you can get DHP453Z on amazon for £37.49 not sure what the differences are, bought one this morning
The_Pope
28 Jan 17#2
The 482 has a brushless motor and LED lights, so is worth the few extra quid
callum84 to The_Pope
28 Jan 171#4
481 is brushless.
482 is non brushless but similar form factor to 481. Its shorter overall and feels more balanced in the hand than the older 453.
enteryourusernamehere
28 Jan 17#3
This one doesn't have a brushless motor!
Nth
28 Jan 171#5
The "453" is like the Bosch green range; light duty home DIY. Unfortunately, Makita don't differentiate their products like this, so it's not easy to tell which is which.
The OPs drill competes with the Bosch blue range, i.e. the professional range.
callum84 to Nth
28 Jan 171#6
Dont think thats exactly true.
The 453 is an older model and on the same level as a 482.
Both are at the bottom of LXT range.
The non LXT models are more comparable to Bosch green.
Nth
28 Jan 171#7
The older model has a different prefix, e.g. BHP482Z as opposed to DHP482Z. If you look carefully at the 453 you'll see it's a much longer drill. The 482 is more compact and better balanced in the hand.
callum84
28 Jan 17#8
The part numbers are a complete mess.
I have a DHP 481 and was told by the dealer the DHP 482 was entry level in same form factor.
I see what you mean the DHP 453 is light duty but still above the non LXT models.
Still think a 453 is leaps and bounds above a bosch green though.
messyhead
28 Jan 171#9
The 453 only has max torque of 42Nm whereas the 482 has 62Nm max torque. The 482 is mid range I'd say and having one can say it's capable of most things apart from using hole saws larger than 60mm.
Nth
28 Jan 171#10
The 481 is the heavy duty high-torque model. It's for more serious work but then it's a heavier drill. The 482 I think is the best all rounder for performance, price and weight.
Agree the part numbers are a mess but I think they'll stick to it and only change the prefix with each new update.
And yes the 453 is probably way better than Bosch green and at least they now have different batteries to differentiate the DIY range from the Pro range.
Shayno
28 Jan 17#11
What's difference between 482 and 482z?
callum84 to Shayno
28 Jan 171#13
I think the Z denotes that its body only.
dont mack me off
28 Jan 171#12
I've used both and 453 is in no way comparible to 482 in terms of quality, power and compactness. Lack of light is a deal breaker for me also.
Nth
28 Jan 17#14
I agree, this is why I took my 453 back to the shop before I even used it and got myself a 482 from elsewhere.
The 453 is the black sheep in the LXT range. It should be removed.
callum84
28 Jan 17#15
Im tempted to get one now, might be handy for lighter stuff or prolonged use.
Use the 481 mainly for metal work.
Do you know how much lighter the 482 is compared to 481?
Nth
28 Jan 17#16
I was curious about this so I looked it up. The weight of the 482 (body only) is 1.8kg. Couldn't find the net weight of the 481 but since you own one just put it on your kitchen scales.
While searching I found that the part numbers are even more of a mess than I thought. The DHP482 is the successor to the DHP456 which was the successor to the BHP456. Side by side all three of these drills look pretty much identical.
Brushless equivalent to DHP458 with improved torque. DDF version is available. Most powerful brushless model in the range and a real beast!
thespud01
28 Jan 171#18
458 is prob one of their best.
The dhp & bhp are the same but the d means it's a newer chip or something or Better battery management. I believe.
spannerzone to thespud01
28 Jan 17#19
Agreed, the 458 is much higher torque (but a heavier drill I think) - much better for masonary drilling. I thought the BHP and DHP variants just were the differences as to whether it came with battery, charger etc or just plain body.
thespud01
28 Jan 171#20
Nah. The letters after mean the bits it comes with. Z = body only. Think J = battery. R = charger. M = macpac. Those are just guesses as to what they stand for. But the letters after deff denote what comes with tools. The d before numbers is an update of the b which is that power/battery/chip management thing.
thespud01
28 Jan 17#21
"Now any cordless Makita tool that starts with the letter D, like the DHP456, will be compatible with the new 4Ah packs (the model we're showcasing is supplied with one in the case), but is also backwards compatible with your 3Ah batteries."
That's what one site says about it
thespud01
28 Jan 17#22
Also on a side note. If u haven't already got any makita tools it's sometimes worth buyin them with all the extras. I.e. Charger battery and case all in one. As you can sometimes save £20-30 overall than buying separate. And also if u buy a tool with case it has correct inlay tray. If u buy that and the macpac separate well set you back a few more quid. I normally compare between Amazon & fastfix for makita stuff. Fast fix are decent and next day delivery which is free over certain price.
thespud01
28 Jan 171#23
Letters 1 and 2 indicate:
SY = 1.5Ah
RF = 3.0Ah
RM = 4.0Ah
RT = 5.0Ah
3rd letter 'E' = comes with 2 batteries (E for Extra)
Z = Tool only (no batteries, case, etc)
Apparently
toner84
29 Jan 17#24
Keep seeing these body only deals...but how much do the batteries cost?
The_Pope to toner84
29 Jan 17#25
Depends on capacity. 3ah is £42 then 4ah is £57 and the 5ah is £76. Make sure you read the comment above about bundles, as you'll need the charger (there's regular, fast and twin-fast) and perhaps a case
kristoff
29 Jan 17#26
Now this is pure drill porn and I'm loving it, some really good info here, thanks drillmeisters. Voted hot, too,
thespud01
29 Jan 172#27
It all depends on the user really. If u just want a drill for occasional use. U could prob just get drill, 3ah, and single port charger. If you are an enthusiast and plan on slowly building up your tools I'd skip the single charger and get a dual. The macpac cases are quite good once you have several tools as they all stack but do take up a bit of space but I like them. I personally have 2 x 4ah and I just bought a 5ah when Amazon had £10 off £50 spend. I have a twin battery sds so dual charger a must really. As an example fast fix do an add on macpac for like £20 when u buy a tool which includes an inlay tray for that tool. If u buy case and tray separate you looking over £40 prob. General rule I find you save £20 buying a "kit" over separate parts.
I do have about 9 of their battery operated tool and only recently acquired my 3rd battery. So I wouldn't go down a full kit route every time.
jaizan
29 Jan 17#28
For anyone not already set up with Makita batteries & a charger, surely it would be much more economic to wait for an offer for a Bosch or Makita drill with a couple of batteries thrown in ?
Anyone doing large projects needs 2 batteries to allow continuous working.
Not used them yet, I used Lawson HIS instead, but reviews for Alan Wadkins Tool Store are very good.
And also do good cashback.
I wouldn't use powertoolworld.co.uk. Not used them myself, but that's because the reviews are very poor for them.
So far I've used FFX - who dealt with issues well (gave free stuff), but they were slow, and items invariably arrived damaged or wrong. So I gave up on them and used Lawson HIS.
Lawson HIS were much quicker, and also gave free stuff for inconvenience. First order arrived damaged but replacement was extremely well packaged - totally over packaged, to avoid any chance of damage.
Still flexible like FFX, although a bit less so perhaps.
Toolstop have been very quick - the quickest to respond and collect a damaged item. But the least flexible. And things go out of stock all the time, so replacement is inconvenient. Perhaps it's just the model I ordered (a multi tool).
Nothing free offered for inconvenience.
Not so much an issue if buying a bare tool, but when you get them as a kit in a makpac - because of all the empty room items can quickly get damaged as if the package is turned upside down, the tool will knock around (into the charger, batteries etc), and potentially damage in inlay, other items, and inside of the makpac.
So I'd always ask for the items to be well packaged (e.g. bubble wraped inside) and extra care taken.
I've not had a first order arrive undamaged yet using three different retailers.
Could be seen as overly fussy, but when you're spending sometimes hundreds on tools, it's reasonable to expect it to all come in perfect condition I think.
Perhaps their market is more professionals on site, who may not care as the tools could get knocked around anyway. But yeah.
You can get the dhp482 for £10 more at FFX. So would say that's the better choice personally.
Probably better going for 4ah batteries. 5ah are quite high price as they are newer novelty. U can get any drill as a kit. Fast fix offer multiple configurations of same tool. As I'm sure Amazon and others do. The fast charge time means u could get away with 1 battery. Do a job. 40 mins to charge 4 ah. Cup of coffee and a spot of lunch and u good to go again
Shinoke to thespud01
29 Jan 17#33
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I guess the point you were trying to make is if you use Fast fix and the like - actually tends to just be a few places like fast fix and ITS - you can get it as a kit with 4ah instead of 5ah.
But at fast fix that's:
2 x 4.0Ah Batteries (£259.95)
2 x 5.0Ah Batteries (£289.95
So £30 difference. I'd rather pay the £30 more for the 5ah to be honest.
But you can just get the kit from another retailer for less - it's cheaper, before substantial cash back, to get the 5ah kit from Alan Wadkins than the 4ah from fast fix.
So if you're willing to shop around, you'll often see deals for the new kit which makes it cheaper than getting the older stuff from the same place all the time, or without shopping around.
dont mack me off to thespud01
31 Jan 17#38
Not sure i agree. The 3ah charge very quickly (20 odd mins compared to 40!) which combined with low price makes me think they are a good option. I've got both 3's and 4's. I think the 3's are lighter than the 4's as well. Depends how you use them i suppose. Heavy use then i may agree.
Shinoke
29 Jan 17#32
4ah don't make any sense, unless they're significantly cheaper. But for the kits I've looked at they're not.
5ah are now used in kits, not 4ah. So 4ah is for old kits only. And they're often not cheaper.
I got the DHP484, DC18RC fast charger, Makpac, inlay and 2 x 5ah batteries for £230.
Works out around £337.50 with cashback. So a great deal.
4ah basically weigh the same as 5ah. 6ah are now available, although not in kits. And they're ridiculously expensive because they're the new novelty as you put it.
thespud01
30 Jan 17#34
Yeah I would in that example too. I was thinking more just purchasing a single battery. 3ah prob better example than 4. On Amazon 3ah(£46) is £35. Cheaper than 5ah (£79) so almost 1/2 the price. Although one can argue it doesn't last as long it's probably fully charged in 1/2 the time.
It all depends on what work you need the tools for. If it's just drilling odd holes 3ah would be fine. If it's for work or big projects I'd probably get a more expensive battery or 2 x 3ah which means no downtime.
Shinoke
30 Jan 17#35
Yeah, I started with no kit so got a full kit, which makes the larger capacity batteries the better choice. I worked out that making the same kit myself with 2 x 2ah batteries would have saved me about £30 or something.
3ah, 4ah, 5ah, and 6ah all weight around the same. Makita say the same but it's about 5-10 grams each time. So virtually the same. Around 600 grams I believe.
2ah is around half the weight I think.
So 3ah seems like a poor investment.
I'd like to get some 2ah as they can be had for around £30, and at around 300 grams I believe would make a notable weight difference for the drill etc.
Waiting for the BL1820B though. So with the battery monitor. They sell them in the US and Asia I think, but not the UK yet. Currently only the old 2ah without the battery montor (BL1820) is available here.
thespud01 to Shinoke
30 Jan 17#36
Yeah. Same principle as I said that u could buy 2 smaller batteries for the same price as one big on. Makita official site doesn't mention the 2ah and on Amazon they are similar price to a 3ah. Weight is a different variable. My point was more that if you need continuity 2 smaller batteries may serve better than 1 larger one that then takes longer to charge whilst paying very similar amounts.
thespud01 to Shinoke
30 Jan 171#37
I personally bought a body only dhp458 to do my outside decking and a 4ah. They were cheapest I found when bought separately. But I think there was an offer at the time. I then bought the dhr264 sds which was twin battery so bought the same 4ah to pair up. I since have expanded my tools to about 8-10 makita tools. Only bought a 5ah a week or so ago with £10 discount on Amazon as I started finding I needed a battery for my tools to use while my sds ones charged.
Shinoke
1 Feb 17#39
About 5 grams lighter lol. Imperceptible.
dont.mack.me.off to Shinoke
2 Feb 17#40
OK a very small difference but still lighter and over the course of a day may have a slight effect perhaps! At least my other points that i was confident on are accepted!
thespud01 to Shinoke
3 Feb 17#41
Yeah. I think the whole design of their stuff is it fits more than one need. If u need continuous power on a budget stocking several 3ah is the way forward. If money isn't an issue you would choose the 5ah or biggest available. I think weight isn't such an issue. Another issue may be that you work on sites without power in that case I doubt someone would chose the lower ah to allow more working time.
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482 is non brushless but similar form factor to 481. Its shorter overall and feels more balanced in the hand than the older 453.
The OPs drill competes with the Bosch blue range, i.e. the professional range.
The 453 is an older model and on the same level as a 482.
Both are at the bottom of LXT range.
The non LXT models are more comparable to Bosch green.
I have a DHP 481 and was told by the dealer the DHP 482 was entry level in same form factor.
I see what you mean the DHP 453 is light duty but still above the non LXT models.
Still think a 453 is leaps and bounds above a bosch green though.
Agree the part numbers are a mess but I think they'll stick to it and only change the prefix with each new update.
And yes the 453 is probably way better than Bosch green and at least they now have different batteries to differentiate the DIY range from the Pro range.
The 453 is the black sheep in the LXT range. It should be removed.
Use the 481 mainly for metal work.
Do you know how much lighter the 482 is compared to 481?
While searching I found that the part numbers are even more of a mess than I thought. The DHP482 is the successor to the DHP456 which was the successor to the BHP456. Side by side all three of these drills look pretty much identical.
Found this on another forum.....
* indicates models which have been superceded
Basic DIY models:
Model: *DHP453 - Basic DIY combi drill
Motor: Brushed
Speeds: ~400, ~1300
Capacities:
Wood: 36mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 42Nm
Weight: 1.7kg
Updated version of BHP453. No DDF equivalent avalable. Replaced by DHP483
Model: DHP483 - Basic DIY combi drill
Motor: Brushed
Speeds: ~400, ~1700
Capacities:
Wood: 36mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 40Nm/23Nm
Weight: 1.6kg
Replaces DHP453. No DDF equivalent avalable. New model 2016
DIY/light trade models:
Model: DHP459 - DIY/light trade combi drill (brushless)
Motor: Brushless, basic
Speeds: ~400, ~1500
Capacities:
Wood: 38mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 45Nm/25Nm
Weight: 1.7kg
Entry level brushless combi. No DDF equivalent avalable. Probably somewhere between DHP453 and DHP456 in terms of performance
Model: *DHP456 - DIY/light trade combi drill
Motor: Brushed
Speeds: ~400, ~1500
Capacities:
Wood: 38mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 50Nm/36Nm
Weight: 1.8kg
Updated version of BHP456 which in turn was an improved of the BHP452. DDF equivalent was available. Recently replaced by DHP482
Model: DHP482 - DIY/light trade combi drill
Motor: Brushed
Speeds: ~400, ~1500
Capacities:
Wood: 38mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 62Nm/36Nm
Weight: 1.8kg
Replacement for DHP456 which in turn was an improved of the BHP/DHP452. New model 2016
Trade models:
Model: *DHP480 - Trade combi drill (brushless)
Motor: Brushless
Speeds: ~400, ~1500
Capacities:
Wood: 38mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 54Nm/36Nm
Weight: 1.6kg
DDF equivalent was available. Recently replaced by DHP484
Model: DHP484 - Trade combi drill (brushless)
Motor: Brushless
Speeds: ~400, ~2000
Capacities:
Wood: 38mm
Masonry: 13mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 54Nm/30Nm
Weight: 1.6kg
Replacement for DHP480. New model 2016
Heavy duty trade models:
Model: DHP458 - Heavy duty combi drill
Motor: Brushed
Speeds: ~400, ~2000
Capacities:
Wood: 65mm
Masonry: 16mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 91Nm/58Nm
Weight: 2.3kg
Heavy duty replacement for the original BHP/DHP481 combi drill. Most powerful brushed model in the range
Model: DHP481 - Heavy duty combi drill (brushless)
Motor: Brushless
Speeds: ~400, ~2000
Capacities:
Wood: 65mm
Masonry: 16mm
Metal: 13mm
Torque: 115Nm/60Nm
Weight: 2.7kg
Brushless equivalent to DHP458 with improved torque. DDF version is available. Most powerful brushless model in the range and a real beast!
The dhp & bhp are the same but the d means it's a newer chip or something or Better battery management. I believe.
That's what one site says about it
SY = 1.5Ah
RF = 3.0Ah
RM = 4.0Ah
RT = 5.0Ah
3rd letter 'E' = comes with 2 batteries (E for Extra)
Z = Tool only (no batteries, case, etc)
Apparently
I do have about 9 of their battery operated tool and only recently acquired my 3rd battery. So I wouldn't go down a full kit route every time.
Anyone doing large projects needs 2 batteries to allow continuous working.
https://www.alanwadkinstoolstore.co.uk/power-tools-c17/cordless-drills-c259/dhp484z-18v-combi-drill-body-only-p38575/
Cheapest around I've seen at the moment.
They also sell it in a kit, with charger and 2x5ah batteries:
https://www.alanwadkinstoolstore.co.uk/power-tools-c17/cordless-drills-c259/dhp484rtj-18v-cordless-combi-drill-c-w-2-x-5-0amp-batteries-charger-makpac-p38592
Cheapest for that kit I've seen around.
Not used them yet, I used Lawson HIS instead, but reviews for Alan Wadkins Tool Store are very good.
And also do good cashback.
I wouldn't use powertoolworld.co.uk. Not used them myself, but that's because the reviews are very poor for them.
So far I've used FFX - who dealt with issues well (gave free stuff), but they were slow, and items invariably arrived damaged or wrong. So I gave up on them and used Lawson HIS.
Lawson HIS were much quicker, and also gave free stuff for inconvenience. First order arrived damaged but replacement was extremely well packaged - totally over packaged, to avoid any chance of damage.
Still flexible like FFX, although a bit less so perhaps.
Toolstop have been very quick - the quickest to respond and collect a damaged item. But the least flexible. And things go out of stock all the time, so replacement is inconvenient. Perhaps it's just the model I ordered (a multi tool).
Nothing free offered for inconvenience.
Not so much an issue if buying a bare tool, but when you get them as a kit in a makpac - because of all the empty room items can quickly get damaged as if the package is turned upside down, the tool will knock around (into the charger, batteries etc), and potentially damage in inlay, other items, and inside of the makpac.
So I'd always ask for the items to be well packaged (e.g. bubble wraped inside) and extra care taken.
I've not had a first order arrive undamaged yet using three different retailers.
Could be seen as overly fussy, but when you're spending sometimes hundreds on tools, it's reasonable to expect it to all come in perfect condition I think.
Perhaps their market is more professionals on site, who may not care as the tools could get knocked around anyway. But yeah.
You can get the dhp482 for £10 more at FFX. So would say that's the better choice personally.
Good reviews:
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.lawson-his.co.uk
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.toolstop.co.uk
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.alanwadkinstoolstore.co.uk
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.uktoolcentre.co.uk
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/howetools.co.uk
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.axminster.co.uk
I guess the point you were trying to make is if you use Fast fix and the like - actually tends to just be a few places like fast fix and ITS - you can get it as a kit with 4ah instead of 5ah.
But at fast fix that's:
2 x 4.0Ah Batteries (£259.95)
2 x 5.0Ah Batteries (£289.95
So £30 difference. I'd rather pay the £30 more for the 5ah to be honest.
But you can just get the kit from another retailer for less - it's cheaper, before substantial cash back, to get the 5ah kit from Alan Wadkins than the 4ah from fast fix.
So if you're willing to shop around, you'll often see deals for the new kit which makes it cheaper than getting the older stuff from the same place all the time, or without shopping around.
5ah are now used in kits, not 4ah. So 4ah is for old kits only. And they're often not cheaper.
I got the DHP484, DC18RC fast charger, Makpac, inlay and 2 x 5ah batteries for £230.
You can't get it at that price now, but this deal:
https://www.alanwadkinstoolstore.co.uk/power-tools-c17/cordless-drills-c259/dhp484z-18v-combi-drill-body-only-p38575/
Works out around £337.50 with cashback. So a great deal.
4ah basically weigh the same as 5ah. 6ah are now available, although not in kits. And they're ridiculously expensive because they're the new novelty as you put it.
It all depends on what work you need the tools for. If it's just drilling odd holes 3ah would be fine. If it's for work or big projects I'd probably get a more expensive battery or 2 x 3ah which means no downtime.
3ah, 4ah, 5ah, and 6ah all weight around the same. Makita say the same but it's about 5-10 grams each time. So virtually the same. Around 600 grams I believe.
2ah is around half the weight I think.
So 3ah seems like a poor investment.
I'd like to get some 2ah as they can be had for around £30, and at around 300 grams I believe would make a notable weight difference for the drill etc.
Waiting for the BL1820B though. So with the battery monitor. They sell them in the US and Asia I think, but not the UK yet. Currently only the old 2ah without the battery montor (BL1820) is available here.