It has a snapdragon 430. How is this an upgrade?

I would say the shift to Lenovo for the MotoG has been a complete & utter failure (for me as an anticipating punter & fan of the MotoG 'franchise')

​It's about the same as the 617, from the G4, but runs much cooler. The G5 Plus has the 625 though, which is a fantastic SoC.

​Feedback showed 5.5" was too big for many

The Moto brand seems to be going downhill recently.

They can't even get a successful Nougat update out for the 4th gen.

It has a snapdragon 430. How is this an upgrade?

not really a great step up from G4.. pretty much comparable specs with G4.. was hoping for at least a better camera and processor when I heard about its launch... slightly disappointed.. :smirk:

agree with the comments above, the G5 plus is the key one for new specs. However this update brings a smaller phone (size and screen, G4 was too bulky for most light users) with better power consumption, metal body, Nougat at same price point than last year despite £ tumble. For a non heavy user this is a good basic and future proof phone with tried and tested components.

basically if you have the G4 already not worth the upgrade, if you want one then go for this as it has pretty much everything the G4 plus had last year, screen is smaller but much better, less heavy, metal body, more RAM and turbo charging

Hmmmmm my shortlist is this, P2, Honor 6X or P9 Lite..

Awful design.
Waiting for the Nokia 6 to drop

Why the 5 inch screen? :disappointed:

That's what I was thinking, they have their flaws. The Lenovo camera is probably the weakest however battery out weighs that. My fear is Lenovo will not support it.

The Honor 6X seems to have a great camera but lacking in other areas.

MOTO G has now become a brand within itself and will receive full support moving forward which is a big bonus.

Decisions lol

Will we now evolve onto the next debate to dominate the plethora of MotoG deals....

'Is it 2GB or 3GB'?

​G5 plus will have same camera than Samsung 7, 12MP but dual focus and 1,7 aperture, anyhow one of the best on market, it's a Sony. just Google it.

just to add - here is a first look at the camera: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/lenovo-moto-g5-plus-camera-first-impressions-review <-- they seem to like it, needed optical stabilisation to make it fantastic.

​I'd have expected at least the 652 on this gens pro.

I'm leaning more towards the G5 due to ongoing support. Just wish it was sooner than April 1st, I need a new phone now lolz

Really surprised there's still no NFC for Android Pay.

Still no compass on either model?

I wonder if the Amazon ones will be dual SIM? - I seem to recall on the G4 and G4+ they initially said dual SIM but only the white one had it.

Generally the opinion of those who have seen n played with it is the G4 is not worth upgrading from to this.

I would say the shift to Lenovo for the MotoG has been a complete & utter failure (for me as an anticipating punter & fan of the MotoG 'franchise')

​I bought the G1/G2/G3 (8gb & 16gb). I thought the G4 was horrible & don't see any progression with the G5

Heat added for being the first G5 deal to post and with the Amazon exclusive 3GB configuration. Indeed the upgrade between the standard G4 and the standard G5 is incremental, but the upgrade between the G4 Plus and the G5 Plus is more pronounced and this is where the smart money is. 3GB RAM, 32 GB Storage, upgraded camera, upgraded Snapdragon 625 2GHZ processor, NFC, 4K video etc. This will retail for £260, but if with some competitive discounting, the price is nearer to the £199 sweet spot, the phone should remain running fast for a long time and only hampered by the lack of future software updates.

Get the redmi note 4x. Better phone for less money.

i agree that moto g5 plus is the one to go for (mainly for the possibly better camera), however this model does also have removable battery.
nice one..

question for owners of the moto g4 (dual sim). Does the dual sim aspect take its toll on the battery? Also was the execution of the dual sim spot on or was it buggy?

Don't trust Moto as many devices of G4 plus are facing screen burn issue and the company is not able to solve the problem clearly showing the cheap quality use by Lenovo in manufacturing Moto mobiles (my personal experience)

will it have notification light?

Every since that's stupid Chinese company Lenovo took over, Motorola has gone downhill.

Slap a minor upgrade and it's a new phone.

Before when Moto g 1st gen came out. Updated came within 2-3 months. Moto g came with Jelly bean, got a update to KitKat and another update to Lollipop


Nowadays you'll be lucky to get even 1 update with this crp Lenovo!

anyone knows why the hell there's still no Nougat update on the G4/G4+ ?

Rolling out in the USA as of 2nd of March, so hopefully soon here!!!

just got my G4 Plus last week, The Dual sim was the reason for getting it. Battery is better than my samsung note 4, battery on the G4 lasts two days with plenty of use. I use sim one for phone calls/texts and sim 2 for internet etc, both sims are always on and you can text/ring off either.

I'd like to know the same thing. Annoying if so. The G4 is a great phone but it bugs me that it doesn't have a compass (especially because the G3 does!).

​So going back to telegrams? :confused:

It's hard to believe this one called G5. It seems that I have to use my G4 for a while.

nothing so sophisticated, carrier pigeon!

​ :smiley: Agreed or get the Mediatek x20 version you won't be disappointed.

m.banggood.com/Xiaomi-Redmi-Note-4-Fingerprint-5_5-inch-3GB-RAM-32GB-MTK-X20-Deca-core-4G-Smartphone-Black-p-1120192.html

I believe this probably has been posted before but just a heads up for those in the a market for a reasonably priced and specced phone

I think the xiaomi is a good bang!! Ahem for your bucks that is..

Is bangood recommended though, lots of complaints

They're ok not the best from my experience but I ordered from them I have the phone it's pretty much bug free and a clean rom.. Paying by PayPal helps should an issue arise... Check the reviews on the link I sent for customers who bought it.. It's worth a punt...

They're ok not the best from my experience but I ordered from them I have the phone it's pretty much bug free and a clean rom.. Paying by PayPal helps should an issue arise... Check the reviews on the link I sent for customers who bought it.. It's worth a punt...

This app is odd crashed on me :confused:

Meh. After buying Motos for years they can shove it. March 2017 and still no software update on my G4. Not gonna pay money for a smaller screen and fingerprint scanner.

:confused: hmm

There's been a few comments about the lack of software updates since Lenovo took over. Anyone know which budget or entry level brand of mobile handset is hot on updates that would provide support for at least 3 years?

Why does the Moto G5 Plus sell for $229 in US but £259 in UK????? Absolute ****.

Cheers radar81, real tempted for redmi note 4x

I bet that is a very tall order

I bought the Huawei Honor 6X 32gb for 225 sim free from Amazon... Flubit will knock off another 15gbp, but I wanted one pronto... G5 wouldn't stand a chance, blown away by this one... I am amazed the reviewers are raving about Oneplus when this is the real affordable flagship killer - at £400 or thereabouts Oneplus is edging towards flagship pricing. I have have an iPhone 7 from work, used Note 5 for the last year until I sold it... this thing is far better than both of those and it's half the price... Never thought I'd be impressed by Huawei, but the honor series is serious bang for buck... 3GB RAM, 32 gb on board memory, crisp 1080p 5.5" display, 12 MP dual camera, dual SIM, expandable storage, NFC, fast charging (admittedly not the best), 0.3sec unlock on fingerprint sensor... which is crazy fast... There is a feature called Ultrashot for the camera, from the phone in a locked state, double click the volume button and it not only bring the camera app up, it takes the picture - it actually shows the time to taking the picture and mine is anywhere between 1 sec to 1.6 seconds... from laying on the table to picture taken in 1.6 seconds... why on earth would you buy anything else.

​well it has not come on for preorder or sale yet... "mid spring" whatever that means... I think US price need to be taken with the understanding that in the US tax varies state by state and this price is before taxes added (equivalent to VAT here) still cheaper though, same for all phones...

​Because the UK version comes with 3GB RAM and NFC.

​Honor 6X, googled it and not convinced it will be a better buy than the tad more expensive G5 plus. if you want a cheap Chinese phone the redmi 4 for half the price seems better? I personally want a great camera with stock android 7...

does g5 got the magnetometer and NFC which are there essential feature that the g4 plus is missing

Anyone know if the G5 Plus will shoot RAW? And is it confirmed that it's the same Sony camera as in the S7 - I know the basic specs (f1.7 etc) are the same but is it confirmed it's the same unit?

Same question for the H6X and Redmi Note 4X - will they do RAW?

Does this look like a good deal?

Currently on a samsung galaxy S4 been running since day one. Think its time for an upgrade

​No worries pal I may also do a xiaomi redmi note 4 YouTube review if I get time

This or a ZTE Axon Elite deal posted here.??

http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_231921.html?wid=4&utm_source=tt_de

Is this the case? I knew NFC was not for US markets but RAM i think was the same for both US and UK. Any source for this?

​The source is the Lenova/Motorola website. If you look at the .com site and the .co.uk site, you'll see the specification differences. The plus model for the UK is configured for 3GB of RAM but in the USA it's available in either 2GB or 4GB RAM versions both of which do not come equipped with NFC for that market.

If anyone is fortunate enough to have access to the "Perks At Work" website through their employer (the one that gives WOW points) there is a link on the "What's Hot" page for Lenovo and within that a link to the Moto site. The G5 and G5 Plus is listed, but no pricing yet, although the G4 and G4 plus is available with a discount.

​the G5 plus might be worth the wait. I will be waiting, by then we will know if the normal G5 has faults...

I quit whilst ahead on the G3 - 2gb/16gb. Lovely phone. On my 2nd currently​

Many of the previews do not mention how the front-facing fingerprint scanner is being utilised. It now supports multiple actions; back, home, recents, swipe down notifications - meaning on-screen navigation buttons can be removed allowing for more screen real estate.

I'm considering getting the 6x myself, have you had any security updates on it yet? I'm unsure how reliable honor are at providing them which worries me. I'm currently using a Samsung galaxy s5 which is still receiving security patches which is amazing considering its age...

The dollar price will be subject to a sales tax and $229 is about £186. £259 includes vat so to compare like for like take this off which makes it £215. £29 difference really, not quite as extreme as it may have seemed

​Can also add the euro price will be lower than UK, interesting that Lenovo currency swing sees them predicting that £1 will be 1.10€ instead of current 1.16€. They appear worried of a further depreciation of Stirling.

what would you recommend, I'm after a new phone, got the moto g4 last year, hate the thing with this ghosting stuff, preferred earlier ones, want something similar to them, just more umph..tia

Maybe Lenovo wants you to buy a G5, simples

Bought honour 6x came two days ago to replace moto g4 blows that phone away two day battery life easy camera very good screen and os comparable to iphone 7 if not better uses emui which is an overlay very very similar to iphone. Only issue I've had so far is reception where I work is awful for three mobile SIM sure can use a second SIM as a workaround but g5 plus is tempting me now should I send.back to amazon decisions decisions......

​G5 plus is set to hit the shelves late April FYI... I read about it today "mid-spring" waiting that long is a bit pants but by then we'll know if the G5 develop any issues, I really hope it is good...

Yes that's why went for honour 6x very nice phone just can't call on three properly

​band 20 issues? apparently it is the one they use to extend coverage that would explain your issue? 6X looks ok but rather have a better camera with stock android...

Camera is brilliant and to be honest if your really into tech emui is very versatile and gives way options to customise the way it handles killing background apps really does have to be seen I took off charge at 7am still on 65 percent

glad you are happy with it. I reviewed the specs, seen the reviews... will wait for the G5 plus

This does have NFC. The US version won't.

​The G5 standard will have NFC

Are you sure? I can't see any mention of NFC in the specs for the G5 standard

​I googled G5 NFC and it's confirming it on sites.

I think they may be wrong. On the Motorola site the G5 Plus has NFC listed in the spec but the normal G5 doesn't mention it.

That's a shame. I'll be passing then.

G5 plus and honour 6 x are drawn for specs

Honour 6x has nfc and a compass

Apart from the cameras. The H6X gets hit and miss camera reviews - a bit of a one trick pony.
And software is a bit of a concern - the update to Nougat is (according to some reviews) much needed for the Honor.

I'm not knocking it, it's the front runner in the 'wait for the G5 plus or buy now' contest. The camera on the G5 Plus does look to be significantly better and it's being launched with Nougat so there is the temptation to wait.

​yup my sentiment too, the honor 6X, I find it also expensive for the specs compared to the redmi 4 you can get for £100 less... however for me android 7 and a really good camera is the clincher, otherwise I would pay less and go for the redmi. I also plan to buy it from EU as it will be cheaper.

One thing that is annoying is the G5 Plus looks to have the same battery as the G4 Plus, I was hoping that would be improved.
In fact the G5 standard has a smaller capacity battery than the G4 standard.

Am I the only one that would be happy with a slightly fatter phone but which had a beefy battery in?

I've got charging cables at home, at work, in the car and battery packs in all 3 locations. As long as it'll get through a day of normal use I can live with it. Especially if the Turbopower claims (6 hours use from 15 mins charging) are close to true.

Out of interest though, is the G5 Plus' Snapdragon 635 any more energy efficient than the 617 it's replacing in the G4 Plus?

​there were reviews noting that smaller batteries coupled with low energy new chips and adding the energy efficient Nougat offsets it permitting a smaller less bulky design and specs... turbo charge if works would offset any downside of days with high usage... all in all I think the G5 plus is worth the money and expect it to be future proof for 2 to 3 years, hence why I am waiting. My Moto G2 4g I purchased 2.5 years ago is still ok, I want an upgrade now, my father will take it from me, he does not use these much appart from calls, photo and light browsing... my battery still last all day with moderate usage but 8gb of internal memory is problematic for apps nowadays.

The turbo charger I have with my G4 Plus is excellent, it is painful though when charging at a different place where I haven't got it with me once used to the speed. I know every phone and usage is different but for me I charge it every night around 8pm and by lunchtime the next day I'm getting down to about 20%-30% so need to recharge. I don't always do a full recharge then but just enough to get me through to the evening. Ideally I want a two day battery, I used to get that with an Elephone P8000 but I don't want to go down the route of a cheap import again.

I wonder if turbo charging has an effect on the battery over time. Maybe not I don't know and haven't read anything bad about it.

hmmm apparently, damage is done to the batteries in the extremes. under 20% and over 80% I remember reading.

Downloading Nougat now!

Me too. Wow I started to feel like it was never going to be released. Good on Lenovo for keeping the updates coming.

The G5 Plus has the same camera as the Galaxy S7!
If it's a decent camera u want, this blows the 6X and any other out of the water at this price range!

​Just downloaded after reading your post.

Hello Moto!

Seems a little zippier with Nougat. Split screen mode could come in handy.

Any idea when the G5 Plus is out and how much it will be? Thanks

Anything else?
Its available on my wifes G4...should she download it now?

Nothing obvious I've spotted yet. Some apps looked a bit different for example WhatsApp messages appear slightly differently. Not good or bad just different font and layout when they first appear.
The pull down notification bar is better with shortcuts along the top for wifi and batter etc.
One thing it has cured for me is WiFi had recently become quite slow on my phone. I'd often turn wifi off if watching a video as was much faster using the mobile network. Speedtests showed it as about 1meg even though the same tests using my laptop were 35meg+. After the update its full speed again. No idea why that was but it's now gone

Thanks for that, much appreciated
If I do the download for her, and it messes her phone up, then she wont be best pleased :disappointed:

​I also like how you can switch between two apps quickly by double tapping the recent apps button.

I hadn't noticed that, thanks. Yes quite useful.

​according to some article I read, base model 3GB Ram and 32GB storage will be £259 to be available in shops mid spring, which should mean late April. Pre order from Amazon in April but that is a guess.

​yup, I am happy to wait for the G5 plus...

Nougat appears to be extremely stable sorting a lot of issues with marshmallow, less cluttered, more battery friendly... more simple underneath without major cosmetic changes.

I made a separate deal for it, will make another when it's available in UK for preorder

​Battery life is greatly improved as well, normally my phone loses 30% over night but looks as though only 10% was lost last night.

Mine too. Initially I was concerned as 100% charged about 11pm last night. I was browsing using the Chrome app for about half an hour and the battery said I had 8 hours left. However I think it lost less than 10% overnight which is definitely less than normal.

Here's one how about the Huawei P8 Lite (2017) exact same spec as the Honor 6X for £169.99 !

G5 plus costs around 45 pounds more cancer on honour 6x is great actually

I previously had the Honor 4X (I think it was called) never really like emui, I installed the Google launcher in the end

there is... got it now... hopefully you have to!

My G4 only loses 2-3% overnight
Nougat has a better deeper version of Doze in built so hopefully even better!

Think G5 has a compass... listed on specs at gsmarena

'extended RAM of 3GB for faster processing power'

This is a nonsense statement, RAM has nothing to do with processing power !

Honor is significantly better than any Chinese brands... Huawei is the next Samsung, their products shows great engineering prowess and like I mentioned, the 6X is far superior in software and hardware than anything in this price range and in some cases even in a higer price bracket.

G5 plus would make a good phone but it's design is quite ugly and I suspect the specs to match the 6X will be a £100 more... and thatnks to pound flooring it, suspect that will get any better in the near future.

' the 6X is far superior in software' - ur having a laugh, it doesn't beat the (almost) pure android experience of the G5 plus, especially Chinese interfaces (including Hauwei)
As for the hardware, that depends heavily on the software. Also, the G5 Plus' camera blows the Huawei out of the water as it's the same one used in the Galaxy S7

​Honor is not bad but camera is worse by a fair bit, UI is based on Marshmallow and many people are quite **** that honor is not upgrading it once the phone is sold so there are no guarantees you'll get 7 Nougat for a while... Price difference is not that excessive for a phone 6 months newer. Pound tumble affect everyone no advantage or disadvantage to be gained there. Screen is a bit smaller and of higher graphics quality. I reviewed both and found the Honor is OK but for a bit more cash I find the G5 plus to be a better opportunity for my needs.

Does uk version have a compass?

​well, no one knows, many sites say yes in specs, Motorola says nothing and rumours say no. :confused:

Just got an email from Amazon. Will be getting the phone sooner - 21st March (am on Prime)

Gone from a lg g3 to a p9 lite. Would highly recommend Huawei. Battery life is incredible. Happy I broke my brand snobbery.

​good to know, still no update on the G5 plus...

Just ordered mine, hoping for release on Tuesday. struggled for 18 months with a Samsung J5, which I loved, except for 1.5 gb RAM. So looking forward to 3 gb!

Just got a 'Despatched' email from Amazon - should be here tomorrow on Prime.

feel free to let us know how it is!

people are receiving it from yesterday... ahead of schedule, still no news on the G5 plus, still not available for preorder, latest seems to be end of April available :disappointed:

I cancelled my preorder today and re odered as amazon had 2 offers during this period whereby if you brought gift vouchers you a) got £6 free and this morning b) got £5 free.. so as I said. I cancelled my preorder which was due for despatch tonight. NOW I have saved £11 in free gift vouchers and only have to wait until the 27th for the phone.. not bad eh? thanks amaz.

Mine is due tomorrow too :smiley:

Did you get it?
If you did is it any good?

Carphone Warehouse taking pre-orders for the G5 Plus if anyone's interested. Saying 4th April release date.

https://www.carphonewarehouse.com/motorola/moto-g5-plus.html#!colour=grey&capacity=32GB&dealType=pm

​thanks man, have you made a post?

does not display a price???

£249.99 (you have to click the part that says 'SIM only.'

And someone else did a post (which I found after.)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/motorola-g5-plus-available-buy-249-99-carphone-warehouse-delivered-4th-april-2643284

​thanks, weird there were no talks of a 2GB ram model but starting at 3GB... Price is also cheaper, meant to be £280. I expect Amazon to list soon as preorder for Normal G5 is now done... I want to see what they list...

I'm hoping there is going to be a 4GB ram model. Amazon may well not list the Plus model at all. It's only a month ago they started listed 1 version of the G4 Plus model even though it had been out for almost a year.

​ah ok? didn't know that... thanks for the info, Moto G5 plus info has been minimal so far, I am guessing to insure the G5 would sell well first... It is a bit frustrating, the G5 plus been available for a few weeks on preorder in Germany...

yep after researching, carphone warehouse has the exclusive on the G5 plus, only a 2GB model available at £250.

For the 3GB need to go to Germany at 289€... That's same price in £ than GB for lower specs...

You don't need to go to Germany for the 3GB version, just go to the UK Motorola website

​they are not selling nor taking preorders

Still says available spring 2017 and no date or price yet.

Look both of u, if 2GB is OK for u then get it from CW in 10 days. If u want 3GB then wait a bit longer and get it from Motorola!!

​is grammar optional? Motorola customer service and after sales is known to be shabby. I want to purchase from Amazon to return in case of issues and not deal with the company making the phone.

Apparently.

Being an idiot is clearly not an option for u

*you

​also as you say: "Being an idiot is clearly not an option" :stuck_out_tongue::wink::laughing:

u and you is clearly not grammatical! Doh I almost feel sorry for u

No compass. A real shame if you want to walk and find new places with ultimate ease.... I've got G4 but won't be getting one

I'd rather smaller 5 inch screen but need gyroscope to justify another £180

I just got my MotoG5 and the 'Goggle Play video player app that comes installed dos not seem to allow me to watch files I have already downloaded.

So can I ask for suggestions for the best video player for those who have a lot of MKV and HEVC files. many thanks Ian

I am thinking of VLC or MX player what you think?

​both are equally good and work fine on android... up to you! :smiley:

apart from google drive, whats best to read documents and pdf? thanks

​i use FX file explorer and it has a document reader with it, free on Google play, no add, no malware, good reviews. hope it helps

Really depends what apps you have on your phone. For example just by having snapchat notifications disabled I can go from 1 day to 3 days battery.

I've ordered the G5 Plus from Motorola direct. They are useless though. I wish Amazon sold the Plus. Forts the order was on hold and their customer service couldn't access the order system so couldn't help, they said they again later. 4 days later i tried again and this time they are pushing the order through but again still couldn't access the order system.

​I ordered too, first time my bank refused the charge (they use interpay for financial transactions, this appears to be a problem) so my order was cancelled, then grey was out of stock, then I managed again but paid via PayPal, now I have order confirmation with a number and going on the system through link shows ready for delivery estimated on the 11... high hopes this is gonna all work out now

from 16gb how much is user memory 10gb or 12gb, Isn't that too little in second or third Android upgrade if there is any that storage will be not enough. I know can expand with sd card but some apps are not movable .My G3 is 8 gb from which 4,5 gb user memory, storage is full even with card 32 gb.

I currently have the 64gb G4 Plus and Android OS uses 9.49gb of space

​yeah that's why I am changing my trusted G2, 8gb memory and 1gb ram is too little today...

I really hope Moto5 will be 32 GB as it was in the leaks or like Moto M, but this 16 gb just spoiled the good phone...

Moto g5 is 16gb, Moto g5 PLUS is 32gb..

Moto g5 has only 10GB actually user accessible and G5 plus has 24gb user accessible, they should mention this is very important. 16 GB is too little and makes device to cheap, no value.

Just had the confirmation of mine being delivered on the 11th too. Wonder why only 3gb ram in the G5 Plus. I'm coming from the G4 Plus with 4gb ram and wondering if I'll notice. I guess the bump in processor etc may offset the decrease.

​yeah all set to start delivery, release date was today officially with CPW so it seems that was a one week exclusive. I don't think anyone would notice 3GB ram or 4 unless you are gaming with heavy programmes​ runni, the chip is much better... I come from my trusted long term partner G2, 1GB ram and 8gb storage that only now is struggling.

Really cant decide between this, the £139 2GB O2 one or £249 5+ from Motorola direct.

Is this the sweet spot or is £40 to much for the extra 1GB? or is it a case of £70 is definitely worth the upgrade to the G5Plus?

​Well that depend on your use of it and how long you are thinking of keeping it. If you want a great camera and intend on keeping the phone for 2 year + then Moto G5+ is the one to go (32gb +3gb ram insures it will be future proof for the ever more demanding OS and app size and ram usage increase) on the other hand if you only want the phone for a year plus, already have a digital camera and do not game or app space is not high on your priorities then the lower spec normal one great phone and I would go for the G5 offer from 02.

Will replace 12-18 months as tend to get bored of the phone, use it for podcasts, email, facebook, occasional Amazon prime video and some games - Angry Birds, Splendour and Eldersign as opposed to fast reflex ones. Believe FB eats the RAM though hence thought on 3GB version

​seems i. your case the lower spec one is best, FB app is rubbish, I managed to get the Facebook lite one that does not require messenger, works much better, before that I was putting a shortcut to the page via chrome. that main FB app is absolutely rubbish and so is outlook.

I'm using Moto X-Play dual sim
Battery was great 3150mah i think but now got issues switching off randomly and not lasting day
21mp camera is great and i rarely see anything comparable now
Has NFC which i like here but spend a lot of time abroad where not an option to use.
I'm a heavy user and the dual sim essential was hoping for this would be a good replacement but even replacement battery, seems half my current capacity..

Any other suggestions

​perhaps you can replace the battery in yours? even if non-detachable, it may be done? otherwise even the G5 plus seems a bit out... If you have £400, I would go with the oneplus3t... Defo the one to go in terms of value for money and high end flagship requirements. IMHO

theres a company advertising replacement, but havent confirmed back to me that the battery they replace is the same power, cant see them for sale either, but there is video and not too difficult a task.
dont really wanna spend £400 on it to be honest, i use a tough case as it is but it gets exposed to quite a lot during the weeks at work.
Im looking xiaomi mi5 or note 4 pro ? possibly
the zplay, is just too pricy too really and not great advancements

My G5 Plus arrived today and I'm quite impressed. It feels like a totally different phone to the G4. Very similar in size, 0.3" difference in screen size is hardly noticeable. The changeover between handsets was a bit painful though. Previously Motorola had a great app to do it all for you but this time I used Google and the "set up a nearby handset" option. This transferred about 50% of things so had to manually download a lot of missing apps and reconfigure the screen layout etc. There did seem to be another way of doing this during the initial set up but Motorola screen suggested holding the old phone and the new one back to back so they could connect. I assume this connection would be established using NFC. The old phone didn't have this so nothing happened. Sure there must be an easier way that I missed.
The camera seems great and initial impressions of the battery looks good. The only thing I can't get working is 4G for some reason. I might try the sim in sim slot 2 just in case only one is 4G capable.

Yep SIM 1 doesn't seem to support 4G but SIM 2 works fine.