had this running for about 4 months now and it's a nice solid chip, very rarely had any hiccups even.
Also, how do you know what you need to do for the Gen 8, which isn't released yet?
Also, there are plenty of examples of Gen 7 hitting 5 ghz as you say, without any delidding, it's almost as if it's just a scare tactic.
But then Ryzen came out. And for the same price as intels ok quad cores you are getting a octo core that knocks it out of the park.
You are paying for the underdog too. As opposed to paying for the monopoly.
This CPU is a very cool runner. I have it on stock and its running at 24c - 26c. My Intel 2600K CPU this replaced always ran at 44- 46c stock temps with the same cooler.
These extremely low temps will give so much headroom the overclock the hell out of this if you wanted to.
Just wish you could buy a decent graphics card for less than a mortgage payment.