Why would anyone want to hack in and watch you? Granted people in high positions such as politics etc. do it but who wants to do watch some dude laid on the sofa eating chips!?!

Do you do the same to the camera(s) on your mobile phone?

I was moving around extensively in Space Pirates on a HTC Vive and had no issue with sickness once immersed!

I dont trust web cam on my laptop allways cover that sucker up ;(

​i think there's a fair number of us. I have a camera. it came with my launch day ps4 bundle.

Then there are all the people who use them for streaming.

Sony have a psvr bundle in the US so I'm surprised they haven't announced anything over here.

I wonder how many people already have the camera? Can't see that there was much use for it because there wasn't really a lot of stuff that required it. Even with the PS3 a lot of people might have already bought the PS3 Eye for Move or some of the AR Games but with PS4 Move support was practically non-existent until PSVR came along and I don't think there was much (if any) in the way of AR titles.

It would make sense to offer an all-in-one pack option rather than have people plugging their PSVR in only to find that they also need a camera (and maybe a move controller too to get the best experience).

But excluding camera and move keeps the headline price lower, which I suspect is the main reason.

Pro tip: Change your settings to 60 comments per page then it will only be 2 :wink:

​on mobile it's just a huge list broken down into sections... :wink:

Because lots of people already have the camera and don't want to pay for 2 of them.

You're a star :smiley:

PM'd you.

I've only seen him in January and August, and it wasn't the latter when he brought it up... who knows. He got his PS4 early, but maybe he'd just registered interest.

First pre-order date was 16th march.

Thanks for pointing out that Amazon have pricematched CoolDude0123
You can access the Amazon deal here

​i don't have time to go through four pages of text :wink:

Already been answered, please catch up petal :smile:

Anyone here ever use a Nintendo Virtual Boy back in the day?

Great fun. Until you vomited.

Because people already have playstation cameras...

Anyone who is that worried about it simply should not buy it at all. But if you're going to go through the trouble of covering it in tape when you're not using it, just save yourself the trouble and simply unplug it, save electricity that way too. Plus now you can put it in a lead box just to be sure.

I hate seeing all these Americanisms. Dude, Sofa And please for the love of god tell me you weren't refering to crisps as chips! Unless of course you are an American then I stand corrected.

Ta, got a link? :smiley:

Yes, I think everyone is aware. It's probably one of the most talked bout aspects of VR.

It releases on the same day.

This thing is slightly less useful than a corned beef slipper until the VR comes out though... :neutral_face:

Yep I did, I also got one with my 20th Anniversary PS4 too. But yes they were/are overpriced for the support that they received. Admittedly PlayRoom is actually pretty good fun, but other than that uses are pretty limited to streaming, Singstar and Just Dance really from what I've seen.

There doesn't need to be a 'why' - leaving a camera in your house, typically pointed at you, connected to the internet is always going to be bad for your privacy. The head of the FBI certainly knows that:

https://thehackernews.com/2016/04/tape-webcam.html

And there are plenty of people who are going to hack internet connected cameras simply because they can:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/20/webcam-hackers-watching-you-watchdog-warns

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22967622

If you don't value your personal privacy then fine, but don't give dumb ill-informed advice to others.

Well anything available in UHD I am buying from now on and I don't have a 4K TV. My TV however supports 4:4:4 most people think UHD is just for 4K but may find this interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIf9h2Gkm_U

There are a lot of perverts out there that buy hacked cameras that are "guaranteed" to have a lot of airtime of your daughters/sisters/wife/mother/son. Always a good idea to cover webcams and probably these Playstation camera's as well.

I played this at EGX last weekend, got to try Rigs which is fast paced and Windlands a game where you swing around floating platforms like spiderman.
Apart from a weird feeling during the first 5 seconds when I started moving I quickly got used to it and had great fun with it.
Not everyone is going to be the same, some people can't watch 3D, some can sit all day and watch it, just becuase you feel sick playing VR doesn't mean everyone will, it is something you probably need to try before you buy though just to see how you fare with it.

I'm going to hang fire... meanwhile, my 61 year old father has had the PSVR pre-ordered since January... much to the bemusement of my friend, whose dad can't cope with the idea of a universal remote.

'Reasonable' price considering people still want £30-40 for the old one on eBay.. Had already ordered so happy with the £6 drop.

Can't say the same for the new 2 x Move controller pack though.. £69.99 and as far as I can see no major difference from the PS3 move controllers. Have managed to pick 3 up + a navigation controller on Gumtree for less than £15.

Nope. They are the exact same camera so you are fine. This one just has a new look to it from the outside.


Done the same thing and only came back as 77p for me. No matter how many times I tried in the past, it never done a good enough saving that went over £1 before. lol

I put in a demand at flubit and they came back with 1% discount (44p) which is no surprise considering it's a type of hardware well below RRP. Results may vary but just writing because if you're thinking of doing that then don't get your hopes up.

So is my original camera I got on ps4 release day which I haven't found a use for yet completely useless now anyway?

You can use it to control the PS4 as well, voice controls and hand gestures bit like Kinect.

Eating chips is best case, more than likely throwing some knuckle children away.

Pretty much yeah. And streaming too. Only two games use it I think and one of them is Playroom. Unless you're getting the VR then you really don't need it.

I know right! I only needed one controller so bought mine from GAME for £18. :disappointed: Prices seem to just keep going up and I would have gotten it sooner only wasn't sure if I was defo getting it. CEX is a bit cheaper but charged £2.50 on postage and I figured GAME would be better if anything was to go wrong. I don't trust CEX at all. lol

​It is about having the option as the discs become more popular and cheaper.

I'm sure a 4k blu-ray player is nice to have but I wonder how many 4k discs the average Xbox One S user will buy.

Is this basically just for VR? Any decent games announced for it outside of VR?

I'd only care about VR on the PC...

Each to their own but I think purchasing the PSVR is absolute madness at the price. The camera is worth it for PlayStation Move though. The move really is good. With PSVR you will need the PS4 pro to have anywhere near stable frame rates, yes Sony may interpolate the fps on regular PS4 but as with watching movies I turn that stuff off because those false frames makes me feel dizzy. I would say buy the PS4 pro but I can't because Sony are marketing it as a 4K machine when it isn't and it doesn't even have a UHD player, what a joke. Even the Xbox one s has a UHD player and I own both consoles and prefer the PS4 interface and gaming experience to XBOX but what Sony is doing with the pro (apple much?) I would say wait and see what Nintendo have to offer.

Just because it's possible with pre-release software doesn't mean that finished games will run well on it... or that Sony won't take the opportunity to force us into upgrading the PS4 if they think that there's enough interest to get away with it.
I hope you're right but this wouldn't be the 1st time that Sony made an illogical hardware decision, based on profit (and sealed the fate of the hardware).

Seated VR does make people feel sick, room scale is much better because you are really moving so don't feel it.

cos lots of us already have a camera and don't want to pay for a bundle we don't need. Of course should have a bundle version with it too for those who don't already have it.

With all this spewy talk, I wonder if it could counteract my vertigo?
Might see if I can get one on prescription!

Many games can be played with the dual shock, only certain games require move controllers so depends what games you are getting

Because lots of us already have one

Anybody tell me what controllers i need to buy is it the two move controllers.

I bought it separate, new for £20 off gumtree.

I still think it's ridiculous that there isn't a complete bundle (headset, camera, 2x move controllers). I'm very likely to buy it but am waiting till I try it at trypsvr on 12 Oct.

I was at EGX yesterday and every psvr was on standard ps4. I tried battlezone and rigs and they both looked brilliant. I've pre-ordered with a couple of companies to try and make sure I get one now. As for feeling sick, I had vertigo in Rigs for a second and then I got used to it. If you can try before you buy.

wicked just placed order with Amazon. Can't believe I'll be spending £414 on all the gear and 1 game. Just hope it ain't pants lol.

A lot of people buying these have no clue that happens.
The complaints will be rolling in on the 13th and 14th.

Why have they not included everything in the box?
Utter madness.
Looking forward to the 13th to hear all the complaints about sickness though.
Are people even that aware that you have to take it very easy with VR to avoid nausea?
Have Sony rated the games for comfort? Had my Oculus for about a week now and some games can make you feel very sick. So do be careful.
Voted hot for the price.

Good price but I'm holding off on this until they announce whether the non-pro PS4 is powerful enough to drive PSVR...

just a word of advice... (and I'm not saying this with a tin foil hat on my head)


physically cover the camera with something when not using it. peice of black plumb tape. paper. anything.

that is all.

;-)

I also find it frustrating that they aren't doing a single box that contains PSVR, camera and controllers for, say, £450?
Just seems like a load of balls having to buy all this separate crap for one experience.

Sorry, I'm usually the first to berate gamers for being whiney.

I suspect you are in the minority then since it has less than stellar support when it came out.

Did anyone actually buy it as a separate unit apart form it those who got it from being bundled with the PS4 on launch, the SKU with two controllers, Shadowfall and a camera?

Rigs made me want to hurl

Of course it still early days and you do have to take it easy at first. Not had any condensation issues myself.I would not say the Oculus is dangerous , did you get a constant 90fps? If not that could have been the cause. I get terrible motion sickness in real life as well so I know to ease myself in.
However the experience itself is amazing. I have been blown away by my experience so far and am very much looking forward to the touch controllers.
Playing Adr1ft is like being in the movie Gravity. VR adds emotion to your gaming experience.

If there is no advantage of this over the original then check sainsbury's as they were £25 in store. I bought one but since cancelled my psvr pre order.

Like most, I will hold fire until hearing more feedback. The DK1 of the Oculus Rift made me sick as a dog and I don't want to pay £400 for the same sensation.

Motion sickness does not work like that. also you have to take into consideration frame rates as well.
Constant 90 fps is recommended to match refresh rate for Oculus for example.
Also in first person using a gamepad to move and yet standing ( sitting) still can induce nausea. Unless they introduce a treadmill how can you compensate for that?
Sitting in a vehicle helps to reduce it but if you are hurtling around in a dogfight looking around in all directions you cannot avoid it.
My advice would be to take it easy and don't try and fight through it.
The brand has nothing to do with it and Oculus probably have the most experience of all the VR manufacturers at the moment.
Software in the Oculus store has a comfort rating so hopefully Sony will do that.
Wait until you first take off in Eve Valkyrie you really feel the motion.
Also set your IPD.

I was moving around extensively in Space Pirates on a HTC Vive and had no issue with sickness once immersed!

I'd be worried he wasn't eating chips and playing with his joystick.

gonna hold off until the hype dies down and prices fall...not a big enough games catalogue yet or details on how it'll cope with older model ps4s. I worry that the games will be really short too...time will tell

Yup. Exactly the same, just repackaged.

Used they're £35.

Yes, I'm getting this, VR and the Pro. But, I'm sceptical about PS VR, Sony have a history of abandoning peripherals and there's not a lot of games for VR. They all seem very minigamey

Had a amazon preorder since March but cancelled last night. Too many question marks for me. Mainly over comfort in sitting and/or standing? Cables? The timing and abilities of the PS4 Pro? A new lower latency camera?

No doubt a very exciting experience but made very messy by Sony. Ive always been on PS and XB but this is possibly going to be gimmick of the year

Have they said if they're exactly the same? I already have one from long ago.

If someone wants to watch me sit on my sofa in my boxers then they are quite welcome to.

I dont trust web cam on my laptop allways cover that sucker up ;(

£69.99 for the twin Move controllers.

i am still baffled to why this is not bundled with PSVR.

Megacd2 lol

Sickness in VR is more to do with motion, and it does depend on the person.
Try In Cell or Adr1ft . Taking off in Eve Valkyrie also makes me feel slight nausea. Even Lucky's Tale can cause some motion sickness.
Moving within a room environment is unlikely to cause much sickness.

It strangely reminds me of Rob the Robot and Wall-E.

Tesco Direct - http://www.tesco.com/direct/ps4-camera-v2/695-2935.prd?skuId=695-2935

Amazon - https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Sony-PlayStation-Camera-PSVR/dp/B01LSFGWR0/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1474904768&sr=1-1&keywords=playstation+camera