55" 4K ULED TV for under £700 with a 5 yr guarantee thrown in from John Lewis.
Damn. I want this. I can't have it though. Maybe others can?
"Bring the brilliance of full-colour HDR to your living room with Hisense’s stunning set. Mingling pin-sharp 4K, vivid 10-bit colour and the brand’s innovative ULED technology, your shows will look remarkable. All of this tech is joined by the app-filled Hisense Smart platform, PVR compatibility and elegant Ultra Slim design. Bright, colourful and cutting-edge, this feature-packed set will the hub of your home entertainment system."
Top comments
The_Hoff
9 Jan 177#10
Really don't understand the rush for 4K.
Media just hasn't caught up and the content out there that's worth watching specifically on 4K versus 1080p is hardly exhaustive.
Unless you physically need a new TV my advice is to wait, the technology on display at CES is enough of a step change to warrant the wait, if only to benefit on today's sets at a healthy reduction in the months to come (yes, I know thing will always depreciate). There's some exciting stuff coming this year:
More OLED.
Proper HDR sets with appropriate dimming.
HDR standardisation / Manufacturers supporting the 4 competing HDR and HLG technologies.
And very thin TV's, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wXsUJrBGCI
The_Hoff
9 Jan 174#11
That's why I explicitly mentioned if you need (i.e your don't have one, it broke) then 4K makes sense. What I don't see sense in is throwing away a decent 1080P set for a second rate 4K screen, or indeed any 4K screen at the moment. Especially until manufacturers commit to support those devices after the HDR standards are addressed.
Dolby Vision is pretty much the only standard with specific criteria of which they independently certify devices with (the cost of doing so isn't welcome obviously), the others are more akin to a wildwest of conjecture and interpretation with no independent body to police manufacturers labelling their devices as HDR compliant (they might comply with only 1 element only), even Samsung with their Premium label are stretching it with many devices, like the 7000 series, which can only achieve 1000 nits for a few short seconds and doesn't have entirely appropriate dimming to prevent the backlight causing issues in dark scenes.
Most of this is addressed in the next wave of products thankfully as they're less worried about being first to market and more happy to cooperate it seems - only Samsung seem to have said they have no plans to support other HDR standards, whereas Sony, LG, Panasonic have said they plan to adopt all of the standards they're capable of.
Of much more interest to me is HLG which will allow HDR like contrast for live TV, it should be agnostic of device type but I won't be buying in to it until I know I can benefit from HDR for programming supporting it, that's what I watch most of (live TV) and so that's what I value.
Same price at RS. Bought one on Saturday. It's a great screen. £50 less at Crompton and Moore though. Try to get JL to price match
ibl0010 to danieltruman
9 Jan 171#5
How thin is the TV?
The back which house the components look bulky that may make the TV stick out too much when wall mounted.
courtster
9 Jan 171#2
Back up at £689 at C&M now. I price matched at £649 yesterday.
groakybaby to courtster
9 Jan 172#3
Isn't that only a 2 yr guarantee though? Compared with JL's 5 yr-er
ibl0010
9 Jan 171#4
To buy now or to wait until July /august question. Just when I was trying to convince my brain to buy to the hisense 55m7000 (which I am told is comparable to Sammy ks7000 in picture quality but cheaper), another reason to wait for the release of the MU8700 to get the full benefits of HDR10 (1000 nits ) is making the decision harder and harder. As I am aware the m7000 uses true 10 bits panel only display in 8bits with dithering. I therefore have few questions for you guys if I may:
1. Is HDR 10 bits significantly more superior than 8 bit with dithering and if yes, will the average Joe notice the difference between 10 bits than 8 bits with dithering?
2. Is there many HDR 10 contents available to watch.
3. Is 8bits with dithering just as enjoyable as 10bit or is 10 bits the way forum?
4. Any idea when hisense will release prices for the UK 2017 models?
danieltruman
9 Jan 17#6
Without the stand it's 6cm thick - it was slightly thicker than I thought but I'm not wall mounting
delusion
9 Jan 172#7
Looks good, but going to keep holding for now.
Will add to the shortlist along with the KS7000 incase a deal too good to refuse pops up... :stuck_out_tongue:
tcee81
9 Jan 17#8
Same price @ RS with 6 yrs...
courtster
9 Jan 17#9
I price matched the £649 at C&M with JL and got the 5 years. I was surprised to see them respond on a Sunday. Excellent customer service.
The_Hoff
9 Jan 177#10
Really don't understand the rush for 4K.
Media just hasn't caught up and the content out there that's worth watching specifically on 4K versus 1080p is hardly exhaustive.
Unless you physically need a new TV my advice is to wait, the technology on display at CES is enough of a step change to warrant the wait, if only to benefit on today's sets at a healthy reduction in the months to come (yes, I know thing will always depreciate). There's some exciting stuff coming this year:
More OLED.
Proper HDR sets with appropriate dimming.
HDR standardisation / Manufacturers supporting the 4 competing HDR and HLG technologies.
And very thin TV's, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wXsUJrBGCI
The_Hoff
9 Jan 174#11
That's why I explicitly mentioned if you need (i.e your don't have one, it broke) then 4K makes sense. What I don't see sense in is throwing away a decent 1080P set for a second rate 4K screen, or indeed any 4K screen at the moment. Especially until manufacturers commit to support those devices after the HDR standards are addressed.
Dolby Vision is pretty much the only standard with specific criteria of which they independently certify devices with (the cost of doing so isn't welcome obviously), the others are more akin to a wildwest of conjecture and interpretation with no independent body to police manufacturers labelling their devices as HDR compliant (they might comply with only 1 element only), even Samsung with their Premium label are stretching it with many devices, like the 7000 series, which can only achieve 1000 nits for a few short seconds and doesn't have entirely appropriate dimming to prevent the backlight causing issues in dark scenes.
Most of this is addressed in the next wave of products thankfully as they're less worried about being first to market and more happy to cooperate it seems - only Samsung seem to have said they have no plans to support other HDR standards, whereas Sony, LG, Panasonic have said they plan to adopt all of the standards they're capable of.
Of much more interest to me is HLG which will allow HDR like contrast for live TV, it should be agnostic of device type but I won't be buying in to it until I know I can benefit from HDR for programming supporting it, that's what I watch most of (live TV) and so that's what I value.
I doubt there will be much 4K content on terrestrial or satellite TV even in 3-5 years time, most current SD channels will (hopefully) only get upgraded to 720p or 1080i/p.
Always something better around the corner, in fact it's already here Dell 32" UltraSharp 8K Monitor someone lend me $5K :confused:
iz123456789
9 Jan 17#13
why hasn't TV prices dropped yet.. CES was announced what 2/3 days ago?
luvclub to iz123456789
9 Jan 17#14
I still have John Lewis price matches from 27/12/16 which are still valid for £629.99 and £1029.99 for the 55M7000 and 65M7000, but after seeing the new OLEDs shown at CES I'm going to wait until the 2016 65inch models drop down to more affordable prices.
The way I see it the difference between the 2016 and 2017 models are nearly negligible when compared to any regular LCD.
Defiant306 to iz123456789
10 Jan 17#29
They have all year, Samsung KS7000 was £1500 spring last year. Its about £850 just now.
LevelUp
9 Jan 17#15
I want to see how competitive the new Sony OLEDS are. not that I can afford one but more along the lines that LG will be 3rd gen this year and Panasonic 2nd gen.
fizz4u
9 Jan 17#16
Has anyone wall mounted this?
Can anyone recommend a decent wall mount that allows the tv to be adjusted at different angles?
ibl0010
9 Jan 17#17
When you say 6cm think, is the the top frame or the button which which has the speaker at the back.
ibl0010
9 Jan 17#18
is the HDR on the 55m7000 any good?
Pizzle
9 Jan 171#19
Paid £589 for this TV from AO 2 weeks ago. Just to inform people of potential price for this TV in the near future (hopefully).
ibl0010 to Pizzle
9 Jan 17#21
Did you use a code to get it at that price. Is yes, is the code still available.
I thought the new TV are scheduled to come out in the UK around July / august.
ibl0010 to woolymammoth8606
9 Jan 17#24
I thought the new TV are scheduled to come out in the UK around July / august. The prices in that link is for the models that's gonna be released in the us. No prices for the model coming to the UK in that link.
ibl0010 to woolymammoth8606
9 Jan 17#25
I thought the new TV are scheduled to come out in the UK around July / august. The prices in that link is for the models that's gonna be released in the us. No prices for the model coming to the UK in that link.
alexmurphy01
9 Jan 17#22
Have the 65 inch and it is superb with the right firmware updates etc.
clarky666
9 Jan 17#26
Was all set for a Samsung UE60KS7000 and holding off for a decent price drop but the 65" model of this is getting a lot of praise.
Anyone got one of these running Xbox One S or PS4 Pro and comment on how the HDR stuff fairs?
The_Hoff to clarky666
9 Jan 171#27
This will be nowhere close to the Samsung.
SpamJavelin to clarky666
9 Jan 171#28
Tested the Hisense at home for a weekend then bought this KS7000. Would have preferred the LG OLED55B6V but it's twice the price! 4k HDR content was a bit meh on the Hisense, quite washed out. Stunning on the Sammy though and no judder for me.
Really worth checking them out properly if you can.
The spec on this looks pretty good but don't buy it just because its HDR compatible because the brightness of 380cd/m2 is actually less than some non HDR tv's. Yes it has a 10bit panel (8bit+FRC) so will be able to do good shadow detail but its not going to do the high dynamic range for the simple reason the panel has standard brightness. The hdr picture is not going to compare well to a good example of the Samsung KS7000 which has getting on 3x the brightness.
thekitkatshuffler
10 Jan 17#31
Yep. I won't be replacing my 1080p plasma until it breaks or until one of these becomes affordable...
Kind of shameful they are selling an HDR TV with 380cd/m2, but then it's hardly alone... every HDR TV below £1000 is guilty of this, with the one exception being the Samsung KS7000. It's like selling a car that claims to be 'racetrack ready' but when you buy it, you find that it only comes with 3 wheels and has a top speed of 30MPH.
The_Hoff to Jams80
10 Jan 17#33
Not sure your analogy is correct, it's not that profound. It's manufacturers taking advantage of the confusion they have caused via the lack of agreed standard, naughty indeed.
I'd describe it as buying a track ready car that simply handles like a normal road car, it'll get round but just won't do a great job at it.
Jams80
10 Jan 171#34
I'd say it's worse than that... most of these sets don't even HALF meet the standards required for HDR. It's not that it doesn't do a good job, it doesn't do it AT ALL! You might as well not have it, you won't notice. What's harder to quantify is how many people are buying in to this nonsense and purchasing for this reason, when they probably already have a set that's just as good, or at the very least are simply unaware they are being lied to. Would they buy it if they knew the truth? I suspect many wouldn't.
The_Hoff
10 Jan 17#35
That's also fair, especially in the world of sales commission, Currys and so on i'm sure will be briefing people fully on the limitations of the "HDR" sets the punters are buying.
The power of marketing...
bonzobanana
10 Jan 17#36
This is actually one of Hisense's brightest panel displays.
Look at this one, its only about half the brightness of standard 4k sets but supports hdr and has a 10bit panel (8bit +FRC)
It's actually 3D as well using the active 3D standard which means for 3D its even lower brightness. Doesn't mean its not usable and a good tv though. Why can't I call my tv with 400cd/m2, HDR if a tv with half the brightness of mine is claiming it.
ibl0010
10 Jan 17#37
That link only show a brightness of 200 for the k730. The m7000 is 380 I think. Only Panasonic 50dx750b is 5he only tv I have seen with a brightness of just over 500
ibl0010
10 Jan 17#38
Can I ask what advantages or benefits does 10bit panel HDR 1000 nits have over 8bit with dithering?
Am I right in thinking that gamers and films lover are the people that would need HDR 10 bit with 1000 nits. I am sure most people are just average TV viewer and not need full HDR panel or full brightNess to watch eastenders or lose woman.
bonzobanana
10 Jan 17#39
That was my point the tv of this thread has 380 cd/m2 which isn't HDR brightness but some of the other Hisense models are worse for example the 200 cd/m2 model I linked to above. Many of the other Hisense models are between those values. The KS7000 by Samsung is 1000 cd/m2 and I think they are looking at 1500 cd/m2 for the ideal brightness for HDR but 1000 is probably within the range of acceptable brightness.
Need three things for proper HDR
A bright display, and a high contrast ratio 10bit panel that will give you the wide colour gamut with no visible stepping of colours going from deep blacks to natural light brightness.
bonzobanana
10 Jan 17#40
The dithering part is done by software so its an additional load on the cpu/gpu of the logic board. If your playing a game in game mode such processing can be switched off to reduce input lag however if your playing a game with HDR with 10bit colour then it will still be shown correctly even in game mode on a 10bit panel.
It's only really important for 4k and HDR material and sources. However even lower quality material including standard definition can be upscaled for resolution and feature improved dithering and colour.
Increased brightness makes a more realistic and impressive image which is really the point of 'high dynamic range'.
You don't need it though and sometimes the cutting edge sets have poor reliability. Lot of problems with the KS7000 model from Samsung, many people have issues with them. The less advanced stuff is often less stressful and just works to its lower standard of picture and sound quality.
Jams80
10 Jan 17#41
A true high quality 10-bit panel will give you a wide colour gamut and smooth gradients. 8-bit+FRC gets close but it's not at the same level. However, it can be a bit more complicated than that. You can have a 10-bit panel with poor colour gamut, and an 8-bit+FRC one with a wider gamut, so the latter may actually be better. How do you know? You don't, nothing is standardised!
The nit value (i.e brightness) is a different factor, and is what gives you the high dynamic range (hence HDR) of luminosity which in turn provides an image with greater depth and realism (but really only with HDR content, otherwise there's not much benefit). However, with many HDR sets having a nit value of just 300-500, well below the 1000 required standard for HDR, it renders the term virtually meaningless. How is this legal? Because again, nothing is standardised!
As far as TV's go, we are in the Wild West, so saddle up! :smiley:
ibl0010
10 Jan 17#42
Even though the m7000 is not full brightness (nit wise) am sure the 380 nits in m7000 and the colour depth gives a good HDR experience. Please correct me if wrong on this
P.'s. Is it the case that there is no point in having HDR of the TV does not have 1000 brightness nits.
Jams80
11 Jan 17#43
It's not HDR you're experiencing. There is no HDR experience because the panel can't display it. It really is that simple. Put it next to a Samsung KS7000 with HDR content and you WILL see a BIG difference. It's not something that can be described, this is a visual medium after all. Don't get me wrong, the M7000 is a great TV (although I did have issue with skin tones and returned mine as I was never happy with it), but no TV with a nit level of around 300-400 is going to be displaying HDR. All you will see between different sets is the varying colour gamuts, black levels and varied firmware controlling the colour space in the different panel types... but you WON'T see HDR, fact.
soultrane
11 Jan 17#44
How does this compare to the Samsung UE55KU6400 which is the same price?
The_Hoff to soultrane
11 Jan 17#46
I'd still go for the Samsung at the same price point, better more mature ecosystem, better resale etc. Picture wise you'd have to view them with your own eyes but i'd suggest the processing will be better on the Samsung.
Try AVforums i'm sure you'll get a wider range of answers.
Jams80 to soultrane
11 Jan 17#47
Samsung doesn't have local dimming. Good feature to have and definitely helps with light bleed for the most part.
Price matched at JL £649 same as Compton and Moore
woolymammoth8606
12 Jan 17#49
are we saying here that the more nits a TV is the better the TV is going to be, and that's what we should consider first before buying one?
ibl0010
12 Jan 17#50
I think it is a personal choice. As I understand it, HDR is only enable on TV when feed HDR content like games, movie. For someone who is not gonna be watching a lot of HDR contents then I don't think he /she would care about 1000 nits and 10 bits
panel (unless 10bits panel and 1000 nits absolutely improve the quality of no HDR contents as well). However, someone who will watch a lot of HDR content be movie or games will be willing to pay a lot of money for top end TV to get full HDR.
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Damn. I want this. I can't have it though. Maybe others can?
"Bring the brilliance of full-colour HDR to your living room with Hisense’s stunning set. Mingling pin-sharp 4K, vivid 10-bit colour and the brand’s innovative ULED technology, your shows will look remarkable. All of this tech is joined by the app-filled Hisense Smart platform, PVR compatibility and elegant Ultra Slim design. Bright, colourful and cutting-edge, this feature-packed set will the hub of your home entertainment system."
Top comments
Media just hasn't caught up and the content out there that's worth watching specifically on 4K versus 1080p is hardly exhaustive.
Unless you physically need a new TV my advice is to wait, the technology on display at CES is enough of a step change to warrant the wait, if only to benefit on today's sets at a healthy reduction in the months to come (yes, I know thing will always depreciate). There's some exciting stuff coming this year:
More OLED.
Proper HDR sets with appropriate dimming.
HDR standardisation / Manufacturers supporting the 4 competing HDR and HLG technologies.
And very thin TV's, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wXsUJrBGCI
Dolby Vision is pretty much the only standard with specific criteria of which they independently certify devices with (the cost of doing so isn't welcome obviously), the others are more akin to a wildwest of conjecture and interpretation with no independent body to police manufacturers labelling their devices as HDR compliant (they might comply with only 1 element only), even Samsung with their Premium label are stretching it with many devices, like the 7000 series, which can only achieve 1000 nits for a few short seconds and doesn't have entirely appropriate dimming to prevent the backlight causing issues in dark scenes.
Most of this is addressed in the next wave of products thankfully as they're less worried about being first to market and more happy to cooperate it seems - only Samsung seem to have said they have no plans to support other HDR standards, whereas Sony, LG, Panasonic have said they plan to adopt all of the standards they're capable of.
Of much more interest to me is HLG which will allow HDR like contrast for live TV, it should be agnostic of device type but I won't be buying in to it until I know I can benefit from HDR for programming supporting it, that's what I watch most of (live TV) and so that's what I value.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2016-12-bbc-high-dynamic-range-2016
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The back which house the components look bulky that may make the TV stick out too much when wall mounted.
1. Is HDR 10 bits significantly more superior than 8 bit with dithering and if yes, will the average Joe notice the difference between 10 bits than 8 bits with dithering?
2. Is there many HDR 10 contents available to watch.
3. Is 8bits with dithering just as enjoyable as 10bit or is 10 bits the way forum?
4. Any idea when hisense will release prices for the UK 2017 models?
Will add to the shortlist along with the KS7000 incase a deal too good to refuse pops up... :stuck_out_tongue:
Media just hasn't caught up and the content out there that's worth watching specifically on 4K versus 1080p is hardly exhaustive.
Unless you physically need a new TV my advice is to wait, the technology on display at CES is enough of a step change to warrant the wait, if only to benefit on today's sets at a healthy reduction in the months to come (yes, I know thing will always depreciate). There's some exciting stuff coming this year:
More OLED.
Proper HDR sets with appropriate dimming.
HDR standardisation / Manufacturers supporting the 4 competing HDR and HLG technologies.
And very thin TV's, like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wXsUJrBGCI
Dolby Vision is pretty much the only standard with specific criteria of which they independently certify devices with (the cost of doing so isn't welcome obviously), the others are more akin to a wildwest of conjecture and interpretation with no independent body to police manufacturers labelling their devices as HDR compliant (they might comply with only 1 element only), even Samsung with their Premium label are stretching it with many devices, like the 7000 series, which can only achieve 1000 nits for a few short seconds and doesn't have entirely appropriate dimming to prevent the backlight causing issues in dark scenes.
Most of this is addressed in the next wave of products thankfully as they're less worried about being first to market and more happy to cooperate it seems - only Samsung seem to have said they have no plans to support other HDR standards, whereas Sony, LG, Panasonic have said they plan to adopt all of the standards they're capable of.
Of much more interest to me is HLG which will allow HDR like contrast for live TV, it should be agnostic of device type but I won't be buying in to it until I know I can benefit from HDR for programming supporting it, that's what I watch most of (live TV) and so that's what I value.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2016-12-bbc-high-dynamic-range-2016
Always something better around the corner, in fact it's already here Dell 32" UltraSharp 8K Monitor someone lend me $5K :confused:
The way I see it the difference between the 2016 and 2017 models are nearly negligible when compared to any regular LCD.
Can anyone recommend a decent wall mount that allows the tv to be adjusted at different angles?
http://m.wbtv.com/wbtv/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:1maS7ULY
The prices in that link is for the models that's gonna be released in the us. No prices for the model coming to the UK in that link.
The prices in that link is for the models that's gonna be released in the us. No prices for the model coming to the UK in that link.
Anyone got one of these running Xbox One S or PS4 Pro and comment on how the HDR stuff fairs?
Really worth checking them out properly if you can.
The spec on this looks pretty good but don't buy it just because its HDR compatible because the brightness of 380cd/m2 is actually less than some non HDR tv's. Yes it has a 10bit panel (8bit+FRC) so will be able to do good shadow detail but its not going to do the high dynamic range for the simple reason the panel has standard brightness. The hdr picture is not going to compare well to a good example of the Samsung KS7000 which has getting on 3x the brightness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imP4WlXq53Y
I'd describe it as buying a track ready car that simply handles like a normal road car, it'll get round but just won't do a great job at it.
The power of marketing...
Look at this one, its only about half the brightness of standard 4k sets but supports hdr and has a 10bit panel (8bit +FRC)
http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/86e1608
http://ao.com/product/he58kec730uwtsd-hisense-tv-silver-37376-108.aspx?&WT.z_PT=AV&WT.z_AT=LED%20TV&WT.z_MT=Search&WT.z_RTM=PLA&WT.z_MAT=Hisense&WT.z_DT=c&WT.z_FT=Free%20Standing&WT.z_PC=HE58KEC730UWTSD&WT.srch=1&wt.z_cn=AV%20-%20LED%20TVs%20-%20SKU&wt.z_ag=product%20code&wt.z_kw=HE58KEC730UWTSD&gclid=Cj0KEQiAqdLDBRDD-b2sv6-i6MsBEiQAkT3wAsk6ZbiFp4KNG_WLqAS5z1bu4cXZb-E3eek9Rx2_2EsaApsr8P8HAQ
It's actually 3D as well using the active 3D standard which means for 3D its even lower brightness. Doesn't mean its not usable and a good tv though. Why can't I call my tv with 400cd/m2, HDR if a tv with half the brightness of mine is claiming it.
Am I right in thinking that gamers and films lover are the people that would need HDR 10 bit with 1000 nits. I am sure most people are just average TV viewer and not need full HDR panel or full brightNess to watch eastenders or lose woman.
Need three things for proper HDR
A bright display, and a high contrast ratio 10bit panel that will give you the wide colour gamut with no visible stepping of colours going from deep blacks to natural light brightness.
It's only really important for 4k and HDR material and sources. However even lower quality material including standard definition can be upscaled for resolution and feature improved dithering and colour.
Increased brightness makes a more realistic and impressive image which is really the point of 'high dynamic range'.
You don't need it though and sometimes the cutting edge sets have poor reliability. Lot of problems with the KS7000 model from Samsung, many people have issues with them. The less advanced stuff is often less stressful and just works to its lower standard of picture and sound quality.
The nit value (i.e brightness) is a different factor, and is what gives you the high dynamic range (hence HDR) of luminosity which in turn provides an image with greater depth and realism (but really only with HDR content, otherwise there's not much benefit). However, with many HDR sets having a nit value of just 300-500, well below the 1000 required standard for HDR, it renders the term virtually meaningless. How is this legal? Because again, nothing is standardised!
As far as TV's go, we are in the Wild West, so saddle up! :smiley:
P.'s. Is it the case that there is no point in having HDR of the TV does not have 1000 brightness nits.
Try AVforums i'm sure you'll get a wider range of answers.
panel (unless 10bits panel and 1000 nits absolutely improve the quality of no HDR contents as well). However, someone who will watch a lot of HDR content be movie or games will be willing to pay a lot of money for top end TV to get full HDR.