There may be a more stupid comment somewhere here but I've not seen it yet.

I wish all TVs had Ambilight or something equivalent.

Yet you'll post deals for 30% off cheese? (you could buy a lot of cheese if you sold one of these)

You're mixing up response time with input lag.

Input lag is the time it takes a signal to reach the screen. This is important for gaming. Anything under 50ms is adequate for most people though.

Response time is how long it takes the pixels on the screen to change colour. This effects the 'blur' you so often see on cheap sets.

However response time is highly unreliable as manufacturers cheat by using different criteria. Some will do it 'properly' & measure the time it takes to change from white to black, others will instead measure the time it takes to change a grey pixel to grey again. It's like inventing a criteria called 'acceleration time' then measuring the time it takes one car to do 0-60 & one car to do 15-45 & comparing them.

Hopefully it will drop.. but they need to bring newer model.. his has been out for ages

£799 would make a perfect deal. I shall wait few months.

I've got my eye on the Hisense 65M7000 when it drops a little more. It's difficult to justify more than £1k on a telly at the rate they depreciate. Having said that though this Philips is very nice.

Even reviewers say after using ambilight or the new one it's hard going back to standard tv

why do you need a blurry large scale image in the background for. this is a gimmick

Philips have new lighting system called ambilux.. It's amazing.

The LG c6 (the best one to have imo) is £1699 at currys.

If you can blag a perkbox reward card you get 8% off giftcards, thats £136 off. 1.5% quidco is £25.5.

Makes the c6 model £1537.5, which is bladdy good imo. Incredibly tempted myself seeing the new OLED lines have scrapped 3d.

I have the 65PUS8601 - beast of a TV and the ambilight brings to life so many movies / tv programs. Highly recommended. When family and friends are over they become transfixed on TV and ambilight!

Yeah, it's gonna be a couple of years before an oled 65" goes for £1500 I reckon. Sadly.

Looks like you've done your homework cos you know about the Hisense & what value they offer, I'd say call Richer sounds local to you & see if they have a viewing room (not a brightly lit store that looks nothing like your home setup) & if you can view some of the ones you want. Feel free to take a USB with the type of content you view. I only watch films on my projector so I took some US HD & SD tv shows & 50fps HD footy on a usb stick with me before I chose my set.

I'm so annoyed that Vizio only sell in the US & not the UK, their sets look so much better value than most of the offerings here.

They have mini led projectors at the back

That would be ideal however would that be an option for 65" TVs? They seem to be about £3k at the moment. If I was going for 55" then I'd rather save money and go for either Hiesense or a KS7000

Is this the best bang for buck 65" telly for under £1500? I only wish Richer Sounds or John Lewis sold these. I'd only buy from those stores for their amazing warranty. Would it be advisable to hold out longer until the 2016 sets go into clearance?

I have lots of Philips products and I've never had one fail, I'm obsessed with buying all kinds of electrical goods and everything seems to last longer than I want to own it.

very true
just thought i would put my experience out there

You've put the quotation marks in the wrong place.

Even second hand, the Panny DX902 is a million times better value than this TV given that its still one of the best TVs money can buy.

Just buy an aftermarket version of ambilight to add on. There's very cheap ones you make yourself if you have the skills, & they go up in price & down in terms of technological know how required all the way to about £100.

Is 38ms lag good these days? Sure we were down to 5ms when I bought my last display.

Philips kit is often recommended by the likes of what hifi/tv etc. However I personally wouldn't Buy the brand as I find it doesn't last

That's more a story about a good warranty experience, rather than Philips TVs being any good though, isn't it?

Wouldn't take a Philips if it was free

The only Philips product that I've ever owned which lasted are shavers, I've had dab radios, video recorders, bluray player, computer monitors and somehow they never last very long.

Love this tv but similar 65 inch tv's are like 800 so feel were paying another £680 just for the ambilight or whatever they call it.

"No, you're stupid."

And yes, i would have one!

Google is my friend
https://www.whathifi.com/news/philips-and-tp-vision-agree-joint-venture-tv-division

Philips used to make excellent TV's, but i am sure they are made/developed by someone else now, and no, it's not vestel!!

I Love Ambilight. When you turn it off it feels lifeless and boring

I wish all TVs had Ambilight or something equivalent.

TVs deprecate so quickly but when you buy a TV you rarely change it before it is 5 years old. It is worth buying last years model for 50% off, if you are that fussed you could change it every 3 years and still save money!