Phew... just saved me £449

I can assure you that, even as a woman, 2 inches makes very little difference.

Well I have checked the service manual, and sadly it only has one m.2 slot which is occupied by the Wifi/BT module, so it means you cannot simply add in an m.2 SSD. You will have to replace the installed 2.5" hard disk, bit of a disappointment, but given the saving on offer here not a deal breaker. Also adding a further 8GB DDR4 2400MHz RAM is only £41.17 from Crucial presently.

I've bought one, after doing the research, thanks OP.

I'm interested to know why people like touchscreen laptops. Surely having an oily finger smudged screen isn't ideal for viewing the screen.

You won't regret putting in a SSD :smiley:

I've decided to keep this laptop and after I've installed all available updates it became reasonably quick..I'm gonna install an ssd in it very soon though.

Purchased the adaptor and received on Saturday, hitting 217mb so very happy

Reminds me of those 'upgrade' Devices for the Thunderbolt Port of the Mac Books out there (on account of their limited Expansion Port capabilities on those things, etc, as opposed to that of Windows Laptop equivalent).

Cool Gadget though. :-)

I'm getting a vibe of no from their comment?.

They're awaiting the New Year's Sales, etc?, a bit like me too now .....

Had to return a faulty Laptop purchase for refund not so long ago, which annoyed me plenty! (but couldn't be helped I guess?, so what the hay ... ) :-)

Afraid not, it works well with one of these though.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00NPJP33M/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is the network adaptor not capable of gigabit??

​have you made up your mind?

Really easy, took about 20 mins

SSD installed and 1tb HDD in the DVD caddy, all working.

17 secs to boot into windows
11 secs to shut down

Thanks mate, SSD and DVD caddy should be here tomorrow

It should be fine :smiley:

Thinking about getting this SSD

would it be ok??

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B01LEIKINA/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482945370&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=integral+ssd&dpPl=1&dpID=418nGw1m2eL&ref=plSrch

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^^^ Posted a link just before you asked ^^^

That's brill mate, do you have a link to eBay or amazon for the optical drive caddy?? Or what size it needs to be please.

This is the caddy i bought, cost £3.05 but took a while to get here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272442281154?

Yes mate, 525GB SSD is booting, 1TB now in optical drive caddy for extra storage and the optical drive is stripped and in a drawer :smile:

So now you can boot from SSD and also see the 1tb hdd??

Sorted mine last night, well sort of. (need to sort the boot choice out as its giving me 2 windows options to boot from)
I opened it up and took out the 1TB hdd and put a 525 Crucial MX300 SSD in it's place.
I'd previously ordered the optical drive bay caddy thing thats posted in this thread somewhere so i put the 1TB drive into there and transferred the bits from the optical drive onto it (Plastic edging and rear screw bracket).
Put everything back together without problems.

I'd made a windows installation USB stick using the media creation tool and installed without problems and no windows key needed.

All in all excellent, super fast boot up and everything is instant. Although not that important i kinda wished i had waited and stuck an extra 8GB ram in whilst it was opened up. I never had one and i couldn't wait, lol.

Check what size it is. 9.5mm or 7mm

Anyone around??

This ok to use??

Integral V Series 120 GB SATA III Solid State Drive, 2.5 Inch £39.99

Any standard 2.5" SSD that is 9.5mm or less in height is fine. Just buy which ever capacity you require that is in your price budget, no need to be comparing Samsung vs. Crucial vs. Sandisk etc. they are all very fast and almost all drives will completely saturate the SATA III bus, some may have higher IOPS or better 4k random read/write performance but TBH you won't notice in normal day to day use of the machine.

Thank you.

Thanks for this.
Could you also send a link for a compatible SSD. If I have never done such a thing, what are my chances of screwing up?
Thanks

Here is LINK to the full service manual, just follow the steps for replacing the hard drive, pretty simple.

Then install your OS, or clone across the old drive to the new one. :smiley:

Nice! Could you go through the process of installing the SSD from start to finish please?

Im running it without SSD and its still pretty responsive.

Ive never installed a SSD before was wondering if you could help us out.

Thanks.

Well the laptop went down a massive hit, and the recipient is very pleased. It's silly fast with the SSD fitted, and even does reasonably well in with games thanks to the Radeon discrete graphics chip inside. All in a great deal, a second thumbs up to the OP, Merry Christmas. :smiley:

it was a misprice rather than a sale. They had accidently priced matched with a lower spec machine.

Yep!, Christmas Sales my foot!, lool.

3+ Weeks ago saw clear of better headway?. :-(

Oh well?, lol. :-)

Yeah shame. I want to buy another one at that sale price. It's priced £749.95 and only with 2-year guarantee now.

It's a wee shame that John Lewis didn't feel inclined to repeat 'offer price' this size of Christmas?, as they did for the measly Black Friday/Cyber Monday thing? (so much for good will to all men, huh?, hehehe).

Oh well?. :-)

Good question.
I'm looking to upgrade the memory and put a SSD in it. I haven't bought either yet as I'm hoping to get them bit cheaper in the sales (if any).
I take it theres no problem swapping the 1TB drive out for a SSD?

Anybody managed to get ssd working in optical drive bay yet?

Two did for me the other certainly did not. Maybe i was unlucky. Mine don't look quite like that photo either. Head is even thinner and I believe truly qualifies as a wafer head. They aren't that easy to buy replacements by the look of it as most look like they have a smaller diameter head.

Got you. It's the three M2x2 screws. They come out easily with some precision screwdrivers :smiley:

[img]M2x2[/img]

The low profile screws that hold the DVD drive bezel to the underside of the keyboard plate. You will see three of them if the laptop is upside down and the DVD drive removed.

Which screws are you guys referring too? I've only changed the optical bay for a HDD so not had the back off yet. All the screws are listed in the service manual.

From memory (don't have it with me today).
Press F2 as it is starting to boot to get into the Bios
Take off the secure boot feature so it will boot from legacy drives.
Put boot sequence as USB as 1st device to look at (probably not essential as it should cascade down them when it cant boot from the one above)
Use the Win 10 tool to create a bootable USB stick and installation source.
Follow instructions and all should be good. There will come a time when it will reboot and start installing again. At this point you need to go back to the bios and put USB down the list.
Remember this Dell will not boot from SD card unless it is in a USB adapter.

I found a set of jewelers type screwdrivers that I've had for a long time and one of those was a good fit. Despite that one gave trouble. These seem very unusual screws.and a poor solution as they have no meat to them. For the problem screw i had to get a notch in the edge of the screw flat and tap it loose with a small hammer. This caused minor scratching but obviously wont be visible once reassembled.

As far as I know the ram is soldered not the SSD. The SSD is proprietary and that's what makes it difficult to replace for now at least.

Any chance u can talk me thro how to access and what were the changes u had to do in bios for booting from usb.

Am doing the same with mine this weekend in repacing the hdd with the 525gb ssd and wanted to do a clean win 10 install.

Am not very familiar with changing bios settings and see this as my potential stumbling block. Any help appeeciated. Any other things i need to be aware of that might trip me up? Tia

I'm too having difficulties removing the 3 screws by the optical drive. What size/type of screw driver did you used? Thanks

I was a bit put off so will decide later in upcoming new year sale period :disappointed:

What did you purchase instead, or are you yet to decide?

Fair play.

You didn't mention earlier?, hehehe.

But I see what you now mean. :-)

​shell we say 10-12 % worse?
does it sound reasonable?

yeah slightly slower cpu but not by much... (4749 vs 5275) passmark

this one is up to 3.5 GHz with turbo boost

it looks like the processor is a bit weaker isn't it?

I would normally but the 10% off code is only if you have access to the Dell vip club or UNIDAYS code. It will get down voted for this reason. http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-17-5767-laptop/pd?oc=cn57605&model_id=inspiron-17-5767-laptop

That's a good spot you pulled out there?.

Post it up here yourself? (you're more likely get your World's worth of 'feedback' that way ..... ) :-)

Is this the (5767 model)? - I know it's new but I can't find any reviews or videos of this model....I missed this deal but tempted as Dell have something similar for around £495 with 10% off code.

I've got a replacement one so I've got another 30 days to decide. I'm likely to keep it. no rush as my old PC is still working.

Me and my wife saw it in person and played with it at JL@Oxford St. She did not like the screen quality (next to HP Envy, Lenovo and Dell 15 5000 2in1), keyboard bottomed out and built quality was a bit flimsy.
Finally with a heavy heart I asked her to return it :disappointed:

Me and my wife saw it in person and played with it at JL@Oxford St. She did not like the screen quality (next to HP Envy, Lenovo and Dell 15 5000 2in1), keyboard bottomed out and built quality was a bit flimsy.
Finally with a heavy heart I asked her to return it :disappointed:

Mine is still in its bag.

Yep I think it was a trainee or beginner that did the final part of the refund but I thought all was ok until I checked my bank statement! They do check the laptop first to make sure all is ok and complete which mine was, but it was the bit at the till which went wrong!

That's terrible!

Took mine in for refund yesterday and instead they accidentally charged my card as if I was buying another one instead of refunding it! So 2 payments out and no laptop! More hassle to sort out.

Micron DDR4 SODIMM 2400. That came via auction and seems to be exactly same as fitted by Dell.

Haven't had time to really do much with it yet. I thought it was ok with the hdd but then i didn't install the AV software.

Its the crucial m300 sata that was on here at the same sort of time as the lappy for £80 off Amazon.

What RAM did you use?

What brand SSD was it? Size? How is the performance of the machine? Thanks.

I've swapped out the 1Tb for a 540 SSD and upgraded the ram to 16Gb. Hardest thing was taking the screws out that hold the DVD drive surround and stop the back coming off. Otherwise it was fairly straightforward. Two of the DVD screws came out fine. They are very shallow small screws and the third rounded rather than coming out!
I installed a clean win 10 from a usb boot stick. The Bios required a few changes to boot from this as it is set to secure boot as standard.

​hello Sir..can I ask if you managed to swop the hard drives yes?

Yes, it wasn't for me.

have you decided to take it back?

Did everyone who tried to return it manage to without any problems?

Yes. I can choose between the two Windows instances at the moment. Probably disable the original at some point, if I can get the SSD to work.

When you refer to the HDD in the optical - can you boot to it?

Thanks for letting me know.

Yep failed sandy bridge laptop just out of warranty (20 months or so) and they certainly had a bad rep then. Maybe things have improved but I wont be going near them anytime soon.

what would go wrong with it? have you had any experiences?

I would make sure you get a good long warranty for any Acer.

How would you compare this to the Acer Aspire F15?
The acer has a SSD, an Nvidia 4G 950M graphics card, a backlit keyboard and possibly longer battery life
The Dell has a great processor (15-6200U on acer), a bigger screen which wasn't my priority at the beginning and the 3 year warranty.

I can get the acer for <£500

I have tried a SSD in the optical bay. It could be seen by windows okay, but when trying to install a fresh copy to it, the install had problems creating partitions. Might try again some time.

I do have a fresh install on a HDD in the optical drive bay currently.

Hehehe, I hear that. :-)

Very true - I sort of miss those days a little bit, but not when I found an old receipt for £230 for a 120Gb HDD! (VAT was 15% haha) :smiley:

Despite not being able to run 2 drives in my new Dell, I'm delighted with it overall - it's a nice powerful machine, on power saving mode it produces virtually no heat and the battery lasts over 5h for web browsing etc, but has the power available for more intensive stuff if needed.

17 inch screen is great (although still seems large after coming from a 15), and all for £300 less than it should be - for me there's nothing to be unhappy about...

I've ALWAYS wondered about that too?.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, it's NOT like the good old PC Tower/Mini Tower days, huh?, where via the old EIDE Platform, you could literally omit your 2 CD Drives from their CD Bays, and replace BOTH with Internal Hard Drives instead?, and/or change change the EIDE Ribbon that your main C: Drive came on to a a 2 Ribboned one, and end up with as much as 4 Internal Hard Drives floating about inside there instead, etc?.

And a similar 'principle' applied to the EIDE Laptop era too!, though obviously 'space' in a Laptop naturally proved wayyyyyyyyyyyy more lacking, than that of it's fully fledged PC bigger brother!, but still? (you were still able to swap out the EIDE CD Drives in the beginning, in favour of an extra HDD Drive instead?!.

But by the looks of it, despite everything nowadays being alllllll things SATA (upto 21 SATA Drives Daisy-Chained together for SATA1, if i'm not mistaken?), it appear's your rather only restricted to just the 1 Drive instead?.

Look's not it's not always necessarily true, when it's being said: "Newer is better", and the like?.

You receive with one hand, only for it to be fulled forth with the other ..... lol.

One guys selling his on ebay for 450 Cash on collection with offers. Will loose money after the final value fees is someone hits buy it now!

I think you are correct but that is not what its says under the JL returns policy. I suppose they may be able to reference the serial number against the sale in any case.

Nope - tried again but after constant I/O errors and Windows locking up/refusing to reboot, I gave up, put SSD in main HDD bay and DVD back in. HDD now in external caddy.

did you see any PWM or Screen flickering issues at different brightness levels?

Credit note would be for the price you paid for the item if it was on sale at the time you bought it. They are not going to give you another £300.

did you see any PWM or Screen flickering issues at different brightness levels?

:confused:

Wondering if they give you a credit note for current selling price if you say you haven't got the receipt any more? That's what it states on their website but cant believe it would apply to highish value electrical stuff?

will do if nobody wants it. that's why I need to know asap. rather let someone have it at a good price then just give it back

Why not return to store for full refund?

if anyone is in London I have one it hasn't been opened need to know asap. people on here who missed out have 1st refusals I think that's fair. am I even allowed to post this here

did you see any PWM or Screen flickering issues at different brightness levels?

Your McAfee comment reminds me a little bit of the Norton Anti-Virus Product Line (Anti-Virus, Internet Security, 360, etc, etc?).

That MANY several years back, used to also complain royally about! (and did so for some years too, if I recall well?).

Because removing your then preferred Norton protection from your System AFTER you'd then painlessly installed it, proved to be the total opposite when it now came down to the opposite .....

Then from out of the ashes rose McAfee, which appears to maybe wanting to replicate it also? (or something ..... )

It's interesting, lol.

I can help?, hahahahaha. ;-)

Hehehe, that's true, I hear you there. :-)

anybody managed to get a ssd to work in the optical drive slot yet ?

​your right..it's not as easy as we thought.
I only took my chances when I bought it..I always knew I might not keep it at the end..I don't mind keeping it if I manage to replace the hard drive and it performs well.

It's pretty easy to remove McAfee if you're sticking with the Dell configuration

Mines not even been opened yet lol.

Note to self:
I was killing myself over Cyber Monday TRYING FRANTICALLY to get my hands on one of these ones?! (CLEARLY to no avail!). :-(

And here we have wee small handful of people that not only (more importantly) GOT what their hearts desired!. :-)

But NOW not only do they not want it, but they pretty much borderline can't stand the ruddy thing altogether?. :-(

Lol.

Define irony?.

There it is ..... :-)

I didn't have problem with the screen quality...could it be worse than other laptops HD screen?...dell makes very good quality laptops imo

Did think about giving it a try, but thought it would be easier to return still sealed in the box.

Give it a try, you may like it how it is. For the spec the price is a bargain, I just didn't find it good to use.

Decided on taking back my unopened i7 to John Lewis tomorrow.
Not keen on deleting all the Dell installed software and installing just Windows 10 as to make it run as it should do. Also the screen quality does not seem the best.
I realise it was £300 cheaper than it should have been, but at the end of the day you still need to be happy with it.

That will teach me for been tight, I stuck my order through Flubit so I could squeeze a bit more discount then double up with the 11% extra discount through Quidco as well. Laptop arrived today and got a Dell with an I3 6100 u processor, unbelievable, I can categorically say that's my relationship with Flubit well and truly over.

Within MINUTES of Cyber Monday ending, this little baby SHOT UPPPPPPPPPPPP!, to a fat old £300+ ABOVE the original pre-Black Friday Weekend price?, WOW!!!. :-(

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, lol.

I did the full colour calibration. But I'm not happy with the results, so it's going back. Didn't realise how important the screen would be until I started using this. It has given me a taste of Windows 10 though, which I thought was good to use.

Its not the same panel as the Ultrasharps but you can try this for screen tearing issue...btw did you adjust the brightness or color calibrate it?
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/windows-10-screen-tearing/a520fe63-9a88-4994-be39-5d08930edab1?page=4

The colours seem very artificial. Dell's True Colour utility produces a ghastly gharish image, so that was quickly disabled. Even now, having adjusted the settings, I still find it difficult to look at, and there is screen tearing when you quickly move up and down a page.

Yep, my previous laptop is very old. That ibm page does fill the screen. I prefer using this website at 125-150% zoom.

Yes, as Dave pointed out, Hotukdeals is supposed to look like that, I presume you're used to seeing it on a non-hd monitor. Try going to http://www.ibm.com as a test and it should fill your screen

can I ask, what did you not like in the screen quality?

Yep it's probably that. Zooming with my fingers on the pad tends to drag the screen off to the right hand side of the page. This website fills the screen properly on 150% zoom, otherwise I get borders down the sides and the text is small.
Tbh I think I've decided to try and return it as 17" is a bit too big and I don't like the screen quality. Not had any issues with speed though once all updates were done and I'm sure it's a good buy for others.

Quite a lot of web pages are still layed out in a ;narrow' format for people on non widescreen monitors.
If you use your first two fingers in a V shape you can open and close them to zoom and also drag them around to centre the page.

Sorry, been trying but not sure how to do that. Saved a screen shot to my one drive but getting it onto here is proving difficult!
Edit:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AiYGTA5s-Cbsg0vFqpot_RcOD0JD

Can you post a screenshot? Ideally of this page at 100%

I have to zoom to 150% to get the web pages to fill the screen completely (using Microsoft Edge).

1920x1080

Hotukdj - what screen resolution are you running ?

Yep I've done that, but most web pages only seem to fill the middle third of the screen, with blank bars down the left and right. The writing is also small and difficult to read. I zoom to 125% which helps, but still not ideal. Perhaps this is down to the 17" screen?

toomushroom - it should not - but if Dell find their partitions missing - they are more likely to factory image your machine and over write your software / data - to ensure all the drivers they require as present - before they look for hardware problems

While laptop is booting start pressing F12 until you get a message top right. You can choose to boot from the USB device.

Just curious but would reinstalling windows effect the warranty?

Tolester - you may need to change the boot sequence - I have not opened my box yet - but that is likely.

Simon - you will need to create a boot usb or disk as mentioned above in the thread using a create tool.
As to the partitionss - you can remove them but a full format would do the same and not take too long.
Make sure you take an image of the whole disk first so that you can put the partitions back - if needed for warranty claims etc

Just took mine back and got the full refund no questions asked. I asked the guy if anyone else has brought these back, he said only one that he can remember and it was a problem with the keyboard. Think someone on here had a keyboard problem.
My dad is keeping his even though I advised not too. Given we are not PC savvy and want to do a fresh install of windows 10, can you do this from just following a few options or do you have to create a boot file on a disk or USB? Essentially i want to get rid of all the bloatware for him. Also, do I have to reformat the hard drive to get rid of the partitions Dell created or can you remove these without a full format?

Just another quick question. Once i put in my new blank ssd drive into the laptop in place of tge 1tb hdd do i need to change boot settings to install a fresh copy of windows 10 from a usb drive? Have never reinstalled from usb drive before so not sure how it works. Thx

Maximise the browser window? Using the button to the left of the X that closes the window?

Bit of a noob question, but is there an easy way to get the web page to properly fit the screen, because I keep messing about with the zoom and track pad moving it around as it never seems to properly fill the screen, it's either too small or off to the side! Thanks

​Wouldn't normally care if it was a year but this has a 3 years warranty which is a God send to have when dealing with i7 laptops, The base of this can get very hot and I think losing the warranty for the sake of a ssd is not worth the risk.

To hell with the warranty! It's £300 below the RRP. If you can't swallow that then take it back.

It's probably the partitions dell have made with all their back up images and what not. It's a pity the hard drive can't be replaced with a ssd easily without voiding the warranty. Sure someone will find out what is causing it too run slow soon but it's 100% something in the hidden partitions or one of their programs as it runs perfect on a stock windows 10 installation with out any of the dell alterations.

This is my opinion too. It was doing a massive load of updates for hours and then a windows update. McAfee was also scanning. Much better after all that finished.

I just use Windows security essentials and common sense these days.

I've still not opened mine. Too busy and will possibly tomorrow. There is no way this is slower than something from years ago. It's all new architecture. I'm guessing that, the HD is a problem, after all its 10x slower than an SSD. I'm wondering if the CPU is running at a lower speed, not the higher speed when it's required and the partitions and bloat were slows the laptop down. For sure anti virus does this, which is why I never, ever use it. It's just a ploy to scare you into buying. If you use common sense you won't be inflicted with viruses. Virus software in my experience just grinds any system to a halt.

I've been trying to install a fresh Win 10 but I'm getting some weird behaviour. Installing from an external USB drive made by the creation tool, but it takes ages to do everything and I mean it literally sits there for hours.

Finally got to the 'Copying Windows Files' screen and sat on 0%

​I put a fresh copy of windows 10 on it using a USB drive I made up using the windows media creation tool. Maybe a bit extreme to do this to a new laptop but I couldn't believe how sluggish the system was.

How do you delete all this?

​I did the same and it really does improve things. I'm not sure what dell were playing at making a laptop of this spec perform like something from 2008.

I used the media creation tool to make a USB drive installer. Used that to wipe all partitions on my SSD and installed. After a few automatic updates, windows is running really fast and haven't had to load any extra drivers.

I haven't tried out any games that might need the Radeon yet, so unsure if i need to get the specific drivers for that.

Tried again (see earlier threads) to get a HDD working in the optical drive bay. The 1Tb drive that comes with the laptop is rated at 1A, I tried a 500Gb drive rated at 550mA which didn't work either, so it's not a power issue. So I'm back with the DVD drive and have put the 1Tb in a USB3 caddy.

At least I can pick up the machine while it's on without worrying about damaging a spinning disk :smiley:

Yeah I used the tool and USB stick, no problems at all, browser opens instantly

Did u use the windows media creation tool to reistall windows 10 and if so was it by creating a USB drive -

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10?tduid=(8c6487a3be86bbaf3e6b9c60015a7ab6)(266696)(1503186)(83015X1536423X636f45b9a4662c5b45a18cc789faaf35)()

was interested if anyone tried using the refresh windows tool - might be an easier way of doing it.
http://www.windowscentral.com/how-use-refresh-tool-do-clean-install-windows-10

Take it no-one had any problem afterwards with anything not working?

I just went to the dell website and the drivers section, I let it find the model for me and then doenloaded and installed the available drivers

Due to the long bottom section the laptop, I find it hard to reach all the keys when using it on my lap!

Those that did a clean install of windows 10 did anyone have any problems with drivers etc.after the install. Am putting in a 500gb SSD and wouldnt mind a quick heads up on what I should be updating or installing afterwards.

Anyone got a list of what updates that should be carried out after a clean install. ie Intel, dell drivers, AMD Radeon, windows updates.. has been a while since I last did a fresh install and that was with windows 7. So just wanna double check what is needed.
Appreciate any help guys. TIA

Mine is still unwrapped and have until Friday to decide as going to a city with a John Lewis. It seems no better than my 5 year old Sony i7 laptop

Thank you!
Tbh not finding it great to use and am 50/50 about sending it back currently!

You can scroll with two fingers on the touch pad.

Also if anyone is bothered by pressing 'fn' to get the function keys, you can change that behavior in the bios.

One thing I've noticed (after finally installing the mammoth updates) is you can't use the right hand side of the track pad to scroll up and down the page. Is there a way to change this or do you have to use the arrows instead? Also I find the colours on the screen over saturated so will try to change that too.

Prefer to try and delete the bloatware first. See how that speeds things up

you dont want to put an ssd in it instead?

Can anybody list a complete list of all the programs I can uninstall.
Am always worried I may delete an important one

I've deleted all the partitions on the 1tb hdd, factory image, dell support etc and its running even quicker, really impressed.

ok..if everyones keeping it I'm keeping it too:-)​

Yes. You can get a 480 drive for 90 ish Drevo. I put a 525 crucial in and boots well and snappy.

Am I better of with a 480GB SSD as opposed to the 1TB HD which is currenttly installed?
Because I don't fancy paying more than £100.
Thanks

its kind of difficult to describe.
the right button was kind of deeper than the left one. you know you get that when you push that button thousands of times and they wear down a bit. it was a bit like that. the laptop was new of course.
im not sure if it was a huge issue but it looks like JL exchanges it straight away as it was within the 30 days. i have to say jl has a very good customer service.
i wouldnt have it that way even if i use an ordinary mouse all the time. I might sell it later you know. thats not the plan but who knows.

Out of interest, what was your keyboard issue?

im in the same boots mate.
JL is exchanging mine as i had a small problem with the built in keyboard. Im wondering if that was a sign not to buy it?:-)

For SSD amazon is your friend

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-SSDNow-UV400-Solid-StandAlone/dp/B01FJ4UL2S/ref=sr_1_16?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1480871631&sr=1-16

As I could still not decide what to do I have collected mine to keep my options open. Apparently I have 30 days to return is not happy.

Anybody has a link for a ssd?
Thanks in advance

I didn't need to extract or find license key - Windows 10 activation keys are stored in the cloud, so as soon as you install and go online, it activates. I believe it's based on your motherboard so is tied to the machine.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. There is info on how to get the license key further up the page. People who have done this said the machine flies afterwards.

I did a reinstall to try and get past the black screen issue but it still has the dell stuff on. I take it you mean format the hard drive ridding it of the partitions etc and doing a complete fresh install? My problem with that is you shouldnt really have to do that with a brand new machine for it to perform. I have never done it with any of my previous laptops or desktops. Have you done this? Where do I get the Windows 10 license key?

I switched it on Thurs eve and did all set up etc. Once on the desktop had a click around changed some of the privacy settings etc then turned it off. Yesterday turned it on to have a play around tried reading a couple of car websites very slow at opening the browser initially and when loading pages etc. Had the laptop on for about 2 hours. So total time it has been on is about 3 hours.
Tried to turn it on last night and got the black screen issue. Was excited to snare this bargain but aside from now not working the slowness issue that I and a few others have encountered was frustrating.

I am puzzled by this. How long did you actually use it? Out the box, this machine is doing a lot of updates even then that just made the disk busy and use some internet bandwidth. I never had problems opening browser windows.

Did you put a fresh install of Windows 10 on it or just use it as it came with all the Dell software?

Got.mind Thursday. First impressions? Slowwwww. Like painfully slow. Over 30 seconds to open a browser window. My 7 year old Samsung laptop performs quicker. Weird. Tried to have a go of it last night and got the black screen white cursor issue that is common with Windows 10. Spoke to JL just now getting full refund. Awful laptop.

Thanks Dave.
Though I can see I can buy a desktop now for similar money and a bit faster - to cover future proof for PSu and motherboard would likely push the budget closer to £700.

Apparently I still have today to make my mind up and I am wavering again - due to the mainly positive feedback.

Looking at that DVD bay issue - I would suspect a chip limitation rather than a connection issue. Not that I would swop out the optical - I still find those useful.

Don't know why that is.
On the mesh computers website if you look under desktops-> business pc-> Mesh Elite Business @ £429
That is just an example of desktop processor that is ranked higher

​It probably can but it's miles better to do a complete fresh install, this way you can delete all the hard drive partitions that contain the dell back up image and have a clean system with none of the dell software and you'll notice it running a hell of alot better.

Thanks for that - some stuff to investigate I guess. At least it's not an IDE connection :wink:

Interesting thread on Tom's Hardware, seems to identify some potential issues

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/299715-32-hard-drive-laptop-optical-underperforming

Hmmm that's an intriguing one then... anyone reading this with technical knowledge as to why a drive in a caddy will produce I/O errors in the DVD bay?

I thought it might be something to do with conflicting drives both trying to boot, but have used diskpart to completely clean the second drive, so there should be no conflict. It won't even create a partition and format it while in the 2nd bay.

The caddy worked with a 500Gb drive in my old laptop's DVD bay - once I shift some data around, going to try the 500gb and caddy in the Dell DVD bay.

I too removed the DVD and installed a SSD but could not install windows 10. A clean install of Windows 10 would just hang (at 0%) at the start of the install when copying the files. I thought too that it was the caddy at fault.

It's fast with SSD. Boot time with a crucial 525gb ssd is about 16 secs. One slot free for an extra (2400) ddr4 8gb ram stick also to make 16gb for only £45 from crucial

I am happy with mine. I didn't encounter any particularly slow performance during the time that I used it (about 4 days now). Yes it is a little bit slow on boot up, but I am convinced that the SSD will overcome this. I can't comment on how this laptop copes with more intensive tasks as I have only used it for the internet browsing so far. To sum up there are many more things in this laptop that I like than I the things I don't.

I think I would be having second thoughts if I purchased it for the full price, however at this price I am more than happy with what I have. It ticks all of the boxes as I am planning to undertake some AutoCAD/Revit/SketchUp work in the future, so I will definitely benefit from its large screen (combined with the external monitor), its power and a dedicated GPU. I might even stick another 8GB RAM at some point for faster image rendering purposes. I actually spent a long time thinking whether I should just buy a desktop, however I also wanted some portability and therefore I didn't hesitate when this deal came up.

I already have an SSD waiting to be installed in it, however I will hold on for a couple of weeks just to ensure that this laptop doesn't have any apparent defects which may need attention by Dell/JL. Once I am convinced everything is fine I will probably remove the optical drive and stick SSD in its place as some have already suggested above.

My previous old Dell Inspiron worked like a dream and is still going strong, so I think I will put my trust in this one as well.

From what I can see this laptop is most definately a bargain on price compared others of the same spec. Not suprising as it was a misprice,

The cpu in this is one of the newer Intel 'Kaby Lake' processors. The 'U' suffix denotes this lower power variant. This article gives an overview Intel Kaby Lake

You will see a lot of laptops for sale currently with these 7th Gen processors. The U isn't as powerful as non U or HQ variants but does use significantly less power.

If you want a laptop that is kind on the battery with a big 17" screen and decent performance this is not a bad buy and don't forget that 3 year warranty. If you want the most powerful i7 and are mostly using it plugged in at home, then you might be better off looking for an older gen machine.

Like most things on HUKD if you're not sure just leave it. There will always be a 'better' bargain down the line! :smirk:

Been having some interesting issues with mine... but not enough to want to send it back :smiley:

I removed the DVD drive and put in my SSD in a drive bay caddy where the DVD was. It accessed it ok, but I was unable to install Windows10 to the SSD - it just sat there for ages before giving an I/O error.

Long story short, I dismantled (not difficult, but take your time and be careful) and put the SSD into the primary drive bay inside - Note, you do not have to remove the battery to do this, or to add RAM, so it's easier than I expected.

Windows 10 install was a breeze and it now flies along - Boot up from cold in about 6 seconds (and that's with my Samsung 840 500Gb which is a couple of years old now). It's slowing a little bit the more I install, AV, firewall, programs etc but is seeming to be very quick. I tried putting the 1tb drive into my drive bay caddy, but it has I/O errors accessing it - I don't have another one to test, although it didn't seem to like my old laptop either, so perhaps the caddy isn't great (£7 off eBay).

I think I'll just run the SSD, put the DVD back in for now and get an external USB3 caddy for the HDD.

Can confirm the laptop has 2xUSB3 and 1xUSB2 ports.

Overall, pretty pleased, especially with the price, so I'm keeping.

Will be interested to read if anyone knows if you can put in a backlit keyboard - that would be great!

Keeping mine, got the £50 back yesterday, so only cost £400, I've put a clean version of windows 10 on it and runs like a dream, no more 100% disk at startup

I think I am not even going to collect mine.
Too much hassle just to get this running to its potential and crucially the weakness of the warranty. I think I might hold out for a desktop deal with a fast CPU, good power supply and easy access to add a GPU and SSD. I might buy a preowned think pad for those rare occasions I need portability later on.

So it sounds like most people are going to send it back due to slow performance and concerns over the warranty. Is anyone happy with it and keeping it?

Just got a response from John Lewis to my follow up on warranty - not sure if it really helps but here it is anyway:
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Thank you for your email regarding upgrading your newly purchased Dell laptop. I attach for your information the manual for your particular model which gives full instructions for installing a solid state drive - page 26 and following - and adding extra RAM - page 30 and following.

You will note that Page 11 gives the following advice:

CAUTION: You should only perform troubleshooting and repairs as authorized or directed by the Dell technical assistance team. Damage due to servicing that is not authorized by Dell is not covered by your warranty.

See the safety instructions that shipped with the product or at
http://www.dell.com/regulatory_compliance.

This document is freely available at Dell's website and gives clear instructions to change hardware to the owner's preferred configuration. However, should there be any damage to the machine during this upgrade, the warranty will be voided. An example would be if during the alteration the technician or tools used are not grounded and a static charge affects the motherboard - this would not be covered by the warranty. It would be safer to get a qualified technician to do the work.

I would recommend discussing with Dell directly on 0800 028 2660 as they will be able to discuss the suitability of the SSD and RAM that you are looking to fit to the laptop.

If you have any further questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact us on 0330 123 0106, or alternatively e-mail [email protected] quoting the above reference number. Our opening hours are 8am to 9pm Monday to Friday, 8am to 8pm Saturday and 10am to 6pm Sunday.

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I did try and contact Dell via the website a few days ago. On Dell Chat I was told that if I opened the case the warranty would probably be invalidated but referred me to the same number. When you ring it - they are not set up to deal with products bought through third parties - I eventually ended up being disconnected - hence the email - that Dell have not replied to.

i agree 100%

Thanks Andreasuk.
I am currently using an Aldi Median MD8800 dual core Pentium that I have updated the Ram and GPU and swopped in a SSD last year. Was the top spec then but must be 10 years old by now.
It is fine for most things but struggles with video editing. Partly due to the 32 Windows ram restrictions. The motheboard will not run 64 version. I would probably stick with it but it has occasionally started to crash randomly - i am thinking imminent m/board failure.

I Bought a Dell i7 7000 series two years ago with 16gb ram, dedicated graphics for £600 from Dell outlet - it was brand new all metal - wonderful screen - but the 5400 rpm HD made it run like a dog and the space bar was faulty.. In the end I returned it because the screen would flicker if you had any power saving running.

This is the best offer (on paper) I have seen since then for a 17" laptop BUT a new i7 should fly not stutter.

i have tried mine and it looks like its a bit slower than my 5 years on inspiron (although 8gb memory and ssd in it).
i dont know if its a software or a hardware issue. It looks like it responds slowly. obviously id need more time to test it.
its has got a slight problem with the keyboard so i will ask for a replacement even if i keep it.
i like the screen and i dont have any problem with the design. im probably used to it by now.

Not in a straightforward way. They want you to sign up to it after the trial.

Link not working Dave

Don't buy this if you don't actually want a laptop. Here's the a desktop I found without really trying.
Mesh PC

Don't get confused by the CPUs names (actually do because they are a minefield) mobile processors are completly different to desktop ones. Even with the same platform i7's can be slower than i3's !! Always look up the cpu benchmark for a comaprision.

So for the above : i3-6100 benchmarks @ 5413 whereas i7-7500U is @ 5285

Can't McAfee be uninstalled?

It did occur to me that I might be better spending the money on a desktop instead. Cannot seem to find a tower of similar spec and price that would be able to upgrade more easily anywhere

Remember 'factory resetting' means restoring the fresh Dell image, which includes the bloatware and particular McAfee etc

On the subject of the 100% disk use. That does drop off after a while. BUT its more important what the performance the laptop actually 'feels' like in use. If the processes that are using the disk are lower priority they will back off when other stuff needs to use the disk.

Hoping SSD caddy for DVD bay turns up today and if that fits I'll have a crack at an SSD install.

By the way - it has been 3 days since I asked for clarification on the warranty from John Lewis and Dell via email and I have had no response - despite a follow up yesterday

That is bizarre. An new i7 with 8gb of ram should not do that - SSD or no SSD

yes you are right.
ill try it today.

I factory reset it, ran the updates and my machine still runs at 100% memory for prolonged periods. Probably will return to store today, so will see how willing they are to take a used machine back.

Why not just try it how it is? If you're careful and keep it in mint condition they will still accept it back as a return. JL are good like that.

if I had a fresh ssd lying around I would've tried it by now but the 1 I have is in the laptop I'm using now..it's a lot of work if I don't have any clue bout outcome

haven't mate...still in the box
as I said I'm hoping someone who's put the ssd in would tell me what he thinks.
if I hear good feedbacks I'm keeping it
your thoughts?

What are your personal views? I know you collected yours - have you tried it out yet?

your putting us under lots of pressure.
im still in doubt:-).. the ssd should​ make it a fast machine but my theory hasn't been proved.
(on the contrary people have been complaining how slow it is)
I'm actually waiting for someone to confirm this.
I personally don't think we are losing or gaining too much by keeping. it's probably a break even situation.

OK have to make a decision today.
For those who bought one - what is the verdict?

Anyone have any luck sourcing a back lit kboard for this laptop?

Cool feedbacks. :-)


That's true too. :-)

Yep, it will be activated automatically so you don't 'need' the key, but it's handy to have written down if you want to offline activate.

I would recommend downloading the Windows Media Creation Tool from here:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO

Use this to create a bootable windows 10 on USB stick (min 3GB)

Install Windows 10 on new SDD/HDD (no need to worry about license key since Windows 10 would have already been activated based on your motherboard).

THISsoftware will extract the product key for you.

@daveburgess - How do you extract the license key?

Yes, you should be able to. You may need to extract your license key first. I have done fresh installs on previous Dell machines before. I might try it this weekend, as I have a spare SSD I could use.

Does anybody know if it is possible to download windows 10 from microsoft and do a clean install using the Dell license key ? If I go ahead I think this is what I might do. Save the image of the hard drive first. Clean install windows. Run on mechanical drive for a while and if happy swop the image onto an SSD.

Wondered how long it would be before these started appearing on eBay!!

Mine arrived yesterday, still unsure to keep it or not, still sealed in it's box. I have a Sony 17" i7 laptop which has a excellent screen, but at 5 years old is starting to show it's age.
Not keen on how slow the Dell seems to be running, especially with it's specification!

Can anyone advise which of the memory modules I need from Crucial.
Do I need single ranked or dual ranked? Does it make any difference?

I must admit I was rather uninspired by the design when I first saw this laptop as well. I had an old Inspiron 15 for about 5 years which had a metal body. This is trying to do the same, except they just made the plastic look like metal which doesn't feel as premium when you get your hands on it.

In terms of the screen quality I had the same reaction as you. My previous HP Envy laptop had a FHD TN panel which was completely dreadful and the reason I sold it. This Dell, however, has a very decent screen considering it's also a TN panel. The image quality is not as sensitive to the viewing angles and the colours don't look as washed out as it was the case with the screen on the HP.

Overall I am pleased with this laptop so far. There are few things I wish were different, such as the positioning of the speakers and a non-backlit keyboard. And, of course, SSD which I am hoping to stick in this very soon!

​you are right it doesn't win any design award but I have had an older latitude I've been using for 5 years and it's still going strong..last time it was accidentally dropped on the floor from a table and it worked as before..even if I bought it 5 years ago it's still fast for everyday tasks (I've put ssd and extra ram in it)

Finally decided to pick mine up.

First impressions pretty good. Bit of a beast, but with the 17.3" screen can't be avoided.
I can confirm after running through the setup (using advanced to turn off as much 'crap' as I can) it does spend a looong time 100%-ing the disk with updates to windows, then Office 365 trial stuff and drivers etc. Hopefully at some point it will finish doing this! :stuck_out_tongue:

Would obviously benefit from a fresh install. McAfee is preinstalled for a start.
For me the hdmi and ethernet port are at the back left side with the power.

​dear Kevin...I phoned up jl and they said you can open the box and even try it and if you decide it's not suitable for you you can return it.. obviously it has to be in a resellable condition.
some people might've known this already but I wasn't sure.
this is what I'm gonna do as I've picked it up anyway

I have not picked up mine yet. Still undecided.
Went to JL to see one this morning (5 mins from me :smiley:).
It does not win any awards for design being a big lump of fingerprint magnet plastic.
I did not like the fact that all the ports are on the sides with none at the back. Particularly annoyed that ethernet and hdmi are on the side near the front - which is stupid.

Having said that the screen is a lot better than I expected - not IPS class but very good for a TN. I played a photo slideshow and the images were pretty sharp. The trackpad is also pretty good - for a Dell.

What I can say was that it was a lot better than the Lenovo 310 which has about the worst trackpad buttons I have ever come across. Talk about sticking. Tried three models all the same.

My daughter has an old thinkpad t430 and apart from the screen (14 " TN 1600/900) which is average - it knocks the spots off both of them in terms of quality build and design - decisions

If anyone has an attitude it's you! Who said there was a problem? I was trying to be helpful as he may not have known it is on display in store. Always useful to see things in the flesh if you are unsure of buying.

I'm going to take a photo of it when I get home this evening and will upload for you. It's been in its box since I bought it and I'll be able to have a proper go in over. Will see about 4k, not entirely Sure. Will do what I can!

Sorry can't share a pic as mines note wrapped up for Christmas, I can tell you the HDMI out supports 4k at 60Hz though.

It's pretty much a large black rectangle, very boring, keyboard felt ok, not over spongey. :stuck_out_tongue:

You have the right attitude for sure.
He can ask a question. Whatts the problem with that?
We help out each other as not everyone has all the knowledge and skills.
(For me the nearest JL is 1 hr drive. 2hrs return)

They are on display in John Lewis so you could go and see it yourself.

Will hdmi out support 4k display and can anyone share a real pic of it, open top/front view?

I don't know if it supports 4K but will have a look. I've just ordered this to replace the DVD and use an SSD. I'll aim to boot from that and possibly use it for use the HD as backup or replace that too.

SSD Caddy

Will hdmi out support 4k display and can anyone share a real pic of it, open top/front view?

If it's slow it's down to software. The laptop is high specced, with the exception of it not having an SSD. If it's lagging or grinding to a halt its down to the software. I'll be sticking a fresh copy of windows 10 on it also. None of this Dell nonsense, no antivirus nonsense that scans every so often. I'll use the built in windows option and use my common sense with download and sites I visit.

Yes mate, think I will put my own windows 10 on

Is anyone else finding it slower than expected? Too much bloatware?

That's the one I was going buy. Probably get from Amazon for a little more but quicker delivery.

Mines finally on the way to the parcelshop for collection, spoke to John Lewis and having discussions with a manager they gave me 15% off the £449, very very happy indeed.

I REALLY HOPE that come Christmas/Boxing Day/New Year, and/or thereabouts, the OP's Laptop comes back to the above stated £449, etc?, if NOT cheaper? (and what have you's ..... ) :-(

Hehehe.

It's a beautiful System. :-)

Curry's. They were offering the i3 for £449.

Curry's Dell 17 i3

does anyone know who they were price matching with originally>?

​do u think this would fit?
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-3-0-SATA-to-SATA-Caddy-2nd-9-5mm-Hard-Drive-HDD-HD-SSD-Adapter-Bay-/272442281154?hash=item3f6ed34cc2%3Ag%3ACbAAAOSw4GVYIO2n&_trkparms=pageci%253Af01a3c12-b74b-11e6-8d90-005056b688cb%257Cparentrq%253Ab757fa071580a6a8f3e18438ffe53047%257Ciid%253A7

​thanks for that!

For those that have got one. What is the screen looking like viewing angle wise etc?

I've just removed the optical drive to check it's size, so as to order the right size caddy. Can confirm that's it 9.5mm.

Well still waiting to collect mine, should be tomorrow morning now, John Lewis have given me £50 back for the trouble.

Hmm on researching seems this is a common windows problem. So on the plus side it's very likely software based. On minus side it has several totally different causes, I'm trying to discover which one is the culprit here.

Most of those I looked at say you can clip on the original dvd rom flap

Tbh I'm not sure the last time I used the cup holder.

Well if you don't reformat the hdd you'd still have that if you temporarily slide the dvd drive back in. Or you can get a usb external drive (bought one years ago when I had a netbook, used it twice I think) or just an external caddy for the one you take out.

I'm still having issues. I've done all the updates available now. The task manger still shows the disk usage at 100% for the first 5 minutes of turning it on, when there doesn't appear to be anything running. I've deleted dropbox and mcaffe in case they were the culprits, the only program i've installed is Chrome!

I swapped over the HDD to the SSD yesterday, reinstalled the OS, put it back on the box and then wrapped it up. :smiley:

Maybe you could let us know why you would do it that way.
Are you hiding some information?:-)
i will look at the video ty.

The optical drive in mine/gift will be swapped out after Christmas, ironically I'll be putting the 1TB disk back in that was supplied with the laptop. I don't foresee any issues really, other than the drive bay convertors sometimes do not match the exterior plastic colour/finish.

As said previously take a look at the link I posted to the service manual near the start of this thread/deal, explains how to strip the entire machine down. :smiley:

​ive been thinking about this and yes you'd lose the DVD drive...for me it's not a big deal as I haven't used it for at least 2 years in my existing laptop and I have an external DVD drive I bought long time ago (I can't even remember when I used it last time).
I actually find this option very appealing as my ssd is reasonably small but in this case I'd get away with it as I'd have a 1tb secondary storage place as well.
if anyone replaces the optical drive please leave a comment!

To remove the optical drive - you remove one screw from the base and use a plastic pry tool to push it out.
Look at the beginning of the thread for the service manual that explains it with pictures.
Do not know about the interface but likely to be as you suggest. Problem with this solution is you lose use of the dvd drive - even optionally - as the replacement SSD would hold the O/S.

This is back in stock..................for a mere £719.95! :smiley:

​i suppose we could ask dell in the worst case scenario..they would be able to tell us wouldn't they?
or obviously we would know if we took it out.
i gotta say I've changed the HDD before but not the optical drive but it should be reasonably easy shouldn't it?

I haven't collected my laptop yet. Can anyone confirm if the optical drive is connect to a SATA IIII interface on the motherboard? If so and assuming the optical drive is accessible without removing the whole back cover then I would say that the safest option would to replace this with a SSD if you are concerned about the warranty?

well mine has just been delivered by dpd

Picking mine up today after being selected for "extra security". O don't know what I do wrong with John Lewis but last time I purchased something they cancelled the order until I queried why!

So to the question. I want to get rid of all the bloatware that comes with the Dell. The obvious option is simply to delete it but I understand that this is only a partial answer.

If I want to install a fresh copy of windows what happens to all the drive partitions that the computer arrives with?
What happens with the drivers?
Can I safely remove any program/app with "Dell" as part of it's name?

A little help please from the experts.

PS I am not sure about the manual but this is a new model so any manual more than a few weeks old will be for the old model.

Thanks but sadly Dell has no pics for this model

Yes, but look after it. Unless you bought it in store in which case, no.

Have you updated everything? Wouldn't be surprised if windows was downloading a big update in the background or maybe even Dells own update thing.

It's the third one on your 5767 link their order code is cn57607

http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-17-5767-laptop/pd?oc=cn57607&l=en&s=dhs

TN

and is the LCD of TN or IPS type?

I guess its this one...http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-17-5767-laptop/pd?oc=cn57607&model_id=inspiron-17-5767-laptop

thanks but can't find this exact model anywhere, can you help me with a link please?
I was only able to find this...http://laptopsuggest.com/reviews/dell-i5767-6370gry-laptop-review
Is it black or silver color and is the keyboard chiclet type like the pic in the link?

I'd be surprised...that's not how it normally works:-)

Would I still be able to return the laptop back to JL even if I tried it out, as long as it's within 14 days period?

The model is i5767-8062BLK and has no backlit keyboard

Can anyone please tell which of these series is this laptop from, as the processor is i7-7500u and does it have backlit keyboard as they do in USA for this series?
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-17-5767-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC
or
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7560-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC

​shouldnt be slow with those specs..an ssd and a fresh install of windows would speed it by 15-20% imo

Stick an SSD in and problem solved!

Can you turn indexing off? I'm sure it's possible.

Yeah I notice after 5 minutes or so the performance does improve, but its really frustrating to use when you expect it to be instant. I'll have a look on startup if something is taking disk usage.

I also noticed a big lag when using a browser. I tracked it down to a service that was running that was causing 100% disk usage (can't remember the name of it at the moment). Eventually it quietened down and then it was fine. I guess it was doing some sort of initial indexing or something like that.

Depends how much rubbish you like on your computer I suppose :stuck_out_tongue:

I've done a fresh install of the OS along with all of the latest drivers from Intel/AMD, and loaded up the Office 2016 and a couple of small useful apps. Other than that it's up to the person using it :smiley:

I managed to buy one of these. Collected it yesterday, and I think I'm going to have to take it back. Its really slow to boot up, and even simple tasks such as opening chrome takes 20 seconds or so (Webpages take long time to load also) Where as on my 2 year old vaio with an i5 its instant.
Has anyone else noticed it being really slow, or is mine is faulty?

Is there no other software on the original HDD worth keeping?

7mm, but most drives are these days, and looking at the space you could easily get a 9.5mm in with no issue.

As for the RAM yes, in mine there was one 8GB SO- DIMM with one slot empty. :smiley:

where did you find that for£39.99?...are you saying that theres any empty slot in there and another slot contains 8GB memory?

Thanks for sharing that - I guess it's the good news. Would you mind confirming if the HDD was 2.5" thick? I ordered a new SSD without double-checking that. Thanks in advance!

You can get 8GB for £39.99... No need to buy 16.

can anyone tell if its worth putting extra RAM in it?
you can buy 16GB around £100
i like dreaming big:-)

There are no warranty seals over any of the screw heads, or seals along the base/side. Pulled off the bottom using just finger nails, no problems just be gentle and the clips pop straight out.

New SSD installed, Windows 10 will be cloned or installed depending how much time I have later. It's going back in the box after that, since it's a gift! :smiley:

I had that issue, I rang them Monday morning to ask why I had not received a dispatch email, was told order was on hold because it was my first order and a high value, answered a few questions and order went through, however, I was expecting delivery today to a store and been on the phone all day to them, laptop dispatched but they don't know where it is lol, they have now sent me a replacement which will be delivered to my home address tomorrow before 10:30am and I also mentioned that I will be ringing back after taking delivery for a goodwill gesture, they advised me I had grounds for one, I'm asking for a voucher or 10% off the order.

The aresholes cancelled my order some rubbish about security checks!

Found this from it's baby brother, layout in and out looks very similar from the diagrams in the manual, though with more cabling in the way.

I like the way he keeps the screws tidily in the pattern they were in. I expect I'd knock them all over at some point though. Didn't like that he leaves battery attached as he fits the ram, seems unwise.

The internal view of the dvd bay does make it seem that the caddy would work readily. Just not sure on which height.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spldop-OLtY


From the comments "As I say in the video, disassembling the laptop may well void your warranty. Certainly any issues caused by the replacement HDD/SSD or memory upgrades wouldn't be covered.
There are no warranty seals that I could see during the process however, so if you're careful it should be possible to make (and if necessary reverse) the changes without obvious signs of tampering."

That looks like a really smart idea. Would work a treat.

Warranty or no warranty. There'll be an SSD going into mine. I'm fully aware of the pitfalls but I want the best from my system. I've upgraded my mac book so many times and it's still going, 8 years old. I know this isn't a mac but, I'll take my chances. It's a steal. I'll keep the drive should it need to go back in at any time. I've got an SSD at home ready so when I'm home Thursday I'll report back to you all Friday with my findings. I've saved £300 so it's worth a punt.

You only want to add an ssd is that right?

If so something like this might do, I think it would mean only having to undo the DVD tray and lose the dvd drive. I'm not sure on height.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Generic-Replacement-Universal-9-5mm-Drive/dp/B00CE4KMN0
https://www.amazon.co.uk/DRIVE-12-7mm-Universal-DVD-ROM-Adapter/dp/B00IKYPUS0

I'm assuming the bios would allow booting from that and no reason to think it wouldn't.

im still in 2 minds about this.
i will pick it up and keep it unopened until i entirely make up my mind about it. i knew this could happen before i bought it so its not a problem.
it is risky to change the harddrive although im not saying that you can never get away with it in case you have to send it back under warranty.
if theres no certainty for the 3 years warranty the bargain is not such a good bargain any more.
provided theres no temper seal on it right?:-) in that case its an absulute no-no for me.

I love the phrasing in the reply. Guess John Lewis outsource their customer support. Medication indeed.

Can't see that Dell have much to do with the 3 year John Lewis warranty either.

My thoughts exactly - tho think we are all awaiting the first person to open theirs up and inform everyone here as to the fate of seeing the dreaded tamper seal lol :smiley:

I imagine if you have any future issues with it just put the original hard drive back in before you send it in for repair. I take there is no tamper/safety seal underneath? If not they would be none the wiser.

I have written back to John Lewis asking for a more considered response - including asking them about the conditions of the extra two years warranty they provide and in the meantime have emailed Dell asking the same question.
Will update - but it might be days. I can afford to wait - no urgency to pick it up.

Thanks for your work on this.

does anyone know if the warranty only applies to the card holder who purchased, or if you sell on in a year, you can sell with 2 years warranty ?

Hmm... Well, I guess this is the case for all laptops as part of the warranty with John Lewis?

That said, it's not difficult to replace the HD and if there was ever any issue I'll just replace it. With Dell direct you can replace the hard drive and memory but the replacements are not covered by the warranty if anything should happen. The rest of the product is.

Laptop Mag warranty guide

I have got a reply from John Lewis on the warranty issue and it is not good news. Note that the technical dept. referred me to Lenovo rather than Dell.
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I am writing to you regarding your Dell laptop. I understand your concerns with invalidating the warranty. I appreciate trying to ascertain an answer is difficult for warranty purposes, so please let me provide further assistance.

I must advise that usually any sort of medication will need to be done by an authorised servicer, as usually once the item has become unscrewed and the housing taken apart the warranty would become void. My advise would be to contact Lenovo directly as they hold the warranty on this particular and either getting the following: Authorisation to upgrade this yourself or contact details of an authorised servicer who can complete the work for you.

I am sorry I can not categorically say yes or no to you, however I do not want to set an incorrect expectation on any matter. I strongly suggest contacting Lenovo directly 0333 777 3991.

Kind regards,

Travis Hudson
John Lewis Technical Support
0330 123 0106

Opening hours:
8am to 9pm Monday to Friday.
8am to 8pm Saturday.
10am to 6pm Sunday.

Hi

Yesterday afternoon I ordered a laptop from you (Dell Inspiron 17 5000 Series, Intel Core i7, 8GB RAM, 1TB, 17.3" Full HD, Black).
This comes with a 3 year warranty.

I have a question about this.

I would like to upgrade the hard drive to an SSD that I already own and possibly purchase some additional ram.
To do this (I have checked the procedure via the Dell manual), I would have to first remove the optical drive, base cover and battery to gain access.

While I am competent and have experience of similar upgrades in the past, if I was to do this, would my warranty still stand or would it be invalidated.
There appears to be some confusion over this

Let us know of any things you've discovered. What's access to the back like? Was the installation easy? What are your initial thoughts?

The first thing I've done is put a fresh copy of windows 10 on it, couldn't believe how much dellware was installed on it not to mention the amount of hard drive partitions I come across when formatting the hard-drive.

And?

Wow, mine just arrived! :stuck_out_tongue:

I'm jealous of you guys...

So its definitely worth it for £450 then? (I was hovering over checkout button but never had the guts)

Ah, well it's a shame. seems kind of odd that a £700 odd laptop can't be expanded easily. :confused:

Got it. Well guess the closest I could find was the i5 5567 the one purchased is an i7 5567.

I5 5567

Also a YouTube video here details the i7 5567 same spec as purchased. Not in English but gives clear view of underside to give an idea what it looks like.

i7-5567 video

Looks pretty much identical to the one I saw on the shop floor. Not opened mine yet so can't double check but thought it would help.

Looks like taking the base cover off.

Cheers

This was linked earlier http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/inspiron-17-5767-laptop_Service%20Manual_en-us.pdf

Think that's different one as I believe the battery is internal.

There is another manual on the thread

Just found a link to 17 5000 manual. Not 100% sure it's the version bought but make your own mind up.

Seems ram and HD are accessible pretty easily.

See page 23.

Dell 17 5000 Manual

Looks like it should be, based on these images, relatively easy to swap out for an SSD. Obviously you woukd have to be cautious with the screws so as not to scuff them to keep warranty, assuming no void stickers. So possible!

Poop. Ta.

I collected mine from JL after debating whether to due to the lid having to be open in order to have an external screen running. Decided there must be a way to keep it closed and picked it up.

I've not opened the package yet however I did get the assistant to slice open the bag to confirm it was an i7 - it was. I did look at the model on the shop floor but forgot to check for HD access. I'll be opening mine Thursday eve when I'm home but sure others will check beforehand as they get theirs.

This was certainly a misprice given the assistant telling me it was the i5 that was reduced. This misprice was honoured - it was back on sale for £749 right in front of me with a lady debating purchasing it (had stock) and a HP that was part of the black label event.

I will be sticking an SSD in it when I get the opportunity. But in no hurry.

The screen was great, no complaints as this is a massive upgrade from the screen I've been using - a Samsung tv/lcd combo.

No hatches, sorry.

That's what it said on the price label in front of it and the demo onscreen, I didn't read the label on the underneath.

I really want to believe you :laughing: Was it definately the i3 version of the 5000 series?

Look we get it, you don't like this deal. There's cheaper ways to clear warehouse space for such a retailer.
They have four in stock, most likely some had buyers remorse and cancelled.

The service manual on here earlier in the thread makes it seem that you have to take it all apart to get at the hdd and memory. Still hoping it's more like the i3 version I checked in PC world today and has hatches for access to these rather than needing the whole base off.

Has anyone replaced their HDD with SSD yet? Was it easy enough procedure?

​thanks for the info!

I'm thinking this is probably because by default Windows usually has 'closing the lid' as suspend or hibernate. If you turn that off should run find with lid shut.

You have to open the Dell laptops for sure...at least the ones i used before

Don't see why you have to have it open for use with an external monitor. Used plenty of laptops with the lid shut.

Still, in two minds about this machine. It's sat in my local Waitrose waiting for me to pick up. :stuck_out_tongue:

Could someone who's got theirs check and see if there are any warranty 'stickers' of any sort on the bottom?

No as I'm sure it will void the 3yrs guarantee although no one has confirmed this.

Not that simple. No matter how careful you are - it is likely that opening the case will leave tell tale signs. There are around 20 screws to be removed of various sizes and then the base needs to be prized off. Having said that I think it is unsupportable to say that the warranty is void just because you opened the case and swopped out a hard drive or added memory. I know that Lenovo allow you to upgrade their thinkpad range for example.

Great, i should get mine tomorrow. You going to change HD to SSD?

Surely u just replace the original hard drive back in again and they will never know?

Sent JL an email about warranty this morning. Awaiting reply. Will post when I have it.

Yeah, I paid a visit to my local JL and asked about the warranty. The assistant insisted that replacing any internal components of the laptop would void the warranty. This is disappointing as I was really hoping I could chuck a SSD in it and have a powerful machine for a little amount of money!

Doubt it, mines out for delivery, already got the DPD text for tomorrow! :smiley:

he is one of those party poopers for sure

thanks for sharing your thoughts...i dont think you can ever use any laptop without being open (at least slightly)
not good news on the ssd..lets face it if you dont change the harddrive to an ssd the laptop wont be as powerful as most of us would like

You might end up getting everyone's orders cancelled if you carry on like that! Don't give the game away.

im still a bit doubtful about it as my decision is leaning towards buying a different laptop that makes playing some of the games possible (such as that Acer laptop or a bit better one at some point)....decisions,decisions

Just dropped in to my local JL. Looked at the laptop, looks great, 3 USB, 1 HDMI and card reader. Spoke to the chap and asked about changing the HD. He said it would void the warranty if you did it yourself. I asked if there were any discounts and he said no, it's £749. I mentioned I'd purchased it for £449 and he didn't believe me so I showed him. He said they had a lower specced Dell that was price matched in store for £449. Said it was definitely a misprint, he was totally shocked! Showed him HUKD and he double check the spec. My only niggle is to use a monitor I'll have to use the laptop with the screen open. I had intended to use it shut, open means I'm not so hot on it as it will use up too much space... Still yet to collect.

Just received mine and I'm very happy with it. My main concern had the been the quality of the screen, and I have to say it's perfect for my needs.

Any questions, let me know

Good deal on a 525gb ssd to change the hard drive in this

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/crucial-mx300-525-gb-sata-2-5-inch-internal-ssd-80-49-amazon-2560974

​Handy to know, thank you.

​Thank you

Just got an email JL delivering tomorrow instead of Dec 2nd.

Dear Kevin...please keep us informed

Waiting for a reply from JL on the warranty

Has anyone found out about the removal of HDD and the warranty yet?

Yes - paid next day delivery incase it was a glitch.

Only looked at it when delivered will inspect more tomorrow. John Lewis advertising as USB ports
2x USB 2.0, 1x USB 3.0.

Anyone got their laptop yet?

Yeah its the number of usb 3.0 ports I wanted to check - thx

I would imagine as per the above. 2 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 2.0 = 3 USB in total.

I'm off to check mine out later.

I think he wants to know how many are USB 3.0 and USB 2.0

Mine arrived today it has 3 x usb. Thanks OP.

Can anyone who has picked this up confirm the specs on this - did notice that Dell has this down as 2x usb 3.0 and 1x usb2.0 whilst john lewis have this as only 1x usb 3.0?
Would like to know if the details JL are stating are all correct thanks in advance

​Sometimes orders are cancelled but in this case it looks like they're taking the hit and honoring it. I could be wrong but if so what online retailer were they matching?

the 6th and 7th gen ix processors are DDR4

Got a message that mine is ready to pick up - but need to check warranty regarding SSD upgrade before I do that

I'm not sure you know. If it's a pricing error don't they usually send out emails cancelling the order? Taking a £300 hit seems a bit steep to me. I'm going in to JL later to pick mine up... But going to have a play around with one first before I do.

​Forgot to mention you need to show your Internet browser with the £449 price. So don't refresh your browser today otherwise the price will go up to £720.

Managed to get one from my local JL store. They price matched their Web site which I had the website up on my mobile phone to show them. Very pleased with that ! There is still 1 in stock in Liverpool in case this helps someone.

It's was 100% price error, it had price match wrote on the page meaning they made a mistake and took the higher model down in price to match PC world's/currys lower spec model found here http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-17-5000-17-3-laptop-black-10146382-pdt.html

How easy would it be to transfer Windows and any other useful software this comes with onto an SSD to replace the slow hard disc?

Same year, guarantee email sent and delivery dat of 2 Dec.

Thanks OP

Thanks for posting OP. Currently using a 6yo 17inch Inspiron. Have upgraded the HDD and RAM, but at this age it is on borrowed time. Had started looking for a replacement, and very pleased that this deal came up. Order shows as processing, to be delivered by 2 December, so hopefully will go through.

ETA: email from JL - they are delivering tomorrow!

They probably had a certain amount they wanted to get rid of simply to clear up warehouse space.

Once that amount sold out they all magically came back in stock, but for full price, because they no longer need anymore space saving.

Many 'sales' are just stores thinking strategically about space.

Hmm... Wonder if that implies it was a pricing error.

Back up to the correct price then.

Showing as £719.95 now

Totally get that, and you have to consider your options carefully. With an SSD this will be a beast. I'll certainly be doing just that, but will need clarity on the warranty etc. May chat with Dell and ask them if they can upgrade it and what the cost is and, if I do it myself foes it void the warranty etc.

Ive got an SSD in my slow setup and going from. A HD to SSD was like going from a Cessna 152 to Concorde.

Gonna go to store and tell them I don't want it anymore

I will never buy anything again from ebuyer. Terrible customer service if you receive a faulty item as I did with a laser printer a month ago.

Best deal on 17" laptop right now is the HP ProBook G3 from eBuyer. Admittedly it's £300 more than this but a much better choice than this Inspiron if you can afford it.

Also available from here for £400
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0188ZOE6O/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

£400 for delivery though :laughing:

A hard drive is a changeable component, likely not manufactured by Dell. Just like ram or a battery. If the part was soldered to the motherboard you would have a point. Neverleless I will check before I collect mine.

The warranty usually relates to that specific hardware.

I.e. they have faith in that hard drive, in the way they've made it.

If you dismantle the entire thing you're then changing the manufacturing process they had faith in. You're changing the hardware they had faith in.

I'm pretty sure it would void the warranty. Whether they'd ever know, if you sent it back with the original HD, is anyones guess though.

There's not even been much in way of Black Friday deals at this price for smaller machines.
Closest I've seen is a Lenovo for £430 with same ram, hdd, 15.6 fhd, i5 and an 940mx with a shorter battery life. The £20 for processor upgrade, screen size and battery seems well worth it to me, less impressed with the weight (which is fairly inevitable I guess) and that given the size and weight it seems tricky to upgrade when I'd have expected it to be easy.

I'm not saying it's certain, but given it's not a trivial operation I would not be at all surprised if it invalidated the guarantee They're open for phone enquiries.
Telephone
03456 049 049
7am - midnight, 7 days
a week

To replace the hard drive you have to remove optical drive base cover and battery. This is the same as adding memory. If you are correct then you are saying that the machine is not upgradeable without invalidating the warranty. I am not convinced this is true.

You took it out of context from their discussion. The ssd is in a different machine.

Because you have to pretty much dismantle it.

Yeah, it would be interesting to know if swapping the HDD with SSD would actually void the warranty.

This is a very good deal for an i7 the dedicated graphics 17 laptop with 3 year warranty and 8 GB ram. All those comparisons to 13" or 15" machines are like comparing apples with pears. A 17" machine is really a desktop replacement that you can optionally take with you. The others are portables that can be used on a desk. Not the same.
Would have liked an IPS screen but that was never going to happen for the money

Why would replacing the hard drive for an additional invalidate the warranty?

have I read that wrong

As someone suggested previously, could you not put the HDD that came originally with the laptop back in if you needed to send it off for waranty purposes?

​it says 1Tb..not ssd

​i agree with your comments on this laptop..although my main problem is losing the warranty if you put ssd in it.
I've learnt from this thread that firstly I have to decide what specs I want. can't just buy any laptop anymore :smiley:
I will come back to read your thoughts on this one tomorrow

What time did you put your oder in?

Just checked the status of mine through the JL app. Says despatched with a green circle next to it.

I thought someone said it comes with a ssd installed

​Just checked mine and it's saying dispatched. If it was in-stock when you ordered I'm sure a quick phone call to them and they will try and sort it out.

Just checked my order and the status is 'cancelled', anyone else had this?

While it may not be the fastest, for the money this is going to replace my desktop. I play games such as Unreal Tournament that are ten years old online multi player, its more than capable. I'll give flight Sim a pop too, use it for all my photo editing and videos and editing them. An alternative package all in one. It'll be pumping out to an external monitor so won't use the built in screen.

I get what people are saying regarding spend a little more but you can wait and spend more with any laptop. There is always something better. For the price and the warranty, JL is second to none, this is a fantastic deal. Currys have a similarly specced i3 for the same amount.

This isn't ideal if you're after something portable, because it's heavy. It's not for dropping in your notebook bag etc. It will however last you a good few years or longer depending on your usage. I generally build myself a computer every three years and as I said previously was looking to buy an i5 to overclock. This is a real upgrade for me and very happy the op found and posted the deal. With all the rather flat black Friday deals this has come just at the right time! Thank you OP.

Before I collect it, I will be trying it out beforehand in the showroom at JL. I've seen it previously but the luxury of ordering online is in an try and if it's not for me, not collect. I'll let you know my thoughts tomorrow.

​my problem is once you put the ssd in it you will lose the warranty. and this is the first thing you have to do once you start using it.
I agree this is a (more than) acceptable price but only if you want a quick good laptop for general use. And for this very reason I'm planning to return it :smiley:

thanks

There's a difference, but not a huge one.

4500

# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Processor Base Frequency 1.80 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3.00 GHz
Cache 4 MB SmartCache

7500

-Performance
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Processor Base Frequency 2.70 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3.50 GHz
Cache 4 MB SmartCache


Basically, yours is 3 years old (7500 = 7th gen. 4500 = 4th gen.)

Your CPU also uses more energy.

On top of that your CPU supports DDR3 not DDR4, so your RAM is slightly slower.

The newer CPU has better in-built graphics too.

Is there a difference? Yeah, of course, it's 3 years old. Is it noticeable? Not particularly, only a 10% difference in raw speed and a slight decline in battery life.

I can't knock a good Dell Outlet deal, or Tesco clearance etc., but sometimes you can be waiting weeks for one to come around, my last three purchases all have been refurbished or second user.

I consider screen area to be a great deal of importance since its non-user upgradable without buying a new machine, if you consider a 13" model you have 72.21 square inches of display, vs. this Dell which has 127.89 (127 PPI still too), that's almost double the screen area.
So if you have it on a desk, at arms length, or a laptop table those 13" units start to look a bit small, especially at Full HD, meaning you have to adjust the DPI, making it less roomy for content. 15" on the other hand, OK that's maybe an acceptable compromise.

I'd still say that looking at the positives here is been than canning it just because it's not perfect, things in life rarely are.

17.3" Full HD (albeit TN) display.
Very capable i7 7500 CPU - latest gen to boot.
Half decent discrete graphics for the odd Minecraft game or even CS:GO etc.
Easy to upgrade RAM and HDD.
DVD-RW so you can access all the old stuff knocking around.
3 year well supported warranty.

on the bad side...
Big, heavy, probably very average battery life.
No extra HDD bay for second disk, or spare m.2 slot.
Useless dell bloatware that has to be removed upon OOBE completion.

is there a big difference in a i7 4500u and this i7 7500u I have the 4500u in a Dell xps 12 ultrabook with the flip screen.i have had a look online but can't find a definitive answer. thanks

If you're dead set on a 17" and nothing else, it's great.

If you don't mind a 13-15" then it starts to look not so good.

I'm a huge fan of warehouse deals, although I know they're not for everyone. I ended up getting my mum a Lonova Yoga 700 for £200. IPS, touch screen, 8GB ram, 1080p, SSD. The only downside is the lack of warranty and an 11" screen.

So when people are suggesting this laptop for a childs homework or light home use, I can't say I'm in love with the prospect. Nor is it entirely suitable for playing games. It falls into a no-mans-land scenario.

Everyone falls into somewhere different on the cost-quality ratio. The 700, can't compete with this in terms of raw power, no, but it meets the needs required for a great price. And this is where I think many on here go astray; buying items they don't understand for uses it isn't suitable for.

While you may not find this deal appealing, it is a decent proposition for some one looking for a larger laptop/desktop replacement with a good amount of desktop real estate. To say this isn't worth the price is being a bit over the top in my opinion.

Consider that when you are shopping with this sort of budget in mind you will always find some form of compromise, be it lacking an SSD or having less RAM than you may want. The important things to get right are the parts that cannot be replaced, and I am certain that many people will be more than happy with a TN panel even if it isn't perfect.

I've not seen anything in the 17" range with these specs, and a 3 year warranty for a long time at this price, and from a great retailer.

Perfect no, more than acceptable 100% yes. :smiley:

EDIT: Bad spelling.

thanks guys!
your answers are very much appreciated!

Hi
see post #208
thanks

Don't buy a 9XX series GPU for a laptop. It's old technology and a waste of money.

If you want to play new games at good graphics save up for a 1060M laptop. You can sometimes see them for £1000-1100 if you're lucky.

A 1060m will massively out perform the one you've picked. Just save your pennies and wait for a deal.

What do you think about this machine?
http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=W9T91EA&opt=ABU&sel=NTB
thatd set me back by £750
i want to play games on it and dont necessarily want to waste my money on this dell

I can assure you that, even as a woman, 2 inches makes very little difference.

I don't think it's worth the price, full stop.

The only benefits here is a big screen, with a crappy panel anyway meaning the colours and contrasts and brightness will be awful, along with an i7 which is around 10-20% quicker than an i5.

Other than those 2 points it's average at everything else.

Perfect for home use and amazing price for a machine with 256GB SSD and 1TB spinning drive etc etc etc
Well spotted OP.

its for home use but i wouldnt buy anything less than 15"
I need a quicker machine and id like to play some games on it (the games they normally post on this site) but im not a gamer as i have a ps4

256GB SSD (os installed)
1TB HHD (secondary)

More than enough

The SSD and Graphics card make the Acer a (significantly imo) better machine if both are within your budget.

Surely the 1TB is not SSD it must be spinning for this price.

the SSD alone will make a huge difference in speed, im really surprised most laptops dont come with one now as they are pretty cheap.
Mines arriving tomorrow :smiley:

Depends what you are using it for. If you are at Uni and the lappy is going into a rucksack every day 17" is OTT

I personally think 13" is perfect for everyday use, with a 10 hour battery life.

But we are all different.

What plans do you have for it?

3D Mark scored the 950M at 4410, and the AMD 445 at only 2790, so the nvidia option is 50% faster and has a much better 128 bit memory bus, vs 64 of the AMD.

are u saying if I don't need the big screen I should take it back as it's not worth the price?

Got a guarantee product email from JL.

hmmmmmmmm.........i wonder if they have oversold by any chance, if anybody gets some sort of cancellation email please post here so we know if they are honoring the deal or not. Either way though i think JL will be ok with this kinda stuff

I am curious how these compare, especially in regards to noticeable speed and graphics:-

Dell Inspiron 5767 (17.3", i7-7500U, 8GB DDR4, 1TB HDDAMD Radeon R7 M445 4GB DDR3)
and the
Acer Aspire F15 (15.6", i5-7200U, 8GB DDR4, 1TB HDD+256GB SSD, GTX950M 4GB GDDR5)

*I am aware that the Dell is currently out of stock.

Keeps going in and out of stock. Anyone still wanting one keep your eyes peeled :stuck_out_tongue:

Maybe to knowledgeable people, but not the unsuspecting general public ie most folk.

It's a beaten horse.

It was meant as a joke sorry you missed it.

The chipset supports dual channel, so assuming Dell have configured it this way, then yes you'll see a performance increase. How noticeable it is day to day is another matter.

Blah blah blah.

Never said that could be done, have no interest in the matter. Just saying this isn't an easy upgrade.

This dell vs this HP (https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-EliteBook-14-inch-Notebook-Professional/dp/B00FYUCHCU)

From my understanding the dell does everything better? (as it has better cpu and better dedicated GPU).

Would you replace your HP (if you had one) with this dell and why?

Finally, how much do you think I could sell the used HP without the SSD (i'm guessing the buyer would need their own OS too because of this).

Struggling to make my mind on whether to buy or not.

showing oos again

I challange you to upgrade the 2016 MacBook Pro with touch bar SSD.

ONE IN STOCK BE QUICK

Key word was "usually".

This is a deal. Hence it's not the "usual" case. It's an unusual case.

The usual price of this is £700+

Can you usually get the same specs, but a smaller screen for £500-600? Sure you can. There's plenty of i7's for around that price. Pretty sure Argos at one point recently was selling an I7 for £300-400

Well it's not as easy as in older laptops where you just open the hard drive flap and swap it, but it's doable.

OOS

Good to hear you can upgrade the hard drive not like the RIP OFF MacBook Pro 2016 that has SOLDERED SSD.

Disgrace apple should be ashamed its called "Pro" for a reason- no longer a Professional computer apple - RIP OFF merchants.

I wasn't specifically referring to this unit. Rather my preference for improved build over cheaping out on home/consumer models.

Do these use dual channel and therefore improve performance with a second Sodimm?

And I mean that's clearly nonsense as there's nothing around £250 with smaller screen and similar specs.

Why expired? Still showing in stock

There is still stock availability, and this can be bought in store so why expire it?

I believe he was pointing out that if the screen is a £200 premium then this 17" £450 Dell would be comparable to the £250 15" machines with similar spec (which he was sarcastically highlighting have not been easily found on HUKD)

The manual explains the HD removal process therefore normal. I've ordered.

Anyone one know if the laptop Ram is DDR3 or DDR4?

What on earth are you talking about?

I meant the 17" screen alone will usually add £100-200 to the cost of the rest of the machine.

certainly not American but thanks for the warm welcome nevertheless :-)

Is the HARD DRIVE soldered to the Logic Board like the new 2016 MacBook Pro with touch bar SSD? ie if your Logic Board goes - so does your perfect SSD and you cant upgrade the SSD as many folk like to (future proof).
And if your rMBP is out of warrantee you have-

• Logic board + SSD = over £1000

therefore have to bin rMBP rather than have it repaired.
Or if this a normal non rip off computer.

#ApplerMBP2016DISGRACE

£200 premium. Oh yeah all those £250 15" i7, 8gb ram, 1080p with 4gb dedicated graphics card laptops have cluttered up hukd for months. :confused:

​this is business spec

Added to my basket but won't let me proceed says sold out online

I agree that Acer is a better machine and if your budget stretches to it i'd recommend that.
Having said that if you are looking for a 1080p screen and discrete graphics card i've not spotted any under £500 so I've bought the Dell and am happy it's a good deal. Easy enough to swap the HDD to SDD at a later date.

Hi would love an opinion on whether the following is a good deal:
Dell inspiron 2 in 1 5000
I7 7500u
512GB SSD
Full HD display
12GB DDR4 ram
No dedicated graphics

£747 in total direct from dell with discount applied to that price

oos

dang, this is surely a mistake! great price and just purchased. Thanks OP!!!!

This kinda of deal is pretty much incomparable to alot of the other laptop deals out there as there are very many rare factors for this particular deal. e.g. 17" screen is not the most common size and having a 7th gen (released only a few months ago) i7 for £449 is absolutely incredible, the processor itself retails for 359 USD itself on intels website. Yes it is dual core but it has hyperthreading and turbo boost (equivalent to having 4 cores) which in this case saves alot more energy and also doesn't run Hot when its sat on your lap, or run out of batter after watching a few tv episodes.

If your complaining about the RAM, SSD etc then those items you can easily upgrade yourself and to be honest if your worried about warranty issues then if you know how to install extra ram or swap over the SSD then SURELY you know how to swap it back IF it does need something carried out under warranty.

This is basically a future-proof laptop for possibly the next 3 years (at least) for a typical home user, if your talking about someone who uses it for gaming, media editing etc then your already talking about a different kind of machine which probably start from around £1250 retail (HP Envy, Dell XPS etc)

GUARANTEED specwise you cannot currently get a better laptop out there for this price unless it is a used or refurbed laptop which will probably not have any remaining warranty.

Out of stock! You snooze, you lose! :stuck_out_tongue:

All gone. Saved my money... until tomorrow

3 left!

I always buy business spec models for the improved reliability so I spend less over the long term.

8 left :wink:

any good desktop packages? i5 or i7?

been looking for a good laptop and great price and for standard laptop use nothing like gaming or design then this laptop is a must for the price.

Then pay the £100-200 premium. But for myself personally, that makes a laptop massively over priced for what you're getting, when there's free work arounds.

Ordered.

Sick of trawling through laptop specs worried that my daughter will not be able to play sims 4, minecraft etc properly.

The 3yr warranty has to be worth £50...

In a year or 2 probably replace HD with SSD 512GB for not much money, if required.

Bet I could sell it on for this money, if something better turned up anyway...

Anyone have a link for a 256GB SSD that would work with this?

Blimey even the ram upgrade looks mite involved.

Exactly this.

Buying a huge screen is always expensive and barely ever worth it, unless you're playing games.

I've been using 17" laptops for many years now. Why would I want to have to bump up the OS dpi, no need.

Quite a big price difference though

This dell is a steal at this price, remember you pay a premium for 17.3 for whatever reason, bit like when buying apple products.

i ordered this:
http://www.ebuyer.com/757793-acer-aspire-f-15-laptop-nx-gd6ek-009

256GB SSD primary + 1TB secondary
plus a pretty decent GPU which will play most games at medium at least

I think picking a huge 17 inch screen is a terrible idea.

Focus on the resolution or the panel. Don't worry about the screen size. You can always change the Operating System so it makes everything look bigger if you're struggling to see.

You're paying a premium for the huge screen, when all you need to do is wear your glasses, zoom in or change the OS settings.

Apple are a joke anyways. Anyone who wants to be suckered into buying anything from them is welcome to it.

Yeah probably true- .

Dell has a 4gb external graphics card too and a little bit cheaper. Hard to say- this will be slightly slower to boot, but likely slightly better with intensive graphics applications.

That said I have a hp and would never buy again- overall poor quality and seemed slower than my older laptop with a old amd. Thing that really put me off was that after updating to windows 10 would never power off properly- you have to shut down then Hold power button to kill power. Well known fault with all the same models but HP never provided a patch/ fix or any support- awful really. I won't buy a hp again after this one

So 'Salford Girl' what alternative would you recommend for this sort of money?

Mac laptop for £450? :laughing:

So, are we alllllll being taken for chump's then?, or ..... :-(

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

So any actual comparable 17" laptop deals you'd put forth?

Can anyone please tell me if this laptop has VGA? Interested in hooking up my touchscreen monitor which apparently requires USB, HDMI and VGA connections. Thanks.

To be honest it looked well built just the screen lets it down. The dell guy said its because of a demo so they have set settings on there.. but it was the same on the 15 inch version

Out of this Dell and this HP which one would you guys recommend?

http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=Z5D46EA&opt=ABU&mastersku=Z5D46EA&masteropt=ABU&sel=NTB&

Is this deal better than ebuyer's HP 250 G5?
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-250-g5-laptop-i7-8gb-ram-256gb-m2-ssd-15-6-led-anti-glare-screen-469-00-delivered-2551783?page=2#post29312531

HPs will be full of bloatware

Tempted....... to replace a HP one I bought earlier this year which is rubbish quality! Thanks

Not even full HD!

Still a TN screen and still looks like a plastic body. Still a HDD. The screen resolution is even worse (700p vs 1080p). This is all around an inferior machine to the "deal" we're chatting on right now. Don't buy this.

thanks salfordgirl . so is this too hight spec for a 12 year old? anyone recommend a weel priced laptop for homework and a few games?

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-15-ay168sa-15-6-laptop-with-latest-7th-gen-intel-core-i7-processor-silver-10151313-pdt.html

This one??

Almost no laptops use quad core anymore. They all use dual to save battery life and make the laptops cooler. Not many applications make use of the extra cores.

Only gaming laptops have quad core at this point really, and they have awful battery life.

As for adding extra screens, I'm not entirely sure, you'll have to use google for that. I know when I add an extra screen to my computer performance isn't affected at all really. Whether that runs true for a laptop, I have no clue.

This is a Dell...

In currys the 4 laptops next to this all bad better screens.

I spoke to the dell dude in currys who was gobsmacked by the price and was like that's a steal. But still a ips screen is 100x better

Likewise. This is the best black friday weekend deal on a laptop that i have seen sofar. And its from John lewis with the added warranty and with the added customer service. Nice spot

Thanks for the answer, I need a work machine with fast CPU (preferably quad core). I am guessing this cannot power dual external screens as well? Tempting price but this is not good enough for my needs.

No SSD? No IPS panel? Only 6 hours (Which is usually exaggerated) battery life? 3kg heavy? Body looks entirely plastic?

Meh. It's an okay deal, but nothing to be blown away by.

People see "i7" and get over-excited, thinking it's an incredible deal. You're likely to never notice the difference between an i7 and an i5 on a laptop, the difference in raw power is about 10-20%. If you're just internet browsing, youtube, office work you're never going to see the difference.

Always try pick a SSD over a HD if possible.

Yeah I've had a look through comparable deals- can get the equivalent i7 for 400-500 but all old gen i7. This is the only one with gen 7. That said some did have an SSD- so that may counter.

Don't forget / underestimate the value of the 3 year warranty too though!

I bought my G7 with 8gb ram over 4years ago...seems redundant. SSD is a must really.

Will changing the hard drive with a SSD void the warranty?

:laughing::stuck_out_tongue:

other than being i7 is this lots better than this Lenovo http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-510-15-6-laptop-black-10146352-pdt.html

thanks OP. Great deal, ordered one.

Would've been all over this a year ago. Got my heart set on an underpowered zenbook now. Underpowered compared to this anyway

my 12 year old son needs a laptop to do schoolwork at home and also play a few games on like minecraft.. is this good for the above or is it too much? also if not can anyone recommend any good laptops or spec i should look for

Bought! Had just bought/received the i5 Levono 510 for 429 at currys but think i'll be returning it and keeping this :smiley:

This is true, yup. Will launch faster, open apps faster etc.

But it still won't be comparable. The screen alone is years behind a Macbook.

If you change HD to SSD it will be quicker than the MacBook

Is the CPU better than 13'' MacBook Pro 2015?

Some good info here on the processor vs older generation and what apple use https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cnet.com/uk/google-amp/news/intel-kaby-lake-7th-gen-core-processors-faq-update/

Thanks sms12. My lad can run his Elgato hd60 on this, 1tb hard drive is ideal too. I've been looking all weekend and not sure I'll beat this price before Christmas.

Ordered. Going to replace the hard drive with an SSD. If space becomes an issue then I'll swap out the CD drive to reinstall the original hard drive.

Many thanks just bought one more than 10 in stock

Or no fingers. Which was pretty much my original point.
I'd be amazed if your phone screen isn't covered in finger smudges.

Any comments on the screen quality in this laptop? I might pop into JL tomorrow to check it out myself tomorrow if it's in stock. I owned a HP Envy laptop previously with FHD screen and TN panel. It was indeed of poor quality and I decided to sell it at the end. That's why I am so interested in the screen quality of this Dell!

How does this compare to Lenovo I wonder other than the graphics card- ordered but will research and see if I pick up and go through with it

Looks like newer / better CPU

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6500U-vs-Intel-7500U

Usually looks to go for £700-750ish

Just checked....more than 10 in stock!!

Yes yes, donkey

Here you go LINKY!

Is Click and collect covered by 7/ 14 day free returns policy like normal online buying ?

Many thanks for posting, just ordered for a friend.

You could try using a different finger.

Just rang John Lewis, 200 in stock.
They have reduced it to price match by 300 pounds, I am informed, it's not a misprint!
Happy days

how easy is it to move windows on to the ssd ? I know how to take laptops apart but never tried swapping hd for a ssd.

Thanks, just purchased to collect tomorrow.

games?

Well I have checked the service manual, and sadly it only has one m.2 slot which is occupied by the Wifi/BT module, so it means you cannot simply add in an m.2 SSD. You will have to replace the installed 2.5" hard disk, bit of a disappointment, but given the saving on offer here not a deal breaker. Also adding a further 8GB DDR4 2400MHz RAM is only £41.17 from Crucial presently.

I've bought one, after doing the research, thanks OP.

3-year guarantee did it for me. Purchased one. Thanks for posting!

is this any good for games?
or what games can u run on it?

I personally don't like laptops this big having owned 17" Dell before, but no denying this is a stunning deal.

Swap the 1TB drive with a SSD and you'll have a beast of a machine.

Thanks. Has anyone used this before and could give some comments on the screen quality of this FHD TN panel?

So close to buying this, found a 15" with SSD but no graphics card, decisions!

Does anyone if this comes with IPS or TN panel? Could anyone comment on the screen quality of this laptop? Thanks.

Feels really good spec for money, but im nervous about 17 inch / 3kg after using 13 inch for work and home atm

thanks hotukdj and pondlife, bought it.

Hmmm too big, no SSD. Still tempting but think I'll pass.

Bought ..thanks

Bargain , and hot from me , however would never buy another i7 in a laptop , they get way too hot for my liking, but this is an absolute steal at the misprice, 3yr warranty I could change my mind, its in my basket.

I've pulled the trigger. Going to use this as an upgrade to my desktop that's a G3258 with built in graphics. Got a 256gb SSD and spent about £300 building it a couple of years ago and was thinking of upgrading the processor to i7.

Thanks for the help guys. I purchased the Lenovo 510s with 256gb SSD and am wondering whether I should return it and go for this instead.

Does this have a backlit keyboard? From what I have read it does not.

This is seriously good value.

John Lewis, you say? Stop funding hate.

Epic deal

Does anyone know how much this laptop is normally? I've looked on Google and can't seem to find it.

it wont play crysis 1 :smiley:

hot

Ah. Fair point. Then the screen size and battery life and weight are biggest differences. Whether the screen size is advantage and worth the extra weight or not depends on user

He isn't saying it's much better he is asking.

Depends if you want 17 inch laptop with longer battery life or smaller one with less. What makes it *much* better? The slightly different graphics chip?

would this be any good for running solid works (no rendering, just creating parts and drawings)

Does it come with display port?

If you want to game so much then buy a console?

TBH, I'm not sure with some of the very new games, as it's only a really basic GPU comparable to the Geforce 940MX. I wouldn't recommend buying this in the hopes of running all the latest games, you may end up disappointed.

No SSD, a bit of a lump in terms of portability and I suspect the build quality and screen is poor. Otherwise it's decent bang for buck.

Would this also be able to run most of the newer PC games? (not necessarily at the highest settings)

I'm interested to know why people like touchscreen laptops. Surely having an oily finger smudged screen isn't ideal for viewing the screen.

tempted but past experience of hp laptops isn't favorable ..

Ordered next day delivery - all though no email as yet. Thanks

As at 15:23 on 27,Nov site shows 10 still in stock.

Yeah that's that one then. Cheers for the info common sense as well.

great price

Showing as more than 10 in stock and let me order one

Just ordered, thanks!


Says "More than 10 in stock" for me.

Phew... just saved me £449

All gone!

Looking at the discrete graphics card, AMD Radeon R7 M445 4GB RAM - it should be ok, you may have to reduce some of the settings if you are running it at full 1920x1080 however. :smiley:

Is this the one where the screen got slated in reviews?

Tempted for my daughter does anybody know if this would play just cause 3 and sims 4 on what settings. Tempted for my daughter.

Could be a mistake in description and actually it's an i3 like Currys are selling?

Purchased as gift, and registered to thank you :smiley:

purchased amazing price thanks OP

is the ram upgradable in this one?

I think you might be right... They've price matched http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-17-5000-17-3-laptop-black-10146382-pdt.html
which is a Intel® Core™ i3-6100U Processor

so I'm assuming this is a steal?

Seems like a lot of computer for the money. I'd go for this to replace my desktop. Not fussed in portability etc. Decent for gaming? As in games from five years or so ago?

Good find OP, if only l could somehow get another £50 off to make up for lack of SSD!

Seems like they priced matched the I3 that curry's is selling.

very tempting.

Hot, just a shame it's not touchscreen