Talos uses a Vulkan wrapper as far as I know. The benefits to Vulkan are restricted for now.

In Vulkan "most of the time"? It wins in half the Vulkan games (Doom), but loses in the other half (The Talos Principle). Still doing better there than in a DX12 comparison, though - the 8GB 480 isn't ahead of the 6GB 1060 in most games. In fact - and please correct me if I'm wrong - it's only ahead in Hitman, isn't it? Total Warhammer, Ashes of the Singularity, Rise of the Tomb Raider etc are all faster on a 6GB 1060, despite being DX12 games with async compute support, and a couple of them supposedly AMD-favoring titles. It seems that the 1060 is ahead in DX12 in general, and it's too soon to make judgments with Vulkan due to the tiny sample. I think you should look at the benchmarks again! :wink:

(Let's just not mention DX11! :wink:)

As for the marketshare, I simply looked at the latest Steam hardware survey - the 1060, 1070 and 1080 all have a foothold there already, and the 480 doesn't, despite having been "available" for nearly three months. There have been a few articles in the tech world about sales figures - this came up top for "480 sale figures", for example, and reinforces that the 1080 is outselling the 480.

I'm not 100% sure it's all true, of course - maybe people are buying 480s and 470s but then only playing games from GOG.com and Origin, rather than Steam? :laughing:

Maybe a racist tweet from OCUK is all we need to convince us. :man:

​Not sure that's true. Rumour suggests AMD are regaining market share and also reports from places like OcUK have suggested the 480s are selling pretty well and better than some of the other cards you mentioned! 1060 is its true competitor but then the 480 beats soundly in DX12 or Vulkan most of the time. Look at Doom...

kids these days....:disappointed:

Cute!

I feed cute flies to my lizard, he loves them cute...

Cute :-)

Keep partying with your imaginery friends... done with you buzzing fly...

I read what you said, I had a discussion about the things you said. I disagreed and you proceeded to call me names (old goat, snob, etc).

Delusion is a powerful thing.

I think you are just mumbling to yourself on the mirror, stop talking to yourself, not good for your brain mate.

Disagreement is one thing, being snob and self-righteous is another.

Read what i said, explained to you countless times what i said and meant, you are still looping yourself.. I dont know where your stop button...

It's amazing that you actually think that is how the conversation played out.

Read it again. You were rude and calling me names, while I was simply talking about the topic that was brought up.

All I did was disagree with what you said, you then turned it personal and proceeded to act like a child for multiple posts.

You don't get it, it's clear, so I don't expect you to self analyze and figure this out, so I'm not going to labor the point. You are clearly upset, as your posts are getting full of "****" and unintelligible ramblings.

soooo, moving away from the fan boys.

the Sapphire Rx480 4gb nitro+ is £194.99

http://m.ebuyer.com/753948

being the 4gb you lose on high res but for me having a 1080p monitor could be an option.

I dont need to call you anything anymore, you described yourself pretty spot on!
I started my conversation quite humanely... i replied to you two messages explained to you where you got me wrong, you started/turned out to be a ****, with tons of assumption and bias! I didnt even write a reply to you.

"I dont answer back anymore" >>> you are implying and assuming a lot from a simple sentence which i tried to explain, but you refuse to understand for whatever reason... you were trying to educate me by correcting something i didnt even imply. I m pretty sure you dont need shocking, you are delusional, biased, and pretty good armchair cowboy. I dont need to prove **** anything thank you very much and just buzz off pls ok!

It's pretty clear what type of person you are by your posts.

Looping arguments? At what point have I looped?

I would be shocked if you actually held a job that had even one iota of customer server or interaction, as you can't handle a reasonable discussion.

I wonder what you'd do if I actually stooped to your level with insults? I can't imagine it would be much more than an incoherent stream of drivel.

Do you want the last word, is that why you are continuing to post?

Well, on you go, I'm out. Feel free to call me old, a goat, snobish, cocky, thick, rubbish, or whatever.

But if you can't see who's actually being rude, you are beyond help.

Buzz off mate, you are still fighting who is right or wrong, and whose **** is bigger game for far too long... drop it...

"A good IT guy can explain a computer to someone who doesn't know what a computer is. A bad IT guy gives up and never tries again" you are just assuming a lot in general... worse you come up both cocky and snobbish even more!

You dont know the spec of dust of the story, yet you are still insisting on "cute lecturer's" game...

When business is involved, and some random dude who happened to have destroyed company's DB and cost whole day downtime, and questions my implementation based on his gaming habits and despite repeated information about what he knows wrong about servers, like yourself (yes that this time is an insult) thick as a wall, loops himself and repeats same rubbish consistently, you give up and dont waste precious time. I do my work at certain standards, and i educate my customers, who are willing as i said before! so once again, buzz off you cocky snobish mr know-it-all-random dude from internet.

You know the hilarious part, you went on the offensive first.

The discussion started out fine, then you said this:

"read this any you will have some sense...

your just an old goat m8..."

You do realize that's just a straight up insult, right? Like, there is no way around it, you were extremely rude, and you got a rude response.

You clearly *do* have a grudge against me, as you immediately assumed (See, this again is on you) that I was being "snobbish" in my reply, and I think it's clear with your response (see above) that you did indeed react in a begrudging manner.

Anyway, I'm done discussing this, it is going no where. I am very glad I do not have you as an IT employee, you would seriously lose me business.

A good IT guy can explain a computer to someone who doesn't know what a computer is. A bad IT guy gives up and never tries again, but hey, maybe you think good IT guys get annoyed at people for having an opinion on a server configuration, even if it's ill advised or misunderstood.

I didnt even wrote to you, you replied to me with some sort of so called "subtle" snob!

"I dont answer back anymore" >>> "I mean, a good IT guy could explain that to someone in seconds and not actually be bothered."

thats very snob if not insulting, with a lot of assumption on your end that i didnt try to explain to this guy for a simple question... For your biased assumptions: I explained to the moron and wasted 10 mins why a server is not a gaming machine, and he was still meh specs looks ok, but he wasnt sold on the gfx chip... I gave up... hence the short sentence rather than details...

"I don't think you got my subtle in response to your personal attacks." I dont have a grudge against you, you kept coming back with your snobish way that it was a simple answer to a guy for a silly question, but i failed to deliver?

"You were not the teacher in this discussion" right, is that why you are telling me or should i say trying to teach me how to answer "why a server is not a gaming machine in simple terms" to a thick guy who refuses to drop gaming rig comparison... right you didnt know the whole story, so you just jumped ahead and lecture me with your wisdom...

thanx, but no thanx, i m alergic to cough, bs... quit attacking me for no reason, all i said, it is hard to tell everyone the right things, and they will go around and listen to advice from people who they deserve... you will end up wasting your time, like i just did...

There were virtually no assumption in my posts.

I don't think you got my subtle in response to your personal attacks.

So let's reduce the subtly. You were not the teacher in this discussion.

piece of advice, dont assume too much for what is said and what is not... you are stuck in words rather than meaning...
moral of the story, i m sorry you are right, i cant teach well...

No, I'm not spinning anything.

I'm simply saying that when you have something that can be explained in black and white (You don't need a dedicated GPU to run a server) versus how much should you pay for high end audio equipment... The two cannot be reasonably compared.

You can turn this into some "you are old, stupid, and ugly" fight if you want to, but I won't get into that.

But you are absolutely right, you can't teach some people and they will just refuse to understand.

Some words of wisdom, if you are going to make fun of other people, don't do so with terrible grammar and punctuation, it really takes away from your post 'm8'.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/using-a-server-as-a-gaming-rig.152346/

read this any you will have some sense...

your just an old goat m8...

you are stuck in words rather than meaning... it is not just more cores etc... some people just think they are smart with specs! or they are told!

long story short, there are those type of people you cant teach anything useful they just refuse to understand... i m afraid you are just spinning my story out of its context to who is right or wrong side...

many people will post their opinions right or wrong, and some people will believe them... and like chinese whisper, it will just pass on to different shapes...

I cant simplify any further, as you moved to a totally different game for unknown reason of your own...

Your story was not a simplification in any sense.

And your original story was about some random dude asking why you don't have a better GPU on a server.

I agree, there are people who think more cores for gaming==better and therefore XEON cpus with 32 cores are even better.

Those people don't know what they are talking about and can't be convinced otherwise, but they at least have some concept to come back with.

With servers, you just don't play games. There is no reasonable or unreasonable argument.

You are making assumptions, Again, there is gray area everywhere where £££ involved! Trust me... There are people suggesting server hardware as more reliable configs for gaming pcs with XEON cpus and sh** loads of wasted RAM!

Dont assume or think it is unrelated until you come across the same situation. My simplification is to make a point, not the whole story... A lot of the times you will hear some people making comment about a pc based on its specs vs price completely baseless or based on their limited knowledge or these advice by these experts...

Just past week, a client of mine was suggested by his expert friends to buy a macbook pro at a price £2000+ to do is essentially a few word/excel files and outlook and light web browsing!

"A server versus a gaming rig" and "There is no question, a server is not used for gaming." There is this again, he has been a pain in the back side with IT knowledge, who destroyed the DB in the server by being too smart... Assuming about gray areas, these kind of people give advice to people what they read on rubbish places... They make people purchase completely unnecessary h/w. Then there is the snake oil stuff... Which is more dangerous!

"a crazy niche market that actually has a lot of money involved in getting things 'perfect' even if it truly can't be noticed" This is the grayest area! Certainly Niche but a lot of snake oil involved...

Sounds completely unrelated to discussing basic function of a computer used for a server...

Like, I get it, people can be hard headed, but discussing computer audio is a crazy niche market that actually has a lot of money involved in getting things 'perfect' even if it truly can't be noticed.

A server versus a gaming rig... There is no gray area. They can't say "they can hear the lossy noises". There is no question, a server is not used for gaming.

@Nate1492

Many people read forums/certain so called review sites, and without technical knowledge, they fall for great advertising.

Let me give you an example: I had a top manager client at a wealth holding company who was making **** of money. he had an audio set worth (my estimation) £35-40K just to listen to classical music CDs! (1000s of them!)

He would tell me about their specs, and how he assembled it together. Like cable risers, worth around £1000 to isolate electric current from floors! Cryogenic cables :smiley: heck granite speaker stands (worth around £2000 and they are just an inc diameter volcanic rocks) to isolate earth's natural vibration from the speakers to damp the distortion!

He is reading all this info (well better said, fed all this info from so called expert forums).
I asked him to digitize his archive as they were both taking **** loads of space and vulnerable to damage.

One day he came to asking advice, how to do this. I explained to him his laptop is more than capable of converting CD's to digital files. And he doesnt need any special investment for it. And software is all he needs, and there tons of good free and/or cheap software to do lossless conversion. He said, he will think about it.

1 week later, he came back with his research and advice from the "expert" forum.

Showed me a specially designed CD to lossless music file conversion machine.

- Top of the line i7 cpu
- 16gb RAM
- 2/3 Raid 0 config 2/3tb HDDs
- Some NVIDIA GFX card (bcoz you know u need a dedicated gfx card for proper audio conversion graphics!!!!)
- £150 worth CD ROM specially designed for distortion free conversion!!!!!! You know £10-15 worth ones distorts digital files badly!
--Price around £2000
Best/fastest machine for 1-1 CD to lossless converstion!!!!

I told him it is his money, and not my business to tell him he should not buy this, it is over kill, unnecessary and he doesnt need any of that ****...

He comes back next day from this expert forum with £1000 quote so-so machine will still do perfect conversion a little slower... He is super happy he got a better quote.

If you understand where i am going, i think i ll leave it at this... You cant teach old dogs new trick...

One assumes too much without knowing the smart ass in detail: You cant teach an old dog new tricks :smiley: Just saying, dont assume i didnt... Also, contrary to many in the industry, i educate my clients for simple things if they are willing, so i save my important time for better things. Money isnt everything, but many doesnt bother so they make extra cash by feeding **** to their customers...

All things considered I'd say this is a good deal. Can you find a non-reference cooler RX480 8GB cheaper? I highly doubt it.

One thing no one has mentioned is that currently RX480 are highly desirable for people doing crypto currency mining like Ethereum. Although not exactly the highest hash/watt ratio, they're considerable cheaper than nVidia 1070 cards which is why people are buying RX480 instead. Now you can say, not many people are crypto currency mining, but when these guys buy GFX cards, they're buying in bulk. 5,10, 20, maybe more, at the same time. This in turn has meant supplies are low and so prices go up. Of course, non of these mining rigs ever see a game so won't show up in a Steam hardware survey :wink:

so...was this a good deal?

I mean, a good IT guy could explain that to someone in seconds and not actually be bothered.

"Servers are used for a different function than gaming, the RAM is used more like a hard drive to provide extremely fast response times."

IT is my business, and once in a while some smart ass come around ask the SERVER specs I installed for their business. I provide the details, and the smart ass says "whaaaat that graphics card on it is rubbish, you cant play anything on it, but cpu seems ok, ram seems a bit overkill". I dont answer back anymore :smiley:

Shots fired.

No, the "point" really doesn't. :laughing: Do you remember when I mentioned figures and time periods? Your links have no actual figures, no timescales, your new desperately-clutched straw of Caseking.de isn't even suggested to be included, and it's also worth noting that both of your links predate the 1060 release date. All your links demonstrate is how absolutely baseless your assumption was (as opposed to my previous assumption that it was mostly baseless). You may as well have linked to that octopus who predicted World Cup results. :man:

(Although you've piqued my interest - what % of the market does OCUK have in the UK? And if you have any actual, useful reports from Mister Gibbo, I'd still be interested. I'm not afraid of being corrected by the facts.)


Ignoring that you haven't even mentioned the 970 until just now, I'll say it again: the 8GB 480 is only ahead of the 6GB 1060 in Hitman and Doom. First review for a stock 1060 from Google, for example:

"Along with Hitman, [Doom] is one of two games where the RX 480 has a clear lead over the GTX 1060."

Your comment was "1060 is its true competitor but then the 480 beats soundly in DX12 or Vulkan most of the time" - were you talking about the 3GB 1060? I'm stretching for a way to make your comment remotely credible - yes, the 480 beats the 3GB 1060 in a couple of DX12 benchmarks (and, again, one Vulkan benchmark). But it's entirely irrelevant to this deal - this is the 8GB 480, so the 3GB 1060 is £40 cheaper. As pointed out in the other comments here, the Gigabyte 6GB 1060 OC is cheaper than this XFX 8GB 480, and Hitman Doom blah blah blah (I've said it three times; if you haven't understood by now or bothered to check out a single review, I give up).

So maybe your original comment was about the 3GB 1060, and therefore it wasn't entirely wrong - just irrelevant? :laughing:


If you say so. Perhaps there's a valid reason why you've ignored all of the 480 and 1060 benchmarks on the Internet and come up with some staggeringly reality-stretching theories as to why the 480 isn't being outsold by the 1060, 1070 and 1080 - I'd certainly be interested to read it if it exists. (That link again, FYI.)

By the way, I think I managed to translate most of your comments into English, but "fascetious" threw me - would that be a facetious fascist? :man:

AMD now use GlobalFoundries, which are a US company, so we'd expect to see less of an outside effect on prices. But it's slightly more complicated that just using US$:£, because the Polaris cards have rarely hit their announced prices in the States, either. So while we should see prices ~13% higher than expected before the referendum, it has turned out to be significantly higher than that. Hence, the supply constraints theory, that happens to be backed up by just about every figure we can find (except something called a "Gibbo").

The decision to leave caused a knee jerk reaction in the markets. As previously said the economy isn't doing as bad as previously thought so the decision to cut interest rates again has to be a large contributing factor with all else being equal (as in there's supposed to be a GLOBAL economic crisis).

And since when have we been importing electronics from the States? Most of the components would have probably been made in China where labour is cheap. As somebody said, these higher than MSRPs are just retailers trying to increase their margins.

Wait, you actually think that the 1060 had more stock in before brexit and the amd 480 didn't, and *that's* why it costs more?

You do realize brexit happened June 23rd.

AMD 480 released June 29th.

Geforce 1060 released July 19th.

So if anything, the 480 has the 'pre brexit' advantage you are trying to say exists.

But here's the thing, just because the import tax wasn't paid, the brexit devaluation *immediately* impacted the actual price of many items.

The import duty and vat is impacted at a proportionate rate. So even if we took the concept at face value and assumed there were more 1060s, it wouldn't matter, stock is still evaluated with consideration to currency value.

You couldn't be more wrong. I've been team green for the last 3 cards I've owned, and been entirely pleased with them. However, I'm not impressed with the massive price increases in the 1070s and 1080s vs the previous gen given their respective position in the lineup. Granted they offer increased performance, but so does every new gen of cards. That's the point.

Your point on the 3GB 1060 is entirely misplaced as the 3GB 1060 is more like a 1050, rather than an identical card with less VRAM as the 4GB 480 is. Rather than accusing me of 'dressing up my post' perhaps you should start by checking your facts. But thanks for attacking my post for simply stating an opinion.

We will have to agree to disagree I think, lest I think you are trying to be fascetious. That 'small UK retailer' you mention are part of the Caseking.de group and also one of the UK's largest PC-based etailers, and thus between them and Caseking actually have a reasonable share of the UK/European enthusiast market. OcUK also had some of the AIB cards listed for pre-order with official pictures before most over retailers, and were being linked to by news sites in regards to prices etc, so go figure?
Maybe the sales they are getting are unrepresentative of the rest of the world, but in the months since the RX480's release there have been several positive reports from Gibbo regards the sales of the RX480.
Example: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29756480&postcount=241
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29794935&postcount=487

I will admit these figures are from earlier in the year but still, the point stands.

I have also seen positive reports out the states, although I can't remember the sites I read those on so not going to flail around looking for those.

Also I wasn't specifically referring to the GTX1060 as higher end hardware, more the 1070/1080. The RX480 (especially AIBs) trades blows more with the 1060, although does tend to pull away in DX12/Vulkan although again I concede it's not a clean sweep; it never is. Nvidia currently have more market share so it is not unsurprising to see them turning up more frequently.

And before you try and throw the AMD fanboy card at me (as I saw the insinuation coming up), I'm currently using an Nvidia 750ti. Its actually quite unfortunate for everyone in the UK really, Brexit means cards are costing more here, regardless of which side, AMD or Nvidia, the 4** series and 10** cards would all be cheaper if it wasn't for the exchange rate shock here. I won't argue that AMD haven't had stock issues however. Everything I've read these last few months suggests they're not getting into stores at the rate they should!

Don't want to argue, just want to make sure people have a valid discussion, although I will resoundly say, anyone buying a 480 needs to do the research and get a good custom model. All the issues in the initial drivers, downclocking and stock cards have not helped it's rep.

I was also not mistaken RE 970 vs 480 vs 1060 cards, the 970 being the weakest of the lot of them. I concede the 1060 wins most of the time in DX11, in DX12/Vulkan however its not so clear cut.

Talos uses a Vulkan wrapper as far as I know. The benefits to Vulkan are restricted for now.

Love the discussion :smiley: Good card, good price, heat added.

I worry for you if you think "[email protected] said a while back the rx480s were outselling the 1070 etc substantially." counts as a "fact".

What was the context? Was the esteemed Mister Gibbo referring to a specific period of time - a weekend, a week, a specific 28 days? Did he mention how much stock of each they had?

I'm politely trying to make your vague, unsubstantiated reference - sorry, "fact" - count, but as you say, it was "a while back", and it's a small UK retailer that you seem to think is 100% representative of the entire world - even if you had provided an actual link to Mister Gibbo's "report". Which you haven't. Not even a useful quote.

Also, it's interesting to see you now refer to the 1060 as "higher end hardware [sic]" than the 480. Usually when someone takes the time to teach me something, I take the time to thank them. :man:

Except this doesn't really have much to do with stupidity. Fanboys can be quite intelligent folks. Being intelligent doesn't stop people from rationalizing purchases and becoming over emotionally invested in brands/products/whatnot.

​except the 480s are aimed at more mainstream gamers and oddly enough not everyone takes part in the steam hardware survey. arguably people with higher end hardware are more likely to bother. Better off getting facts from retailers. [email protected] said a while back the rx480s were outselling the 1070 etc substantially.

Good price, but needs to fall further before I'm taking a punt. While nVidia have the performance edge at the moment their price gouging has been pretty disgraceful, and for their greed alone I'd rather pick up an AMD card (and to do my bit to keep the competition in the game!)

You can find worse than that here. There's one person who's a 980 Ti fanboy, specifically. Nothing else is as good, nothing else is acceptable, everyone should have a 980 Ti! Even as recently as a couple of weeks ago... :confused:

I get accused of being a Nvidia fanboy and of being an AMD fanboy, depending on whom I'm correcting, so I guess that means I'm doing something right. :laughing:

(Although it's occurred to me that alexrose1uk may not be an AMD fanboy who is lying about benchmarks. The comparison they made works well if you replace "1060" with "970", so they may have simply been confusing their GPUs. Still worth correcting their mistake considering people read these comments for advice, but it reinforces that it's worth checking your facts before publishing a comment online.)

Exactly. (Except it's definitely a bit more than 10%. We had an average of ~US$1.5 (or higher) for years before the ~month before the Brexit vote, which has now dropped to ~US$1.3 post-referendum.)

All largely irrelevant to this deal, however, as the bright spark who pinned the blame on Brexit seems to have forgotten that the pound devaluation happened before the UK release of any 480 cards, and that we have seen 4GB 480s for under £175 well after the vote (meaning that an 8GB 480 for £200 would have been correct, due to the claimed US$30 price difference).

They also didn't account for the fact that Polaris cards are increasing in price, while Pascal cards have been decreasing in price over the same period. Plus, simply the number of people complaining about 480 stock online! :wink:

US rates have never equated to a straight conversion when on the shelves here. In the past the $ price has usually ended up as the £ price for many electronic items. just look to Apple's pricing policy for example.

Other things to consider, America has sales tax varying by state to add on. The on the shelf price here needs to account also for import duty and VAT, and whether we are comparing reference card prices to aftermarket brands. I've yet to see a AMD release suggesting a £160 price point in the UK, it was journalists artist license to just straight line convert the USD prices without factoring in the above elements.

I'm not defending AMD, in fact the older Nvidia cards which are being cleared out at the moment (imported pre-Brexit) probably offer better bang for buck at this stage.

Most likely with the current inflated prices it is the retailer taking advantage of simple supply and demand to pocket a higher margin (likely offsetting the discount on clearing previous generation cards).

But how do you explain the following simple math.

$229 US launch price.

229 / 1.3 = 176
176 * 1.2 = 211

I think most people could accept the 10% bump on the 160 quid figure (that'd put the 480 at 176 quid).

But when AMD announced the card initially as a 199 offering that will be very available, no one thought it'd mean that it was just a fake price that would never be seen.

​yeah they exist for everything, I happen to be team brangelina myself and I hate them goody 2 shoes braniston supporters, I have just died inside with the latest news, it was like when take that split all over again.

Really? In general economics a low interest rate may make demand for a currency weak and therefore impact it's value, what OP refers to is the 10% overnight devaluation of the pound where it dropped from $1.45/£1 to 1.3, directly attributable to the Brexit vote to leave.
Now that any imported goods already in the retail pipeline have been sold, any fresh imports will cost approximately 10% more, hence apart from general supply issues, the lack of new AMD cards available at the release date expected RRP

'It's because of Brexit' trolls out in force again, just leave politics out of it and concentrate on the deals yeah?

Nope. I blame years of low interest rates. It's only going to get worse if the Americans raise their rates again. Remember they were one of the first major economies to increase their rates late last year.

I didn't say the economy was doing badly, I said Brexit is the reason that $ to £ is as bad as it is at the moment. You can't deny that is what triggered it.

£ to $ is low because they keep cutting interest rates. The institutions then dump £. When demand drops the conversion rate drops. All this because they think the economy is doing badly. But look at the FTSE 100. It's 800 points higher than before the referendum.

But hey this isn't an economics forum. :wink:

You were shocked that there's stupid people in the world?

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

Stupidity is in the majority, regardless of class, stupidity is literally everywhere when it comes to the human race.

Prices are higher due to the **** $ to £ rate, sure exports are doing ok. This is an import so yeah Brexit is affecting the price.

Picked up my completely silent SFF evga 1060 sc 6gb for £238, more perf, silent less heat, more efficient consuming 135w overclocked to 2100mhz vs these at 250w oc the sapphire is up around 260w for an extra 80mhz on the clock lol, then comes the heat and with it fan noise and all I see thus far is a small bump deus ex and the vulkin bump in doom that's it.

Now I wish amd well but this is unacceptable and to be fair I really hope it's fixed as far as NVidia go I'm waiting on a perf upgrade driver to boost vukan, dx12, deus ex, cause thus far NVidia have done no performance upgrade.

Not sure if you meant it as sarcasm or not but the economy is actually doing OK.

Brexit is the issue

ITT: fanboys.

AMD have a lot of catching up to do.

£200 would be the sweet spot.

I had the XFX RX 470. It's so loud I sent it back. I can only imagine that the XFX RX 480 will be even louder as it's a more powerful card.

​Make that £226.49!

​You can get the Gigabyte 1060 6GB OC model via flubit using ebuyer as the link and get it for £226.98, I ordered mine earlier today.

I bought an XFX 260, out of all the cards I've ever bought, this is the only one that ever died on me after 2 years. Just a month after warranty.

Not to mention, at 226.98, you can buy a 1060 6gb model... I think it's a no-brainer. Bad company, mediocre price.

They are getting ahead because of the console market, the PS4 and XBOXONE all use AMD because NVIDIA cant compete.

Plus this: http://wccftech.com/amd-takes-gpu-share-nvidia-q1-2016/

Rumours are generally just that, a rumor.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

The steam hardware survey shows all gfx cards with at least .3 percent markets hard. They lump amd cards from some categories together. None of the Polaris cards crack the minimum. The 1080 has already hit .49. enough rumours, there are facts available.

In Vulkan "most of the time"? It wins in half the Vulkan games (Doom), but loses in the other half (The Talos Principle). Still doing better there than in a DX12 comparison, though - the 8GB 480 isn't ahead of the 6GB 1060 in most games. In fact - and please correct me if I'm wrong - it's only ahead in Hitman, isn't it? Total Warhammer, Ashes of the Singularity, Rise of the Tomb Raider etc are all faster on a 6GB 1060, despite being DX12 games with async compute support, and a couple of them supposedly AMD-favoring titles. It seems that the 1060 is ahead in DX12 in general, and it's too soon to make judgments with Vulkan due to the tiny sample. I think you should look at the benchmarks again! :wink:

(Let's just not mention DX11! :wink:)

As for the marketshare, I simply looked at the latest Steam hardware survey - the 1060, 1070 and 1080 all have a foothold there already, and the 480 doesn't, despite having been "available" for nearly three months. There have been a few articles in the tech world about sales figures - this came up top for "480 sale figures", for example, and reinforces that the 1080 is outselling the 480.

I'm not 100% sure it's all true, of course - maybe people are buying 480s and 470s but then only playing games from GOG.com and Origin, rather than Steam? :laughing:

Maybe a racist tweet from OCUK is all we need to convince us. :man:

​Not sure that's true. Rumour suggests AMD are regaining market share and also reports from places like OcUK have suggested the 480s are selling pretty well and better than some of the other cards you mentioned! 1060 is its true competitor but then the 480 beats soundly in DX12 or Vulkan most of the time. Look at Doom...

These were £220 a couple of months ago, and were supposed to be cheaper even back then... :confused:

Could be a supply issue, of course - they're rarely in stock at reasonable prices, and the 480 hasn't sold nearly as many as the 1060, 1070 or, bizarrely, even the 1080.

After last 2 products from XFX Im avoiding them like a plague, but still good price

That's a decent price. Especially if your considering to crossfire.