This is a Smart Thermostat which works with all (fairly) modern boilers with volt-free switching, and a much cheaper alternative to the Nest 3 (almost half price) and Hive 2, and performs the same functions. I have had this for 3 months (self-install) on my 12 year old Ariston combi boiler and has performed brilliantly so far. The system is very simple, comprising of the thermostat unit and a mains-powered relay which connects wirelessly to your router.
This is the lowest price this has been at Amazon (see the three camels in first post), and possibly the lowest price brand-new anywhere in the UK - I couldn't find it lower anywhere else.
Amongst the nifty features of this system is full voice control with Siri or Alexa, and geofencing via IFTTT (If This Then That). You can install the system in one of two ways which provides greater flexibility than most of the other Smart thermostats: 1. Replace the wired thermostat on the wall, with the Netatmo switching the boiler directly, and the relay plugged in to a plug point as a simple wireless bridge, or 2. Use the Netatmo unit as a mobile unit powered by batteries with the relay taking over the boiler control - in this case you'd use the provided two sets of removable wires to connect the relay directly to the 240V boiler power and volt free switching terminals. Either system allows full remote control functionality via internet-connected devices. I did the latter installation and can take the thermostat with me around the house - as the thermostat is powered by two AA batteries and importantly, has an e-ink display, the batteries last for 6 months plus (unlike the Nest unit which needs to be plugged in on its mobile stand hence is not truly mobile). There is no router dongle like Hive - the relay interfaces directly with your router.
The Netatmo app on iOS and Android gives you full remote control and programming functionality, and detailed thermal analysis of your home. The 'learning mode' is pretty good as well. I use IFTTT for geofencing (boiler switches off if I'm 2 miles from home, comes back when I re-enter that radius): https://ifttt.com/netatmo_thermostat.
All in all, I've been very satisfied with the performance of this thermostat. The app works well with both WiFi and 3G/4G on Apple and Android devices, the signal has not dropped once during the three months I've had it, and it appears to re-connect seamlessly whenever the router is powercycled.
From the blurb:
37% less energy to heat your home. Save £312 a year on average*. Control your heating remotely from your smartphone, tablet or computer, or directly on the Thermostat. Control your Thermostat with your voice simply using Siri on iPhone/iPad or Alexa on Amazon Echo. Smart heating: enjoy better home comfort with the Auto-Adapt and Auto-Care functions. Unique design by Philippe Starck. 4 colours to choose from to suit your home interiors. Compatible with gas, oil or wood-fired boilers and heat pumps. Compatible with iOS, Android and Windows Phone. (*average savings for a conventional 1076 sq ft British house with a gas boiler.)
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ITKing
19 Jul 17#40
Amazon still at 87.52 as of today 19.07.17... Reading most peoples questions this info might help.
Netatmo now have UK customer service phone number and email address for post sales support.
DEDICATED HOTLINE
A dedicated hotline for customers:
0808 159 0467
Mon-Fri: 9.00am – 5:00pm.
Smart Valves will be available from 1st September 2017, Maplin, Argos and CEF trade counter will be holding stock RRP £69.99 Inc. Vat / This will now give Netatmo thermostat users room control using their smart phone, tablet or PC **Important - You need the smart thermostat for the smart valves to work**. If you want voice control Alexa (Echo) or Siri (Apple users) can work from day one... Google Home will also be compatible around September.
This is the best price you will see for Netatmo smart thermostat.. I would buy it quickly if you want to save your winter bill this coming winter season, easy to install (watch the you tube video).
musicl
14 Jun 17#39
My honeywell has 2 zones. I can switch them on/off independently of each other.
The Netatmo doesn't seem to do this. Anyone know about this?
p9dyl
8 Jun 171#38
I believe it was you that went "off topic" by mentioning Evohome (Which is a very good system but vastly more expensive)
The Netatmo uses 2.4Ghz for communication to the thermostat, the radiator valves for the Netatmo are not released yet but I don't expect them to use 2.4Ghz Wifi. For the cost of the Netatmo it is a very good deal IMO.
ro53ben
8 Jun 17#37
Netatmo - what this thread is about - is dependent on old 802.11g/n 2.4GHz Wifi. It's not reliable enough for this purpose. It's also dependent on external supplier infrastructure, won't work properly if the company shuts the servers down or even if your internet is off-line.
p9dyl
7 Jun 171#36
Evohome and Tado both use 868Mhz to communicate to radiator valves and both use Wifi to communicate from mobile device to control units.
mafia
7 Jun 17#35
its now £90.67 and £78.54 on Amazon warehouse
ro53ben
7 Jun 17#34
Because you get major return on investment with the higher quality product. You only heat the rooms you need when you need them.
I get up at 6am, only my bedroom and the en-suite bathroom are heated. I get ready and leave for work. Large 4 bedroom house, the rest of it is cold.
My kids get up at 7am and go downstairs to watch TV, the living room is room, as is the cloakroom for when they need the toilet.
My wife gets up at 7.30am, the kitchen is warm for breakfast, the living room is now set to cold again.
They go upstairs at 8am to get dressed and the kids bedrooms and bathroom are warm.
At 8.30am they leave for school, everything is off until lunchtime when the kitchen is on again for food prep. After lunch, all off until 3.30pm when they get back from school. Only the living room and cloakroom are heated. At 5pm, the dining room is warm for dinner. At 6.30pm the bathroom is warm for baths before kids bed in warm bedrooms which go cold from 8pm. Our bedroom doesn't come on until 10.30pm, but only for half an hour.
It just works and if you really want to save on energy costs it's the way to go. I had a central optimised programmable thermostats for years and it saved me money, by using less fuel, because the house was colder. My cloakroom was always cold and the en-suite was never warm when I had my shower in the morning. The only option was to overheat the whole house.
Do you have one light switch for the whole house? Or one in each room? It costs a lot more to put one in each room, but it saves a considerable amount in wasted energy. Do the same for your heating.
ro53ben
7 Jun 17#31
No. You are mistaken. The Evohome TRV units have never used WiFi and still don't.
I have good WiFi in my house but there is no way I'd get a good signal back to my router from every radiator in the house.
This isn't different models of car. It's chalk and cheese.
hcc27 to ro53ben
7 Jun 17#33
I agree it's chalk and cheese, but why do you keep posting on a deals site about a thermostat that costs 4 x more than what I've posted claiming it's better?? It SHOULD be better for that price.
The whole point of this site is for people to save money, which is why the deal has reached 280. For most of us mere mortals, WiFi works acceptably well for the purpose.
michaeloswell
7 Jun 171#32
great product, great price :smiley: hotter than hot
hcc27
7 Jun 17#30
You may be referring to the old Evohome system - the new one is a WiFi-connected unit:
I've never had an issue with the Netatmo thermostat, connects in the loft to the boiler relay without a repeater and has never dropped a connection. And it's definitely not a gimmick, my home is warmer than before with the dumb thermostat and my heating bills on average are 15% less. To me, that's a significant saving. Add to that Alexa and Siri functionality, geofencing via IFTTT etc and it's a very decent offering.
Trying to compare the Evohome to the Netatmo, at 25% of the cost, is like comparing a Ford to a Ferrari - you pays more, you definitely gets more.
ro53ben
7 Jun 171#29
For a start, Evohome doesn't use unreliable Wi-Fi - it doesn't even need an internet connection. It's a self contained, super reliable controls system - not a IoT gimmick. People spend their lives buying wireless repeaters and plug-in ethernet adapters as they know getting reliable Wi-Fi all over the home is nigh on impossible. Running central heating control over that would be a disaster.
hcc27
7 Jun 171#28
Please could you explain the difference? According to the reviews on Evohome, you replace the dumb TRVs on your radiators with smart Evohome smart/ wireless TRVs which are able to call for heat whenever you need a given temperature in a given zone:
This is the exact same functionality that the others, e.g. Tado and Netatmo, appear to be offering via their smart TRVs - you can call for heat in a given room at discrete pre-programmed times of the day, set zones at different temperatures at the same time etc etc.
How does that differ from the Evohome's functionality?
ro53ben
7 Jun 17#27
It's only a replacement thermostat so shouldn't be too difficult. If you would be comfortable with taking your existing thermostat off the wall and putting it back on again, you should be able to do this. It is mains voltage wiring though, so there are obvious risks and if you accidentally short the wires out, you'll likely damage your boiler.
badasschris
7 Jun 17#21
I don't quite understand how moving the thermostat around will magically save loads of money, you will still have to heat up your whole house to get the room you are in, to the temp you want
hcc27 to badasschris
7 Jun 17#24
It depends on where the wall thermostat was originally fitted. Ours was in the conservatory and so to have a decent temperature in the bedroom the conservatory had to be toasty. If yours is fitted to the reception, you may not see significant cost savings BUT as bedrooms tend to be smaller than receptions, you may see some savings..
ro53ben to badasschris
7 Jun 17#26
You're correct. It's only really useful for people who only want to be warm in the room they're in and are happy going upstairs to a cold bedroom.
ro53ben
7 Jun 171#25
Don't confuse these Wi-Fi radiator valve heads as being anything like the Honeywell system. Worlds apart.
mdekq007
7 Jun 17#23
I couldn't do it. I got an electrician to fit it. I have a Worcester bosch new boiler
diehardguy
7 Jun 17#16
If this company goes bust the thermostat turns into a wireless on off switch. It doesn't have the capability to store your programme locally.
Boffy31 to diehardguy
7 Jun 17#22
So if the company goes bust, it won't work with ifttt etc?
devilsadv0cate
7 Jun 17#15
Hive doesn't tell you when the boiler was on during the day to reach the temperature you have set. Does the netatmo do this?
hcc27 to devilsadv0cate
7 Jun 171#20
Yes you have copious amounts of data on the Web interface; there's a useful chart of when the boiler was off and on, as well as the thermostat temperature, on the phone App going back a few months (the chart appears when you tilt your phone to landscape).
Don't suppose anyone could advise whether: a) it will work with that boiler, and b) how hard it is to install it yourself?
ro53ben
7 Jun 17#14
Just buy Evohome and have the thermostat in every room :smiley:
hcc27 to ro53ben
7 Jun 171#18
Evohome was probably the first out of the gate with smart TRVs for multi-zone control, but the basic single-zone system starts at around £250. .
Most of the other manufacturers have now caught up with multi-zone and have released their own smart TRVs - Tado, Hive as well as Netatmo are now multizone ready at a fraction of the price of an equivalent Evohome set-up: http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/netatmo-additional-smart-radiator-valve-a28wk
diehardguy
7 Jun 17#17
If the company goes bust then this thermostat turns into a wireless on off switch for your boiler as it does not have the ability to store your programme
Locally. If your internet goes dow it falls back into the last programmed setting. I bought the nest as it stores everything on the device and can work without online services. Just a thought but at £80 for couple years service not bad.
hcc27
7 Jun 17#13
The Netatmo was designed by the legendary Philippe Starck; apart from the physical design the use of an e-Ink screen is a touch of genius as the batteries seem to go on forever - if you want to keep the thermostat in the room you're in the Netatmo is one of the best solutions on the market.
b1g1an
7 Jun 17#12
Functionality is identical and most just use the app which is the same for both versions.
hcc27
7 Jun 171#11
Thanks. I've clarified that I was referring to the current model in the post. My understanding is that the Hive 2 is functionally superior to the 1, apart from the obvious cosmetic differences in the thermostat:
b1g1an
7 Jun 17#10
This is just for heating, doesn't control water too if you have that type of system like you can with Hive.
Bully
7 Jun 17#6
Have this last 6 months, got it for £99 fitted by PowerNI. Working very well via app.Not expecting to save too much money (linked to oil boiler) but purchased more for the convenience especially when away from home. Great price here. Heat added.
philipgregson58 to Bully
7 Jun 17#9
You might be surprised, it also takes account of local outside temperature (if you leave it alone) and let it control as intended) so adjusts schedule based on your house/external temps.
ilikewatch
7 Jun 17#7
Great product, dire customer service from Netatmo - luckily Amazon replaced mine even though it was over 12 months old when Netatmo couldn't resolve it's connectivity issues.
philipgregson58 to ilikewatch
7 Jun 17#8
Surprised at that comment,but dont disbelieve you. I got this when it was on offer at John Lewis, only just installed, couldn't separate the backplate from the boiler module, emailed them with query, replied next day. I think it is a cracking product, and good value at this price. Just bought the Hive on offer fro a mate, know which I prefer aesthetically though.
TylerDurdenUK
7 Jun 17#5
I have one, it's a very easy self install if replacing an existing wall thermostat (mine was 2 wires) only very minor issue for me is that you can't set it to away mode via the amazon echo, great for changing temp via the echo though.
Searcher2
7 Jun 17#4
The OPs statement that this is almost half the price of the Hive isn't true at the moment as the model 1 of the Hive is currently £60 at Toolstation
Granted the Netatmo may look nicer and have other features. I had looked at it but, at the time (a couple of years ago), I was put off by not being able to contact their customer services by telephone. This may have changed.
But a good price for either
hcc27
7 Jun 17#3
[quote=rvcshart]So you need a truly mobile thermostat just to get lost/lay about?
Isn't the point every device, phone, tablet, pc via web interface etc
You don't have to install it that way. Yes you can use the mobile interface with this fixed to the wall, but you are then controlling the temperature of the room it is fixed iin which may end up significantly warmer than needed by the time the temperature in the room you're in reaches your desired temperature. A multi zone system is the best solution to this, but this is a pretty good alternative. I've never lost the thermostat but that might just be me - we only take it upstairs for the night and bring it down in the morning.
I also find there are cost savings in keeping the thermostat in the room you're in, easily verifiable with the copious stats available on the Netatmo Web interface.
rvcshart
7 Jun 17#2
So you need a truly mobile thermostat just to get lost/lay about?
Isn't the point every device, phone, tablet, pc via web interface etc is a thermostat?
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Opening post
This is the lowest price this has been at Amazon (see the three camels in first post), and possibly the lowest price brand-new anywhere in the UK - I couldn't find it lower anywhere else.
Amongst the nifty features of this system is full voice control with Siri or Alexa, and geofencing via IFTTT (If This Then That). You can install the system in one of two ways which provides greater flexibility than most of the other Smart thermostats:
1. Replace the wired thermostat on the wall, with the Netatmo switching the boiler directly, and the relay plugged in to a plug point as a simple wireless bridge, or
2. Use the Netatmo unit as a mobile unit powered by batteries with the relay taking over the boiler control - in this case you'd use the provided two sets of removable wires to connect the relay directly to the 240V boiler power and volt free switching terminals.
Either system allows full remote control functionality via internet-connected devices.
I did the latter installation and can take the thermostat with me around the house - as the thermostat is powered by two AA batteries and importantly, has an e-ink display, the batteries last for 6 months plus (unlike the Nest unit which needs to be plugged in on its mobile stand hence is not truly mobile). There is no router dongle like Hive - the relay interfaces directly with your router.
The Netatmo app on iOS and Android gives you full remote control and programming functionality, and detailed thermal analysis of your home. The 'learning mode' is pretty good as well. I use IFTTT for geofencing (boiler switches off if I'm 2 miles from home, comes back when I re-enter that radius): https://ifttt.com/netatmo_thermostat.
All in all, I've been very satisfied with the performance of this thermostat. The app works well with both WiFi and 3G/4G on Apple and Android devices, the signal has not dropped once during the three months I've had it, and it appears to re-connect seamlessly whenever the router is powercycled.
From the blurb:
37% less energy to heat your home. Save £312 a year on average*.
Control your heating remotely from your smartphone, tablet or computer, or directly on the Thermostat.
Control your Thermostat with your voice simply using Siri on iPhone/iPad or Alexa on Amazon Echo.
Smart heating: enjoy better home comfort with the Auto-Adapt and Auto-Care functions.
Unique design by Philippe Starck. 4 colours to choose from to suit your home interiors.
Compatible with gas, oil or wood-fired boilers and heat pumps.
Compatible with iOS, Android and Windows Phone.
(*average savings for a conventional 1076 sq ft British house with a gas boiler.)
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Want to check if your boiler works with Netatmo, click on the link below.
https://check.netatmo.com/
Netatmo now have UK customer service phone number and email address for post sales support.
DEDICATED HOTLINE
A dedicated hotline for customers:
0808 159 0467
Mon-Fri: 9.00am – 5:00pm.
Smart Valves will be available from 1st September 2017, Maplin, Argos and CEF trade counter will be holding stock RRP £69.99 Inc. Vat / This will now give Netatmo thermostat users room control using their smart phone, tablet or PC **Important - You need the smart thermostat for the smart valves to work**. If you want voice control Alexa (Echo) or Siri (Apple users) can work from day one... Google Home will also be compatible around September.
This is the best price you will see for Netatmo smart thermostat.. I would buy it quickly if you want to save your winter bill this coming winter season, easy to install (watch the you tube video).
The Netatmo doesn't seem to do this. Anyone know about this?
The Netatmo uses 2.4Ghz for communication to the thermostat, the radiator valves for the Netatmo are not released yet but I don't expect them to use 2.4Ghz Wifi. For the cost of the Netatmo it is a very good deal IMO.
I get up at 6am, only my bedroom and the en-suite bathroom are heated. I get ready and leave for work. Large 4 bedroom house, the rest of it is cold.
My kids get up at 7am and go downstairs to watch TV, the living room is room, as is the cloakroom for when they need the toilet.
My wife gets up at 7.30am, the kitchen is warm for breakfast, the living room is now set to cold again.
They go upstairs at 8am to get dressed and the kids bedrooms and bathroom are warm.
At 8.30am they leave for school, everything is off until lunchtime when the kitchen is on again for food prep. After lunch, all off until 3.30pm when they get back from school. Only the living room and cloakroom are heated. At 5pm, the dining room is warm for dinner. At 6.30pm the bathroom is warm for baths before kids bed in warm bedrooms which go cold from 8pm. Our bedroom doesn't come on until 10.30pm, but only for half an hour.
It just works and if you really want to save on energy costs it's the way to go. I had a central optimised programmable thermostats for years and it saved me money, by using less fuel, because the house was colder. My cloakroom was always cold and the en-suite was never warm when I had my shower in the morning. The only option was to overheat the whole house.
Do you have one light switch for the whole house? Or one in each room? It costs a lot more to put one in each room, but it saves a considerable amount in wasted energy. Do the same for your heating.
I have good WiFi in my house but there is no way I'd get a good signal back to my router from every radiator in the house.
This isn't different models of car. It's chalk and cheese.
The whole point of this site is for people to save money, which is why the deal has reached 280. For most of us mere mortals, WiFi works acceptably well for the purpose.
https://theevohomeshop.co.uk/honeywell-connected-thermostats/11-honeywell-evohome-connected-thermostat-pack-atp921r3100.html
I've never had an issue with the Netatmo thermostat, connects in the loft to the boiler relay without a repeater and has never dropped a connection. And it's definitely not a gimmick, my home is warmer than before with the dumb thermostat and my heating bills on average are 15% less. To me, that's a significant saving. Add to that Alexa and Siri functionality, geofencing via IFTTT etc and it's a very decent offering.
Trying to compare the Evohome to the Netatmo, at 25% of the cost, is like comparing a Ford to a Ferrari - you pays more, you definitely gets more.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/honeywell/honeywell-evohome
This is the exact same functionality that the others, e.g. Tado and Netatmo, appear to be offering via their smart TRVs - you can call for heat in a given room at discrete pre-programmed times of the day, set zones at different temperatures at the same time etc etc.
How does that differ from the Evohome's functionality?
http://www.baxi.co.uk/documents/Baxi_Combi_80e_and_105e_User_Guide.pdf
Don't suppose anyone could advise whether: a) it will work with that boiler, and b) how hard it is to install it yourself?
Most of the other manufacturers have now caught up with multi-zone and have released their own smart TRVs - Tado, Hive as well as Netatmo are now multizone ready at a fraction of the price of an equivalent Evohome set-up:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/netatmo-additional-smart-radiator-valve-a28wk
Locally. If your internet goes dow it falls back into the last programmed setting. I bought the nest as it stores everything on the device and can work without online services. Just a thought but at £80 for couple years service not bad.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hive-1-smart-heating-control-thermostat-60-toolstation-2702460
Granted the Netatmo may look nicer and have other features. I had looked at it but, at the time (a couple of years ago), I was put off by not being able to contact their customer services by telephone. This may have changed.
But a good price for either
Isn't the point every device, phone, tablet, pc via web interface etc
You don't have to install it that way. Yes you can use the mobile interface with this fixed to the wall, but you are then controlling the temperature of the room it is fixed iin which may end up significantly warmer than needed by the time the temperature in the room you're in reaches your desired temperature. A multi zone system is the best solution to this, but this is a pretty good alternative. I've never lost the thermostat but that might just be me - we only take it upstairs for the night and bring it down in the morning.
I also find there are cost savings in keeping the thermostat in the room you're in, easily verifiable with the copious stats available on the Netatmo Web interface.
Isn't the point every device, phone, tablet, pc via web interface etc is a thermostat?