You aren't confused, you know exactly what the deal is (as you've illustrated it above), it's just not for you. This is a perfectly reasonable position to adopt, but not everyone feels the same.

​your convieniently forgetting car tax (150) mot(50), consumables like tyre(200), breakdown cover(50) repairs(250), mpg will be better in a new car (100) and lower insurance as new cars are safer (50) - so approx £850 per year to add on.
I went from a y reg volvo that cost £207 pm over 1 year to a brand new car that cost me so far £227 pm

Might have been asked many times, but still I am confused ...
After 2 years , you are out of Pocket with £4553.70 , with NO Car. Agreed roughly £2K loss (depending on which car) for a used car, so £2500 + NO CAR in the end is what you pay for driving a NEW CAR ?

An older car depreciates less but typically is more expensive to maintain. I've had an XC90 from new and although depreciation is now minimal after losing nearly all its value in 12 years, it's been costing me around £1500 a year in maintenance for the last three years. Having covered 160,000 miles, many parts of the vehicle are simply wearing out. These problems don't exist in new vehicles still under warranty so there's a genuine saving to be had there versus an old banger like mine before you even take into account savings from vastly improved mpg.

did anyone get the car... any hukd reviews?
also how much is excess mileage and is there a limit for excess miles?


the car is back in stock but more expensive
https://www.motordepot.co.uk/cars/contract/infiniti-q30-15d-se-business-5dr-dct-auto-sat-nav?leasing-type=personal&leasing-mileage=8000&leasing-deposit=250

I always used to think this was a good idea but then when I asked a mobile fitter to swap mine round he said he would but what is the point, you are still getting exactly the same amount of wear just swapping round what tyres it's on and juggling wear around.

Two reasons, firstly I was getting rid of the car before the tyres did need replacing, and also why equalise the wear so that you then have to buy 4 tyres at once? If it were 4WD then yes I'd have done that. :smiley:

Anybody had any luck with this offer? Any striking differences between the SE model and the Business pack model? Seems like a nice car, good deals cropping up quite often on these. Never see them on roads, so nice if you want something different

why not replace the fronts for the back tyres half way through the life cycle

Certainly doesn't add up at all. Before I replaced my Fiesta ST I'd done 16k miles from new. At that time, the front tyres were just short of minimum limit for replacing. I'm no high speed driver, and certainly don't do track days. My average fuel consumption being 42 mpg shows I hadn't thrashed the car in the 2 years I owned it.

According to the wiki - it's been out since 2001 - so we're both wrong. Engine code K9K

One can use both misspelt and misspelled. They are both past participles.

You mean misspelt. This is a British web site.

I had a call today and they are now saying 3 to 4 weeks

you missed That's too :P

Debatable, you mean?

That also debateable and could be challenged as should be 'Tis

Still misspelled it if you wanted to write 'tis.

This is - but try again

It's it's, Bertie.

Someone who stalks and goes out of their way to make rant is even more amusing.

Keep at it Bertie, it's what you do best :wink:

I am glad you are answering your own questions to yourself and giving yourself your own authority , t'is highly amusing with no rant needed :smiley:

The 1.5dCi dates back 20 years+.

Yes Bertie. You can have an opinion, But I can also disregard it. If you want to have a rant over tyre mileages, then take it elsewhere. I'm certainly not interested whether you believe whether I get an average of 20k miles from a set of tyres or not. As per usual, you've entered the debate late. Try getting in earlier next time :wink:

Generally, one would think if there was a significant issue with an engine like this that's been on the go for over 12 years (that I recall) they wouldn't use it.

Stop the trolling kiddo.

Applied Leasing had the expired deal again, a bit more - to count for the road tax increase - so still great value.

Pedant (the irony) but I take that as a compliment.

Missed your spell check who should we phone this time?
You can maintain it all you want and in your experience I wouldn't dispute. I do dispute you stating this is fact though 20,000 miles is average mileage for the front tyres of a front drive car. which is the statement you made. Correcting it to be in my experience, that I achieve or with my front drive car (a very specific narrow sample) wasn't your response to gozjon.

Is this the bit where you claim all innocence and that as you would put it I do not need to call people names to get my point across

No. To reiterate I am saying you can not say you are the average and claim as fact in this statement of yours 20,000 miles is average mileage for the front tyres of a front drive car.. This couples with one of your favourite statements of I relay facts, not opinions albeit last tranche (that was the title I started with) I got this out of you Am I not allowed to have an opinion?.

Or it proves that you have nothing else to do but to be a pendant to the nth degree, as per usual.


My first quote was "A new set of tyres should last 20k miles from new". Should, Bertie. Not must. I do not know which tyres are supplied with this Q30 from factory.

This is a FWD car. If you drive normally, you would fnd that you can get, on average, 20k miles from a set of tyres. And one should certainly not need a new set in this lease term.

I will maintain this given that I've done it on a number of cars in the past.


I didn't realise you were the HUKD Regulator, Bertie. Congratulations on your new role.


You can do that in your spare time, should you wish to. You are still suggesting that because I get an average of 20k miles from a set of tyres, that it isn't a fact. Grow up, Bertie.


What did I Google, exactly?


What is a Golf RS? You assume that I only drive a Golf R. Keep guessing Bertie, it's what you do best.

Correct, it is a variance and regardless of being more or less it proves your fact is fiction.
Yet you started this stating the minimum is 20K (not average). Then you changed that to 20K on front wheel drive cars on average (the mean) and then when gazjon questioned you then decided to try stating it is a fact (nothing supplied to back you up as normal). It isn't a fact and if the minimum and average was so close together (you didn’t retract your first) then there be would be something very fishy in that data that gave that conclusion.
The closest you will get to fact in this is finding a statistical significance. What you are supplying does not fulfil anything scientific other than generic guidelines/estimates and referring to those that are not independent to retrieve.

The most detailed study here available is SMMT's but it is a very narrow spectrum of the most popular fleet car over 6 years gathered from the maintenance contractor. To make your assertion of 20K being fact for the average on front wheel drive cars you would need the complete data that goes well beyond SMMT's scope and just isn't viable in being available.

See you already did and it didn't get you very far did it? Hence the contradictions between the differing guidelines of minimum and average front wheel you have already quoted above that I can see where you got from your 10 second googling.
First that is now a differing fact to above.
Second the probability that you get exactly 20K on your front tyres is zero, it will vary and is on a continuous, not discrete scale.
Third you are having a laugh that you try to suggest you are the average use case whilst driving a lease Golf RS and like to quote trackdays at the Nurburgring in it! - certainly something doesn't add up there!

Where did you get this?

im new to leasing. so i couldn't say

that seems a long time for a car that is in stock

Is it weird? Are premium marques not subjectable to poor engines?

So the SMMT has a higher average and I quoted a lower one. yet you dispute it Bertie?

I will claim it as a fact because I and many others do get 20k miles out of tyres, on average. Go to the various online tyre suppliers and read their FAQs. Are you suggesting that because I get 20k miles usage from a set of tyres, that it is not a fact?

i think she said 5 to 6 weeks....

did they give you a idea of how long it would be for delivery?

You haven't read the posts in context.

Someone criticised the engine, therefore it's weird two premium marques would use it if the facts were accurate.

Thanks for correcting my spelling though. Well done there.

no it isn't - purely estimates and guidelines exist not a precise fact. The largest study available in the public domain (done by SMMT) has the front wheel average higher than you have quoted, albeit that is specifically within scope of a certain car in fleet usage over 6 years. The independent data isn't available to extrapolate beyond that scope and claim it as fact.

I was looking for a lease with a premium feel. After reading the comments good and bad , i decided to go to a dealer to have a look at one...i was first hit with how few dealers their are but i found one in Cambridge. a total of three cars on display and one of them was a q30....not the spec i was looking for ,but gave me a idea of what the car looks like in the flesh and how it feels inside. I decided to order this lease with a 12500 mileage and 3 months initial payment. Thanks Op. just hope i get accepted for the deal and i have noticed on white available. when i ordered which was fine as i wanted white

Well, 1996-97 Mercedes altered the way it prepared its bodies for paint and the result was that all Mercedes from around 2003 to around 2007 rust very badly - known problem. Not a dirty trick, per se. The dirty trick could be considered to be Mercedes routinely refusing to honour the 30-year Mobilo no perforation warranty on the grounds that the cars have not been maintained to the contract standards.


Not a problem if it works, but ECU failures in MBs are common.


The problem with most, but not all, German cars is the perception of quality. That trait has been long gone for some time.


The GLA is a bit of a meh car. Nothing extraordinary. Very plain.

Yes, you're right. But that's even worse, unfortunately. I would trust more Japanese-owned (in some part at least) factory than German. Mercedes has too long history of dirty tricks, like lack of anti-rust layer in W220, MAP sensor integrated with ECU in A-class mk1, deliberately badly designed electrical harness in multiple models (http://badmercedes.com/ or http://www.slmarket.com/mercedes-benz-wiring-harness-issues-from-the-early-1990s-technical-q-and-a/) - just to mention the their biggest blunders. There is no time and place for hundreds of smaller.

So as long I was convinced the GLA is made in Sunderland, it was - at least for me - worthy considering, but probably would choose Q30 anyway. Now the problem of choice is gone :-)

You may find it hard to believe, but it is a fact.

Infiniti, you mean?

Wrong actually. The Q30 is made in Sunderland. The A-Class is made in a couple of places but mainly in Rastatt, Germany.

And where would that be ...

I'd rather get the 17 plate E class deal for the exact same price with 10k mileage...

I'm on the VW Passat Alltrack deal

Obviously at the extreme end of bargain.
The Yeti is a brilliant car I would definitely have another, but the All track deal was too good to miss.
I remember seeing some £99 Yeti DSG deals about a month later and would have jumped on one of those if not already signed up for the VW.

imho, leased cars need different type of insurance, which may add extra cost.

I got 11000 miles from brand new quasqui bridgestone, then 9000 miles from the replacements (bridgestone).
So your logic may have some gravitas.

My lease goes back in June after 3 years so will find out exactly what charges there will be then. But there is the BVRLA guidelines (available here) which detail things like chips and scratches cannot be through the paintwork or over a certain length.

Also things like kerbed alloys with marks over 50mm would be charged so i am worried there are quite a few things to check and possibly be charged for.

That's one ugly neo-Renault!

All 1.5 litre engines - both petrol and diesels - are Renault/Nissan made

I have a car on 3 year lease, I am two years into in and the tyres will need changing in a few weeks, service already completed in December requiring another in 4K miles which will most likely be in august.
For me maintainers was a good idea having to change a set of tyres, two services and potentially brake pads towards the end of my lease.
For two year contracts I would not recommend maintained service unless you are doing 15k + miles a year.

I used to think it better to spend a few grand on a used car and run it into the ground, but got tired of unreliability, unidentifiable problems, high tax and running costs etc.

Leasing seems to have become cheaper over the years and in many cases (agreed not all) makes sense!

I am 9 months into a 2 year lease and love it! No looking back

If you buy a cheap car, maintain it yourself and don't want to be paying monthly then leasing is not for you.

If you don't mind paying monthly to be in a new car with no MOT worries, generally better safety, economy etc then leasing is for you

Great deal for what looks like a premium car. This model is a bit light on features but at that price that's hardly surprising. Don't worry about the engine reliability it will be fine. If not will be covered under warranty (up to 3 years).

point well made i think this is the most important calculation when thinking about leasing - what amount extra per month am i willing to pay to drive a new car with modern features and improved safety etc.

I would find that hard to believe - 20K mile the average, no chance. I would think 15K tops being the average

Not all A class use renault engines, think its only the two bottom rung diesels

Depends on the car and type of tyre, you will need to change ultra low profiles within 16K miles no matter how careful you are! and a full set easily exceeds £374

Absolutely awful car, nothing but faults including a lovey habit of randomly applying the brakes even if there's nothing else on the road!! Avoid this car

So buy it new instead then and sell it after 2 years. Let us know how much you're out of pocket then.

I can guarantee you'll lose more if you buy it than what you'd have paid to lease it.

And while the platform is indeed designed by Mercedes, both cars (Q30 and A-class) are built in Infinity factory, using Renault engines.

I got told by someone on here that getting 23k miles on front set of tyres on Mk3 Octavia was bad and I was a poor driver. Lol. Some of those factors mentioned would have contributed such as weather (Scotland) and fast but windy country A roads (Scotland )..

Bigger value loss for example

Totally agree! I've gone from a 1998 BMW 528i to a Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid fully maintained for ballpark £70 per month real cost per month (taking into account everything!) got to be good at this price :wink:

Any Bentley's at this price available?

Infiniti, you mean?

Why is it weird? Infiniti is owned by Nissan. The Q30 is built on the third generation Mercedes-Benz A-Class platform and as a result, Nissan and Mercedes agree to share technology to lower their own R&D costs.

20,000 miles is average mileage for the front tyres of a front drive car.

This car uses the Renault as do Merc A Class (latest models)

What has this got to do with a lease for 16K miles. I'm leasing, I don't care if the engine falls apart 3 years after I've handed the car back.

Renault while designing this engine, named K9K did some savings not implementing a thing called crankshaft bearlng locks, which is commonly used in other engines. Bearings can be damaged in any combustion engine, especially if there is anything wrong with oil - not changed in time, bad quality etc.
Lack of locks means bearings can be damaged more easily. As the result bearings doesn't stay in proper place any more and starts spinning with the crankshaft, which obviously damages bearings, crankshaft and engine block.

It's even easier in modern engines Euro5 or Euro6 complant, where engine uses excessive dosage of fuel to raise exhaust gases temperature to clean DPF filter - sometimes fuel excess manage to get between cylinder and piston and mix with engine oil.
While normal diesel engine bearings lasts 200-300k miles, there is history of K9K engines having such problems around 50-60k miles.
It doesn't mean if you buy a car with this engine it will fail. It means the risk is higher, comparing to other, properly designed engines. No more, no less.

I looked at the Google link and nothing is specifically saying the crankshaft bearings need replacing. Sure there seems to be several related problems but I could make something up like "renault megane interior light problem" and if I type that into Google there are 88k results and probably related YouTube videos but I doubt it is considered a "common" fault.

I'm not disbelieving you but is there anything from Renault saying this should be done or some concrete evidence on this said problem?

In what?

Seems weird then that both Infinity and Mercedes use this engine

​What did you move to if you don't mind me asking?

I'm on my 2nd lease car which is a Skoda Yeti Elegance 2.0. I've had it for 46 months fully maintained for £235 a month, top spec, great mpg. Easily the most practical and comfortable car I've ever had. So it goes back in 6 weeks and I want something just as good but ideally a little bit cheaper.

What did you move to if you don't mind me asking?

I'm on my 2nd lease car which is a Skoda Yeti Elegance 2.0. I've had it for 46 months fully maintained for £235 a month, top spec, great mpg. Easily the most practical and comfortable car I've ever had. So it goes back in 6 weeks and I want something just as good but ideally a little bit cheaper.

Sometimes I think they have specials to shift some cars and hit their numbers and then they must have option to sell them on at 2 years at a given price - hence they can do a deal - I have seen this quite often

Taking it up to 10k miles per year is an extra £12 per month, may be of interest to some who would struggle with 8k

I have a 5 series currently which and had a c class before - both on 2 years 15k if you bide your time you see some good deals come up ....be interesting how the new VED affects prices.
Carhireandleassing.com is a good place to browse allows you to put all sorts of optiosn in to search against.....also mportnat that deals like this sometimes get the inevitable "8000 a year - great if you want to go to Tescos once a week"...but sometimes working out the excess mileage is cheaper than specing a 15k contract upfront.
I have a 15k contract my wife has an 8k contract and if we exceed one is 7 p per mile one is 10.7 or similar

My previous car (Yeti TDI170 4x4) lost £190 per month in depreciation over the four years that I owned it.
I believe the Yeti is/was good in that respect.
My current lease is costing me £145pm in total, I think I would be prepared to pay up to £225pm to get something in the same class as the Yeti and not having to shell out £22-25k on a new car in one go.
There are some good deals out there if you look hard enough.

The tyres fitted to a brand new vehicle are likely to last much longer than subsequent sets. A new car sits tight and straight on the road, maximising tyre life. The tyres are firmly sealed to the rim, so accurate pressures are more reliably maintained. As a car ages, the suspension components wear and cause tyres to wear more rapidly, rims corrode and let air out causing tyre-damaging under inflation. The tyres on my XC90 are lasting much longer since spending a fortune having the front suspension rebuilt a few years back :disappointed:

im looking at leasing as a option for my new car. looking for a reasonable family car under 200 a month with 10000 - 12000 miles per year. can someone explain the risks of leasing? or offer any advice

Given the interest in these 'lease deals' lately, I'm wondering what other costs are incurred at the end of the lease period...people have talked about costs of tyres, servicing but what about those nasty little dinks to bodywork (stones, people with 'wide swinging' car doors)...I assume that adds a bit to the cost to get them repaired? Or is there an option for 'general maintenance' that kinda covers these problems?

Its back. My dad may be interested haha

Most car manufacturers include breakdown cover for free on new cars, as well as cars serviced by them. As for tyres lasting 20k miles, there are so many variables that 20k is something to aim for, not any guarantee. The sort of roads you drive on, how you drive the car, how heavily loaded the car is, what speeds you drive at, tyre pressures. Even the outside temperature all affect wear rates.

Might have been asked many times, but still I am confused ...
After 2 years , you are out of Pocket with £4553.70 , with NO Car. Agreed roughly £2K loss (depending on which car) for a used car, so £2500 + NO CAR in the end is what you pay for driving a NEW CAR ?

A new set of tyres should last 20k miles from new. This deal is for 16k miles.

Most lease firms include breakdown cover for 'free' - i.e. part of the monthly payment.

- tyre(200), breakdown cover(50) - These still have to be spend for New cars as well

Wouldn't touch a diesel myself but definitely a hot deal

It's Infiniti.

Is maintainance worth for these leases?

cold - car hire

Why does the monthly cost increase the longer you lease the vehicle, surely as it gets older it gets a poorer deal in terms that the car gets worn down? I must be missing a trick here?:neutral_face:

you can also go with a 3 months initial payment and work out total £4570.38
yes it about £30ish more over the 2 years but this is good for those who don't want to pay that much upfront.

​apologies yes that seems strange

It does, if I had took out a contract for 36 or 48 months the monthly cost is more?

think it's actually 23 x £145.19 as first month is in deposit

Interesting to know as I have one and it could do with an oil change soon. Never had any issues with mine at all, unlike my previous Octavia that had its conrod make holes in the engine casing.

It could be because it's a "famous" Renault 1.5dCi engine, where you need to replace crankshaft bearings with every oil change to avoid engine damage.

While other drivers usually search for holiday targets or at least low fuel prices, happy 1.5dCi owners reading or watching on youtube "1.5dCi engine complete rebuild"
I'm not joking - check here: 107k results:

https://www.google.com/search?q=renault+1.5dci+crankshaft+bearings+problem&oq=renault+1.5dci+crankshaft+bearings+problem&aqs=chrome..69i57.13979j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Even with a 3+35 its only £164pcm.

You need to specify in the title it's a personal lease, no extra VAT to add.

Seems like a decent deal and even has metallic paint included.

Only downside is the lack of power in the Renault engine, 0-60 in 12 seconds or 0-60 eventually!

​what do you have if u don't mind me asking? I'm interested in a 2 year least with around 15000 miles

Agree on 2 year but if you are doing 2 years at 15k or 3 years on 10k for extra 30 a month it likely starts to make sense.....Eg set of tyres and 2 services probably be close to 1000 on one of these