I hate to be 'that guy' but as someone who owns both an iPhone 6 and a 5s (the latter is a work phone) this phone will probably be obsolete come September/October when the new version of iOS comes out.

Even today the 5s is much slower than it should be with the latest version of iOS installed, and the 16 gig memory is severely limiting. I mean severally. You'll likely fill it up with a few dozen music albums and a couple of months worth of photos.

You'd be slightly foolish to spend £200 on this really.

Why are people so closed-minded? People *want iPhones*. I'm sure that really annoys a lot of people on here - people love to spend their time worrying what's on other people's plates, don't they.

I have two relatives in need of an iPhone upgrade. I have first-hand experience of a 5S recently and they still run great.

NO, A ULEFONE, MOTOROLA OR SAMSUNG GALAXY FLEUR FOR 50P WILL NOT DO - these people like to FaceTime family abroad, Airdrop-share photos to each other and use iMessage. Sure, they could entirely change their ways and migrate everything to a different app or service just so they can satisfy people by buying an Android but you know what? They don't want to - they like using their old iPhones.

Clearly these iPhone buying people are complete idiots who should have their right to vote revoked, but you know what - it's their choice. It's funny how people like to project their phone usage, wants and needs on other people as if their experience is a common trend among all sections of society. Not everyone downloads a lot of games or even takes a lot of photos. A lot of people still store next to nothing on their phones. For those people, 16GB is actually quite a lot.

For the record I run Android devices - I have an S7 Edge and a Lenovo P2 at the moment. I prefer many things about Android but I can at least acknowledge that to some people 16GB of storage an iOS-toting 5S are an absolutely fine fit for £200 - and it is no one's right to tell them otherwise, much as it might induce anger in people who spend more time worrying about other people than themselves.

heat reserved one to pick up tomorrow morning

Awesome have some heat!

Is this even usable anymore? I know it's cheap for an iPhone but surely it would be slow to run the latest iOS?

This or samsung a3 2016 ?

Thanks very much! :sunglasses: Reserved.

Locked, cold from me.

Better ask JL to price match.

U can buy also on giffgaff which are unlocked also u can pay monthly for alittle extra

Should state amount of GB in description or title

Locks to first sim in phone I think

means it locks to first network sim inserted

16GB is not enough!!

I hate to be 'that guy' but as someone who owns both an iPhone 6 and a 5s (the latter is a work phone) this phone will probably be obsolete come September/October when the new version of iOS comes out.

Even today the 5s is much slower than it should be with the latest version of iOS installed, and the 16 gig memory is severely limiting. I mean severally. You'll likely fill it up with a few dozen music albums and a couple of months worth of photos.

You'd be slightly foolish to spend £200 on this really.

Ignoring the warranty situation for a moment i.e. buying new from a store vs buying new from ebay; can anyone tell me whether spending around another £80 and getting the iPhone SE (on ebay) would be a better option than getting this one? From online reviews it would appear so but if anyone has any experience in this area I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

iPhone SE is a awesome phone, has same screen size as a 5, but all the power of a 6, so much faster.

These are awful value for money. It's been 2 years since I bought the same phone from very for 300 (Apple refurb but boxed like new with 1 year warranty). 2 years later, it still sells for 200??

Under-rated phone. Excellent, even now. Only concern is 16GB is no where near enough!

Good deal

I don't see the non-expansion 'option' of Apple iPhone's changing in the system any time soon either?!.

But saying that, we can but live in hope though I guess ...

2 generations behind and ~£200 , not worth it IMHO. go but lenovo P2 for that price

Much better phones can be had for £200 cold from me.

5S, such an old phone and still sells for £200 and gets heat. Fanboys are really foolish to get this over any other latest generation Nougat phones for the same price. :smile:

I prefer Android. But the A3 2016 is only really suitable for kids in my opinion. Got one for my niece and build quality is such, that she wasn't really impressed either.

I thought about getting a 5S (it's been £199 at giffgaff for ages). However, if one keeps the phone for say 2 years will it still be getting Apple updates?

iCloud solves your memory problems

I have a second hand one. If you don't mind a couple of marks on it, they go for about £100 on eBay.

Things they don't have: no Apple Pay, and no VoLTE. The latter required for 800MHz 4G coverage on EE and 3 (better indoor coverage etc)

Might just be mine but the battery soon dies under load e.g. Pokemon Go.

They're getting on a bit, but do perform well enough and are not a bad option if you like a cheap phone - better than a cheap Android IMO.

Often I vote cold by accident. This time I voted hot by accident! I really think people should think twice about spending £200 on this. The memory is tiny and the 5s is pretty much at the end of it's life - it certainly will be come the next major IOS.

Got one for my son during a BT sale a few months back (worked out under a fiver a month after cash back). Absolutely nothing wrong with the phone unless you're planning on storing loads of media files. At this price it's an a steal.

£139 refurbed like new probably with 11 months apple warranty on the o2 refresh at the moment, £120 for one with less warranty all come with o2 12 month warranty. Have a few hoops to go through and unlocked for free. They also have the SE for £220, some might look down on the refurbs but the reality is most are brand new and many of us on here got 5S for less than £100 last year and the quality was amazing.

Which they will refuse ... as its LOCKED!

(been there .. got the Tshirt)

Do Argos phones lock to first sim network ?

Thanks managed to get the last one in my store.

Ice Cold - £200 for a 3 and a half year old phone, with an awfully small battery (1560 mAh), poor storage space and 1gb of ram.

Buy a Motorola Moto G4 Play for £85 cheaper: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Mobile-Phones-Smartphones/Motorola-Moto-Play-SIM-Free-Smartphone/B01IF51GYU/

Much larger 2800 mAh battery, same storage and double the ram - it's much more future proof, even for kids who might want to play Pokemon Go for example.

Worth also considering cost per year. Buying new is expensive, but probably good to last 3-5 years.

A big word of warning about buying refurbs from Argos. Whomever is supplying Argos seems to be giving Argos Japanese imported iPhones. What's the problem? Not much. The only issue I found with my Japanese iPhone is the camera shutter sound!!! I had to return mine to Argos and they took their time taking it back.

In Japan, it's illegal to take photographs without a shutter sound and so it's hard-programmed into the phone. It's extremely annoying if you're in a shop and trying to take a photo for example - everyone turns around and looks at you. So just be careful and check your model number if you end up buying one of these Argos refurbs.

I picked mine up from Argos this morning. Tried with 3 sim first, then with O2-UK and also with another EU country sim and all worked fine. It may have something to do with the fact that 3 no longer lock their phones so as long as you pop in 3 SIM card first, it stays unlocked... who knows?

heat from me but beware , this will lock to the first sim installed and you cannot put another one in when you are aabroad, i will post the link explaining shortly

ah thats useful, and makes it an even better bargain

£200 for a 4 year old phone, you've got to be deranged.

Doesn't mean they are awful value for money. They have held their price in the market because they are a reliable phone. And the refurb phone was most likely to be £100 cheaper than a factory sealed box, so £100 drop per year is acceptable is it not?

But much faster.. for what?! I have a 5 for my personal phone and a 6s work phone and for just general usage - web browsing, some apps, youtube - there is basically no difference!

Regards memory, everything is moving more towards being cloud based anyway, so you only need enough for photos and apps so 16gb is enough for most people.

There's less and less reason to upgrade to the latest phones these days, unless you 'just have to have the latest one' because you're a sucker!

Google iphone insert Three SIM first to avoid locking, also iphone 5 16GB runs latest IOS version without an issue, latest update installed last week no issues at all and it still looks/works great, was purchased almost 3 years ago as an Argos refurb and it was like new in every way. So I can't see that a 5S would have an issue.

I was one of those who got the o2 refresh deal - I love the phone but I only got it because it was a good deal and I really needed an upgrade. Wouldn't pay £200!

I've never had any update/space/speed issues either...

Really??? I agree 16gb can be limiting, but I've had this phone for 2 years and running the latest iOS with no issues. No slowness, lag or anything. I presumme you know of a better phone for £200?

Where the hell you get it that cheap, cheapest i see is £330 just for the 16GB and like £400 for the 64GB.

So even more power then :smiley:

? the guy that posted just before you, said he tried 3 different sims and did not lock him out , so who is right.

I notice a lag on mine when pressing back on a text message. Sometimes unresponsive. Having said that I have nowtv, Netflix and Amazon video apps and they run fine. I wouldn't buy one at this stage though, not for £200

issue isn't what its like now it will be after the update later this year and then maybe next years when it may not be supported, better phone is the SE through the o2 refresh for a little bit more. Saying that this could all change if any updates to then range are announced in the next couple of weeks at the next Apple event. Could see the SE getting even cheaper as they clear out the smaller versions. Don't buy into the 16GB thing myself, there are 3 16GB phones in our house and none of us have any issues, even going from a 32GB one, its the same with ipads, good management of the device and you have plenty of space.

these are new ones though :smiley:

i have a 5s and indeed its a slug and 16gb dries up all the time its beyond frustrating. pity as its a decent phone and camera; but bloat of apps and IOS really canes the storage and capability

I got it from here: https://iphonerefurbs.co.uk/ - it came with 6 months of their warranty but the remaining Apple warranty was even longer - til November 2017. They have put the price up now though. It was virtually immaculate other than a small scratch on the bottom corner.

​what about icloud

200 bones? no thanks

get a moto play for £80.

before Apple dappers come out I have a macbook so please don't burn me.

I have one great phones

Old slow phone, soon to be obsolete, tiny (non-expandable) memory, poor battery (non-replaceable) for £200?
I guess people would buy a turd for £200 as long as it was painted white and had an Apple logo.

All the people saying the memory is too small and you can't expand it, you can..

https://www.sandisk.co.uk/home/mobile-device-storage/ixpand

Oh and the none replaceable battery, I bought an original battery for my 5 for about £8 I think it was, and it took me about 20 minutes to replace it, that was about 4 months ago and it still lasts me all day and night no problem. I've had my 5 for about 3 years now, bought 2nd hand and has served me well.

I think he is, I wrote this before I saw his post, I see no reason to doubt him

Sorry yep, you're right! My bad. Totally missed that!

Great find. Many thanks

Exactly. How does this make it 'awful value for money'? That's a ridiculous statement. That is like saying 'I bought my car ten years ago and it's only lost 1/3 of its value so it's TERRIBLE VALUE FOR MONEY'.

Argos phones don't lock to the first SIM anymore by the way. People are making the assumption that they do

You still can recycle your old 5s for cash which is up to £100, no another phone can do that. So to all Apple experts, shut the $$$$ up.

Why are people so closed-minded? People *want iPhones*. I'm sure that really annoys a lot of people on here - people love to spend their time worrying what's on other people's plates, don't they.

I have two relatives in need of an iPhone upgrade. I have first-hand experience of a 5S recently and they still run great.

NO, A ULEFONE, MOTOROLA OR SAMSUNG GALAXY FLEUR FOR 50P WILL NOT DO - these people like to FaceTime family abroad, Airdrop-share photos to each other and use iMessage. Sure, they could entirely change their ways and migrate everything to a different app or service just so they can satisfy people by buying an Android but you know what? They don't want to - they like using their old iPhones.

Clearly these iPhone buying people are complete idiots who should have their right to vote revoked, but you know what - it's their choice. It's funny how people like to project their phone usage, wants and needs on other people as if their experience is a common trend among all sections of society. Not everyone downloads a lot of games or even takes a lot of photos. A lot of people still store next to nothing on their phones. For those people, 16GB is actually quite a lot.

For the record I run Android devices - I have an S7 Edge and a Lenovo P2 at the moment. I prefer many things about Android but I can at least acknowledge that to some people 16GB of storage an iOS-toting 5S are an absolutely fine fit for £200 - and it is no one's right to tell them otherwise, much as it might induce anger in people who spend more time worrying about other people than themselves.

I'll second that my SE hasn't locked either

Ah ok, cheers

Well i managed to reserve one debating on picking it up might just put in the extra money for a SE even a refurb can anyone recommend a place

If your phone comes on iOS 9 do NOT update it to iOS 10; it absolutely kills the battery life and makes it sluggish!

Thanks very much for your advice. I will look at the SE. Cheers!

Didn't notice any performance drop upgrading to iOS 10 initially but latest update (10.2.1) has caused issues both with this & a first gen iPad Air.

Great camera on these

battery life is not good on this phone

I bought an iPhone se from Argos for a gift. That was NOT locked. Tired with various networks.

You could buy an 'as new' iPhone 6 for £170/£180. Why you would spend £200 on what is soon to be obsolete/outdated technology is beyond me.

Price must be around £100 + , but not £200 Anyway

Apple product become Fashion
Look I have Apple WOW
Do you know how much I pay for my phone WOW
Do you have Samsung - not apple BUU BUU Apple the best because we are Fashion

Want to be Fashion buy Iphone 5S for £200 16 GB - Need more storage for you photos not problem we apple offering cloud storage for £££££££ WOW

It was time when apple have quality product and good service

Game is lost with android Some can say look android stop working etc but android whats make technology move froward --- with apple we will be stuck to 5 Mega Pixel Camera in 2017 and screen res 720p

Apple each year releasing same technology in different wrap With these speed of technology change we will be stuck to Pentium 4 New MacBook Pro Intel Pentium 4 Inside in 2017

my 12YO daughter has this secondhand as well - my wife's 2YO ex-work mobile! - I think we paid £90 - my daughter is extremely happy with it though she hasn't upgraded the OS, maybe that helps.

oh - it didn't lock her phone to the 1st network either

Got an iPhone SE 16gb (like new) on O2 refresh for the wife in December for £225 so not convinced this is a good deal. Turned out to be brand new and got unlocked through O2 no issues. It's lightning fast compared to my 6 so I'd be wary of going for this.

Bought an iphone 6 from Argos last year and it didn't lock to the network of first sim inserted.

Que?

Seconded!

It's not about 'knowing a better phone for £200'. It's about knowing that in six months time this phone will become an expensive paperweight and that you'd be better off spending a little more to get something else.

not if you don't want to be dependant on wifi or have large data plan or good phone signal or never use phone abroad. I have my entire music collection and every digital photo I've taken in last 10 years on a £20 micro sd card in Sony phone.

wouldn't pay over 100 for this dated mobile

​Can you please tell me where I can get an iPhone 6 for £180? Thanks.

​

£200 for an old **** phone..... iPhone fans are idiots.

Same here. Phone running very well at the moment.

Wise words, for a crazy person :wink:

Have s look at o2 refresh google then like new are amazing quality with Apple warranty. Have a look at threads on here not all are hot due to them being iPhones but you can get one for £220 worth it over this.

Not that wise these ones aren't refrubs :smiley:

Cold! 4 year old model

Nonsense

Perhaps you need a holiday then..

does this phone run the latest nougat update or still on MM ?

Why the hell is this so hot? This is FOUR year old technology FFS. You can buy an Iphone SE with technology which is less than a year old, from O2 Refresh for 288. The SE has a better camera, better CPU/GPU, supports Apple Pay, Live Photos and will be compatible with future iOS updates for some time. I can imagine Apple dropping this 5s sometime soon, which will mean lots of apps will no longer work.This is a terrible deal. Think people, this is not a good deal at all.

Calm down mate

I just won an unlocked iphone 6s 64gb for £394 on ebay comes with box and everything paperwork in immaculate condition is this a good price ????

Sorry guys im abit clueless with tech

He's not aware of that, hes mental.

I'm usually one to defend iPhones but this is poor value for money. Very dated technology and soon to be unsupported. The refresh deals were hot at £150 6 months ago but not at £200 now.

I'd be inclined to agree with the price, its a bit old to command £200. However, is still a quick phone and its not a demand that you must run ios 10; you don't need the latest ios everything will work on ios 9 or even 8. or go the other way, if ios10 is the last os update, apps will still work for another 3 years. So not obsolete by any means. 16gb is pathetic though and is the reason i just upgraded my 5s to an se 64gb for £300 refurb. I'm a massive fan of the design of the 4/5/se

Fair play to the poster lfr512, how did you manage to get people to vote HOT :stuck_out_tongue:. (my iPhone deal went straight to cold LOL )
Great for a buy it now with no hassles, but personally I thought my iPhone SE on a O2 refresh deal was miles better (but a lot more hassle to get with O2 :disappointed: )
Cheers for posting :sunglasses: (voted hot)

I bought a mint 6 for £160, u can get better deals just by looking around

That's second hand though. You can't compare the two in my opinion. You can get a second hand car for a lot less than new too. This is an offer open to all on a new product.

A phone selling forum I go on had a mint S7 Edge with all the accessories for £280 yesterday - reliable seller too - and I recently picked one up from Cash Generator for £339. Doesn't make all new offers on the S7 Edge overpriced though as (in my opinion) they can't be compared.

The 6 might be too big for some people anyway - I know two people who even think the 5S is too big and stick with their iPhone 4S as a result!

They don't lock to first sim. This has been proven many times I bought a SE from argos two months ago used Ee and 02 in it

Don't lock to first sim. I bought a SE from argos and used both 02 and EE init

How is this hot? Way over priced.

O2 have this for £153.99.

Why are people comparing used phones to this new one?

New? Then post link please

Should be "....all the power of a 6S..."

A 30 android phone wipes the floor with this.

Voted cold. For the same price you will get better phone.

How is it awful value if it runs the latest OS with no performance issues?

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iPhone 5s comes with a collectors item - a 3.5mm earphone socket. But why Apple keeps pushing the 16GB version when 32GB costs so little more to make, does nothing for their reputation.

but not better OS