I'm going to click "expire" on this deal. The price has been inching up as stock levels fall.
Very fast printer, enormously heavy though.
It's the included toners that make this interesting to me. I'm tired of hurling cheap laser printers into the skip when the "starter toners" run out.
Quidco too.
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DonP
17 Dec 164#14
Since there aren't any real reviews of this printer I thought I'd I just write my first impressions..
Firstly, Printerland seemed very good. I've dealt with them before without any trouble. I got the standard call after web ordering enquiring if I absolutely positively didn't want some extras. They suggested the WiFi option (hard to push toner on a printer that comes with 8k toners). They didn't offer a mid-flight champagne or travel insurance.
Delivery was free next day - no problems on receipt. Bear in mind this printer is heavy (77.5 kg boxed) and arrives on a wooden pallet. I had to wait a day to install because it's a two man lift.
Under Windows 10 it installed without even trying - just appeared in the list even without clicking "add printer..". Like many printers today it was discovered by mDNS/DNS-SD. Only minor niggle is it assumed Paper Tray 1 had "Vinyl paper" in it. Quickly remedied.
Under Linux (Ubuntu 14.04), similarly a transparent install but I did have to click "Add Printer.." (oh, the humanity!). It presents as a Postscript printer. I'm still tweaking this as it seems to default to B/W and the default dithering setting is a tad off (the driver has "Printer Default" everywhere, so that may need a changing).
Usage - the printer runs Android so the UI is snappy and very easy to use. The web interface is also excellent and fully featured. There's even an option to VNC into the printer's control panel (the Android one, I mean), but I haven't tried it.
The printer is fast. Crazy fast. It can multiply a user's errors faster than any I've seen in a long time.
It's a little louder than home printers, but for a heavy duty office printer it's average, perhaps a little on the quiet side. Under heavy load however it may kick the fan into high gear and *may* get louder, although I haven't experienced this yet (just during power-on self-test).
Print quality - the jury is still out. Initial opinion is that it's like most colour lasers - for text it's excellent. Pin sharp. For photos, the colours are a little posterised, although I haven't attempted any calibration or optimisation. It's great on pamphlets and powerpoints.
This printer is generally a beast. It's heavy. So heavy, in fact, that it almost bends light around itself. Keep babies and small pets away lest they get caught in the gravity well. I fully expect an asteroid belt of paper clips orbiting the printer after a few weeks of regular use.
Overall, I'm pleased. The toners, although very high capacity, seem a little expensive as a single payment cost (£1533 for 22k/33k toner *pack*), but bear in mind CMYK come as separate toners, so unless you're constantly printing rainbows and My Little Ponies all the 8k CMY toners that came with the printer should last a very very long time, and the 8k K toner is only 170 GBP (inc), or 220GBP (inc) for the 22k K toner. 22k is 44 reams of paper, which is about three trees. This printer also has a built in duplexer (which works great).
Current best thinking - it was a good buy. Still tweaking photo settings, but generally no deal breakers and no complaints. It's a back breaker and may need a structurally sound table.
Gkains
13 Dec 164#3
Well, if politician weren't so in thrall to corporation there would be major tariff on throwaway electronics. About the only way that would have been likely in the UK would be via the European Parliament though so...
However, while cynical companies are well known for pushing the 'razor and blades business model', ultimately consumers are to blame because it really doesn't take much effort to find laser printers which have cheap running costs like the Brother range (I pay around £8 for toner for my HL-2030).
Oh, yes don't get me started on the PR nonsense which big companies try to market their 'green credentials'. The obvious one is Apple: they go on about how green their stuff is and while it is nice that they have eliminated some toxic metals etc. in their products, their products have very poor repairability and built-in obsolescences which totally negates most of that.
The waste hierarchy should be reduce, reuse, recycle
but the only one companies ever mention is recycling. Guess they are afraid of running out of resources to make their future junk. Plus, anything recycled can't be reused!
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dbizal
13 Dec 16#1
It's still cheaper to buy a new one than to replace the toners with this also lol.
I'm still on my starter toners on my OKI C511dn, but for me it will always be cheaper to buy a new one than to buy more toners... I really don't understand how that works but it does haha.
Paradroid to dbizal
13 Dec 16#2
The Razorblade business model, give away the main product for a reduced price knowing users will need to purchase consumables (at an inflated price) for the forseeable future in order to keep using the product.
this however isn't like that as the printer is either going EoL or will revert back to it's usual price of £700+ shortly.
I'm guessing it's going EoL as there aren't many available in the channel (I'm seeing 24) and the company are trying to get rid of them.
That being said it's still a cracking deal and I'll be getting one.
Gkains
13 Dec 164#3
Well, if politician weren't so in thrall to corporation there would be major tariff on throwaway electronics. About the only way that would have been likely in the UK would be via the European Parliament though so...
However, while cynical companies are well known for pushing the 'razor and blades business model', ultimately consumers are to blame because it really doesn't take much effort to find laser printers which have cheap running costs like the Brother range (I pay around £8 for toner for my HL-2030).
Oh, yes don't get me started on the PR nonsense which big companies try to market their 'green credentials'. The obvious one is Apple: they go on about how green their stuff is and while it is nice that they have eliminated some toxic metals etc. in their products, their products have very poor repairability and built-in obsolescences which totally negates most of that.
The waste hierarchy should be reduce, reuse, recycle
but the only one companies ever mention is recycling. Guess they are afraid of running out of resources to make their future junk. Plus, anything recycled can't be reused!
cjhilton49
13 Dec 16#4
62KG!!! who needs a workout when you move it.
CampGareth
13 Dec 16#5
There are cheaper office workhorse printers to run out there. I picked up a Brother HL-L8250CDN back in april for £120 then got £50 cashback making it supremely cheap, but the point is it's got toners that can be refilled. When they run out (which will be a while, black's 90% full) I can just buy a squeezy bottle of toner, unplug one end, fill, re-plug and then stick a pen in the right spot to reset the cartridge fill sensor.
For comparison I also picked up a black and white samsung laser (small desk-top model) for £40, but as soon as the toner's empty it's about another £40 to replace and bam it's more expensive than the Brother.
quidstretchy to CampGareth
13 Dec 16#6
With respect, you're comparing this machine to printers intended for much lower throughput. It's a different beast altogether.
badgerrules
13 Dec 16#7
lala123
13 Dec 16#8
I bought the same printer from printer land about 6 months ago for the same price.
Not a bad printer for the price.
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Very fast printer, enormously heavy though.
It's the included toners that make this interesting to me. I'm tired of hurling cheap laser printers into the skip when the "starter toners" run out.
Quidco too.
Top comments
Firstly, Printerland seemed very good. I've dealt with them before without any trouble. I got the standard call after web ordering enquiring if I absolutely positively didn't want some extras. They suggested the WiFi option (hard to push toner on a printer that comes with 8k toners). They didn't offer a mid-flight champagne or travel insurance.
Delivery was free next day - no problems on receipt. Bear in mind this printer is heavy (77.5 kg boxed) and arrives on a wooden pallet. I had to wait a day to install because it's a two man lift.
Under Windows 10 it installed without even trying - just appeared in the list even without clicking "add printer..". Like many printers today it was discovered by mDNS/DNS-SD. Only minor niggle is it assumed Paper Tray 1 had "Vinyl paper" in it. Quickly remedied.
Under Linux (Ubuntu 14.04), similarly a transparent install but I did have to click "Add Printer.." (oh, the humanity!). It presents as a Postscript printer. I'm still tweaking this as it seems to default to B/W and the default dithering setting is a tad off (the driver has "Printer Default" everywhere, so that may need a changing).
Usage - the printer runs Android so the UI is snappy and very easy to use. The web interface is also excellent and fully featured. There's even an option to VNC into the printer's control panel (the Android one, I mean), but I haven't tried it.
The printer is fast. Crazy fast. It can multiply a user's errors faster than any I've seen in a long time.
It's a little louder than home printers, but for a heavy duty office printer it's average, perhaps a little on the quiet side. Under heavy load however it may kick the fan into high gear and *may* get louder, although I haven't experienced this yet (just during power-on self-test).
Print quality - the jury is still out. Initial opinion is that it's like most colour lasers - for text it's excellent. Pin sharp. For photos, the colours are a little posterised, although I haven't attempted any calibration or optimisation. It's great on pamphlets and powerpoints.
This printer is generally a beast. It's heavy. So heavy, in fact, that it almost bends light around itself. Keep babies and small pets away lest they get caught in the gravity well. I fully expect an asteroid belt of paper clips orbiting the printer after a few weeks of regular use.
Overall, I'm pleased. The toners, although very high capacity, seem a little expensive as a single payment cost (£1533 for 22k/33k toner *pack*), but bear in mind CMYK come as separate toners, so unless you're constantly printing rainbows and My Little Ponies all the 8k CMY toners that came with the printer should last a very very long time, and the 8k K toner is only 170 GBP (inc), or 220GBP (inc) for the 22k K toner. 22k is 44 reams of paper, which is about three trees. This printer also has a built in duplexer (which works great).
Current best thinking - it was a good buy. Still tweaking photo settings, but generally no deal breakers and no complaints. It's a back breaker and may need a structurally sound table.
However, while cynical companies are well known for pushing the 'razor and blades business model', ultimately consumers are to blame because it really doesn't take much effort to find laser printers which have cheap running costs like the Brother range (I pay around £8 for toner for my HL-2030).
Oh, yes don't get me started on the PR nonsense which big companies try to market their 'green credentials'. The obvious one is Apple: they go on about how green their stuff is and while it is nice that they have eliminated some toxic metals etc. in their products, their products have very poor repairability and built-in obsolescences which totally negates most of that.
The waste hierarchy should be reduce, reuse, recycle
but the only one companies ever mention is recycling. Guess they are afraid of running out of resources to make their future junk. Plus, anything recycled can't be reused!
All comments (26)
I'm still on my starter toners on my OKI C511dn, but for me it will always be cheaper to buy a new one than to buy more toners... I really don't understand how that works but it does haha.
this however isn't like that as the printer is either going EoL or will revert back to it's usual price of £700+ shortly.
I'm guessing it's going EoL as there aren't many available in the channel (I'm seeing 24) and the company are trying to get rid of them.
That being said it's still a cracking deal and I'll be getting one.
However, while cynical companies are well known for pushing the 'razor and blades business model', ultimately consumers are to blame because it really doesn't take much effort to find laser printers which have cheap running costs like the Brother range (I pay around £8 for toner for my HL-2030).
Oh, yes don't get me started on the PR nonsense which big companies try to market their 'green credentials'. The obvious one is Apple: they go on about how green their stuff is and while it is nice that they have eliminated some toxic metals etc. in their products, their products have very poor repairability and built-in obsolescences which totally negates most of that.
The waste hierarchy should be reduce, reuse, recycle
but the only one companies ever mention is recycling. Guess they are afraid of running out of resources to make their future junk. Plus, anything recycled can't be reused!
For comparison I also picked up a black and white samsung laser (small desk-top model) for £40, but as soon as the toner's empty it's about another £40 to replace and bam it's more expensive than the Brother.
Not a bad printer for the price.
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Still running my Dell 1320c, 4 colour carts for a nudge over £20.