Some of the comments in here...so many people just wanting to stick the knife in Nintendo already. None of you have even held the thing! Yes it is expensive, but Nintendo know this initial allotment will sell through and you will see some bundles at Christmas.

Also, the NVIDIA shield which this is loosely based on is £200. Factor in the tech involved in the Joy Cons and the dock and £279 is reasonable.

Also, a lot people have short memories. The whole purpose of this machine is to concentrate Nintendo's efforts on one platform. The 3DS sold incredibly well and we are seeing lots of RPGs from Japanese developers being announced for this.

Also to the person who recommended that person buy his family a PS4 or Xbox when they spent lots of time and enjoyed their Wii U? You just don't get it, not even worth trying to explain.

50 quid for Zelda! 60 quid at Amazon!!
Nintendo really don't want to succeed do they.

​it is expensive for its specs and launch titles

Do you know when payment is taken?

Should I buy a switch? As a family we love the Wii U but is this an expensive step too far?

Argos take on order

Normally Nintendo Consoles are a bit pricey at launch anyway, and they rapidly deteriorate in price, you could always wait.

50 quid for Zelda! 60 quid at Amazon!!
Nintendo really don't want to succeed do they.

They are taking preorders for the limited edition breath of the wild! I thought that was sold out worldwide - Wow cheers op good find

Hopefully this side of Christmas.

Sorry, that's just not true.

The PS4 on launch had games which were all roughly £45. That's a good £15 cheaper than this abomination.

If you're going ot make use of playing at home and then undocking and play on the move then its pretty unique and considering what people spend on phones and tablets not a bad buy (but accessories and games prices are a rip off at the mo).
As a home console your're paying for bits you dont need so hang on.

This is not true actually. Someone calculated a full list of console releases adjusted for inflation and guess what, the switch lies in third place or so.

£35 for 1-2 switch is good!!

No family cares about the specs, and if they still love Wii U after 4 years then clearly launch titles are not the most important thing.

I think the other three posters have an agreeable point that a family would benefit from waiting (especially since it's pricey to go beyond two-player at this point) but ultimately if an extra £100 is not a big deal for you to enjoy the same thing in 2017 instead of 2018 or '19 then go for it and have fun.
I'm not going to say the switch won't have a V2, but nintendo does not have a history of upgrading their home console specs inevitably like PS/Xbox, and even when they upgrade their handhelds you don't miss out on much by keeping the original.

If in doubt then wait until holiday season when Mario (should) be freshly released and there will undoubtedly be discounts due to black friday/Christmas deals (/new year deals). Plus I'm sure it would make a great present for the kids.

Just a heads up guys
£59.99 is a PLACEHOLDER price
Both xbox one and ps4 titles were £59.99 placements before launch and dropped to standard retail price £40-45 (some places £37)
So expect within the month for them to drop to the £40 mark

He or she was hardly likely to post a fair and non-biased response about Nintendo when having Mario as their avatar! :smile:

Sorry, but it very much is true. Every major new console has games with an RRP around £50-60. That doesn't mean the games end up costing that amount as retailers cut the prices by a few quid, usually down to £45-50.

To high price for low graphics games

HEAT,added and ordered but dreading the delivery in a plastic bag.

I was really rooting for the switch but after learning of the poor battery life, 32gb internal memeory, lack of pack in software, price of games, price of accessories and lack of launch killer apps I find myself starting to resent Nintendo's contempt Nd laziness. They are taking a huge gamble clmbjning both their handheld and console markets and are offering very poor value for money in my opinion

This will bomb in Europe and the states. Its too expensive for a kids handheld and way too expensive compared to a ps4 or xbox One. Nintendo can't compete with Sony and Microsoft so have released this. They will end up ruining their handle business just like they ruined their home console business.

Regardless of whether the rrp of switch games is 20 quid, 40 quid or 60 quid it makes no odds for at least the first 6 months as there isn't anything to buy on it let alone play apart from Zelda. So keep your money in your pocket until at least Christmas if you don't want an expensive dust collector.

Back in 97 the N64 released for £250 so 20 years later it's not that bad a price. Then again gamers are more savvy and less brand/fan boys and Nintendo doesn't have the same pulling power it did after the successful SNES. I would guess a price drop or some good bundles after a month or so.

I'll wait.
I'll never forget buying the N64 at launch with Super Mario 64 for £249
3 months later it was £99......:confused: !!!

Certainly hasn't been the case with the Wii u ,hasn't had many price drops really. Been consistently expensive . Still a good console

Demand will outstrip supply come Mario Odyssey release near Christmas. Nintendo will keep production steady. These aren't coming down in price much if at all this year. Expect to see CEX selling for silly prices come December.

best waiting for Xmas this year.

Ridiculous pricing so far and all round face palming behavior from Ninty.

The Wii U version of the Zelda game is $60 on Amazon.com and €60 on the .de, .fr sites, but Amazon.co.uk have it for £40 (-£2 for prime customers). Blame it on Brexit?

I kinda expected the nintendo fanboys to pop up in this thread and stick up for there console, I was not wrong

I'm betting on the Switch being £250 at Christma, reckon they'll do some decent bundles though. The games will definitely come down to £40 by then.

Just wait on Zelda it'll drop in price for sure.

nintendo have got balls. charging above rrp for a remaster, bold move.

​I have never paid over £40 for a PS4 game even at launch.

As I said before, I have to wonder if the higher RRP in the UK is partly due to the way the Nintendo Classic Edition was handled. Low stock and people swooping in to change the RRP by almost double.

IF they had made it £249 (which I suspect was an option) it would have the same result if they were unable to deliver the stock. I still don't get why certain pieces of hardware are so high (like controllers for £79) but this will likely drop in the next few months, games being priced this high has always happened with newer console releases and will continue to be like this - as others mentioned the N64 games used to cost this but eventually they dropped to <£40 range.

Not quite accurate - they dropped the price by £99 not to £99!!! Still not great but you did get a free game out of it - Mario Kart I believe.

This was true of PSVR titles prior to October too.

I grew up on Super Nintendo and N64 before moving to Dreamcast and Xbox. I really loved Nintendo, and the SNES is still my fave console, but, you cannot ignore facts. the console is overpriced and underpowered in relation to competition available at lower prices with an expansive library and a proven track record. Nintendo scored big with the original Wii and have tried gimmicks ever since to create a USP for their consoles, but I think the Wii was the only truly innovative thing they have done in recent years. The Switch is not worth the extortionate price and the accessory prices are insane, whether your a Nintendo fanboy or not, add up the cost of the accessories and understand that the cost is ridiculous. the accessories alone cost more than an old xbone! Every console Launches at ridiculous prices with inflated launch title prices. As the consumer we need to stop placing pre-orders!!!!! If there isn't a demand they will be forced to add incentives such as game bundles or lower prices. #rantover

Well, to be honest, Nintendo could have released the most powerful, amazing piece of hardware of all time and given it away for free and you would have had naysayers delivering doom and gloom.

Most of the Ninty fanboys hold their hands up and admit it's a little over priced and the launch games a little underwhelming. I'd imagine they just get fed up with folk banging on about horse power (vs PS4/XB1). Like it or not, Switch does deliver some gaming experiences that PS4/XB1 simply can't match. But why does it need to be all black and white all the time?

Those considering it but unsure - don't bank on a price drop in 2017. Pre-order stock is pretty much sold out which is a strong indicator that this will start life fine. There will be huge demand spikes at points during the year (particularly once Mario Odyssey arrives ahead of Xmas). And I suspect E3 in Summer will deliver a whole lot of specific game details/support/surprises that will keep Switch in the limelight throughout the year. It's really far too early to determine whether 3rd party support will remain strong but don't base anything on that Nintendo presentation earlier in week - these sort of things are consistently vague. Both Sony and Microsoft have been guilty of the same in the past.

It's a glorified wii u. Doesn't run past 720p, and the controllers are mega tiny. For any actually gaming on this you'll need the Pro controller which is a £70 plastic shell kinda like what the wii tried with steering wheels that the two joycons slide into.

49.99 for Zelda would buy me 4 very good STEAM games. Figures.

I don't "get" the Switch...

I've a PS4 Pro, PS VR, PS Vita, Wii U and a Gaming PC...
I love the Wii U games, but it's definitely been a flawed system. The Switch? It's too expensive (even when adjusting for the inevitable drop) and I think the portable factor won't catch on... it's too big. The Vita does that job for me, and that's struggled commercially (even if I love it).

I'd be buying entirely for the Nintendo games library, DESPITE the gimmicks not for them.
It's too expensive just to be able to play Zelda, Mario Kart .etc when I have a Wii U.

I can't see this ending well for Nintendo.

waiting till the end of the year £280 with a game me hopes, £280 without 1 seems too steep, will have more games to chose from too

What 'gaming experiences' are you talking about, literally just Zelda and dual screen gaming? I can dual screen on windows 10 using my Xbox and Zelda isn't an experience worth paying £299 for. Most of the games, already on other systems, and even then the first party titles are so tired because they've beaten a dead horse too many times

Hating on Nintendo is trendy. People have short memories about what they've bought to the table over the years. They are still worth approx $800mil more than Sony's entire company, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They absolutely have made some missteps and will certainly make more, that's just the way it goes but overall they are a net gain to the gaming industry, more so than any other company historically.
Really is a shame Nintendo don't know how to run their multi-billion dollar company as well as all the experts who have popped up online after the Switch launch.

Nintendo do not know what home console gamers want. They only tell Nintendo fans what they are going to have, and they are the only ones ok with that, so sales reflect this. Fine, if you can run a business like that.

£49.95 for the new Zelda at the Game Collection so it seems to just be the norm price for pre order at the minute. Does anyone know if Super Mario Odyssey will work on the Wii U as well as the Switch? I'm really hoping it's both because this game looks amazing!

No, they know what the home console owners in their own country want. Outside of JP, Nintendo relies on mediocre PR and marketing teams, as well as horrendously biased and conservative localisation teams who have a weird understanding of what constitutes family friendly. If you look at any of the odd goings on that have gone public from their western wings, it's easy to see that their management style is rather odd with a strange power hierarchy

I highly doubt that Super Mario Odyssey will be coming to Wii U. Seems like the new Zelda is going to be the Wii U's last big game.

​Tbh, the overpricing of Zelda and other launch titles only goes to show how great a deal the classic NES is! £50 for 30 classics... shut up and take my money.

All the naysayers are saying the exact same thing that was said about the Wii prior to release. Can't see this being that successful but the Wii was actually terrible in the context of Nintendo's consoles so I'd rather see unsuccessful consoles from them with better games. I can afford to buy a console just to play half a dozen or so games, I just sell when I'm done anyway. So long as Nintendo can afford to not have sales in the realms of Sony and MS then all is good for me.

Never knew this! Think I got it for £150 with Super Mario Kart! I found a glitch in the game on the beach level where you would fall straight through the map! :smile:

Super Mario 64 wasn't included at launch with the N64. You had to pay extra for Mario 64 and then three months later you got the game for free if you showed your retailer your original receipt because they had dropped the price to £150. I remember this because my friend was annoyed because he already had the game and had lost his receipt, also to drop £100 after paying £250 for it and another £50 odd for Mario64.

At the time Mario64 was out of this world graphics wise and nothing could touch it on any format. Toruk and Mario64 were the main games I remember at launch because they were pretty amazing to look at but damn expensive.

Selling ok in Japan is still not knowing what console gamers really want. Mainly because they aren't even the market leaders in their home country, and are nowhere elsewhere in a world wide market. Their share price crashed immediately after the Switch's official reveal.

Switch will hopefully be Nintendo's final home console. It'll be a wonderful day in the history of gaming when they stop making console hardware nobody outside of Japan cares about and go about making their excellent games for other home platforms.

Well, for a start, I'd love to see that portable PS4/XB1 you've been playing on your commute to work!

Fact check: 1080p on TV (target 1080p60)
You're also not understanding the difference between the Joy-Con Grip and the Switch Pro Controller.

Erm, the Vita??

Actually, 720p max when used in handheld mode, 1080p when docked.

The bundle comes with the grip to plug joy cons into which gives it a regular home console controller feel. Pretty similar to Nintendo's wavebird from a few years back actually. The Joy-Cons don't slide into the Pro controller - the Pro is a standard controller in its own right.

Just like when Sega crashed and we got all those amazing Sonic games on other platforms?

So you could play, say, Uncharted 4 seemlessly on Vita on a flight then head home and pick up where you left off on PS4 within seconds? That featured certainly passed me by with my Vita/PS4...

I consider the Switch very much like I do the PSVR - a luxury item for gamers with enough disposable income to afford it to get alongside either a PS4 / Xbox One, but not a rival to those platform holders. If gaming is something you truly love and you're in a good place financially (and not blinded by some ridiculous sense of what they call 'fanboy-ism'), I reckon it will be more than worth it just like the Wii U was for me.

EDIT: That being said, if they don't add some kind of trophy / achievement system this time I'm not getting one until it's cheaper =)

Nintendo have always been greedy.

It's up to 1080P, not all games will achieve this and I suspect if it receives third party support they will probably port the 900P Xbox One version across at best as it would be easier to achieve on the hardware and require less work than trying to hit 1080P. Worst case they might just have the 720P tablet mode upscale. Even some first party titles like Zelda are only 900P. I know Nintendo has never been about cutting edge tech but in 2017 1080P at least on a TV screen should be considered the absolute minimum for a new console....

Adjusted for inflation the launch price is actually pretty reasonable, and Nintendo can't help the exchange rate:

Source

It isn't for me, very little time to game now and when I do it's working through my massive list of unplayed Steam games, but, I hope it does well.

OH... we're specifically on a flight now? Something that requires a "flight mode"
Yeah, the Vita would require wifi for that.
Maybe the Switch has found it's home. Flights.

In fairness, I'm only partially mocking. It would be great on a flight. Bus/car/lunch at work .etc - not for me.

People saying it's expensive, and I agree. But the people who also say the price will go down are clueless. I've bought EVERY console released since 1990, and 3 things are guaranteed in life, death, taxes, and Nintendo products holding their value.

They will not go down for a long time. If you want evidence of this just look at the Wii U. It was on here as a hot deal a month ago for £160! And I guarantee you in 5 years it will be worth over £200

£50 for a game? Crazy.
I'll be holding out for a couple of years for the console and games to drop in price.

Great until the kids leave the controller on the bus......Game Over.

Flight, train, any commute - the Vita is just not a valid comparison in my opinion. It barely works on remote play when sitting feet away! A shame really as the Vita was a great bit of kit but one that genuinely was DOA. Still not sure why Sony even bothered releasing it!!!

I can see Switch doing well. Won't take much to outsell WiiU (obviously!) but I think it will capture the imagination of younger/older gamers well enough. Nintendo know they can't compete for the Call of Duty crowds attention but they may well mop up around that demographic. I got my son a PS4 for his xmas. He's 7 and wanted to get a new game with xmas money - now I'm not going to be an OTT parent when it comes to certificates but there genuinely was almost nothing out that was age acceptable or any good.

official launch price for game is £60!!!! unless you are fine with that then dont buy the switch, atleast not until Nintendo officially
drop there launch price for game


Official RRP is actually £60


Zelda run 900P 30fps docked. Unless its 2D or a very basic 3D game. no switch game is going to run at 1080p60. something even the more powerful X1 is unable to do

Your right, i wasn't trying to miss any console out it was just a few examples but I'm totally face palming over the comments of people saying "omg £60 for a game RIP Nintendo"
Its this time between announcement and release that retailers will bargain for stock allocation and THEN they can offer better bundles and prices to the customers.
If its a free pre order go for it, Game WILL charge the most for the games they always do but other competition i expect to see zelda @ £38 from 1 retailer or maybe £35 bundled with the console.

Some of the comments in here...so many people just wanting to stick the knife in Nintendo already. None of you have even held the thing! Yes it is expensive, but Nintendo know this initial allotment will sell through and you will see some bundles at Christmas.

Also, the NVIDIA shield which this is loosely based on is £200. Factor in the tech involved in the Joy Cons and the dock and £279 is reasonable.

Also, a lot people have short memories. The whole purpose of this machine is to concentrate Nintendo's efforts on one platform. The 3DS sold incredibly well and we are seeing lots of RPGs from Japanese developers being announced for this.

Also to the person who recommended that person buy his family a PS4 or Xbox when they spent lots of time and enjoyed their Wii U? You just don't get it, not even worth trying to explain.

Only time will tell if the Switch will be a success or not, but for me the unit price and frankly ridiculous accessory/controller prices completely rules this out for me. I was quite hyped for the switch to get as a second console, but Nintendo have failed attract people in the market like me.

The only thing left that I like about Nintendo now is Zelda, Mario, Wave Race and F Zero-X, and two of those franchises are pretty much dead now.

I made that recommendation and stand by it, the poster I replied to said it was for a family and the PS4 and Xbox One are both now mature enough to have a decent selection of family friendly titles and many of the smaller indie titles fulfill this well too (while costing way less than £60). Plus they have excellent media integration too for streaming and the like because a family might want to do more than play games on occasion, judging by past Nintendo consoles I'd be surprised if the Switch was that media friendly.

So what isn't to get? Just because they have had great experiences on the Wii U doesn't mean they couldn't have great (maybe even better) experiences on another console, why limit yourself to Nintendo only, the other systems have lots to offer too....

Yet again Nintendo demonstrating that their sales/marketing department needs firing! This should have been £200 max with 2 pro controllers and 2 games! I was strongly considering purchasing before they announced the price and specs but now no way! This console could be the beginning of the end for Nintendo, this is a "bet the company" kind of product, much like iPhone was for Apple. It worked for Apple, not convinced for Nintendo!

​Sorry, you're right - but in my defence it was 20 years ago!

I don't mean to single you out but folks have got to stop saying this nonsense. Putting aside the fact that people have been saying things like that since the N64 (no CD drive?! Beginning of the end!) if you do a bit of digging you'll discover that Nintendo is amazingly well placed financially for years to come. Think Scrooge McDuck swimming in mountains of gold sort of financial security. Their past successes in hardware and IP is staggering. Then factor in that they never sell hardware at a loss and you'll build a picture on how safe they are. We'll never know the answer to this but I wouldn't be surprised if WiiU hardware only sales made more profity vs PS4/XB1 combined - Sony and Microsoft sell at a loss and heavily reliy on their online subscription/digital services which are worth billions.

Nintendo need to get with the times - you can see them trying it with the new online model (which no one has serious details on yet) and I like a lot of what Reggie is saying about that. But bottom line is that Nintendo, if they wanted to, will release consoles for generations to come.

And to those who say their sales/marketing is mince - just look at what they did with Pokemon Go. Fantastic timing of updates actually drove the new 3DS games into being crazy successful titles in the run up to Christmas. They'll do the same with Mario Run. I can see them releasing cut down iOS friendly titles as a means to drum up serious interest in their "proper" games.

Anyway, conscious I'm coming over as a rabid fan boy - apologies to all!!!

I am not complaining about price because the specs do not bother me that much but what bothers me is that Nintendo are SO GOOD at doing multiplayer games it is frustrating they are still continuing with these silly gimmick consoles.

I do also like how when Nintendo are getting criticism people put it down as it being trendy to hate Nintendo, it just shows how Nintendo can't do no wrong in some peoples eyes.

Patience will reward people who want this console. It's destined to fail and will be discounted heavily in future.

Just too exspensive for us and a lot of familys im affraid

I have a wii u. And i wouldnt be seen dead using a switch in public. Its not for me.

I might be wrong but I thought Nintendo had nothing to do with Pokemon Go and also their shares dropped rapidly with Mario Run due to the price (£8 I think)

Well, you wouldn't want to with the atrocious Joy-Cons anyway.

Pokemon Go was developed outside of NIntendo - they take a cut of in game purchases - but it's their IP at the end of the day and I'm sure they will be heavily involved with updates/proposals. The timing of the update was suspiciously convenient for the new 3DS titles!

To your other point on multiplayer - its because of multiplayer that I'm this excited for Switch! I see huge potential for fun on the go and at home with mates.

What do you like about the wii u ?

Best prices I've seen so far, hope Amazon matches, Heat added.

Fact check: Nintendo's FIRST-PARTY FLAGSHIP GAME Breath of The Wild runs at 900p 30fps docked. Doesn't bode well for future games.

I hardly think the lack of quality in modern Sonic games is because they went to making games for other platforms. There are no barriers to Nintendo for producing quality games on other systems.

I've never seen more delusional misinformed speculation... Do you seriously honestly believe the Wii U made even close to 10% the profit of PS4 sales alone? Let alone PS4/XB1 combined.

Wasn't it developed for the Wii U though? Could be hampering the Switch version?

It's simple maths to be honest. Nintendo sell their consoles at a profit. MS/Sony sell theirs at a loss. You work it out... For avoidance of doubt - I'm talking profit/loss from console sales only. I thought I made that clear?

As I said, MS and Sony rely heavily on other factors to drive profits - particularly their digital/online services.

You're misinformed. The PS3 was initially sold for a loss, but was being sold for a profit afterwards. PS4 has never been sold at a loss. It's the same with the 360 and Xbox One as well.

Nintendo always cagey about costs but PS4 was released at a point where component costs alone where nearly as expensive as they sold the unit for, not even taking into account any other associated costs with releasing a console. Unsure what the current state of profit is for them as the Slim version was priced so aggressively that any production cost savings would have been offset by a low retail price. I'd say they've made little to no profit on Console sales alone but everyone knows that's not where the money is made.

Bomberman R and Skylanders are also 30fps

Those aren't first party. Guess we'll have to see what the first first party game developed solely for the switch runs at to answer this.

The switch will drop in price after a 3 months which is the norm. It's not going up against the PS4 and Xbox one and the vita is pretty much dead. It's a niche market to be fair but Nintendo has always done well with handhelds so I don't see this changing.

Also the price is expensive for a Nintendo product but cheap for an Apple one ?

Started trying to read this but got fed up. Lots of well argued points but the reality is . I really dont give a **** .

That's true, but what happened with developing for the Switch being super easy? If 3rd party devs can't get simple games like Bomberman running at 60fps at launch then it's a bit worrying

I don't really want to enter an OTT debate on this to be honest. Neither of us are fully informed on the matter. The point I was making remains valid though in that Nintendo pricing history has helped to secure the company for years and years to come.

Some past versions of skylanders ran at 30fps on ps4 while 60fps on Wii u. Don't see anything unusual myself with launch title performance. Could be better but par for the course.

Nintendo dont care about the market outside of japan they make well enough from japanese sales alone.

Still its a joke with the specs and these prices. Name me 10 new 3ds games? I have 1 they dont even release anything lul what was the point in the new 3ds?

I haven't bought a home console since the PS2 - whats the general return policy on game purchases? I read somewhere that you're not able to return them.

I preordered the Nintendo Switch via Amazon and want to take advantage of Argos lower priced games but if other places start to lower their game prices closer to launch I want to be able to return back to Argos.

PS4 was sold at loss, certainly on release. If the production costs were just under the retail price then that's a loss.

Nintendo games in hd.

Its not about inflation. Back in the days of first gen consoles the technology introduced was cutting edge. People were truly amazed and the release prices reflected the this.
There is absolutely nothing cutting edge or close to amazing about a pretty low spec tablet that plays games.
When the first DVD players arrived they were basic and cost a small fortune, now they cost about 20 quid. Using your inflation logic they would be about 500 quid now.

Low spec tablet? Isn't it nvidia's latest and greatest tech?

Don't be that guy

There aren't enough faces and palms in the world to respond to that.

console is included in price

Nintendo needs to stop making consoles. They are embarressing themselves with underpowered hardware even though they have billions in the bank. They are cheapskates to the max.

1-2 Switch for £34.99 is a blatant ripoff. That "game", more of a tech-demo should be bundled with every Switch console.

Nintendo are in a difficult position the world's doesn't need another x86 based console that is well off the pace of the latest pc hardware why anyone would buy into that when there is ps4 and xbone. Switch looks like a good proposition but handhelds don't sell much more in the West ( look at ps vita) and specifications seem to be so important. I would have preferred a 199.99 price point and i think nintendo is missing a trick at the higher price.

​They never deteriorate in price

​will be keeping wiiu for sure - i really like the great games which Nintendo made that use both tv and game pad...some really nicely thought out and executed pieces.

You won't be playing on a long flight, battery on the best games is 2 1/2 hours! :confused: Don't worry though I'm sure a very inexpensive battery pack accessory will be out before long! :wink:

Please never start your own business

Wow. How is this getting heat?
MK8/Zelda are still over priced. And the other games don't even seem that good. 1, 2 Switch feels like something that should have been bundled with the system.

​nor have I... mind you I've never bought a PS4 game. What's your point?

Sony treated the Vita like crap so it never reached its potential. Look at the 3DS, it's a worldwide success.

I'm sure it will be! I already have one actually for a miserable phone battery life so all sorted there.

For comparison though, Switch matches the 3DS battery life. I probably missed it but I don't recall such a stink being kicked up when that came out and that's a handheld only device!

​ffs why do people keep comparing the Switch to Xbox one etc it's NOT what the Switch is trying to achieve.

it is providing a home console which can be used anywhere in the house, and comes with a hi definition tablet....the price is more than reasonable for the kit you are getting.

it is going to have a huge software library once developers start moving from 3ds to switch. that is what is going to happen

I agree , pointless buying right now, bit only because not enough software. nothing to do with the price.

The Switch does have a weak launch lineup and looking at the best titles:

- Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- Super Bomberman

Then for the First Quarter:
- Fast RMX (It's FAST Racing NEO)
- Has-Been Heroes
- I Am Setsuna

Second Quarter:
- ARMS (it's a great fun game but shouldn't be full RRP)
- Disgaea 5: Complete
- Lego City Undercover
- Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
- Puyo Puyo Tetris
- Redout
- Rime
- Sonic Mania
- Splatoon 2
- The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth+

Third Quarter:
- Skyrim
Aaand... NBA 2K18 if you're into basketball.

Fourth Quarter:
Fire Emblem: Warriors
Project Sonic 2017
Super Mario Odyssey

Other games:
Dungeon of Zaar
Minecraft: Switch Edition
Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom
Oceanhorn: Monster of Uncharted Seas
Shovel Knight
Steep
Tank It!
FIFA 18
Untitled No More Heroes sequel
Untitled Nobunaga's Ambition game
Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Yooka-Laylee
Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2

​Agree 100%. I was going to get my son one for his 6th birthday just after launch date but I was shocked when I discovered the severe lack of games at launch and price of the console/games. Instead I've just got him an Xbox one s Minecraft bundle for £220 with a 2 year guarantee from John Lewis. Much better value plus we already have an Xbox one downstairs so he will have xbox live/online games already purchased. There will be better value Switch bundles out at Christmas which is when I'll get him it plus Mario cart/world and Pokémon Stars will be out by then.

total war series is a sega game

:neutral_face:

How is £279 Expensive its almost like people expected to get them Free in a box of Cereal lol

Quite simply because Nintendo have positioned it as a handheld AND home console, so people are bound to compare it to other home consoles available and on raw tech specs it will always lose. It would be very hard for Nintendo to outright win on this front with a tablet form factor but I think they could have at least matched the base Xbox One/PS4, that would have been pretty impressive considering the form factor but the fact it's not even quite at that level makes it less attractive to third party developers as porting multi-platform games will get ever more challenging as they are already starting to push Xbox One/PS4 hard, they would have to work even harder to get the same game on Switch.

Also people buy based on what they need/want it to do. The tablet functionality is cool but not everyone needs or wants that extra functionality, if you don't travel much and do the vast majority, if not all, your gaming at home as is my situation then I'm paying more and trading performance for a feature I would barely ever use.

Of course if you are likely to use the tablet functionality then fair enough.

I'll concede it's a cool idea and makes a lot of sense for Nintendo to combine both handheld and console strands, if it proves successful as they don't have to stretch their game development over different systems, meaning one will inevitably see less releases such as the Wii U this generation, I just think the execution of it could have been a LOT better....

That just shows how deeply scarred by the whole incident you were, it was pretty much pitch forks and flaming torches at the time. My mate was pretty steamed up about it, I think there was even a voucher for an additional pad or something to try to pacify the early adopters :smiley:

I think its the accessories which are a rip off. £80 for a docking station, £70 for a pro controller. For £10 more you could get a nacon elite Playstation controller.

£80 rrp for the joy con controller + £60 for Mario Kart. That's £140 for Mario Kart and enough controllers for 4 player. You telling me thats a good value? £140 I could get an older Xbox 1 console at asda a while back.

Personally no ,this will bomb more than the wii u

I think it is a very safe bet that Switch will outperform Wii U comfortably

32gb I just read that how ? U only get 2 games on that ? Maybe 4 with switches graphics

Get out of here with your logic :wink:

6 years old and he's going to have an Xbox One AND a switch?! Will you be my dad/mum?!?!

Every console they've brought out has dropped price to contend with the market :smiley: You can wiki the launch prices and see how fast they drop to. I can remember when the Wii U dropped to silly prices and then Mario Kart 8 launched and it pumped the price back up.
On the Retro scene the N64 is destroying the Wii over prices. So it's just a matter of how desirable the product is at the time. As it stands the android emulation platforms such as the JXDs etc have been taking a massive chunk out of Nintendos pockets over poor SNES/N64 emulation on their handheld platforms.

​Theyll be expecting people to use their own sd cards apparently you can put a 2tb sd card in

http://gameranx.com/updates/id/88537/article/upgrade-nintendo-switch-space-with-a-2tb-sd-card/

32gb internel memory less launch games higher price than more powerful consoles cheesed of wii u owners poor battery on screen £64 controllers £65 games lack of 3rd party games nooo need more than a goldeneye to save this part gen console

I think it will support 128GB SDCards
http://gameranx.com/updates/id/88537/article/upgrade-nintendo-switch-space-with-a-2tb-sd-card/

Other than the console asking price, none of the other RRPs will be real world prices though.

I can sort of see the 32gb point but then why the need for massive internal storage? A flash card will expand things nicely but the reason your PS4s and XB1s of the world have massive HDD is because load times are so rank they need to pump gigs upon gigs into drive space - that won't be a problem with Switch. I really don't know but I'd imagine the carts will be fairly high capacity and that the system will rely more heavily on the cart than a PS4/XB1 would rely on the disc.

I relly don't think there is a lack of 3rd party games though. There are 80 odd games in the pipeline for 2017. We don't have much details on them but that isn't unusual for any console release.

Only the jaguar had more power than n64 at time and that was as popular as a sh#t in a swimming baths it comes down to the games and competitive price this has neither

Guessing amazon will price match this at some point?

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It will support up to 2TB, when such cards become available. They'll not be cheap though - 128GB might remain the sweet-spot in terms of balancing price/GB and capacity.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2017/01/14/the-nintendo-switch-supports-up-to-256-gigabyte-micro-sd-cards.aspx

​It has a huge catalogue of N64 titles and the N64 is hot at the moment, check ebay prices.

​Yes, not sure what you mean though as the article I linked mentioned that. The sweet spot at the moment is 128GB until prices come down.

I was replying to your comment, which implied that 128GB might be the maximum capacity, rather than the link - but in any case, we agree! :smiley:

Thanks money off rrp is always a good thing.

I am a gamer and the way I do it is always buy all consoles for a generation at launch. I then pick The most powerful system as my primary and buy all the good multi platform titles on that. I then buy only exclusIves on the other consoles. This allows me to play all the best games each generation.

​do they? the Wii u is still £200

​Cool, hopefully hotswappable as well. Prefer to have several cheap 128GB cards over a big expensive one, that way I don't sob so much when the card tanks :wink:

​They dropped down to about £140 before MK8.

Indeed, though I see the attraction of the larger capacity cards as well, though, especially given how easy they'd be to lose if travelling with them. For now, though, I'm not going to be buying another card as I'll probably be buying my games mostly in physical form - and that might give some opportunity for the card prices to fall!

​I hate carts with a passion. I got a box of around 50 plus DS/I carts which is a nightmare to carry around. Prefer virtual with online box art work, manuals etc. Cartridge hoarding is bad news, I still finding psp games and I sold my psp 4-5 years ago. Hell I've still got a big boxed version of quake for the PC.
One of the reasons I like steam. Buy once and keep it for every upgrade.
If Sony put Uncharted boxset on steam I would buy it now. As it stands I've whittled down the 200 odd hoarded sony PS3 games :smiley: A little each day.

Game have a disclaimer for switch on their website. basically they aren't even sure if they will get enough to fulfil preorders atm. I can see the second it runs out the same happening with the switch as with mini nes and the insane price hike we currently have with it. anyone lucky to get one can basically charge what they want as someone out there will buy it.

If we're basing everything on raw spec and writing consoles off if they don't match up then surely we shouldn't be advising the Xbox One anymore as it is considerably underpowered compared to the PS4 Pro. In fact the difference between the XboxOne and the PS4 Pro is larger than the XB1 to Switch. But then wait, what happens when the Scorpio comes out, if the alleged spec is correct then it's going to have a bigger power difference to the PS4 pro than the previously mentioned ones. Essentially people should only have the technically very best machine out at the time?

Do Argos deliver on release day?

no point in having my shiny new Switch on the Friday with nothing to play on it!

edit: I'll answer my own question. It clearly states "Pre-order to be delivered on 3rd March 2017" so lets hope so!

edit again: in fact, stuff that:

from the actual hardware page, so I see no reason the games will be different:

"Argos will endeavour to deliver FREE on the launch date using 1st Class Royal Mail. However Argos cannot be held responsible for any delay in delivery if there is a disruption to postal services outside of our control.
If the release date slips the console will be delivered on the new release date.
Please allow 48 hours from dispatch for delivery of the console. "

One sure thing about Royal Mail is that they royally suck...

We all base it on different things. Performance is important to me but not the only consideration. I like to have powerful systems and high resolution graphics BUT at a reasonable cost, so i wouldn't go out and buy a ~£1-2K PC but would (and have bought) buy a PS4 Pro as it brings a lot of the visuals of high end PC gaming at a massively lower price. basically I look for the best performance I can get for the pound, i'm value for money oriented in almost all my shopping, hence why the Switch doesn't tick my boxes....

I'm trading in my wii u and 3ds and games plus cash for my switch am I mad lol

So we all have different needs, different budgets etc? People have a need for the Switch that you may not as it doesn't fulfill your performance needs, I totally get that. I don't get why you have to tell people who are interested in this that though. Are you trying to convince people to not buy this because you're so incensed Nintendo haven't made a machine for you?

**** by you I mean people in general with the negative comments.

Someone asked if it was a good buy (at launch). I just said and tried to explain why I didn't think it was good value at the moment. As I said it boils down to value for money for me, and hence I will make my recommendations based on VFM too. I would have been a lot more positive about the Switch (and likely to recommend it) if Nintendo could have kept it to the rumoured £199 price point, for me that would represent good value for a system of this specification....

If only we could find a way to harvest opinions for energy, we wouldn't need another drop of oil.

I do like how some peoples opinions are more important than others.... wait....

Considering the specs haven't actually been released, it's a bit much to make claims like that. The guardian reports its running the new zelda in 1080p at 60fps, most ps4 games run at 30fps?

Great reply

Think they entered a black hole in space and arrived in 1997 when they could charge £65 for Turok 64, and sell it.

How the hell can 50 quid be considered a good deal for a game :neutral_face: You Nintendo people are crazy

Oh and before anyone says anything... We don't live in the olden times anymore :wink: Get current!

pre ordered mine day before announcement looking forward to it if I'm honest:)
I think the games will real at 40-45 come release.

​900p unfortunately. I don't care about all that stuff tbh....it's about art style & gameplay for me. I don't get people sat fawning over quality of bloom & smoke.

look at the art style of breath of wild, it's absolutely incredible.

I have a wiiu, I'll be more than happy with my £38 copy from Amazon. anyone that thinks they need to upgrade for a Switch at launch for one game is a little bit deluded.

no way am i interested in playing a game with such epic scope on a tiny handheld. this will be my 65" with home cinema all the way!!

I think you have some valid points are are clearly a Nintendo fan - that's cool , I think the issue is that the great unwashed buying public won't appreciate what you do, yes the switch is cool and it is there is no doubt - but when I comes down to it they will see the price and that is what will kill it , y s its Rep and yes the retailer have some margin to discount, but at the end of the day it's their profit margin and even is they sell at cost it is still too expensive for the mass market appeal.

Poor battery life? What 2.5-6.5 hours gaming between charges?

You do know you can play this on the go (battery) or via the TV (whilst it charges) right?

2.5 hrs for the games that are graphic intensive. Yes I do know but its not an excuse for £280 system to have such a bad battery.

Not to mention that the original 3DS has a similar quoted battery life range. I'd expect to see many USB-C battery packs compatible with this soon.

Go and check out "1,2 Switch". It's a game that's all about inclusion and encourages face to face interaction.

You say you enjoy the WiiU with your family so I think this game is most definitely for people who enjoy playing with others (family, friends).

Make an informed decision. Access everything and decide for yourself

Steam are still selling Turok for £15 and it's rated overwhelming positive, please don't give Nintendo ideas :confused:

By all accounts it should just work with a standard usb battery pack and a type-c cable so I am already prepared for it

Likely due to weight

I don't frankly mind 2.5 hours off a charge, wont be intending on playing for that long in one sitting anyway (unless using the TV and thus its charging), or will just plug the type-c cable into a power bank and carry on (like we all do with the 3DS in my family)

Immediately

Keep spinning that tripe. Typical Nintendo Defence Force comment. Nintendo got lucky with the Wii but the trick hasn't worked the second time. Now they're trying the same magic trick with the switch but Nintendo business practices have been stuck in the eighties and nineties from the online debacle (people wanted Nintendo to copy features from PS+/Xbox Live GwG online services to the Nintendo online service, guess which feature they copied? The subscription fee. And don't bother coming back with the one month trial of NES/SNES games in comparison to PS+/GwG as the competitor subscription services allow to keep the games as long as the subscription is active (for GwG you can keep the 360 games)) to the utter lack of games at launch (it's like 1,2,Switch was aptly named by someone counting the number of launch games), it clearly shows Nintendo's practices are out of touch with what is available in the modern day. Even in Japan businesses are evolving (for example just look at the way the Japanese recycle stuff, it's like far more advanced system to anywhere else in the world. Their engineering is also world class etc) yet Nintendo are stuck in the proverbial Japanese business stone age.

That price tag considering the tech that is available in the Switch compared to PS4 and Xbox One is diabolical. When anyone can get a Xbox One S and PS4 Slim in excellent bundles including games and extra controller for around £230, and deals for a far more powerful PS4 Pro for around £40-50 more than switch RRP, plus considering the multitude of exclusives offered by Sony already out and yet to release, the Switch price tag is highway robbery. Asking £50+ for switch games is criminal when us guys at HotUKDeals can get PS4/X1 games for around £35 before release easily. Nintendo couldn't even include that glorified tech demo 1,2,Switch with the console, expecting people to pay £50+ for it. Mario Kart 8 when that releases is a straight up port which only has battle mode added yet the asking price is £50! (And yet people have the gall to complain about remasters/remakes from gen 7 to 8 which cost less than full price when stuff like this goes on) Also don't play the "don't worry prices will drop very quickly" card, it's Nintendo we're talking about. Prices for Nintendo first party games rarely tumble. And I haven't even mentioned the cost of the switch accessories yet! Anyone needing spares would be quaking in their boots! Pro controller £99 (already a terrible price tag when xbox elite and ps4 pro equivalent controllers like the razer raiju have far superior tech and advancements and can be purchased for at or around that price tag), Two joycon £75 (separately £42 each, PS4/Xb1 pads can be purchased by us HUKDers £30), joycon grip £28, switch dock £70, total? almost the RRP of the switch itself.

And then you play the 'family' card. 'Family' games nowadays don't sell tons and tons of consoles and games anymore. The casual market (as much as us gamers despise admitting it) is the biggest market and is crucial to console, game and accessory sales, and nowadays the family and kid market cannot sustain the adoption rate and profitability of console gaming. Did you miss the part of the conference with the third party developers, one of which was from EA talking about a Switch version of FIFA (which looking at the in game pitch advertising hoardings, it looks like a Switch version similar to PSVita 'FIFA Football' (back then a great psvita FIFA game which was basically FIFA 12 with updated teams and well implemented touch controls, minus ultimate team), if the Switch version is to be successful though it's going to need Ultimate Team)? With the number of platforms CoD supports every year I assume the Switch will also have it's own version of CoD.

I just wish Nintendo didn't get lucky with the Wii and kept competing with the competitors Sony and Microsoft, and made a console with beefy specs and the games to match. Unfortunately people like you will defend their current practices like it's a matter of life and death, those who fail to learn from history and failings are doomed to repeat it.

I just want this for the new Zelda and Mario but was hoping it would be £200 as rumoured. Would rather wait a few months for it to drop in price. Also the fact that it's 720p is ridiculous considering its 2017

£250 was the most widely-rumoured price, but the typical range that was being mentioned was $250-$300, which this sits squarely within.

with the new Zelda game available on Wii U on (I believe) March 3rd it becomes a really tough sell. What are you getting for your £280 exactly? a customised tablet with only 32gb storage (SD cards are notoriously unreliable too) that will have some AAA exclusives that isn't even meeting Full HD standards on the handheld side. Oh and you have to pay for Nintendo's online service from now on even though there's beggar all to play (I believe it's free until the fall 2017 yeah!!)

there's just Zelda and that 1-2 switch game really should have been bundled free as it seems like a game that would introduce the console very well much like WII SPORTS did to great effect for the Wii. Even the overall lineup of games that we know of isn't that interesting apart from the Mario game and Xeno 2

Also no backwards compability for the Wii U, lovely. I do want this console to be brilliant but for £280 I'm not willing to find out personally yet

It's like they fired their marketing and pricing strategists.... and then hired blackberry's.

Nintendo, you deserve to fall and you will..

Didn't realise it was just 720p

The built-in display is 720p, but it outputs at up to 1080p.

The Guardian can report what they like.. BotW on Switch is running at 900p and 30 fps, with frame drops as low as 20 fps.

Play Zelda on Wii U and get a Switch next Christmas, because Mario Odyssey isn't out until then! Switch may be cheaper by then.

It's 720p because of the size of the screen. There is no point in making a 1080p screen that size when it will make the games look worse and drain the battery much quicker.

For you information, every single hands-on report, including Eurogamer and Digitalfoundry have said the screen looks great.

Perhaps, but consoles tend not to drop in price within their first year.

Wow :confused:

Take a breath man. No mention of life and death on my end, think you've gone a bit overboard there. Why do they make you so angry? I can't believe that you want Nintendo to try and compete with Sony/Microsoft. And what? Make games like Mario Kart 8 look and run better with more realistic handling? Turn Splatoon into a military cover-based shooter? (They could change the name to Platoon actually.)

You make some reasonable points. The online service sounds very weak but it's free for 6 months and we don't yet know the full details or what it is going to cost.

Also, they will be updating the SNES/NES games, adding online functionality and most likely new modes/challenges. The idea of focusing a community around 1 retro game for a month has some appeal. How many times do you see the PS plus games lineup get released and 95% of the responses are "What is this indie crap?" and "I'm never going to play any of these". Who plays 5 or 6 free games a month on top of what they already buy? And who goes back to them months down the line? Especially when the vast majority are terrible/unheard of.

The PS4 and Xbox didn't launch at their current prices so comparing the Switch's launch price to their current price isn't fair. It's also a completely different type of console and is unique in this day and age. Xbox and PS4 are iterating on their consoles in measures of teraflops. Fantastic. Shadow of Mordor runs at a higher frame rate now, isn't that great? Also, the PS4 Pro can't even keep up with the old PS4 in some cases, are you willing to criticise those who shelled out £300 on that too?

I own a PS4 and I love it, I really do. But my last point and most important one is that I am never going to play any Nintendo games on it. I would much rather see a Nintendo that isn't afraid to take risks and as a result creates games and experiences you just don't get anywhere else. Microsoft and Sony will make bigger and beefier consoles (well they are basically PCs at this stage) and Nintendo can be left to do what they do.

How does 1080p make games look worse than 720?

Fair point about battery life, its is already shocking at 3 hours.

Nintendo said years ago they weren't competing with MS or Sony. As for ruining their home console business, there isn't room for another cut-down PC that plays GTA and Call of Duty in the market.
Nintendo are trying to recapture the success of the Wii. They are a company reeling from the growth of smart phone tablet gaming and also want a slice of that cake.

are you really going to find 4 people/family members to sit in front of an Xbox 1 having as much fun as on Mario Kart? then you've still got to buy whatever game and 3 more Xbox controllers.

Wow people really love to complain. Just like they would complain at the lack of innovation if Nintendo didn't exist. All of this praise for MS & Sony is cringe worthy considering the double standards of what they actually do to the gaming industry overall with paid exclusives, paid online pay, underpowered & overpriced PC hardware, pedalling the same old genres and bankable franchises repeatedly, over-hyping and under delivering ....plus all the other crap and bad practises they are pioneering and employing, yet somehow now in the wake of the Switch launch they are the shining example of what Nintendo should be copying. Laughable really.

I think people are just assuming that this is going to be another modified NVidia Tegra shield with a couple of bells and whistles. Until we get the specs of the custom Tegra chip in the switch then we can't really speculate on the performance of the console/tablet.

I guess people are worried about a bait and switch :stuck_out_tongue:

At launch the RRP for PS4 and Xbox launch were £59.99 ( org disc and digital download). Prices reduced after a few weeks

You don't even need the custom specs. If people are expecting the Switch to have graphics near or better than PS4/PS4 Pro...you can keep dreaming.

£279 considering the current gen consoles are more powerful, ain't even worth the price for the Switch. £199 is the sweet spot got a sneaky feeling Nintendo bumped price last minute during presentation.

Well said. 100% agree. Nintendo are still in the 80s era with their tech and innovation.
£279 for a gimmick console. For £218 you can pick up a PS4 Slim and the hardware is far superior. Nintendo are charging way too much for the Switch. The price of accessories are a joke. Now they are charging for online but here is the little catch people are not aware of; Nintendo online infrastructure is a joke and on top of that your game purchases are tied to hardware not your Nintendo account. Less not forget you need to pay for online in order to party chat and create lobbies loooool. I can party chat on my PS4 without PlayStation Plus.

The only decent hardware from Nintendo is the SNES. Rest gimmicks. The way Nintendo manages things are dreadful. I wonder what will happen to those whom upload Nintendo Switch games on to YouTube? I know the answer; STRIKE!
Pathetic really by Nintendo

All Nintendo had to do is release a gaming console just like PS4/Xbox One S and have beefier specs supporting 4K/HDR. Bring back the old games from all the other Nintendo consoles and make them available digitally or cartridge, disc etc. This would have put Nintendo in a far better position. Developers will jump to your console. Then at E3 they could have shown off a handheld device that is the successor to the 3DS if they wanted too. That way both markets covered.

This tight-**** Nintendo don't want to use Blu-ray as they don't want to pay royalty fees to Sony, LG, etc whom ever is in the Blu-ray ownership. They rather spend more money on custom made cartridges well done geeks.

This £279 and overpricing of accessories is to make up for the Wii U loss in sales.
The console will sell during launch period after that it will follow the same path as the Wii U.

There is like 1 launch title its not even worth it maybe in 4 years or somthing

That's a valid point, but if you were to power a screen wirelessly with a ps4 running it, your battery would be lucky to last fifteen minutes. It's more advanced technology - it's just the focus is cycles per mAh, rather than out and out power.

I am also going to wait and see. I will probably buy one even if it is a total failure. I'd be interested to see what the online offering turns out to be (a month demo of a random SNES game? No thanks); Sounds awful right now.
Bundle-me-do for Mario Kart 8!

:laughing: The outrage at Nintendo from some is hilarious! It's like the dumped in your dinner by releasing Switch! The horror! The horror!

Have to say again though, the "its expensive but less powerful" line is just a little lazy and short sighted. It's actually a little sad that the home gaming market has regressed to the PC Master Race approach to things.

I imagine closer to launch everywhere will start to match this. Apparently Bomberman for example hasn't actually had its price confirmed yet despite most retailers listing it at full whack. So some might come down from this too.

I'm a PS4 lover, enjoyed the Wii, but didn't like the idea of the Wii-U, but it boils my pi55 when I see the comments on here about the price of this.

Sony sick a pair of VR goggles out for 350 quid and no-one bats an eyelid. Nintendo release a new console that actually breaks the mold a bit and and it's too pricey.

Madness....

Oh yeah. £35 for a few crappy mini games. Bargain.

Even as a die hard Nintendo Fan ... price should of been £200 & all of this talk of expensive price and what not would of been completely different. I think they dropped the ball marketing this thing already , that's before the thing launches , if you guys remember wiiu launch and the abysmal marketing and awareness that didn't get you will know this is on that same path ! NintendoUK need an overhaul dramatically, head of Pr & sales should be Fired that's for damn sure

I am almost 100% sure Nintendo did not decide at the last minute during the presentation to change the price of a major new product, don't think you quite understand how these kind of commercial decisions are made

£229 and I would have had a pre-order as soon as the presentation ended. £279 is very expensive, especially as it'll end up being £329 once a game is factored in.

It simply doesn't compare well to the Shield which can be had for £190 and has very similar innards. £90 for 1gb ram, 16gb flash, a battery a screen and the ability to split the controller in 2? It's not great value, especially when you factor in the fact that the NVidia Shield would have pretty high profit margins already.

How long after release was it the Wii U got an official price drop?

Personally I think this is going to bomb.

​Yes but they can't be expecting people to fork out close to £350 (console and game) to play one game when the hardware the console is packing isn't going to run current gen titles as well as it's counterparts. Remember Call of Duty World at War on Wii compared to 360 and PS3. It'll be this all over again... I really like Nintendo games though and will buy them on my PS5. Especially if there is a new Metroid. :smile:

​it's more powerful than the WiiU
it's also x2 based which is roughly 2.5x x1 power

PS4 launched at £349, XB1 at £429, Switch is £280. Ok it's not quite as powerful, but is the Bugatti Veyron the best car because it's got the most power? You are getting a home console and portable console for the money, I think it's priced fine.

The real issue for me is lack of games at or soon after launch.

Super Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Castlevania, Starfox, F-zero, Mega Man, Kid Icarus, Kirby, Pokemon, Pikmin, Bayonetta, Final Fantasy, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark remake, Plus a multitude of highly rated RPG's that used to flood Nintendo consoles...

WHERE ARE YOU ALL????!

Yay Zelda

​ As a young lad in his first job, I paid £265 for their N64 with Mario 64 and an extra pad.
Within 3 months, it was being sold for £179.
Wait a little while, see what happens.
If Spla2n is cross console like Wild Breathe, we won't even be getting one.

Thanks, good deal! I've cancelled my Amazon pre-order at £59.99 for Breath of the Wild. Heat added.

N64 games were 59.99 on release, and that was 20 odd years ago. its really not that cray cray.

just called amazon and looks like they'll match it anyway, so ive left mine be.

Your just throwing around random numbers you know nothing about

I'm so disappointed in the switch; I have an Xbox one but an all in one device which allows me to play at home and away is unbelievable and I still think the initial concept is great, but there are a few major own goals

Price of accessories
Cost of device (I know it's not crazy expensive, but I still find £280 a lot when nothing is bundled in)
Launch games - or lack of.
Online features only in an app - I mean cmon I was voice chatting natively on a console on SOCOM on the PS2!

The big one for me is third party support, I have precisely 0 Xbox one exclusive games and hearing news like this worries me immensely with the switch:
Fifa Switch will be reportedly based off the PS3/360 versions

If it had the same third party games as the XBOX equivalent even in a lower resolution, then it's day one purchase, but right now it's not looking good for Nintendo.

Yeah sure sure and you know all about it ofc

Its more powerful than the WiiU and the WiiU games look great.

Either way bashing on Nintendo isn't going to make this fail, only Nintendo can screw this up frankly.

We have pre-ordered one, as we are expecting this to be quite hard to get for about 3-6 months after launch (Game have already gone way over their initial pre-order volume but are seeking an increased stock allocation).

£280 isn't that bad frankly for what you are getting especially considering a New 3DS XL is about £180+

There is nothing on the market like this device and I don't seen Sony or Microsoft making a portable console worthy of competition anytime soon (Nintendo have made quite a smart decision)

We already have 2 wannabe PC consoles, this is something different

There is a list of all the 3rd party devs that signed up to support the Switch here is a photo they released showing them

I bought the N64 back in the day and it was £300 and £60 for Mario 64.I stood waiting for it from 1am as Dixons only had 3 consoles!!! Worth every penny! Alot of SNES games I bought were £60!!! Which is crazy Im not saying games should be £60 I think £40 is right. I have a switch on preorder and im really undecided. I will buy Zelda, and Mario. What hs put me off is Mario Kart 8 not gettting ANY new tracks!! Who cares about a few more characters they all play the same anyway. I expected new tracks.....Thats whats put me off and now thinking about canceling my pre order. ;o(
alot of money for 1 game and wating all year for mario ;o(

That means nothing. Vita and even Wii U also had an impressive amount of devs that had "registered" their interest but didn't make a single game for the systems.

True and I will be honest I find the lack of launch titles (and upcoming ones) a little light also. However I am hopeful that Nintendo will do this right they have been working up to this for a long long time.

The output in portable mode is always going to be 720p max, so when the screen is 1080p, it's getting stretched up, making it look jaggy. When a screen is that small, 1080p serves no real purpose. Like I say though, there are dozens of hands on reports out there now, if you find one that doesn't compliment how vivid and satisfactory the screen looks, send me the link. Battery life on this things is already 3 hours play on BotW on a single charge... that's about as on the lowest side of acceptable as you can go really.

Nintendo is as dense as when they released the Wii U. Charging for a tacked on multiplayer that requires an app, underpowered hardware and lack of good launch games all while PS4 and Xbox One have hundreds of cheap games to buy. Its obvious that Nintendo has become washed up and need to stop making consoles.

Hey guys I don't know if this is of any help but I actually got to try out the Nintendo Switch this saturday and I am more than happy to answer people's questions about it and give honest opinions about the Switch and its games.

I went in the morning session. Had to wake up early. But it was very much worth it

It seems only Sony understands what gamers want in a console as both Microsoft and Nintendo are clueless and lost making stupid decision after stupid decision. Theres a reason why PS4 has been so successful is because its good hardware at a reasonable price with a focus on games with no stupid gimmicks. Switch is going to flop harder than Wii U. Theres a reason why Nintendo consoles have sold less and less with each console they release except the Wii which was really successful but that was pure luck.

Zelda will cannibalise every other launch game anyway. The attachment rate for Zelda will be unbelievable.

You can talk about PS4 and Xbox One exclusives all day long, but the PS4 had no top exclusives until Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 came along and the Xbox One also took a while to get going.

If the Switch by the end of 2017 has Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Zelda Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey and Splatoon 2 I think it'll have had a very strong first year. Add in the potential of Smash 4 Deluxe and Pokémon Stars and it goes from a strong year to an unbelievable one.

People overrate Zelda. Its not as a big seller as people think it is besides most good games are not exclusive anyway. Give me Red dead redemption 2 over Bloodbourne and Zelda anyday.

Very glad Argos accepts Paypal! Had some credit left over, so pre-ordered BOTW, MK8 and a case. Hot!

I don't think they do overrate it. The last main Zelda game to launch with a console was Twilight Princess and that has sold 9 million copies. Your comment on third party games is a valid one.

​Actually it runs at 1080 when connected to a TV and 720 on the screen. The joycon comes within dock in the box to make it more like a traditional controller, so there's no need to buy a pro controller.

Love the way people are going on comparing this to the PS4 and Xbox. I'm looking forward to seeing people walk around with their PS4, monitor, glued on controllers and portable electric generator.

The TV connected functionality of the console cannot compare with PS4 or Xbox while retaining full portability. That is the point of the switch...

Well 9 million for one of Nintendo's biggest franchises doesn't seem great to me espesially with how long they take to develop.

Only game that would even tempt me is Zelda luckily it's coming to WiiU cheaper and only difference being resolution from what I've read, so Nintendo not ripping me off this time for underpowered tech and recycled WiiU games, heat for the prices though as cheaper than elsewhere.

As of January 2017 Uncharted 4 has sold 8.7 million copies. Gran Turismo, Sony's biggest franchise in terms of sales, sell on average between 9 and 12 million copies. 9 million for Zelda is a good number.

I was looking forward to getting a Switch but I think unfortunately i'm going to have to hold off.
Only big game on Launch is Zelda. I'll dust off my WiiU and play it on that instead.
I'll look at it again once Mario is released later in the year.

I never understand nintendo fanboys. It's like they don't actually want their beloved products to be competitive. Guys, just because you're a fan of something, does not mean you can't recognise it's flaws. Some of you are going on about how it's not expensive since it's a new console or comparing it to decades ago when gaming was more niche and technology wasn't like what it is now. What you're not acknowledging is that those new consoles usually have competitive justifications on top of the reasons why new products end up costing more. If you think about each generation from playstation or xbox, each generation has provided a vast improvement upon the last. The switch on the other hand appears to be based on 2 year technology that doesn't seem to be much of a step up from the Wii U and is at a price point higher than it's competitors that are already superior. Any other company and you'd likely have serious questions.

I actually want a switch, but the fact that the wii U has held it's price for so long has me worried. As a PC gamer it's hard for me to justify an expensive console that has expensive games that requires an online subscription that I don't need apart from certain sub games that is kind of falling out of style, and even then seems inferior to the xbox and PS sub models.

You can like and look forward to the switch. But lets be honest, nintendos popularity isn't what it used to be. If you're not going to acknowledge nintendo's flaws, you're reinforcing how out of touch they are and they're just going to fall behind when consoles provide a better console experience, pc's provide their own better experience in ways PC gamers are for, and mobiles have progressed so much that there's no reason why they won't eventually provide what nintendo is trying to provide since the switch is basically a tablet.

Personally I want to see some bundles, potentially a cost discount and cheaper games for me to think more about getting a switch. 1-2 switch imo doesn't seem worth £35, after all it's basically a minigame that most people will lose interest in fast. If you think otherwise that's fine, but let's not glorify nintendo and make it so that the Wii will be nintendo's last big success. If they addressed some of the concerns people had, that only increases their relevance right?

I think you have memory problems. You could never get an N64 and Super Mario 64 for £99 so quickly!

im waiting for real reviews and price drop or bundle at christmas till then brazilian loader + WII-U will do me :smirk: lol

look into my last post about wii-u :wink:

lol I never bashed the switch I've preordered it. I'm just saying the switch doesn't have an x2 processor

Any console released today don't do 4k, is not worth having and is outdated.

Switch has even more fiddly bit's to go missing.

Wouldn't mind paying £35 for a new AAA release but £50? that's taking the biscuit.

​it is only 720 if you play portably. it's 1080 when docked.

How many of you use your PS4 and X Box Ones one while travelling? That sold it for me!

I think expecting full on 4K gaming from a tablet based device is pushing it, absolutely no reason it couldn't stream in 4k for video on apps like Netflix, Youtube Amazon etc when docked though, especially since the Shield TV, on which it's hardware is closely based can stream 4K easily and even run basic games in 4K. IMHO Switch should have been 4K for streaming video and solid 1080P for games when docked, perhaps with 4K upscaling to make the image look a bit cleaner, much like the existing, £200, Xbox One S already does....

Get what you're saying - I kind of agree - but is there a 4k TV in the land that doesn't have Netflix/streaming built in already? This is how Nintendo think - and it makes sense in all honesty.

Anyone who buys a Switch at launch has more money than sense.

Within 12 months I suspect it will be at least a £100 cheaper and by then it might actually have more than a handful of games worth playing. Alternatively, it could bomb so bad that nobody will want to buy it at any price.

Nintendo have always been the biggest rip off merchants in gaming but this time they really have gone too far!

RRP for PS4/Xb1 games is £55. So Switch games are not £15 more.

Nintendo consoles are NOT about specs. They are intended to be a different gaming experience compared to the PS and Xbox.

Why anyone compares this to an xbox and ps4 is beyond me its not ment to be on par graphics wise its that you can take this out with you or play in another room. The control system is totally different to anything else out there and I cant wait for it . I have an xbox one s already and love it this console is totally different and has so many games that only nintendo have . Always had Nintendos growing up and cant wait for this! Only let down is titles for release date.

The N64 launched at £400 and I was 14 years old and I used my premium bond winnings to buy it. Best console ever made but man was I an idiot spending all that money back then. You do but learn.

Mario kart is fantastic fun but even being a Nintendo fan this console is disaster and you better of using your wii or wii u for Nintendo exclusives

I was going to buy one then I saw the prices of the games and instantly thought **** that. I don't take kindly to paying £40 for a game but I'd of put up with it for the switch but £50-£60 for a single game they are signing the consoles death warrant before they've even released it. More expensive than Xbox one and PS4. Who's gonna pay £60 for Skyrim a 6 year old game! £90 for the limited edition Zelda people have lost their minds.

Either the Guardian are idiots or you misread. You must be smoking strong stuff to think its running Zelda at 1080/60, more like 900/30.

Could be argued this is also true for PS4 and Xbox One games if you start factoring PC's into it.

It wasn't though was it. Why the false hyperbole?

Console can output 1080p, don't spread false info.

When Nintendo were top dog back in the 90's they abused their position and fleeced gamers in a way never seen since. That's why I never bought a SNES and went for an Amiga.

They used to charge £49.99 for new games back then which I'd guess would be like charging £80 odd quid in today's money.

Third party developers were treated like **** and had to jump to Nintendo's tune and they were anti competitive in every way.

Sega wasn't perfect back then but their games sold for £10 cheaper on average and they embraced 3rd party developers and didn't censor their games like Nintendo did.

Thank goodness for Sony and the PlayStation who were the real saviours of console gaming. Games were suddenly cool and aimed at adults as well as kids. 3rd parties could make whatever kind of games they wanted without interference and game prices fell sharply.

Nintendo do not deserve the devotion that some people have for them.

Value for money is in the eye of the beholder I guess...

Sony's VR is far cheaper than it's competitors and I wouldn't be surprised if they are selling it at cost price or even a loss with the plan of making a profit on the games.

Nintendo never follow such a plan and will be making a juicey profit with every sale although they might well sell very few judging by the reaction of even pro Nintendo sections of the gaming press.

The PS3 launched at a crazy price BUT Sony lost more money per console than any other company ever has. They were selling it at over a £100 loss because it was so expensive to produce.

So accuse them rightly of getting the price point completely wrong but you can't say they were ripping people off because they clearly weren't.

PS4 is a bit awkward playing on a bus, paying for add-ons for games, I bought and I can't play Nintendo games for it.
I Will be buying this Nvidia Tegra Nintendo console :smiley:

yeah

Someone making profit doesn't necessarily mean they are ripping someone off. As I said, it's a question of value for money and that will vary from person to person.

Nintendo is just irrelevant nowadays. Just watch once all the fanboys and dumb people have bought all their systems and games the Switch will be in the exact same position as the Wii U if not worse because of the online sub. Sony and MS can charge for a sub because their online services are good but Nintendo is literally charging for a crappy online service on a underpowered system that has less power than the smartphone it requires to even operate their online service.

Um we have been waiting for Zelda for 3 years now. With the amount of hype generated ...I'm sure it will sell extremely well even if you price it 70 pounds. I know I will. Plus, xbox one and ps4 games cost that much anyways. Sooooo stop saying stuff that doesnt make any sense

When travelling try playing in rain.
Wait until you get mugged.
With a 2.5 battery lol

CEX will offer £4 trade-in value for these.... and sell for £85.

GAME will sell them New for £95 and Pre-owned for £93.99

Meanwhile, Tesco will sell the games for £9.99. Take your money, then cancel the order due to the misprice.

Gameseek will take 1000+ preorders and receive 5 units from their suppliers

At least they gave us an additional full retail game from a decent choice that time. They did similar with the 3DS and gave you some virtual console games and an "Ambassadors Badge" app. Add in the lack of support for the Wii U and I am ready to wait this time.

spec is meaningless on the switch
. why are people comparing it to xbox and ps4 ? this is not in any way supposed to compete. if they put fifa cod etc on this 98% of the fan Base is still on other consoles. the point is you get to play big 3d party games in a very good HD format on the go like fifa and skyrim....finding a plug on a train and airplane is not hard. and you get the full force of Nintendo's first party . not split down the middle like with 3ds and Wii U. If I was shown a spec sheet I'd be interested but I'm not gonna go "wow zelda looks awesome as does Mario but now iv seen its only 1.6tflops I'm canceling my pre order. that's madness. it is very expensive for the average gamer and could well fail given Nintendo's track record but people are judging this against things that in my opinion do not matter. ps2 less powerful then xbox sold better same for Wii and so on.

I've seen lots of people say that carrying a Switch will get you mugged. As If everyone isn't walking around with smartphones, tablets/ultrabooks, and easy to exploit contactless debit cards wouldn't get mugged.

Why is £50 for a game a shock there's plenty of games for Ps4/X box One asking £60+ You could always import games from US to play on it & possibly be cheaper?

Sigh. Fanboys and Dumb People. Sounds like the name of a new Netflix original documentary about the internet.

Your opening line shows how ignorant you are. The last thing you can say about Nintendo is that they are irrelevant. Have you seen the numbers on Pokemon Go and Mario Run? Have you seen the demand for the NES Classic?

Say what you want about this launch as it is certainly flawed but this thing will sell well as those who grew up with Nintendo in the 80s and 90s are now grown adults with kids and the idea of a hybrid system holds a lot of appeal.

You want it to fail. No worries.

Also, thanks for clarifying that Nintendo are "literally" charging for their online service. I thought it would be theoretical. Like you only pay if you want to or something.

The battery life is better 3DS as a handheld and I doubt your phone or 7 inch tablet can play top games much longer than this

Most gamers couldn't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a hand held anyway. The amount of times PS3/360/PS4/XBOX ONE users have shouted out about how good their 60fps 1080p games look is laughable, even more so when they turn out to be either upscaled 900p or running at 30fps. It should be fine and I assume you can scale back the graphic features such as shadows etc to preserve battery life on the switch when portable. I can't understand why people are so angry at the price when gamers were throwing the same amount at the Vita and Ipad.

Mobile gaming has always been steep, just look at gaming laptops and Apple devices. Compare the 3DS to the Switch and ask yourself truthfully is the Switch twice as good as the 3DS XL. So why are people so angry about the price ?

http://uk.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates

That's what i was thinking, as if it would drop that low after 3 months!

+1 We inevitably will have all this to look forward to again about 4K when Scorpio comes out and fails to manage 4K60 in the same way that the PS4 and XBOX One failed to hit 1080p60

Angry about price...
- £279 (Switch) vs £218 (PS4 Slim)
You get the idea in spec wise. Give or take at around £300 you could probably pick up a PS4 Pro using Very voucher trick and sell of bundled game to make console price cheaper. Switch is based on 2-3 years old nVIDIA Tegra and it doesn't bring nothing new. When people say you can't take PS4 out on the go like Switch, it's hardly a selling point. Try taking Switch out in the rain or try playing games with a 2.5-3 hours battery roughly lol. The way Nintendo ties your digital purchases to your console serial, image if you lose the Switch and you don't know the serial number your kind of screwed.
- Overprice accessories
Won't bother explaining this. You get the idea.
- Pay for Online
Yeah but Nintendo online service has been a joke. By the way in order to party chat or create lobbies you need to pay for online membership (PS4 you can use party chat without PlayStation Plus). Also with Switch you need additional app to do party chat.

The console is aimed at multiplayer games too. Here is an example playing a fighting game (Street Fighter) online on Wi-Fi your doomed with lag. No ethernet port on the Switch nor the Dock. I'm guessing you have to pay for some sort of USB to Ethernet accessories which again will be overpriced. You can't even play Street Fighter or any sort of fighting games using the Joy-con, we need D-Pad, oh wait buy the Pro Controller lol.

It's a joke.

I think it will just be the same deal again on Scorpio, most games running at 4k/30 and some like cod/fifa etc running at 4k/60 (or 1800p or something)

The trailer for street fighter literally shows that you can have a joycon each and play against each other. Most people dont have a 3+ hour daily commute, so im not sure how you feel a 3-6 battery is somehow useless on the go.

Agree the price is expensive, but the value of the pound etc etc.

I'm getting one, Nintendo games are too good to pass up.

You have no idea what your mumbling about. Nintendo has said themselves the Switch is a console rather than a handheld so that's why people are comparing because it is in fact competing against the Xbox and PS4. Also yes PS2 sold the best but those times were different when people didn't care about graphics but now people do as PS4 proves people care about specs. You fanboys are up your own ass sometimes.

It depends if cost is the only factor. If so, then Switch clearly isn't the best value proposition. But it is the only proposition which you know will be catered to families from the ground up. And it will be useful (as the Wii U was) in my household because folks can be playing on the Switch while others use the TV for something else. Also, check out the "Switch parental controls" video on YouTube.

I know others will say it’s outrageously priced compared with PS4 and Xbox One, and if you’re a hardcore gamer that’s a reasonable argument. But if you’re looking for a family machine which supports local multiplayer out of the box, Nintendo is the way to go. Switch is basically a superpowered, truly portable Wii U, which is fine by me.

The Switch will be doomed after it's launch period just like the Wii U.
Somebody call the ambulance for Switch (Wii U..Wii U..Wii U..)

:laughing::laughing:

People didn't care about graphics back in PS2 days?! Have a word mate, graphical quality has been the source of huge debate. The FPS scene alone has been a hotbed for it ever since Doom, Quake, Unreal etc.

The PS4 outsold the Xbox because of Microsoft's atrocious PR campaign prior to its release. By your reasoning then you can guarantee me that the Scorpio will outsell the PS4 Pro then? Look forward to seeing those numbers at the end of the year.

Depends how hardcore you are - it's a bargin compared to a top end gaming PC!

I like this reply, very sensible answer.

Will definitely buy this console but for no more then £150. Spent £500 for PS and XBOX so far, not mentioning few games and controllers. Can't waste all my money for consoles

Some weird arguments going on here... I wouldn't stand out in the rain and play any handheld device or phone/tablet/etc. I think most people using this undocked will be on a bus, passenger in a car, train, plane, etc, or even in the house when other people are using the big TV in the living room.

Wait until you get mugged... what!?!? Yes, this is a major concern, and the reason why I never leave the house with my wallet, phone, watch, wedding ring or house keys... hold on, I left my keys at home and left the front door open.... and I have a car that sits on the driveway all the time in case someone steals my car keys when I am away from home using my car.

I miss Nintendo. I mean that sincerely as an "of an age" gamer. I [vaguely] remember playing on a friend's NES back in the day and loved it. Sadly, my Mum didn't have the money to get me a console when I was a kid, but I've more than made up for that as an adult! I've had/have every version of the Playstation and Xbox, I briefly flirted with the idea of getting a Dreamcast, but passed, and I still love my N64 and GameCube. And, for me, that's when Nintendo stopped trying. People moaned about the GC not being a good console, but I disagree; I think it was Nintendo's last good console. Zelda and Metroid aside, there were a lot of other good games for that console, which I still own and play every now and then. That, with my PS2 and Original Xbox saw me through a lot of bad times in the early 2000's.

And then there's the Wii. I bought one as I'd always bought one of every console since the PS1/N64 days. I wanted to like it, I really did! I bought a couple of games that I thought I'd like, but that stupid controller was a nightmare to use! (I know you can use a GC controller too, but, at the time, I didn't know that.) So it ended up sitting under the TV being used every few weeks when I could be bothered to pull the Balance Board out and *try* to "get fit".

Now, I know the Wii and the Wii U (again, stupid, stupid controller!) are aimed more at families and that I'm far from their target audience, but would it really kill Nintendo to put out a sensible console that both kids and adults could use? Knock all of these silly gimmicks on the head and go back to something like the GC? No matter what people personally think of the GC it was, at least, a sensible console with a sensible controller!

After the Wii (which is sitting in it's box) I decided I'd forego buying another Nintendo console until they offered something better. Looks like I won't be buying anything for a loooong time! And, for me, that's a real shame.

I am voting HOT on every Switch deal right now, just to cheese of the XB/PS nutty fanboys :wink:

Couple of things with this...
PS4 slim is a loss leader so it's subsidised by Sony also the pro used the exact bluray drive out of the slim hence no 4K bluray :stuck_out_tongue:
It's based on the Tegra X1 and it's an older SoC but here's a youtube clip of dragons lair running on a ZX81, I assume you get my point. Given enough time to perfect system optimisation you can achieve amazing results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6-_48Aqso0

Losing your serial is pretty daft. Isn't it stored with the account details anyway ?

Overpriced accessories compared to the XBox one Elite controller ?

Online play is free to fall 2017 anyway. As for WIFI issues everyone is in the same boat with that so no unfair advantages. WIFI is no longer the sad state of affairs it was with the original PS3/Xbox 360, it has come along a lot. Pretty sure we used to play online multiplayers with the PSP ok.

There's no excuse for it. Mario run looks brilliant on my phone which is 1080p, so they should have made the handheld at least 1080p. They tried to upgrade the wii u which flopped and tbh I'm not that impressed apart from a couple of games that will be released to play on it.

No, I'm afraid you need to just admit that you don't have the technical knowledge to understand aspects on the choice of the screen resolution in regards to the Switch. It's been explained by developers who know what they are talking about. a 1080p screen would have made the games look worse; drain the battery quicker; and made the Switch more expensive. You can't explain the plus points of having a 1080p screen on it, because there are none.

People who are simply consumers and not tech designers, are too prone to just believing the higher the number is, the better it must be... and that is not always the case.

Read the dozens of hands-on writeups and videos of the Switch and the screen, please. They all say the Switch feels like an advanced piece of tech and screen looks totally great. So, you need to ask yourself what you are getting so worked up about exactly - it's a none issue. You need to focus on all the other current bad aspects of the Switch.. the screen isn't even on that list!!!

People are very quick to bash out at Sony for not having 4K Blu-ray drive but yet they fail to understand the reason/s behind. First and far most if Sony put a 4K Blu-ray drive it will put the price of the PS4 Pro higher. Then people would complain about the price. Sony have been doing from the beginning of PS4 launch making the console cheaper for us to buy cough unlike Xbox with Kinect priced at £449 during launch lol. Microsoft Xbox One console cost far less then Sony (has different RAM GDDR5, GPU etc) to make hence why Microsoft can bundle a 4K Blu-ray drive, the cost balances out. Imagine if Sony started charging a high price for PS4 Pro with a 4K Blu-ray drive, fireworks would have started.

The other reason behind to not having 4K Blu-ray drive on the PS4 Pro right now is because Sony has a Blu-ray market to not damage. They need those mid-high end 4K Blu-ray players to sell as they are competing against SAMSUNG, LG etc in that market. If Sony put a 4K Blu-ray drive in the PS4 Pro you think people will go out and buy the Sony 4K Blu-ray players? They will lose out. However give it until 2018/2019 onwards when PS5 is announced, Sony will probably put a cheap 4K Blu-ray player but by then there will be more advance premium 4K Blu-ray players from Sony. The other thing Sony are still making money from Microsoft. Microsoft have to pay fees to use a 4K Blu-ray drive as Sony and others like SAMSUNG, LG are part of that association. So Sony ain't losing out if people think that lol. Why you think Nintendo never goes Blu-ray route for games?

Yeh you can achieve better results of the years but in no ways will it outperform the graphics of PS4/Pro lol. It's like the Switch having a beefier version of PS4 GPU lol.

If you lose your Switch and you don't know serial number your kind of in a tough position. Digital purchases are not stored to your Nintendo account. When you contact support they will always ask for serial number and your username, email etc.

Look at the Joy-con controllers overprice for either left or right lol. Elite controller is a premium product. Switch Pro controller is nothing to boost about and no way near the level of an elite controller. The price is yet again ridiculous. The Pro controller should have been £35.99 - £49.99.

Yes it free until they start charging lol.

Multiplayer games that people play for competitive will always prefer ethernet over Wi-Fi. However not to worry Nintendo will charge probably £50 for a USB to Ethernet Adaptor lol

I find it crazy that the Switch is only coming with 32GB. I was laughing at cheapskate Nintendo when they did that for Wii U back in 2012. Its now 2017. Like seriously there are PS3 HD remasters that take up more than that on PS4. Anyone who thinks this joke of a system will get PS4 ports have another thing coming.

Ok, I might be wrong but Nintendo doesn't have warehouses full of bluray players to shift :wink: j/k

Logging the serial with the purchase information etc is just to to prevent cloning accounts. Annoying but do you want an online all the time oriented system like Steam?

Not too sure about the pro controller but my past experience of 3rd party controllers has been pretty bad. Nintendo are pretty good with their kit and PS4 controllers aren't the most robust from what I've read.

I don't think you understand how cart systems work. The reason you need GB's of space on a PS4 is two fold. The primary driver is that the system just can're read the data quick enough from a disc. The second is that the games are not satisfactorily finished enough (rushed) and they need outrageous disk space for multiple updates (lets use the latest CoD as a fabulous example). The latter isn't unique to PS4 - it's a problem with modern gaming in general - but some of the downloads you need to keep a AAA title up to date on PS4 is just ridiculous.

Switch doesn't have a large storage because it isn't needed. I find it ludicrous that I'm bouncing games on and off my 500gb PS4 - does my box in. And I can't plug in any external storage? Ridiculous!

Do you not understand what I have just said? Switch will be in the same position as Wii U and will get no PS4 ports. Fifa 17 on PS4 is like 45GB alone. Way over the space Switch has and thats one of the reasons its getting the last gen port of Fifa 17 instead. Dont be a smartass. Nintendo have literally caused a dead end for developers as now the maximum a game can take is less than 32GB.

Can't you install to the SD card which is expandable to 2TB!

Not getting involved in Nintendo's dodgy under produce, sell high tactics.Not interested, maybe at Xmas, if it's doing well and prices are reasonable, i.e. games under £40.They don't have the luxury of brand anymore.They NEED this to sell

​i do actually lol

Can only buy so many houses (buy2let) before you start to want the occasional treat for the family

​you do know the games come on Cartridges right? They just work, no installing etc etc.

Yes there is digital download too but a fast sd card is like 90MB/s read at peak not 15-20 off a disc based medium with file seek times to worry about also

Again, I don't think you understand how cart systems work! We have no technical details on how much memory a cart is capable of holding just now but 3DS carts are up to 8gb. I would think it safe to presume that Switch carts will hold more than that and even then, the architecture of a cart based system would mean an ability to deal with compressed data far easier. Another way of putting it - FIFA takes up all that space as it's the only way to get load times down to reasonable levels. Even then they aren't great.

I'm not trying to be a smartass at all. Just highlighting some inaccuracies. The maximum size a game can be will more or less be whatever the cart size is which is independent to what Switch's internal memory is.

As for the "last gen" FIFA comments. It's impossible to know what EA will release, it's all hearsay, but if they do choose to go with the old engine I think it would be safe to say it would be due to them being lazy rather than some issue around storage capacity. They have undeniable history of this across various consoles - Sony's Vita probably the most scandalous example of how horrendous EA can be at times.

I like that the switch uses cartridges. I have fond memories of many great cartridge games on the Megadrive and SNES back in the 90s. Instant access with no loading or copying or installing is brilliant. The thing is there was a whole different development ethos back then. The game HAD to be perfect on release as there was no Internet and no delivery method for post release patches.

Now patches from day one are the norm and games can be released in truly shocking states. Whilst I’m sure first party Nintendo games will be fine with very little patching, assuming third party developers stay on board, there will be games that need BIG post release patches, they can be nearly as big as the actual games in some cases. Now how does the switch handle patches like that? Will the cartridges have extra space reserved for post release patches? but this is going to be expensive and wasteful if it isn't used. Will the carts even be rewriteable? as if they are not any patching to the cartridge is impossible just like in the old days.

So if the patches have to go into that little 32GB storage area (which will be more like 22-25GB with the systems OS on) you could well run into a scenario where your storage is all gone after you have put your Fifa 18 cartridge in, for example, and downloaded it’s mammoth day one patch….

So while I think carts were one of the better choices Nintendo made for the switch, I still don't think they have seen the bigger picture, unless they do have a plan for post game release patches?

I think you are trying to be a smartass. A single modern games can take 50GB+ nowadays and games are only getting bigger and thats without taking patches into account and here you are being smarky telling me Nintendo can last on 32GB for the next 5 years. I'm telling you right now it ain't happening.

Jesus! I give up!

its snarky. not smarky. I nearly feel off my peddlestool. :wink:

This thread is hilarious. Lots of references of XB/PS in a new Nintendo console discussion. Quite bizzare that people, namely fanboys continue to compare mainstream consoles that focus on generic shooters, to a niche console that focuses on young consumers/family entertainment.

Is like lots of references about the last Saw or Wrong Turn horror movies in a deal thread about the latest Star Wars movie. Sure they are all movies, but you know different markets for different consumers.

Will the penny ever drop for some people??? !

Basically you lost the argument and know I'm right.

As you've yourself said, PS4 games generally aren't/won't be Switch games. File sizes for digital downloads are likely to be much less than 50GB - for example, Breath of the Wild is 13.4GB - and many people will continue to buy physical cartridges with no installation requirement. Yes, 32GB isn't huge, but it's readily expandable and perfectly sufficient for a small selection of downloads, and/or for those buying primarily physical.

Its fine if you buy very few games over the next 5 years for the system but it will miss out on pretty much every modern game thats on PS4 and Xbox. This is after Nintendo hyping the system up saying they have learnt their lesson and want it to be third party friendly and not just a Nintendo exclusive console.

I think that most people here acknowledge that the Switch isn't attempting to compete directly with the PS4/Xbox One - in a home setting, the system is instead a good complement to another console, for those who want access to that console's 'AAA' catalogue also.

I really couldnt give 2 monkeys what other peoples opinions are on the switch. Lets just say. Speaks for itself when pre-orders are sold out near enough anywhere.
Ive got one on pre-order. Cant wait :smiley:

That's a great attitude to have. :smiley:

Omfg this. The market is flooded with multi-platform games across PC, Xbox and PS4. I would bet that most of the audience for a Nintendo Switch has one or two of those consoles with multi platform games. For Nintendo to attempt to crack that market would be suicide commercially. It's absolutely impossible to compete in a market that as mature as that space is.
Enter the Switch. It's carving a space into the market with ingenuity and differentiation. A hybrid console that betters the generic casual gaming android tablets on the market, when in handheld mode, but holds its own in docked mode with clever controllers and game design that might pique the interest of PS4/PC/Xbox owners.

Rather than being a "me too" console appealing to the same audience of "gamers" they are asking consumers to consider this as another console purchase. Probably not the only gaming device you have in your home, but one that slots into your lifestyle in a comfortable way without feeling like a replacement of your existing gaming set up.

If you want PS4 graphics get a PS4. If you are expecting Nintendo to produce PS4 graphics in a handheld at this price you need to have a word with yourself.

You best tell that to other people. I've seen some people saying they were going to sell their PS4s for Switches and how amazing it would be for playing Nintendo exclusives and third party games and that Nintendo learnt their lessons from Wii U. Just sayin.

I dont get why all the xbone and ps4 owners are arguing over it.
Its not competing againsed them.
The switch definatly wont flop.

There will *always* be some who aren't happy, whatever's on offer. Bear in mind also that those feeling unsatisfied, for whatever reason, will typically be more likely to comment than those who are happy with the offering and just go ahead and order.

A desire to 'prove' that one's purchasing decision is the 'correct' one is generally very prevalent, all the more so here, where the context of console gaming has traditionally been one of direct competition - which remains the case to a significant extent, with the competition between the PS4 and Xbox One.

I'm not sure why some PS4/Xbox fans like to parp on about being able to buy a PS4/Xbox for less than a Switch when they clearly have one/both already.

Similarly, I'm not sure why some PS4/Xbox fans continually parp on about the Switch having sub-PS4/Xbox graphics/power - they all seem to wish to have 3 identical boxes sitting under their TVs which play all the same games.

When I have £300 spare I'll be buying a Switch but I'll wait until they've moved beyond releasing repackaged Wii U games.

3DS has outsold the PS4 & Xbox. The reasons the Wii U flopped were many, Playstation are just better at advertising to boys.

*also just to point out that you'd think that PS4 fans would have better things to do than haunting Nintendo deals, what with all the great shooty, drivey & swordy games available on every teenage boys favourite Blu-ray player.

Depends really if only 10k consoles available at launch for example selling out of preorders wouldn't be very impressive and means nothing, numbers are what's required to keep third party support which is what will make or break the Switch without third party devs it will be another WiiU some good games but limited appeal and relatively low sales over the lifetime.

You have to be trolling - if so I applaud you as you've caught me hook, line and sinker.

If not, I'll make one more attempt to simplify this for you.

PS4 games need large installs in order to run satisfactorily.
Switch games (and indeed all cartridge based systems) do not need large installs to run satisfactorily.
Conclusion - Switch doesn't need large internal storage space for the reading/loading of games.

It's really not difficult ffs. It's like comparing apples to arranges and saying apples are horrible because you don't need to peel them.

I reckon Nintendo will manage demand and supply throughout 2017 with the real target being Christmas. They've started this already with the whole "out of stock" preorders and will likely to do it a few more times during 2017 - Mario Kart release, post E3, etc. They have history of this (though maybe not a 9 month lead to target date!) and will be relying heavily on word of mouth/media reports rather than massive ad campaigns.

Yes quite agree. Look at what the console offers you (and your kids/and or family). Then make a sensible decision. After all the ridiculous alternative method according to some on here would be:

(1) Totally focus on what the historical sales figures are of Nintendo's niche family orientated consoles of past, (2) Consider what the nutty XB/PS fanboys say about Nintendo on the switch deal threads, (3) Go with the mainstream stuff that does not offer what you want, because it is apparently better value and everyone else gets one.

I will be applying the same logic as you and others and buying a Switch for Xmas. Using examples of 1, 2, 3 just makes no sense what so ever.

And lets not forget XB/PS threads are not besieged by Nintendo players/fans. The reason? They are reasonably content consumers. Is just a reverse problem and issue.

Like with anything, buy the console/handheld that has the exclusives you can't live without. Another 4-5 years and they will probably be emulating the Switch and porting it to other platforms. Depends on how desperate you are to play the games when they're released.

Gamestop had 500,000 allotted to them for pre-orders which all sold. That's just one retailer. Amazon, the largest retailer in the world, also sold out their allotted amount which is clearly going to be a lot. Not to mention the thousands of other retailers offering pre-orders around the world.
The PS4 & Xbox One each sold approx 1 million on launch day (including pre-orders) so it's likely the Switch has already sold that many if not more.

You do know even the Vita and Wii U sold out their day 1 preorders right? It means nothing especially without exact numbers and most of those are either hardcore fanboys or scalpers looking to sell their system for 1000% profit. For all we know Nintendo only sent 2-3 shipments to every store. I still think this will flop even harder than Wii U. Paid online on a Nintendo system? Lol.

Did you actually read what I wrote? Last time I checked 500,000 was a number. Gamestop released that's how many they were allocated and all sold out. They are one of hundreds of sold out retailers including some of the biggest in the world. What you think doesn't matter, you are not important.

Amazon are now selling Breath of the Wild for £49.99. Better than the extra £10 they had before that.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_nr_p_n_feature_browse-b_3?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A300703%2Ck%3Anintendo+switch%2Cp_n_feature_browse-bin%3A12384817031&keywords=nintendo+switch&ie=UTF8&qid=1484688792&rnid=671465011

Early estimates are pointing towards 2m sales by end of March. Switch is going to easily blow past WiiU sales in it's life time. That isn't a difficult target though, especially when the hardware looks very premium this time around (vs WiiU's plastic stylings).

For once I am not getting a new console at launch. Will wait till pre-christmas sale if it proves worth buying in the first place.

Yeah I saw that some places saying that over 1.2mill already pre-ordered, don't know how accurate that is but it's a good start if it's anywhere close. Good chance the Switch will outsell the Wii U by Christmas especially when you consider many people will buy it as an upgrade to their 3DS as well. If it manages to merge their handheld and console market it could sell tonnes.

Are you on drugs? A+ for effort tho! :wink:

*also, where are you getting this gamestop stock allocation figure of 500k from? That seems to relate to their Wii U stock allocation.

It looks like we've got a source here: http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/16/nintendo-switch-sold-out-at-amazon-and-gamestop-6383554/

OK fair enough, he's still on drugs tho :wink:

Yes I'm on Viagra and cocaine. Plus hayfever tablets.

On a Tuesday night? :neutral_face:

The party never stops.

Imagine how much more fun you'd be having playing 1-2 Switch tho! :wink:

Btw to your original comment; there are approx 70mill 3DS's out there so if 20% of 3DS owners buy a Switch that has already outsold the Wii U. It's really not a high milestone. What's so difficult to believe about that? Hardly that outlandish of a thing to say.

I was suggesting that you might be being a little overenthusiastic by predicting the switch will sell 14 million units by Christmas. Also, the switch is a quite different & more expensive proposition to the 3DS, & less clearly suitable for smaller children, so won't present such an appealing choice to parents buying as a present for their children. Who knows tho, maybe 14 million people will suddenly want to play old Wii U games this Christmas?

The Switch has extensive parental controls so it has definitely been made with children in mind. Admittedly it may be more fragile or whatever but way more than 20% of 3DS owners are not children too remember so 13 mil is really not that hard to believe. Also the 3DS launched at approx same price and sold 15mil in first year which is more than the Wii U lifetime. When the inevitable system sellers release (Pokemon, Mario, etc) and Christmas comes around you may be surprised how quickly they can shift 13mil units. PS4 sold like 20mil in first year it's really not that unlikely.
Either way it's all just assumptions at this point. You don't know and neither do I so let's just wait and see.

Wii U sold 3m units on release in 2012 and that was in the space of 7 or 8 weeks (launched early November I think...). Early indications would suggest that Switch will at least be in line with that on release. When you factor in the game release schedule I think you'll see a pretty steady growth of Switch users heading into "holiday period" where I can see this thing putting up big numbers thanks to Mario alone - even on Wii U, 3D World shifted over 5 million.

Zelda down to £49.99 on amazon now (£47.99 with prime)

I doubt that many 3DS will buy a Switch especially with its higher price as well as paid online.

Im getting a switch for my son. We have all the consoles. Im not comparing the switch to the xbox or ps4, nintendo havnt made the switch to compete with them. Everyone arguing about the price etc etc, get over it. If its not for you dont buy it. Good luck trying to find a switch few months after lauch close to the rrp. The switch will be like the original wii virtually impossible to get hold of yet will hold its value as like i mentioned It certainly will not flop

Games on cartridges. The 1980s want their gaming console back! So backwards and primitive. Seriously restrictive in terms of game size and ridiculously expensive in terms of manufacturing costs vs disc based systems. As always with Nintendo the technology generally is years old and obsolete before its even released. I understand the nostalgia people have for Nintendo but this will be a bigger sales flop than the wii u. It's far too expensive and bulky as a handheld. It will not perform as well or have the software support of a ps4 or xbox costing half as much . Sorry these are the facts. I picked up a ps4 with two top games for £180 with discounts on black Friday. Sold Fifa for £35. Nintendo are trying not to compete by releasing something like this. But this is the market and what they are up against a ps4 or xbox sub £200 with a decent game and huge catalogue of cheap games.

It's a (hybrid) portable system - using discs wouldn't really be appropriate. Agreed that cartridges are more expensive than discs, but capacity isn't the same limitation that it used to be (we've seen SD cards up to 2TB in size, after all!). The 3DS and PS Vita don't use discs either.

Also you basically need a smartphone if you want to do anything with online multiplayer on this thing as if you don't have a smartphone you can't do anything like see your friends list, matchmaking and lobbies so the whole of the online multiplayer is tied to a app on a smartphone .

Saying you can get 2tb cards is a ridiculous thing to say sorry.

Most decent games this gen are what 40gb or above? The cost to manufacture a br game disc is pennies. The cost to manufacture game cartridges is enormous in comparison - all past on to the customer and will almost certainly lead to inferior last gen games they can cram onto small memory chips to reduce costs and maximise profit.

Unbelievably backwards it's going back to gaming technology from 30 years or more ago. I know people have fond memories of Nintendo but this has epic failure written all over it. The mass market simply don't buy dedicated handheld gaming devices anymore in the West. Most people in Europe and the states game on phones, tablets or laptops if they want portable gaming. This might be what Japanese gamers want but isn't what the test of the world does. It's an antiquated model, they have gimped and crippled their new console to accommodate. Crazy.

What would you propose as an alternative storage model for a portable system? The use of solid state media has done no harm for the 3DS, iPads, iPhones and the entire smartphone market, to name but a few. I wouldn't expect to see install sizes anywhere near to the 40GB that you quote on the Switch - that's not overly common even for PS4/Xbox One games and Breath of the Wild, for example, takes 13GB to install

I thought the Switch was a console? Its also not very portable unless you want to carry a backpack with you as no way the game pad fit in a pocket.

As you know, it's both a home console and portable. If travelling with it, I'd not want to put it it in a pocket, but in a bag - just as one would with a 3DS, a Vita, an iPad or a laptop.

What if a person doesn't want to take their backpack with them or not have a backpack? I really don't understand what Nintendo are doing here. It just seems like they were panicing just to release something in 2017.

Then they don't take it - that doesn't mean that they can't.

Looking at its dimensions it should fit in my pocket easily if I detach the controls and put them in my pocket seperately

Do your research before posting misinformation about the Switch. Mario Kart and ARMS are confirmed to run at 1080p/60FPS. Zelda runs at 900p, much like many Xbox or PS4 titles. Plus many people that have used the Joy-Cons have said how comfortable they are both separately and with the grip. Let's be honest, until the console is released and in the wild, it's unfair to judge either how good or how bad it is. One thing's for sure, it is unique!

I don't think it'll come down a great deal, and if you love the Wii U I think you'll love the switch!

one thing to completely ignore is the comments in this thread about the specs. Who gives a flying **** about specs of a game console really?!

​exactly

Cold.r.i.p. Nintendo.

This is hotukdeals not "don't like it". Vote cold if you find it somewhere else cheaper and share where or hot if you think the price is good.

Not cold if you can't afford it or aren't interested.

Zelda has since decreased to £48 (£2 off with prime too). Same sort of scenario with 1,2, switch. Still great though because this was 3 weeks ago