Clearly not guilty enough to prevent you from relaying this information to the entire world.

You're mistaken

​can your ps4 run pfsense?

no? well now you understand how pointless your point was

If in any doubt http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review

You may be right that the T version does not gain much in idle, but the non T equivalent of the g4600t is the g4600 not the G4400, and that's about £10 DEARER than the g4600t at the moment. So if you want a slightly faster cpu with higher power consumption for slightly more money that's the choice.....

Has anyone used this processor with Kodi and got perfect 24fps (23.976) playback?

This looks like a cheap way of upgrading my HTPC for future 4K use as an alternative to the Nvidia Shield or Odroid C2 etc.

I have the same motherboard... I had to flash the bios using my 6600k

​did you need to flash the bios?

oh look its mr million dollar mattress man....again ...

​6 gaming rigs lmao. must have alzheimers and keep on building them forgetting he done that yesterday

Thanks for repeating what I've just said - each has their own uses and merits. Minecraft? I don't really play computer games, and if I do a browser game is sufficient. I could run Crysis 3 on max, but who cares? And why would you own 6 gaming rigs when you only have one pair of eyes?

128GB is very useful for many tasks when you are working with data. As you are only playing games you don't seem to understand this. We max out memory on most boxes at work. Servers often have way more (768GB+). Again, that's a different use case.

Oh these endless console vs. PC fights are simply stupid and pointless.

Can you stick 128GB RAM into your PS4? No? Well... then you cannot do everything I can do with my PC. Bad luck, you'll never analyse a large data set on a PS4. But it also wasn't designed for that. And that's the point - PC vs. PS4 have different use cases and customers.

​i would ignore him. he's already had multiple posts deleted for ignorance. last person i would take advice from

Nothing as far as I can see, but your requirements are pretty specific, so real world reviews of a good mobo to suit your needs on a UK bargain forum are going to be extremely few and far between.

Hello again Wotan and thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm a bit confused, my various posts have mentioned that it's going to be a better than basic office machine, no games, on-board graphics for 2 screens, 6 SATA (excluding M2), 12+ mix of USB3 and 2 and an ATX sized board; what did I forget please?

Would be a bit difficult because nobody has your exact requirements.

I've just put together an office PC with this and the gigabyte H110-S2H. Very please with the end result but the mobo only has 4 Sata ports do would be useless for you.

With stock cooler I'm assuming?

Btw guys, these new sellers legit?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/ol/B01F9G414U/ref=mw_dp_olp?ie=UTF8&condition=all

They fixed the issues with the "heat" by putting ventilation at the top

This case is perfectly fine for the components we're talking about

This processor and a 1050ti produce a minimal amount of heat

Review for the case

Not enough space and not enough cooling

This review is from: RAIJINTEK METIS Aluminum M-ITX Case, USB 3.0* 2, Compatible with Standard ATX Power Supply, 170mm VGA Card Length, 160mm CPU Cooler Height, 120mm Performing Fan Pre-Installed, 7 Colors Option - Red

Pros: - Small
-Stylish

Cons: - Space. Okay, it indicates it can suck in standard ATX PSU, but I'm having trouble to squeeze in my ATX PSU or SFX PSU, without pressing my GPU backplate. The PSU cables not just touch, but It actually presses my GPU to inclined. In the long run, the power cables or GPU, one of them must be damaged because of the pressing. ( Right now, because I had to squeeze the PSU in, the cable alright shows sign of wears, hope Newegg won't charge me for RMA)

- Air flow. Don't buy this case ever if you're running a long video card. I have a 10'5 long RX 480. So I can only fit this in by removing back panel first. It's okay though. However, Due to lack of top air offtake, as well as it expand the whole case thoroughly, the video card stucks in it's own heat. How serious about it? Constantly up to 80 degrees while I was playing overwatch, then frozen and shut down. Now I'm waiting TT V1 case and open the side panel so at least I don't experience High Temperature Shut Down anymore.

-No cable management space.

Other Thoughts: It's my first time build a mini-itx system. (I only play Overwatch with 144hz monitor, I thought mini-itx with moderate specs should works just fine) It's awful. So many "gotcha" that I was not prepared. I just wanna say, if you're planing a high performance mini-itx build, make sure you put cooling top propriety. The design of the case will be the most critical.

atleast get this ITS NOT THE BEST but good on price and most importantly its non-modular - http://www.kwizz.co.uk/cronus-non-modular-600-watt-80-cert-psu

i only use bequiet and corsair for my builds

Why not? I thought u were a cheapskate looking for a 1050ti :stuck_out_tongue:

It's cheap cos it's on ebay :confused:
FSP make quality kit; they're used in servers and all sorts of other overpriced kit :man:
I thought this was a thread on buying cheap pc components but you keep spending your money on overpriced coffee if you want :wink:

That PSU looks ancient. No way I'm gonna use old PSUs, let alone used.

With components like that you won't need to worry about air flow and temperatures

please dont use cheap psu's

Check out the video link above, I'm sure you could run a G4560 with a 1050 ti using the 80plus psu above which happens to be less than a tenner on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FSP-Group-FSP300-60GHN-300W-ATX-Desktop-Computer-Power-Supply-/381449308896

I think it's pointless paying the extra money for the T when the full fat consumes **** all power in any case even in a full case! ie G4400 is 15watts at idle see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwv6ypQVDaw

Looks like a very tight fit, worried about air flow. If only fully modular PSUs were cheap or can I get away with an SFX? 8gb ram, 1ssd, 1hdd and 1050ti. How much wattage does the PSU need to be?

Just got mine too... also check out the raijintek metis

Got dispatch email just now :smiley:

Is there a better itx case than the thermaltake core v1? Smaller?

you know you're better off just buying the cheapest board you find since your not a gamer then i guess you wont be overclocking or anything so just get a gigabyte 110 series anything you get make sure its the 110 series not the 81 because from what i heard only the series that is 100 above on anything weather its asus gigabyte or even msi its ok to flash the bios without a processor present but not so sure about anything below that series , all the brand names have a new bios to update so you can use the new kabylake processors

Have checked through PCParts Picker but wanted some live input from real people on what would make a good cpu/mobo bundle.

Thinking of getting this cpu with this >>>CLICKY<<< motherboard from Amazon and 8gb of ram.
Comes in at £188, and I'll keep my Asus HD7790 gpu.
Will this give a reasonable experience for IRacing?

Check PC part picker it lets you filter things by Sata ports etc

if you want hdmi 2.0 compatibility then only the z270 MSI mobos are compatible.

if ot then just get the cheapest board with the specs you want.

asus is the brand i would go for.

asrock tend to have weird issues with cartain things

get the asrock 110 hds and then get the new kaby lake bios from their website. simple

Hi Wotan 6 x SATA (not using M2) and 12+ mix of USB3 and 2.

I also need onboard support for 2 monitors. Forgot to mention that size matters (LOL) and so ATX.

TQ

How many is 'plenty'?

Agreed, I used one for a gaming/htpc build with a low budget 1050 Ti 4GB its gaming performance was great! Go for a higher GPU and I think you could easily sit around 55 to 60 frames in the vast majority of modern games at mostly high settings.

Don't be a dcik. Just go into a decent larger computer shop and see if they can do it for you.

Of course he hasn't. He's trolling. 'Raj' won't look into anyone else's deals.

This is a deals thread, keep on topic and remember the code of conduct. No name calling.

It's consumers like yourself that destroy the RMA process and returns. This behavior drives the price of these goods up.

if you want working second hand memory i suggest go to your local cex because they always have cheap hdd and memory sticks for under 10 quid...i got myself 4 ddr4 4gb samsung and micron stick all for 32 quid

I got in touch with live chat to see if they had any more. Raj said no it must have been a mistake at that price and he was escalating it to someone else to investigate before it was dispatched

So you have stopped him from getting a bargain.

Nice find OP - heated.

To anyone reading this
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Anyone care to suggest sensible mobos to go with this please?

I need plenty of SATA and USB ports and I don't ever play games so you could say it's going to be a better than basic office rig.

MTIA

This is why many private sellers no longer sell on ebay.

If your board doesn't support the latest cpu then buy a second hand one from ebay, flash your board then return to seller for a refund.

​pretty clear your a troll now with that ridiculous statement an even worse troll than the one your defending.

pc > consoles simply because they can do pretty much anything. full customisation

I got in touch with live chat to see if they had any more. Raj said no it must have been a mistake at that price and he was escalating it to someone else to investigate before it was dispatched.

+1.
I was going to mention that for media duties without a dGPU (and for light gaming with the iGPU) , it may be worth paying a bit more for the Kaby Lake Pentiums with HD630 rather than the HD610 ones like this.
According the Wikipedia list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_microprocessors#Kaby_Lake_based_Pentiums
The G4600, G4620, and G4600T have HD630 with the G4600T having the lowest list price ($75 vs $64 for this G4560). The G4600T does lose a fair bit of speed though being only 3GHz vs 3.6GHz for the G4600 non-T.
Worth remembering the TDP is not quite the same as the actual wattage consumed with Computerbase finding the whole platform at the mains using a max of 57W during the Prime95+AVX tests. Since idle was 34W, that's a delta of only 23W. Point being, that it is often possible to undervolt normal CPUs and that 'T' models are not necessarily that well binned (although haven't see or looked for any T reviews).

Very silly argument. I'm now tempted to say this: a PC and a PS4 are both Turing complete machines and hence equivalent. :P

And given enough time it is possible to write an emulator that runs PS4 code on the PC natively and even with good framerates. PC and PS4 main CPU should even be binary compatible as both implement the x86-64 ISA. In fact, Sony may HAVE a (slow?) PC-based PS4 emulator so they can develop/debug their OS on a PC. Or would you want to write OS-level software on a PS4?

according to that logic all you have to do to play console exclusives on pc is stick the console components inside a pc case...

I pretty much hate you lol

Uhhh guys... think I just hit the jackpot with a pricing error on Amazon.. absolutely insane if they actually send it! warehouse deal last one left... hopefully they don't cancel it

HEVC encoding performance on handbrake is poor because only the i3 or above have AVX/AVX2 extensions which makes the difference for that particular software.

However decoding (playback) is different. Kaby Lake processors have full 10 bit HEVC hardware acceleration so you shouldn't have problems. If you happen to pair it also with a modern GPU (e.g GTX950 or newer) then said modern GPU will also have powerful HEVC hardware acceleration too.

Good processor and reasonable price too but I'm gonna hang on to my 3770k ivybridge as it's good for everything

you can use diesel in a petrol car all you have to do replace the engine but to play ps4 exclusives on pc its never going to happen and if you own all 3 then good for you but his point was clearly about gaming nobody here was talking about buying a processor to run pfsense now were they?

Good point, I agree, I should have included the Hardware Unboxed review. They had a fairly detailed review that included minimum frame rates, with the G4560 paired with graphics cards at different budget points, which I thought was one of the better reviews out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUapuF0y30s&t=4s

​his point was pointless.

why say you cannot run ps4 exclusives on pc? its like saying can you use diesel in a petrol car.

obviously not as its exclusive to diesel engines.

i too own a ps4 and a pc and a xbox one too.

stop defending his ridiculous statements

does this have comparable igpu to a 6100?

The Eurogmer review says HEVC is crippled on this processor, so is this a no-go for a kodi HTPC build?

I'm guessing my gtx 950 is being bottlenecked by my g3258?

Good price I've got my one for £59 week ago from Germany. also I've brought Crucial Balistix RAM 2x4GB 2400MHz cost me only £46 on amazon

try it without a ps4

My PC can. I've installed Remote Play. :sunglasses:

please nobody would wanna use pfsense on a ps4 anyways they have a thing called a pc for that what he was saying is you cant play some of the best games ever made on a pc even tho im a pc gamer i still have a ps4 just like 95% of the whole world who do gaming on pc but yet still have a console at the side for games like the NEW god of war which you cant get on pc either so i guess for exclusive titles console wins hands down for graphic wise pc will be in the lead ....there is a difference you know

can you point me in the direction of the cheap DDR3 you bought please!, Im looking for some myself.

If you want to use the on chip graphics and have a low power system, the new T series pentium looks good.

The g4600t has intel hd630 graphics with 24 execution units and is also only 35w.
£75 from scan so worth the extra imho if you want to use the integrated gpu

The cpu in this post has the hd 610 with 12 Eu and is 54w

​it was jailbroken years ago iirc. pfsense will never work as it only has 1 ethernet port

i dunno buddy but ps4 is on the verge of getting jailbroken soon so maybe just maybe it might run pfsense in the future...just gotta wait and see

​can your ps4 run pfsense?

no? well now you understand how pointless your point was

Can your console killer run Uncharted 4, Drive Club, The Last Guardian etc? Nope didn't think so.

Unbelievable value for money. Hands down best bang for buck CPU at the minute, if not ever...! It will be interesting to see if there are any Ryzen CPUs at this price range to battle with Intel. Seems very aggressively priced.

The g3258 has always been trash... for the price of the chip and a cooler good enough to cool it after overclocking you could just grab an i3 4150 which is what I did back then

You have to accept the world does not revolve around the small minority of gamers. Most people just use PCs to run spreadsheets, browse the web, watch netflix etc. I've got Pentium AE IGP linked to 3 monitors, 8GB Ram and SSD.

Just giving people a reference point. People still get dual core Pentiums and everything is fine until their kids wants to play some expensive game.

Its the fact it has hyperthreading. GTA V was completely unplayable for me with my g3258 and my 750ti even when I set graphics setting to year 2002 standard. Only an upgrade to a t series i5 solved it.

Thanks for this - looking at a budget gaming rig so noise and space no concern :smiley:

On the mobo hunt now! :smiley:

480 much better, but depends on your power supply, whether you're bothered about heat and noise output and space.

1050ti is aimed at those like me with a HTPC so can't have a noisy 150w card blasting out heat, or I have a quiet low powered PSU. If you're rocking a 500w psu or above and space is no concern then get the 480, £169 is a bargain.

Good deal. Pity not much faster than overclocked Pentium AE. Best for a budget build then an upgrade 4 years down the track with a cheap second hand CPU from Ebay. Got to love the pace of technology.

well obviously a rx 480 and the new motherboard that are already kabylake compatible are not cheap since they are BRAND NEW such as this one that will be out a few days later and compatible out the box - https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-PRIME-B250M-K-Motherboard-Socket/dp/B01MZ3YFJH/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=FV4FBD5242REA9VN1NBV

1050ti or the XFX 480 for £170...?

Also any recommendations on a cheap mobo for this that doesnt need flashing first?

Buy an i5 and do a bait and switch with a 99p processor on eBay :smirk:

scan is pre order

For those who don't like youtube and prefer to read articles, Digital Foundry = Eurogamer.net:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review
Other articles include:
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/intel-pentium-g4560-test-kaby-lake/3/
However, both of those suffer from one major problem: no min frames. Average FPS is all very well, but any bottleneck of this is way more likely to show up in min frame times. Couldn't find any reviews which included min frames or better yet frame time graphs.

Hm, while does indeed appear to be far cheaper than any other UK retailer, Skinflint does list a fair few under £60 in Germany and Austria:
http://skinflint.co.uk/intel-pentium-g4560-bx80677g4560-a1558362.html?t=alle&plz=&va=b&vl=uk&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&v=e&togglecountry=set#filterform
Of course, not worth it once postage is factored in, but Amazon do have it for £61.13
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01NCE8T92
EDIT: and for anyone with free postage from Scan (regular Hexus or AVForums posters), they have it (on pre-order) for £57:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-pentium-g4560-s-1151-kaby-lake-dual-core-4-thread-35ghz-3mb-cache-1050mhz-gpu-54w-cpu-box

I have heard some good things said about the Metis, but a small size isn't one of them.

It's a big case designed for a big double slot graphics card. It's three or four times the size of a typical non-gaming Mini-ITX or STX case like a Jou-Jye 528:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/jou-jye-usff-case-mini-itx-with-250w-80plus-bronze-flexatx-psu-usb-30-black-silver

​h110m board any manufacturer like msi gigabyte asus around 50£

anyone able to recommend me a board to go with this please, ddr3 if possible. thanks

so you saying i can play ultra AAA games with the g4560?

Absolutely agree. Check out hardwareunboxed video on processor. Its surprising how even with a GTX 1060 the cpu rarely becomes a bottleneck.

its the same results all year round - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJuadijvTSU

The most interesting thing from that video people should take note of is how much better Nvidia cards are with less CPU (like this chip) performance than Radeons, obviously in DX11. In Infinite warfare GTX1060 annihilates the RX 480 when there is any sort of significant load.

Lol ok big man

Was waiting for a price dip on amazon but this is a very good price so ordered. Gonna hunt for a 1050ti next

It's a champ not least because of the upgrade path.

Buying a new AMD system is pretty much entirely pointless at this stage as intel own the whole market since this released, and edged out the FX6300. Ryzen seems only high end to start as well, it could be 6 months before there is any real response at the budget level from AMD.

and you're so right you need your own channel on youtube

This is a great budget processor. Look at it compared to its big brothers in this video.

https://youtu.be/FUapuF0y30s

If I was building a powerful budget console killer I'd pair this with the RX 480 £197 deal that I saw earlier. But unfortunately I don't need one so I can't justify it - damn expensive hobbies!

Fair enough... I have a 1050ti in my house and it's pretty capable at 1080p

Prefer nvidia really, had shadow play and lower wattage use.

this is real good for everyday use BUT NOT for gaming...unless you just really want to play at low/mid level range

bt shop are not good for pc bits, they offer things at a great price then tell you they can't supply them.

A great price, most vendors have it between £65 and £70. I have my doubts that BT will deliver but worth a punt, perhaps. In certain situations with certain ram pairings the G4560 can, in a lot of games, match an i3 6100, which is extraordinary considering the price differential. For some productivity programs, an i3 performs better. For some reason, as compared with i3 and i5 offerings, the dual core/hyperthreaded G4560 pairs better with budget Nvidia offerings in intense action sequences than budget AMD (in many of the DX11 titles where Nvidia has an edge over AMD, it seems to be particularly so with the G4560, where in DX12 and Vulcan supported games, the AMD graphics card is often a stronger performer, even with the G4560).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-aP0JqJkJ0

To put things in perspective, the new hyper threaded Pentium part falls well short of the current generation unlocked K-series Intel CPUs (in games where the CPU is the bottleneck; in games where paired with a cheap GTX 1050 TI, the differences between the hyper threaded G4560 and the i5 and i7 are small in the reviews that I have seen; Richard of Digitalfoundry often tests CPUs with a Titan graphics card to remove the GPU as a bottleneck, and there the differences in CPU performance is often significant).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtpSiYFFjbI

But it does give you an easy upgrade path at a later date.

Here is a test on Hardware Unboxed that shows minimum frame rates across a variety of graphics cards at different price points paired with the G4560, across a number of recent gaming titles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUapuF0y30s&t=4s

Anyway, I don't know how long it will remain at that price, assuming BT honour it, but meantime, a cracking buy for a budget build with one of the new motherboards that supports Kaby Lake (most older 1151 motherboards will require a bios update to support Kaby Lake), have some more heat!

Some older boards can be flashed via USB without a cpu needed so worth checking before you buy

Hot from me. Paid £65 last week for one.

Many thanks. That isn't just a beautiful case it is also cheap as well...!

Not too sure about the on bird graphics though :smile:

If you're just going to be using the on bird graphics I would really recommend the raijintek metis case... I think it's beautiful and it's tiny

Thanks

I had seen the Thermaltake Core V1 Mini ITX Cube Case with Fan for less than £38 and it looks to be a pretty good case, if you like the cube style over the upright tower.
The ITX boards do seem to cost a little more over the MATX but equally I do not need the expansion offered by the larger board.
If I do decide to go for a HTPC using this CPU then the onboard GPU should be fine.

If in any doubt http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review

Thinking about updating our ageing Phenom X4 970 box for a while, now. Was hoping the lower end would have a bit more oomph after seven years.

Great buy for a budget gaming pc, though.

I have been eying this Pentium up for a while and although it might be overkill just for a pfsense box, as it supports AES hardware encryption for a VPN client, at the price it is (at least £10 cheaper than elsewhere) it is a cracking buy..!

Then again I might build a HTPC with it.

Well found OP and ordered, 13 left at the time I had bought mine.

My Asus Sabertooth S Z170 board, with my 6700k, supports that Asus flashback and it would be great if that would be a std feature on all boards. I do not fancy having to strip out my 6700k just to enable a M-ATX or ITX board to boot to be able to flash it to support this CPU. I might end up being lazy and just buy a H270 board, but there goes my savings on this CPU if I do....!

Can't decide on whether to go M-ATX or ITX, not built and ITX before.

Any cheap (but reliable like Crucial) DDR4 (8GB) going...?

Got a budget of about £250 for mini atx motherboard, some ram and a cpu and was looking at these lower priced chips from Intel but with AMD about to release Ryzen I'm not sure I should hold off and see what they bring to the table.
Still running a quad core 9550 from 2009 so any current chip is going to be a marked improvement but I wish AMD would pull their finger out so I knew which way to jump.

She got PC bits and bobs everywhere :smiley:

Great deal, got one a week ago for a htpc setup with a 1050 and so far its been great

I feel a touch guilty I have to admit as I bought a cheap G3900 to flash the bios on the H110itx and then sent it back

How does this compare to an old i5 2500k?

Great price, nearly as good as an i3 6300 and half the price, perfect for a decent PC for most daily tasks.

Probably because most people can't be arsed to go through the process of building a pc from scratch nowadays

Great value CPU. It's very nearly a i3 for a lot less money. First Pentium in a long time to get Hyper Threading, which can make a big difference in some situations. I've got one in an B150 ITX build. As mentioned by the OP, you'll need a BIOS update to use this on a Skylake motherboard.

I'm still using a Q9300. This processor is cheap enough, but would cost too much for board and memory to justify...rarely use my desktops now. Tend to use laptop for windows and Rpi for everything else.

Have dual DVB S2 tuner in desktop...but not really used due to lack of integrated software (no windows media centre) in Windows 10.

Why it's cold? Good price for quite capable cpu.