Cheaper even than the steady sub £100 ebuyer price, the Ryzen 3 CPU, in a suitable budget B350 motherboard, overclocks to in many but not all cases match and sometimes beat the significantly more expensive i5 7400 in games (though in many reviews it's barely noticeable unless you are using a GTX 1080 or at least at GTX 1070; if on a more representative budget using a GTX 1060 and not running other programs at the same time as gaming, the G4560 or G4600 are still great value for money, frames per second wise, though in some games not quite as fluid-smooth running as the multi core CPU). The i5 part comes with integrated graphics, though, which unfortunately the Ryzen doesn't have but the main selling point of the Ryzen 1200 is that it can be overclocked using the supplied Wraith cooler, without having to shell out for a third party cooler.
If you're not going to overclock and particularly if you are using something like a GTX 1060/RX 580 or cheaper budget graphics card, the cost per frame ratio is around the same as the cheaper G4560 and G4600 - see the benchmarks review below - though that's assuming you don't have other processes running while you game, like browsers, music players, or some productivity app rendering in the background, which many of us do but that reviewers often don't seem to have taken account of that in their reviews. If running productivity applications that take advantage of extra cores, the Ryzen 3 1200, overclocked, is decent performer at the cost, though not a significant improvement on Intel i5 CPUs of old; I'm hoping the Ryzen 3 1200 drives down the secondhand price of Intel i5s, to give the beleaguered budget system builders a break, to offset the increased cost of midrange graphics cards thanks to mining, higher memory costs, HD costs, soon-to-be higher SSD costs, apparently, etc.
I'm sharing yesterday's Hardware Unboxed review of the CPU overclocked because it benchmarks not just multiple CPUs but with three different price-point graphics cards, which to me seems much more realistic than reviews testing using only top end graphics cards, which reviewers argue is to remove any bottleknecking from the graphics card and to show the CPUs at their best.
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michaeljb
18 Aug 17#1
Nice price, im still torn between this or another g4560, the g4560 is enough but that cooler is much sexier on the ryzen and once I factor in an after market cooler for the intel they come out the same price
catbeans to michaeljb
18 Aug 17#2
What about mobo costs? And upgrading to DDR4.
michaeljb to catbeans
18 Aug 17#5
Just linked a mobo above that supports over clocking and is as cheap as any kabylake boards around, it's true ryzen benefits from faster memory, so you would have to factors that in. I happen to already have a 2400 stick so I would just try to oc that instead of buying faster
joe_shmoe to michaeljb
19 Aug 17#25
3000 mhz (the sweet spot) is £3-5 dearer than 2400,depending on 8 or 16 gb. its not an issue.
michaeljb to catbeans
18 Aug 17#6
Don't forget this doesn't have onboard video like the Intel so you would need a gfx card to
Rhythmeister to catbeans
19 Aug 17#15
The lack of DDR3 memory controller is certainly disappointing, I hope it doesn't put too many people off by forcing the move to DDR4 :unamused:
welsh_andy to Rhythmeister
19 Aug 17#26
it should i have ryzen 7 and ram is an utter, well u know what. had nothing but issues with ram even after the latest updates to my x370 strix gaming, samsung b die is way to go, but prices are terrible. hynix its hit and miss, my dark pro 3000 will only run at 2666 without overvolting, :cry: though on upside 2666 is decent sweet spot imo
Noclouds to michaeljb
18 Aug 17#7
I built a few systems for friends and my nephews using the G4560 and G4600 to fit tight budgets and am fond of both, though if building for myself the Ryzen model fits my usage better, when overclocked, as I often have multi programs running while gaming and sometimes render video. The Ryzen Wraith cooler is a bit of a star, as Linus showed in a recent video criticising Intel's steady lowering of the quality of their own cheap and quite noisy (under load) stock cooler. I guess one advantage of going the Ryzen route is AMD have committed to the AM4+ platform for several years to come, making for a cheaper upgrade path if you want to upgrade the CPU at a later date without having to buy a new motherboard, where Intel are talking about yet another platform upgrade, though platform upgrades bring new features, so I am torn on that one.
michaeljb to Noclouds
18 Aug 17#8
I recently built a g4560 rig for the inlaws and was quite impressed with it's price/performance, and this was when you could actually get them for 55 there more like 70 ATM which just makes the ryzen that much more tempting
Also the asrock b350 motherboard is on offer to for anyone looking for a cheap board to go with it for under 65 squid Linky
cigbunt to michaeljb
20 Aug 17#34
Pay extra £10 get the gigabyte.. has 6 sata and 4 ram slots
BrumGB
18 Aug 17#9
damn, I just watched a Ryzen-Tosh video and it's got me thinking about purchasing this CPU. Shame my experience with osx on anything but apple hardware = driver hell.
Ev0lution
18 Aug 17#10
I would not go near a CPU until the Coffee Lake reveal hits on the 21st to see how Intel finally reacts to Ryzen on Price/Performance ratios.
Intel wont get away with rehashing the same CPU year in, year out now and that can only be a good thing for the consumer.
vulcanproject to Ev0lution
19 Aug 17#11
Greatly depends on pricing. If Intel directly swap out the new Coffee Lake models at roughly the same prices of existing Kaby Lake then they will regain the initiative.
For example according to Intel's own slide the i3 7100 (around £100) is replaced by the i3 8100, which should be at least as fast as the current i5 7600- if not even faster.
Thus generally beating a Ryzen 1400 let alone the 1200 here.
MRP
19 Aug 17#12
I recall there were people here insisting on the 2 core pentium paired with a rather expensive and dead motherboard platform over the Ryzen. Where are they now?
I guess 'wait for -insert new upcoming intel cpu-' will be the new norm.
michaeljb to MRP
19 Aug 17#14
This years Pentium lineup is quite strong, still wins alot of price to performance tests, hence the inflated prices now but yeah it does look like Intel is ditching the current platform yet again whereas amd have made a 5 year commitment I believe. I certainly wouldn't 'insist' on the Intel, in fact I was planning on picking up a another pentium but the r1200 has now got me thinking. :thinking:
Agharta to michaeljb
19 Aug 17#16
I think the commitment is more like 2 years which means 2 upgrades including the sub 10nm generation which still seems reasonable. In the past it was irrelevant that they kept the same socket as they had rubbish processors and as soon as they release a good one it requires a new socket.
Gordon.Bell
19 Aug 17#13
Reviews have all stated a lot of overclocking head room, even with stock cooler youtube.com/wat…WEg
revolver31
19 Aug 17#17
Overclockers had at this price all along so no biggy, but intel will be overpricing again nothing will change with pricing here as far as they're concerned they've upped the quality of the cpu's no need to drop prices as such there geed will continue to back them into a corner, after the z270 short life span and the yet again ANOTHER new platform you'd think people would get it already they won't change, not until it's to late.
The whole platform is overpriced as was z270, z170 and so on £/$ 300+ motherboards etc, you would have to be silly to buy into intel now even if they do drop a few quid off the cpu's (lol doubtful) the board/chipset prices and limitations are just to much, geez you couldn't even overclock your ram on the b250's a new restriction imposed by intel forcing a z chipset for mem oc and not just those who buy the k cpu's.
just buy am4 and ryzen get all the features btr price and get m.2 & usb etc straight to the cpu.
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If you're not going to overclock and particularly if you are using something like a GTX 1060/RX 580 or cheaper budget graphics card, the cost per frame ratio is around the same as the cheaper G4560 and G4600 - see the benchmarks review below - though that's assuming you don't have other processes running while you game, like browsers, music players, or some productivity app rendering in the background, which many of us do but that reviewers often don't seem to have taken account of that in their reviews. If running productivity applications that take advantage of extra cores, the Ryzen 3 1200, overclocked, is decent performer at the cost, though not a significant improvement on Intel i5 CPUs of old; I'm hoping the Ryzen 3 1200 drives down the secondhand price of Intel i5s, to give the beleaguered budget system builders a break, to offset the increased cost of midrange graphics cards thanks to mining, higher memory costs, HD costs, soon-to-be higher SSD costs, apparently, etc.
I'm sharing yesterday's Hardware Unboxed review of the CPU overclocked because it benchmarks not just multiple CPUs but with three different price-point graphics cards, which to me seems much more realistic than reviews testing using only top end graphics cards, which reviewers argue is to remove any bottleknecking from the graphics card and to show the CPUs at their best.
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Linky
Intel wont get away with rehashing the same CPU year in, year out now and that can only be a good thing for the consumer.
For example according to Intel's own slide the i3 7100 (around £100) is replaced by the i3 8100, which should be at least as fast as the current i5 7600- if not even faster.
Thus generally beating a Ryzen 1400 let alone the 1200 here.
I guess 'wait for -insert new upcoming intel cpu-' will be the new norm.
In the past it was irrelevant that they kept the same socket as they had rubbish processors and as soon as they release a good one it requires a new socket.
youtube.com/wat…WEg
The whole platform is overpriced as was z270, z170 and so on £/$ 300+ motherboards etc, you would have to be silly to buy into intel now even if they do drop a few quid off the cpu's (lol doubtful) the board/chipset prices and limitations are just to much, geez you couldn't even overclock your ram on the b250's a new restriction imposed by intel forcing a z chipset for mem oc and not just those who buy the k cpu's.
just buy am4 and ryzen get all the features btr price and get m.2 & usb etc straight to the cpu.