Looks good, I don't need a new phone but that never seems to stop me :smile:

This price is rubbish: I personally bought an S7 Edge 24 carat gold edition (brand new and mint) for 55 pence off Gumtree therefore this phone with a two year warranty that's available to anyone and everybody with no risk and a 14 day return policy should be avoided at all costs.

I think this is single SIM.
I'm picking up one of these later today as a replacement for my now flaky but beloved LG G2. Although there are definitely slightly better 2016 phones in some areas, (such as design, camera, audio, cpu), this phone at this price offers near top of the class feature set at the price of a midrange phone. I would probably choose a different flagship phone if this was full price, but unless you want to risk a no brand, grey market Chinese import, IMO there is nothing to match this Moto Z at this price point. (The OnePlus 3 was similar, but it looks like they now only make the 3T which is £100 dearer.)

Negative points I thought about while contemplating this phone were:-
* It is a taller phone than the g2, (therefore less pocketable)
* It will probably have worse battery life than the g2 did when it was new (sadly my trusty g2 battery doesn't have the puff it once had)
* It has no regular headphone jack so you cannot listen on wired headphones and charge it at the same time.

Positive thoughts were:-
* Better 2k (VR daydream capable) screen and all round better hardware. (Best current bangs per buck?)
* Stock Android instead of the dreadful LG g2 android skin
* Better security offered by new supported android versions
* It supports andriod pay
* Mods can be bought to improve the battery, camera, etc. Lenovo see these mods as a unique selling point, and they will continue to support them for a while (unlike the lg g5 mods which can't be used on future phones). There are new mods being developed by 3rd party suppliers. Any mod you invest in today should work with at least the next couple of generations of flagship Motos. (Which is clever marketing as it locks you into the brand.)

There will be new 2017 phones announced soon from all the major manufacturers. They will undoubtedly up the game even further, but the upcoming flagships will come in at two or three times the price of this offer. The price of the other 2016 flagships will come down a bit soon too, but maybe not to £300.

I hope this helps you with your choice.

The cheaper OnePlus 3 seems to be out of stock at the UK OnePlus store at the moment. The £399 OnePlus 3T is currently available.
The Moto has an SD card slot expandable to 2TB (in theory), the Oneplus 3T has no SD expansion.
The Moto has twice the OnePlus screen resolution and is Google Daydream VR ready.
The OP3T has 2GB more RAM, a slightly better processor, proper headphone jack and better battery life.
The Moto is too skinny for a headphone jack and can be "modded" for better battery, 10x optical zoom camera, etc.

IMO both are great phones for this type of money.

Scorching!

Looks good, I don't need a new phone but that never seems to stop me :smile:

Good spot OP :smiley: Heat added :smiley:

I need a new phone. Those listed specs look very good.

Wow!!! This is HOT!! :smiley: Good spot OP

Which colour would look best?

battery's tiny in this thing

Review http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-z-1323027/review

First phone released without a headphone jack innovating trend setter just saying :sunglasses:.

It comes with a USB c to headphone socket.

This is also Google Daydream compatible

Oh so tempted. If didn't have my op3

Just bought Gold/white. Hope I've made right choice

I have an iPhone but I have dabbled with Android in the past with the Nexus line and Motorola - these are great specs for the price.

I wish this was the Z Force. That's the phone I would get to replace my crappy Galaxy S6 which I've never liked and I don't want to be locked in to a contract for another crappy Samsung phone for 2 years, the S8 can go do one.

I currently have a s5 I want to get a new cheapish android phone with good specs. any ideas

This is a great price, but not really that excited by the device.

Not much different , except for the extra ram

The mods are cool especially the projector one

why isn't this 499 as they were a week ago in store? is that a bigger memory size?

Ah £200 off. would have been gutted spending that £499

"QC MSM8996 Lite" ? :sunglasses:

I played with their mods in JL ... really impressed how easy it was to put them on & take them off.

walkie-talkie-mod:smiley:

Some ebayers may not be happy. Their buy it now's on ebay are more than this.
Was undecided about a new phone. Compared this to a one plus 3, Axon 7 and Pixel.
Compares favourably to all 3 so ordered.

Will this put my LG g3 to shame

Potato potato

It's a shame they don't have miracast enabled as screen mirroring is a feature I require.

​Surely the op3 is better?[/quote]http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2478169/moto-z-vs-oneplus-3-review
DRAW!

2600 mah battery is not going to cut it... probably run out by evening... Considering MWC is this weekend, a ton of new phones will be announced, these last gen stuff will drop in price...

Wish you guys would stop tempting us with these great offers.
You know we're weak:-)

What's they point of buying a phone that's 5 mm thin if you are adding another 6 mm and paying extra for it (around 50pound for the cheapest version of it)

To get more battery life :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks OP

Looks great! Ordered :sunglasses:

battery is about half as big as it should be given the screen and other specs. not to mention no headphone jack. FLAMING COLD.

I was looking for a review there seems to be a few phones branded Moto Z, there is just plain Moto Z, Moto Z Play and Moto Z Force.
I'm confused as to which model this is and what is the differences?

Seems like a really good deal so hot from me.

That's crazy price, cheaper than moto z play. Afraid it might be a misprice.

better than samsung note 4? just boughted note 4 for 275 with 1 year waranty from ebay..new!

Hot price, so so reviews

http://www.trustedreviews.com/moto-z-review

I laugh at people who come on here that have no clue about mobiles?it's simple do some research on youtube etc duh,have some :smiley:

​it comes with a USB c adapter for headphones

It's very simple, if you want a super thin phone then it won't come with a high capacity battery. Just like my mini metro doesn't have a 20 gallon fuel tank.

This is the Moto Z, as you rightly point out there are also the Moto Z Play and the Moto Z Force (not yet sold in the UK by Motorola it would appear) models, essentially 3 ranges to choose from and each range may have variations such as memory size. I don't think it's as nearly complex as you initially thought.

​I like my s6. What's the problem with yours?

Yep I've studied it further like you say there are three subtly different versions. Seems like a decent phone. Phone selection used to be easy, but now the ranges are so confusing.

Quite poor battery life

BATTERY: Non-removable Li-Ion 2600 mAh battery

The performance numbers are in line with other top flagships of the year. And while battery life may not be where it should for 2016, it makes it up for with Moto Enhancements and Moto Mods, expanding a smartphone's abilities beyond the outer shell. The Moto Z does this with a thin and stylish, yet reserved looking device. There is no doubt that the Moto Z will carry Motorola's legacy in the hands of Lenovo.

Cons
Below-average battery life
No USB transfer cable included (charger and its cable are one piece)
No standard 3.5mm audio jack (an adapter from USB Type C is provided)
Moto Mods aren't cheap


full review here http://www.gsmarena.com/moto_z_droid_edition-review-1471p10.php

Just letting people know if you are charging the device then you can't use the USB port to charge and listen which is needed as the battery life is poor. This can be a issue for a lot of people who actually use the phone for a media device and use it with headphones. Also I don't see the point in getting rid of the headphones jack. People were saying giving apple a hard time for doing it either way I don't understand why they need to take it out. I rather have something that is thicker and larger battery and a headphone jack than something thin without one and a smaller power pack. I think the z play is overall a better for me on this regard but each to there own.

Yep, still better than overrated Iphone

The main differences between this and the play is the play has a lower grade DPI screen, is thicker, has a headphone jack, bigger battery and a lower spec processor. Reviews seem to really rate the battery life with some getting 2 days. It's currently available for 330 from Amazon.
I'm tempted by this deal but put off by the lower cap battery which granted can be resolved by buying the mod for about £60 which then bumps the price and also makes finding a case tricky according to the reviews I've read.

Awesome price. £500 direct from Motorola (albeit with free JBL speaker thing worth £70)

Good spot, ordered one! Charging is fast, add a battery mod and you're all set. Incipio also offer a QI compatible battery mod which will charge wirelessly and more mods on their way this year. No issues with not having a headphone jack, used to it now on the iPhone 7 Plus - Bose QC35's are a great choice.

I have said it before . More research you do more mind boggling it gets. Cheap androids from China will have better specifications for same price but more or less lower quality . Sometimes high end old phones come down in price and are sold at bargain prices .

lmao I was just about to buy it and read that there's no headphone jack...now, not buying it. Why do manufacturers do this?

It must be u because I don't find it mind boggling..

Providing your an average to high end user and get the battery mod this is a bargain, almost flagship killer considering the price. Also Lenovo confirmed 12 new mods in 2017 and with support of a minimum of 3 years for mods unlike LG which is ditching it this year. So you know your mods are good for that period by which point the phone will be ageing anyway.

Same as the battery in your wife`s toy* probably, but while it delivers power, there`s great performance. :smile:
(*please take this comment in the fun way that it was intended)

Because the inside of a headphone jack is 3.5mm and the phone is only 5mm thick. If you want a headphone jack you need a thicker phone or bluetooth headphones and a thinner phone

Not sure why this is so hot. Awful battery, 500mAh lower than my almost 3 years old OnePlus One which was cheaper. Also no headphone jack isn't a practice anyone should be supporting.

I just wish there was a Moto phone with the battery of the Z Play with the camera of the Z. It would probably be wise to wait until Monday as Moto and other companies are announcing new phones over the weekend at MWC, which is probably the reason for the price drop.

Nice - picked on up for the OH - just got to wait for a deal on the Incipio offGRID battery mod now :smiley:

I mean, yeah who cares about phone thickness? make it twice as thick and double the battery size while you're at it.

​To be fair the times of a £280 flagship killer like the oneplus one is gone (im still using mine now) brexit and all. Needless to say the oneplus 3 which was released same time as this is going for £400 compared to this at £300 not to mention 2 years returnable within days at John Lewis as opposed to sending back to China. I would say an excellent deal for hassle free and bang for buck.

You are right. If you shop local with limited choice it cannot be mind boggling.

What colour people buying?

I'm sure this site is supposed to save me money. I'm now £300 down...baffling. Hot deal and phone purchased.

White and gold here.

soo tempted but the 3.5m seems like a hassle

How does this compare to OnePlus 3t?

Oh shut up.

this or note 4 for 275£? 1 year warranty

where is the note 4 that price?

Why is everybody talking about battery life on these. How long does this last in a day?

Sounds scorching for the price though and quite unbelievable

The answer was in an earlier comment above (in Comment 43), but also found below:

whats the difference between this phone and the lenovo moto z play:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Moto-Play-SIM-Free-Smartphone/dp/B01LX8N0FZ/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1488033783&sr=1-2&keywords=moto%2Bz&th=1

That makes perfect sense, the 3.5mm headphone socket has to have some outter ring to hold the plug so would be at least 1mm and probably more like 2 or even 3mm - so how to add a 6mm socket to a 5mm phone? :smile:

I suppose it could have a bulge in the bottom corner where the socket would be but that would look stupid!

See post 54

The Moto Z is the higher specification and thinner device.
The Moto Z Play is a thicker, bigger battery, slightly lower specification,

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/138812-motorola-moto-z-vs-moto-z-play-what-s-the-difference

Still using my g3 too. Constantly window shopping phones but nothing yet justifies a change. Only feature i would love is fingerprint reader.

been wanting one for a while great price got the black one as you cant see the sensors on the front also bought an xbox one s from argos earlier this week thanks op going to take some explaining...

Thanks OP for a great find. I just ordered one. A flagship phone at a mid range price. Heat added.

Can anyone recommend a good case for this?

For many years I used to be a hardcore Phone Freak back in the day! (I'm talking about pre-You Tube Phone Reviews and the like?, eg. 10+ years and counting ... )

And with my eyes closed I could reel off better Phone Tech speech to rival even the best of them at all the major Mobile Phone Shops and Networks going.

But that was yesterday New's, and of late, today's News is a whole DIFFERENT ballgame to that of these Phones' MO from what I remember?.

Eg. Nokia 3310 and Nokia 3330, what was the difference?, NOTHING! (other than a different colour 'face').

And Nokia 3310i and Nokia 3330i were Network Orange's version of the exact same Phone's too! (mechanically inside, there was no difference, other than the 'Band Code' it was Locked too).

Nokia 6310 and Nokia 6320i, what was the difference here too?, not much again! (other than slight cosmetic changes to the body, 1 had a 640 pixel camera, and the other a fat 1 megabyte camera instead).

SonyEricsson P900 and SonyEricsson P910, what was the difference also?, this 'turning-point' was where 'stuffs' started getting interesting (other than the semi-transparent/translucent plastic body of one, and the almost more solid/rugged wooden body of the other, one had only a 640 pixel camera, whereas the other introduced a megapixel camera to it).

And ..... the 'list' is endless! (but at the time (for me anyway), it was an easy one.

It's NOT the same World we're living in?, it's not the same story .....

Even with You Tube's help, thing's aren't necessarily guaranteed straightforward?, there's too many smaller insignificant niggles' involved .. as my above Phone example's show (that even the said 'reviewer' may/might also end up dropping the ball on, etc?).

Like I said already, the Game is wayyy different now ...

That's my 2 Cents worth.

moving away from oneplus..

which color do i go for? black or white??? which one is more of a fingerprint magnet

​I too am looking for a case for this. If you find anything worthwhile let me know please.

No idea, but the White and Gold one kind of appeals still?.

Though for me, I'm not buying one, lol. :-)

Just personal opinion ...

Leeco pro 2 was the first phone without a headphone jack.

Nillkin have some nice ones ://www.nillkin-uk.com/search?q=moto+z

Like I said,it's not difficult but people are 2 lazy 2 do some research :smiley:

Wait for the inevitable Motorola store voucher stack deal.

i think il pass on this, and keep my nintendo switch pre-order

Phone looks and sounds great!

This fell seems to have fallen under the radar with all the other flagship phones about, as I was not aware of it.

After reading the review, its main downfalls for me is the battery size and the lack of phone jack. :disappointed:

Lol, I hear you ...

No comment. :-)

I pray so!, hahahahaha.

IF such could knock off say £50 odd off of it?, then .....

Let's just say, I'm more likely to be then in, hehehehehw. ;-)

Wouldn't purchase a phone from Lenovo ever again due to the fact that they are poor at providing regular updates to their devices. It was a different story when Google first brought Motorola out, however, since Lenovo took the reigns, support has been dire.

Also, having looked over at XDA, custom rom/kernel support for this device is pretty poor.

Excellent analogy!, I fully agree with you ... :confused: loooool. :smirk:

Hahahahahahaha, amen to that!.

Not good, huh? :disappointed: dwl. :stuck_out_tongue:

They're both fingerprint magnets but the white one surely hides them better.

This or the oneplus 3? Which has the better camera?

Also, hope you dont have to send a phone back for repair. They are a nightmare to deal with.

I think the OP3T has the better camera.

Big shame about the non-removable battery. Not changing my trusty Note 4 yet.

soo tempted to buy.. next day free delivery to local JL or waitrose too. what do i do

I think it comes with a Magnetic Moto Style Shield in the box, which will protect the back of the phone (and make it a bit more comfortable to hold), but will leave the sides and screen vulnerable.
I don't think I personally want a flip case for this phone as it has an "active display" that shows notifications when you swipe your hand above the phone. This feature will not work with a closed flip case.
Almost all the bumper cases I've looked at do not fit when using either Style Shields or Moto Mods.

Unless anyone can recommend anything better or advise against it, I think I'm going to get one of these Incipio MT/384 Bumpers that just protects the sides and allows full use of Style Shields and Moto Mods, along with a hardened glass screen protector.

Great offer! I think the new Moto G gets announced tomorrow so will see specs and cost v this. Either way my iPhone and Apple Watch are getting recycled

I'd have had this if i could justify it. Heat!

Really looking forward to getting this now, especially as I'm selling my almost out of warranty Samsung S6 edge to fund it. Don't have to put much to this phone at all.

New phone, very little cost, and 2 years warranty. Winner.

Tempted by this deal, where is the best place to recycle my Iphone 6 please?

​I used compare my mobile, then chose the most trustworthy of the comparisons and one of the best prices, so I chose Gecko mobile.

Hope this helps.

Good phone, had it in past but as people have said here battery life is poor and feels a bit too thin and not as comfortable to hold. Had mine with the battery mod which gives great battery life but makes it a little too thick.
Camera was ok, finger print and software was blistering fast, but the main issue I had with mine was the notification sound, which was way too low and kept missing them. Maybe Nougat update has sorted that out. Great price though

if your looking for "bang for buck" as you say buy a refurb or lightly used s7 edge at approx £350. granted it will be used but Samsung has 2 year warranty.

I've had every phone under the sun I normally buy then change after 2 to 3 months as I get bored, iPhone 5, 6 and 7, HTC m9 and m10, Samsung s5, s6, s7 and s7 edge, you get the picture.

The s7 edge is the only phone I've had for 6 months and counting. unbelievable screen, brilliant battery, brilliant camera, superb build waterproof, sd slot etc etc, just a fantastic phone worth 600 at 350 now that prices have lowered to accomadate s8 launch def worth it.

I've also used my son's moto g4 which was great for price and then his new Samsung a3 2016 which is again very smart for the price for all the world a iPhone 6 build with glass in android form. As budget phones go i believe if you need something just to phone little gaming, facebook etc then just go for a budget phone as above from 100 to 175 max if your spending 300 plus then go with a s7 edge and you won't be disappointed :smiley:

​whats the camera like compared to oneplus 3 and s7?

thanks.

is it dual sim model?

on par with one plus 3 but s7 is in a different league, not just stills but also in video

Thanks I think, I think you have just talked me out of buying this :smirk:

Currently using a Sony z3 compact, and getting a bit bored by it and fancy something new, but really not sure if I could live with the size of this. I hear you get used to a big phone very quickly, but I really not sure I would. With so few options for smaller phones nowadays that don't compromise on build or spec, I'm a bit limited as to what to go for.

Think I need to stop, watching YouTube vids on this phone, as I'm constantly talking myself in and out of getting it. I did try a oneplus 3 which also felt big, which is about the same form factor as this I guess, but I suppose anything compared to a z3c would feel big?

I've had real problems with the GPS sensors on Motos in the past which is infuriating. Any known problems with this one?

You're going to be in for a shock once your Note dies.

Amazing price. I really wanted this phone... but I got a OnePlus 3T just 2 months ago. If this deal was on at that time, I'd be on team Moto right now. Heat anyway

​Out of interest, what did you hate so much about your Galaxy S6? I recently upgraded from a GS6 to a OnePlus 3T.

Apart from the abysmal battery life and eye-watering price I paid for the 128GB version, it was an absolutely legendary phone.

Nice deal.. Not looking for a new phone otherwise very tempting

Like new S7 edge for £350 or this at £300? Anyone care to voice any opinions on this thought :smiley:

Where can an s7 edge be had for £350? I'd jump on that, especially with a 2 year warranty

I've just bought a new silver S7E for £350,Motor Z is good at this price with 2 year warranty but S7E is a better phone..

Where from? Atleast £200 cheaper than you'd expect to pay surely..... now that would be a deal I'd be interested in!

people just talk gibbersh on here. maybe its a chinese replica samsung they bought for £300

Spent alot of hours on EBay :smiley:

take a look on Oneplus 3T, if you like android!

If the p9 lite is cheap anywhere still, well worth a look, has superior sound over the S5 for a start couldn't believe how good it was for £129

Wait for the block...

Got this phone from amazon (with 60 quid power bank) for 450 a few weeks ago when my Xperia Z1 died... Gutted it's come down so much.
I found it strange that this phone is not available through any network as IMO it's the best flagship currently available.

Battery life is fine and it charges really quickly. I'm using it all the time and get a day no problem, even with an hour or so of rollercoaster tycoon :-D Also snap on battery pack is really nice experience compared to the USB one I used to use.

Phone thickness is really nice, makes one handed use much nicer.
Screen is great as I found the Z1 a little small.
Seems to get updates. Notification volume issue is sorted. Software seems very solid.
Phone is very speedy, doesn't get too hot.
Camera good enough.
Micro SD slot is a bonus.

Was concerned about ditching the headphone jack but thought about the dozen or so times I used it in the last year... Car, kitchen radio and soundbar are bluetooth.

Comes with a plastic bumper in the box (which I do not use) as well as the nylon 'style mod' snap on back cover which has a nice feel compared to the usual plastic/metal/glass backs.

Quite confident there were loads of mobile phones without a heaphone jack before someone heard word iphone for the first time.

Block??

You're the alleged phone expert mate, surely you know what can happen.

Sorry 2 disappoint u but all is fine with my new £350 S7E :smiley:

Has this phone got all the 4g Bands in use in the uk? Or is it missing some?

Surely you'd need to the original receipt in order to get the 2 years warranty?

Early days mate, they can be blocked months down the line. I'm not disappointed at all, I paid a similar price for a fully legitimate HTC 10 which I personally prefer, even though I accept the S7 is considered better in some respects.

Got the receipt with the phone,registered it on Samsung website with the imei number with no problems,everything is OK, enjoy your HTC 10 :smiley:

It's an android, so the specs are pretty irrelevant if it's not optimised. I bet this phone is on par with an iPhone 6

That's great, and I sincerely hope all is okay for you. But, the phone is probably fine, not stolen etc., so Samsung registration is okay, but what about when the person who took out the monthly contract stops paying 02 or EE or whoever?

When one is sold that cheap on eBay, there is almost always more to the story. It should still be good as a camera and calculator though :wink:

This mod would be my favourite:

https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/incipio-vehicle-dock

It's not on contract,it's unlocked,like I said I all is fine with my S7E,thanks 4 your concern though :smiley:

Get a room you two! :stuck_out_tongue:

I can't find a grade A1 refurbished Samsung S7 edge, from a reputable seller with stock, with a warranty, for less than £430 and they're mostly around £500 or more. You can get grade C refurbs for around £350.
IMO The S7 has spectacular hardware ruined by Samsung's touchwiz software. It's a shame they no longer make stock android Google Play editions like they did with the S4 and S5.

What's the likelihood of Amazon price matching this? Got £100 of vouchers burning a hole in my pocket and need a new handset.

​I doubt it, have you seen those amazon algorithms lately?

My Note 4 is still going strong after 15 months. Bought from Amazon warehouse for £145 and it came brand new with damaged box. Just bought a new official Samsung 3220mAh battery for £4.24 from Amazon Warehouse and battery life is now much improved.

​This is a UK phone sold by John Lewis with 2 year warranty not some Chinese grey import sold by some Chinese company like Gearbest without warranty and not meant for UK and trying to dodge customs by posting as a gift from your friends in China marked much below the price to evade tax . So has all UK bands. If the 2600 mah battery life was not poor as pointed out in the reviews, it would have been a very good phone.

​what mod?

nice find

Stock android - check
Nougat - check
SD slot - check
820, ram, OLED, check check check.

Too bad the battery sucks and for goodness sake just because apple went away with 3.5mm doesn't mean everone else has to. My other complaint would be the fingerprint reader that isnt a button. it just takes up a bunch of space when the phone is unlocked, which I would say is even more of a problem on a 5.5" phone. Still pretty much unbeatable value right now though.

​Is this mod available to buy right now in the UK?

Save a ton and get the P2 instead. Comparable performance, drastically better battery life. Oh and it's a lot cheaper.

Yep!.

And Dual-SIM too ..... lol

this has similar specs to the OP3 however the fact that you get 2 years warranty just shades it for me.not needing this phone but heat added for great specs and a great price.

Similar yes, but the One Plus 3 has 64GB of internal srorage space, whereas the OP's Phone Deal only has 32GB ...

That's one notable difference, if nothing else?, lol.

true amour im samsung hardcore and will probably be paying 800 for the s8 pro on release.but was reading a lot of side by side reviews with the OP3 against the s7 edge which ive just sold.and was quite amazed at the specs.also the specs for moto z.in my opinion a lot of sellers will be dumping there handsets with discounts in readiness for the samsung releases.theres a few phones with reductions on here today.think you will get a lot more in the next month

The cheaper OnePlus 3 seems to be out of stock at the UK OnePlus store at the moment. The £399 OnePlus 3T is currently available.
The Moto has an SD card slot expandable to 2TB (in theory), the Oneplus 3T has no SD expansion.
The Moto has twice the OnePlus screen resolution and is Google Daydream VR ready.
The OP3T has 2GB more RAM, a slightly better processor, proper headphone jack and better battery life.
The Moto is too skinny for a headphone jack and can be "modded" for better battery, 10x optical zoom camera, etc.

IMO both are great phones for this type of money.

I just meant in years to come. Unless you're happy to stick with it forever.

This price is rubbish: I personally bought an S7 Edge 24 carat gold edition (brand new and mint) for 55 pence off Gumtree therefore this phone with a two year warranty that's available to anyone and everybody with no risk and a 14 day return policy should be avoided at all costs.

Moto dropped the headphone jack way before Apple with this: this was announced last June, and would have been in development long before that.

Anyone found a good screen protector and/or case?

Return it, buy this

​they didn't when I asked yesterday. not their policy to price match upon customer's request

White/gold out of stock :disappointed:

That made

Wouldn't it be mint if it was brand new ? Lol

Navigation keys on screen or body like op3?

Anyone seen any bargain moto mods like the Projector?

​I'd like to know if they have as well.

Just a thought. Can I purchase it online, pick it up, return to store and buy again for same price? I have a 100 bt reward card but since you can't split payments online, I could only do it in store. Unfortunately I'm in Italy till Friday so wouldn't be able to visit the local store until then (when promotion will have finished:().

Cheers for any advice:)

In fact John lewis offers 90 days return policy.

Edit: this seems to have changed to 35 days now.

If you've changed your mind about your purchase, please return it in its original condition with proof of purchase within 35 days of receiving your order (90 days if purchased before 1 February 2017) and we'll exchange or refund it. If you return your order to a John Lewis shop we'll process your refund immediately.

I have the P2. Beast mode on battery and good build quality other than a loose volume rocker. I used it for Android Auto and it was flaky, kept disconnecting. Google Pixel worked perfectly. Camera on the P2 is woeful.

35 day, just reading this. Looks as though they changed from 90 days on the 1st of feb

I dont think I can return the phone I've used for a few weeks unless it's broken...

If amazon price matches in the next few days perhaps I could be refunded the difference but unlikely as I got the 'free powebank' promotion.

I'll just have to live with 90 quid difference being the price of needing a phone a few weeks before MWC

​problems with youtube sync

Is this dual sim? Would this be a good upgrade to my LG g2?

Never heard of Android Auto. Is it a niche function? The P2's camera is competent, which is all some users need it to be (I don't really consider camera quality when purchasing smartphones, because I own an actual camera).

Ordered. Heat. What cases are people looking at or buying?

Android Auto is an app which connects to a compatible car entertainment system and mirrors Google Maps, Music, OK Google, Phone, etc.

https://www.android.com/intl/en_uk/auto/

I've never known or seen anyone use this feature - even my most die-hard Samsung-user friends with their Qi car docks don't use it. So yes, I would say it is a niche feature. I don't even know anyone who uses Apple CarPlay, and manufacturers and car salesmen actually promote that.

Just for reference, I don't live in a little village called Greendale.

or xiomi redmi note 4...

​no UK warranty - certainly not a 2 year one. No mods, probably pretty rubbish potential for upgrades in future - particularly security ones.

Be careful man! This is hot deal, do not burn down the house! First of all the John Lewis is the best place where can shopping, and this phone is fckn pretty! Has personality not like the iPhone! Good specs, bad battery but who cares? Do not marry your woman if she can't cook?

Bought this from Amazon a short while back for £450 with the battery mod and it's an amazing phone, VR with it is amazing!! Battery without the mod is fine I can get a day of med use, with the mod a day of very heavy use (I gamed/watched movies for 4hrs straight yesterday and still had 50% of main battery left)!

The mods are cool, slap it on and it recognises it straight away, it's USB C so your current fast chargers won't work, you'll need 3a or higher USB C chargers to gain fast charging away from the main charger, as for earphones I use BT ones anyway so a non-issue for me.

Would a USB-C to Micro USB charge the phone as I've got shed loads of USB chargers at home including QuickCharge 3?

Can the navigation Key's be changed from on screen to physical like op3?

You can charge it with any charger, however to get it to fast charge it must pump out 3+ amps, QC2 and 3 chargers will not do this at 5v so you need USB-C specific chargers. But any charger will work with a USB - USB C cable.

I use it everyday for work and it's invaluable for me. Voice search for directions, texts, phone, music - no danger of being caught using a mobile by the police.

Horses for courses.

Yeah, that's right!, it's true.

I read about this in 1 Paper at the back end of last Month/January 2017 sometime? (Mirror Newspaper, Mail, or something?, can't remember now).

It's a shame really, but, what the hay, huh ...

White/gold OOS

This or the Honor 8 which is £20 more directly from Honor?

Obviously this one :smiley:

I don't have the P2.

But I know someone that does ...

But, fair enough?.

I'm assuming the Mobile World Conference in Barcelona, Spain has/makes a massive impact towards the pricing structure of Mobile Phones around the World then?, or ..... (genuine question, as unfamiliar with how that side of things work?)

Thanx. :-)

Ordered 2 of these, thanks!

I think this is single SIM.
I'm picking up one of these later today as a replacement for my now flaky but beloved LG G2. Although there are definitely slightly better 2016 phones in some areas, (such as design, camera, audio, cpu), this phone at this price offers near top of the class feature set at the price of a midrange phone. I would probably choose a different flagship phone if this was full price, but unless you want to risk a no brand, grey market Chinese import, IMO there is nothing to match this Moto Z at this price point. (The OnePlus 3 was similar, but it looks like they now only make the 3T which is £100 dearer.)

Negative points I thought about while contemplating this phone were:-
* It is a taller phone than the g2, (therefore less pocketable)
* It will probably have worse battery life than the g2 did when it was new (sadly my trusty g2 battery doesn't have the puff it once had)
* It has no regular headphone jack so you cannot listen on wired headphones and charge it at the same time.

Positive thoughts were:-
* Better 2k (VR daydream capable) screen and all round better hardware. (Best current bangs per buck?)
* Stock Android instead of the dreadful LG g2 android skin
* Better security offered by new supported android versions
* It supports andriod pay
* Mods can be bought to improve the battery, camera, etc. Lenovo see these mods as a unique selling point, and they will continue to support them for a while (unlike the lg g5 mods which can't be used on future phones). There are new mods being developed by 3rd party suppliers. Any mod you invest in today should work with at least the next couple of generations of flagship Motos. (Which is clever marketing as it locks you into the brand.)

There will be new 2017 phones announced soon from all the major manufacturers. They will undoubtedly up the game even further, but the upcoming flagships will come in at two or three times the price of this offer. The price of the other 2016 flagships will come down a bit soon too, but maybe not to £300.

I hope this helps you with your choice.

if I hadn't brought the axon 7... this would be my new phone

MWC will make a difference as various manufacturers will be announcing their latest 2017 models which obviously will impact sales of their current ones as buyers will delay the purchase if the next gen can be had for the same price in the next month or two. Hence the current models will tend to be discounted just before/around the next gen is announced.

I've decided to jump in and buy one, upgrading from my trusty Nexus 5, although may not open it initially to see it any other offers pop up in the next week or so and take advantage of the 35 day return policy.

Motor Z got rid of the headphone jack b4 apple..

Someone has to use it. I didn't say no one did - just agreed that it's niche.

Does this have 1 or 2 sim card slots with dedicated sd card slot?

The fingerprint reader sadly has to be on the front as the back can be used for the Moto Mods.

TBH isn't the adoption of Apple Carplay and Android Auto going to take time to permeate down from being supported in relatively new cars. This will take a few years until it reaches wider adoption and starts hitting the 2nd hand market? This maybe why I get the impression that interest in these have cooled given the contrast with the frantic pace the mobile industry typically works at. Whilst we're on this subject given the original mandatory wired connection for Android Auto (not sure if that's still the case) then the Moto Mods could come in handy with the car dock and charger which supports data as well (which I don't think it does currently).
So question I was bouncing around the other day, if a car only supported Carplay or Auto and you happened to be in the other camp, then would that stop you from buying it? I got the impression that more recently some manufacturers where hedging their bets and trying to support both to avoid this.

Most cars have dual functionality. My Mondeo does both CarPlay and Android Auto. I think that's the case for most car manufacturers.

As I understand it, this can not be connected to a monitor or TV via HDMI, so has anyone seen a HDMI out Moto mod?

Can I just say, it Michael Fisher approves this phone, it should be enough for anyone to buy it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmLU1aiqOL4

Why are u telling me this? :smiley:

Great price, but still happy with my current phone.

​Can I just say, nobody gives a dime about what a paid reviewer says.

It doesn't look like you can use a USB C to HDMI cable at the moment, but you can always use a Chromecast to mirror your phone wirelessly.

Would be very tempted if the bezel was not so big (crazy having a fairly high end phone nowadays with such a big bezel).

Still hot from me for people that are not so fussy as me. :smile:

Leeco Le Max 2. Great phone at great price approximately £160 on sale. No audio port. But I use Bluetooth anyhow.

Only 1 Black one left!!!!!!

Have you seen / held it in person? It may not be too bad.

Until a year ago, I was not into large phones either, but ever since I've had my 5.2" phone, I've been converted & wouldn't mind going even larger - up to 6" even.

All gone........

Yeah, that's very tempting after the recent price cuts, but too many niggles for me.

Being Motorola, notoriously terrible for repairs, how does the warranty work ?

OOS

OOS in white. 5 Left in black.

Probably Lenovo actually, & according to the Consumer's Right Act 2015, the onus is always with the retailer to honour the warranty. So, in short, any problems within the warranty to be taken up with JL only.

OOS now.... for both models

Oh man, just went in store and had a play with the Moto Z. Must say, its the best looking flagship out there by far. It looks absolutely jaw dropping. The camera hump at the back hardly matters. It looks stunning in black than in White coz it hides the sensors.
Superfast, no bloatware unlike Samsung. All in all, such a beautiful phone.

The only problem is the less capacity battery and being non replaceable, i can see where it will be after a year of lots of charging.

Also, for some reason, the processor in the UK version is less powerful than the US one. Its 1.8 compared to ~2.2 in the US model. I dont understand why manufacturers do that :disappointed:

​I'm not worried about the actual size of the phone as I have a Note 4 for work so I'm not worried about even going slightly bigger than that, but it's just a total waste of space having massive bezels on a phone (you could probably squeeze a 6" screen into the same size phone us this without the massive bezels).

Not my experience with Moto X with CPW ...
http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/motorola-moto-x-force-owners-club-2395141?page=5#comments

Didn't read the whole thread, but it looks like you didn't enforce your consumer rights with CPW. Once you approach the manufacturer directly, the retailer will usually step back & avoid their responsibilities. Anyway, we can go on about this here, but it's off topic in a deal's thread so let's not discuss it further.

Ok, I understand. You need something like this then to be totally satisfied - a Xiaomi Mi Mix. Quite expensive though.

A review: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/review/android-smartphones/mi-mix-review-revolutionary-xiaomi-mi-mix-is-breathtaking-discount-3652484/

Do these do wifi calling ?

OOS both colours now. :disappointed:

my 2016 c220d don't see it, most 2017 mercs do though.

I have exactly the same feeling as I finally move from LG-G2 to Moto-Z, currently downloading 1.5 GB android upgrade !!!

You do know that Michael fisher is one of the most respected people in the mobile industry right?

He's never done sponsored reviews for payment during his time at PocketNow or on his own channel. He's not MKBHD.

Go do your homework keyboard warrior :wink:

As long as it's not Michael Fish:smile:

Me too ....blimey!

300 quid for a phone :laughing:

Cold, out of stock!

OOS

Expert reports say that the MOTO G4 is as good as this, at half the price ...... ??

Dunno which export reports you've been reading pal! :confused:

All sold out now.. I should have been quicker.. Well done to those who managed to get one.

Just wow, all points very well put together and compares with my experience of the LG G2.
I agree with all your points above and in addition, for me, it was the additional internal memory and expandable memory, better camera back and front that helped me decide.
I hope they better the price for the projector and I am keen on getting one. I don't care so much about the battery pack as I am quite used to carrying a small battery pack on me to keep my LG G2 chugging along.

Picked mine up this afternoon. After trialling a Google Pixel, Lenovo P2 and OnePlus 3T this is by far the smoothest, best built and best looking. Thanks again to the OP.

I ordered and still undecided but seeing this helps haha! you think it's better than the pixel? I have a iPhone 7 plus and as good as it is I could sell it and use this and pocket about £400-£500.

often charge my phone tonight whilst i drift off to music. need a separate headphone jack for that. don't want to doze off in expensive headphones. but still have some heat, op. good find.

It's not better than a pixel but u ain't gonna get a new pixel for £300

No definitely not, to be honest I think the Pixel is waayyy overpriced! for what you get basically a HTC phone with stock android, no waterproofing, sd card etc the price they are charging is ridiculous.

​honestly I was the same regarding phone size. after going back and forth from mainly Apple to Samsung as let's face it both operating systems are good at what they do so im no Apple or Samsung fanboy lol. I bought a s7 which in fairness is a great phone when I picked it up locally the couple I bought it from both had s7 edges and straight away I thought I'd possibly made a mistake looking at envy at the screen clarity sleekness and build quality. then as soon as I got a s7 edge in my hands everything about the phone is quality. I quickly sold the s7 which retained its value nicely :wink: and bought the edge and now i don't think I would ever go smaller on a phone, saying that I wouldn't go larger either. I would say the only very minor let down on the phone are the speakers they are not as good as the HTC m10 but then again come on we don't buy these things to be our main music players, if you like your music then just hook upto a decent Bluetooth speaker or headphones and away you go :smiley: btw another point no disrespect to the moto phone which btw I think are doing a great job it just won't hold onto it's value as well as the Samsung so if your like me and change your phone every 3 to 6 months buy something which doesn't make a big loss. hope this helps :smiley: you m8.

​True that's the risk you take but PayPal cover for 3 months I believe and worse case it could still be sold for spares for around £250, plus totally illegal to block, buy from someone with good feedback or pick up locally from someone who's been on gumtree for a few years :smiley:

​I bought the HTC 10 and fell in love with the phone first few weeks, plus sense is so fluid. Then I sold it bought s7 and s7 edge and in all honesty the s7 edge blows the HTC away it almost makes it feel and look old fashioned and it's hard saying that as HTC invented smartphones. If only their phones could be lighter and thinner with Samsung screens then htc would be playing with the big boys. The metallic finishes are stunning but I kept worrying about scratches and dents plus after a few weeks dust started to accumulate around the edges of the screen which made me go OCD lol. just turn the tap on gently and swill the s7 edge, a quick rub and were all shiny and new again sweet.

You never really pocket anything - it just gets wasted elsewhere then you forget about it. That's my experience anyway. Just best to stick to the phone you like best.

​Nope, phone hasn't been out for 2 years and if you contact Samsung it's pretty much like Apple they want serial and imei if both check out it shows them if handset is in warranty or not.

​Touchwiz was one thing I despised too but in all honesty it's definitely improved, after Nougat 7 update the phone is lightning and super fluid. plus if you hate touchwiz just install a launcher and set it up as close to stock as you can. I find nova launcher the best.

If you don't care about warranty and are super brave then root, install a custom recovery and custom rom and Walla your on super turbo hehe.

​Touchwiz was one thing I despised too but in all honesty it's definitely improved, after Nougat 7 update the phone is lightning and super fluid. plus if you hate touchwiz just install a launcher and set it up as close to stock ad you can. I find nova launcher the best.

or if you don't care about warranty and are super brave the root, install a custom recovery and custom Rom and Walla your on super turbo hehe.

out of stock

New Moto Mods were announced today, including a gamepad, battery packs and an Alexa speaker mod. Click here for more info

Was going to wait for the Galaxy S8 but with these cool Moto Mods.... Sold!!!
Instead of buying lots of generic accessories with every new phone, it's refreshing to see add-ons designed to perfectly fit the phone.
On my shopping list (should I manage to find the missus credit card) are:
- projector mod (should make work presentations interesting)
- camera mod (10x optical zoom)
- JBL speaker mod (should sound awesome in the squash court)
- the newly announced battery pack sounds awesome
- game pad
The only thing letting this phone down is the lack of HDMI.

Ooooooooooo!, interesting?, I'd gathered something along those lines ... (but obviously not 100% sure?).

Thanx for that. :-)

I have an iPhone 7 Plus as well but the Moto is just for work. The Pixel (not XL) was OK, just felt a bit overpriced but some key features missing and mine had a very loose volume rocker. I just liked the look and feel of the Moto Z and the options for adding new features via Mods.

Choosing a phone is really all about personal preference and what you need the phone to do. As an example I donated my Lenovo P2 to my 11 year old son as he wants to use it for Pokemon Go - the 5,100mAh battery just keeps going and going! It does everything else OK, just not to the levels of most flagships phones. But at £200 it's really good value.

Where can I find a new P2 for £200?

Here:

http://www.three.co.uk/lenovo/p2/plans?memory=32&colour=Grey&plans=monthly

It's unlocked but you'll have to pay for £10 PAYG credit unless you already have a 3 contract.

Went down to JL store, they still selling it at store. Hope it help someone.

Just bought one from JL Solihull - they had both colours for this price

I thought i would try my luck with JL brent cross, no stock and the advertised price was still £499

this is really annoying because moto mods that im interested in are finally coming and i missed out on this great deal, used ones are still going for £350 on ebay for comparisons sake btw

Just picked one up in John Lewis Glasgow. Shelf price is still £499 but scanned at £299 with no issues.

well I bagged one before it sold out, after I killed my trusted s4

Good cases or screen protectors?

The two I bought arrived a few minutes ago. Both charging now. Mine started at 72% and the missus' at 0%!

She's a little bit gutted that I get to play first!

On 2nd update. 1st one updates Marshmallow slightly, 2nd one is 1.46GB and Nougat.
First impressions are good. Optional back cover a little slippy and bumper ugly but give good protection. I'll get something nicer later.

Will be interested in your opinion on this. Mine's still in the box debating whether to keep or return. Very interested in battery life as I'm having top charge my nexus 5 a few times a day now.

Too early to say but I'm down to 65% after synching with my old phone, doing a partial transfer and doing the 3 updates.
3rd update sorts system volume issue.
4th update (139.2MB) notification volume update and other boring stuff...
Phone is guestimating I have 2 hours of battery left at current usage! Think (hope) it's confused due to all the updates.

The updates seem to be never ending. How many times does it update? On my 4th right now.

What the hell happened to miracast support???
Will only connect to Chromecast (and that's a little flaky too).
So, no more wireless projection to smart TV's and any Microsoft products.
Gutted!!

You might be able to find an app for this. I used to use iMediaShare but I'm sure several other options exist.
I currently have BubbleUPnP installed, which may work for you too, but I don't have much need for it anymore. Smart media boxes, tvs and Chromecast enabled apps mean I seldom use it anymore.

Bought one on Sunday for next day collection fromJL Brent cross still no Moto z. called them today sorry out off stock please wait ... Any advice ?

It's back in stock now so you should be ok, especially if you have already paid as it's now full price!

Bought this and paid for it via PayPal on 25/02/2016. Been checking my order status daily and from "being processed" it turned today to "on back order". JL have charged me. In fact the charge for 299.99 showed on my credit card the day after ordering. Phoned them up and they wanted to cancel my order, charge me 400.00 full price and then apply a credit to bring it back down to the sale price I bought it at. I told them I didn't want to cancel my order, just send my phone out since (by their own admission) they still have the phones in stock only the sale is over now.

They were having none of it. I had 2 choices: either go along with their plan which if my credit card fraud team didn't get involved in first and prevent happening would leave me at least temporarily with charges from JL totalling 699.99 for a phone that hasn't even been sent to me or I could cancel altogether. I reiterated to them I'm not accepting being charged 400.00 for anything on top of the 299.99 I've already been charged for, I just wanted my phone sent out since I've paid for it and payment has been taken. They said they'll get back to me within 24 hours to try and resolve this but I'm mightily unimpressed by JL who already have my money (thankfully paid via Paypal so I'll not lose a penny out of this) and their baffling change of status today from processing my order on the 25th, 26th and 27th to saying it's on back order (even though they have the phone in stock still!)

What a farce from a company that prides itself on customer service. If that was some Chinese warehouse worker offering me those solutions I'd be screaming "SCAM!" as I'm sure most would. Shame on you JL. I'm in the mood to cancel this order altogether now and shop elsewhere you've handled this so badly. Why not just send out my freaking phone instead of all this talk of charging me another 400.00 then crediting me????? Not a chance.

I agree with you greenandwhite I had the same issue they cancelled one of my order with no information and the other one went through and had the confirmation and two phone calls confirming that they will post it but then receive an email today saying that its out of stock all though they were going to post it.
I emailed them today after seeing that they have it in stock for 499 so they should post my item which I paid for.
I revieved an email tonight saying this is your product guarantee for your phone etc which is also very confusing too.
jl had the best customer service but I think its not like that anymore.

I am considering returning it, is there something specific I need to know about the process?
I haven't damaged it, and paid via Paypal credit.

WOW, WOW!, at £499.95, it's now like ALMOST DOUBLE the price of the original £299.95 price tag?!, hmmmmmmmmm. :-(

What's wrong with it?, or you simply changed your mind?, lol.

Youngstud I had the same thing but just received txt message it's ready to pick up. Finally!!!!

Nothing wrong with the device, changed my mind yes. (I thought I would be ok with no 3.5mm audio jack, it appears not)

Just typical, bought this to use as my work phone and they've just announced they are replacing all mobiles (my old phone was a Lumia 625) with S7's. Will be sending my Moto Z back to JL unless someone here wants it for the JL offer price?

Hi, Was it the black or white version? Has it been opened? Thanks

If someone has one in white that they are thinking about returning, LMK.

​I had the email today saying that its been posted finally. but they tried though:) asked me if I wanted a return as they weren't expecting any stock in soon I suppsie they have sold a lot of the same item at lower price but I said no I will wait for the stock in and the stock was in at much higher price but they finally posted which was paid for any way.
now I'm thinking how can I get rid of my new lg g5 just bought 35 days ago from argos as their return policy is for 28 days I think.

Doesn't it come with an adaptor ?

Can anybody recommend a decent case for this phone? After something to protect it from any scratches and bumps.

Would have been nice if they included a type -C USB cable (not everyone has one laying around).
Going to try rooting it and modifying the build.prop file to enable miracast support (wireless video apps need home WiFi or second hotspot, miracast is direct device to device).
Google pulling miracast support from the Nexus, Pixel and this device is a huge let down especially as it can't do MHL, slimport or USB-C to HDMI out.
Before anyone mentions Chromecast, you can't directly connect and stream to Chromecast without an external WiFi network (that includes guest mode).

Have to return mine no finger print scanner working or showing in settings. Tried all the usual reset etc. No joy.
Other than that was impressed with the phone and the jbl speaker mod purchased with it.

mine is in limbo, still showing processed, they sent me the extra year warranty via email, that's it, customer service is shocking.

Mine has now been sent and is tracking

Got it now, upgraded to Android 7

So for those who got theirs, how is it going and what are your impressions?

Seems a bit quiet in here given my experience of previous threads.

Few days in and enjoying using the phone for the most part.
I've enables developer options and brought the icon size right down as it looked like a toy after my Note 3 running a S7 edge ROM.
Phone is lovely and quick and no hangs yet.
128GB card taken from Note worked straight away.
Back cover is stupidly slippy and supplied bumper too wide and spoils the look of the phone. Looking for something a little slimmer to replace the back and bumper.
Can't comment on the mods as I don't have one.
By far the worst thing about the phone is the lack of dedicated physical buttons for home, back and overview. Hate having to swipe down and press soft back button to exit a fullscreen app.
Overall, for the money I'm happy. The better half is over the moon with hers too.

I am enjoying it as well
Thanks for trick to turn the icons small
I have changed dpi to 500 in developer settings

Hows the battery life chaps?

its a day at most

Not ran out during the day yet and I've played clash of clans for an hour which is a big battery drain.

I think an endurance rating of 50 hours will make it last for a day in the first year but come 2nd year i think the usage will go down as the battery depletes :disappointed: But hell, who knows if we will have the phone in the 2nd year :P

- bezel too huge for a 5.5" phone (LG managed to to make a much smaller device three years ago with the G3 and same screen size.
-Finger print scanner should have been a combo home button (like the S7)
-Would have taken it back had we not unlocked the bootloader and rooted it (done it to enable miracast which was missing from this device).
-wireless mirroring is still weak and flaky.

Samsung S7 edge is far superior in every way.

Love the insta-share projector though.
The turbo charge is also very handy and cool so battery life is no longer an issue.

I Like the handset its so thin, but returned it today as its too wide, and issues you mentioned.

Can anyone recommend a SD card for the Moto Z? I've tried a class 10 Samsung but the phone says it's too slow? I know there are other SD cards U1, U2, U3 etc.. But what is the best for using the SD card as the internal storage option without getting the slow message?

The lower bezel has to be big, because Motorola can't move the fingerprint scanner round the back because of the Mods.
IMO although a large lower bezel is less pocket-able and one-hand friendly, it's not all bad, as it's much easier to wake the phone when it's lying face up on the desk. Scanners on the back are less convenient once you've put the phone down.

happy enough with mine, not a heavy user , so battery life is fine, loud speaker isn't the best, that the no headphone socket is a pain, I know you can use adaptor and blu-tooth but they should of made a headphone socket.

Anyone put a custom ROM on theirs?