Couldn't agree more really. I believe Sony set up the UHD Alliance, then decided not to use their standard for any of their own TVs?!

I do think all of them are being purposefully evasive to make TV's nearly impossible to compare. All that measurements that matter, like bits, nits, hz etc are almost impossible to come by.

I don't give a stuff about motion rates or software bodging, I will just turn it all off as soon as I get it home anyway. Nor do I give a stuff about PQI, your made up over all rating which is designed to obscure what the TV actually is! I want to rate the TV myself, not use some system the manufacturer as devised that doesn't mean anything.

It's so bad, just by looking at the numbers it's very hard to tell a £500 TV and a £1000 TV apart. If they don't tell you what the difference is, what's the incentive to buy the more expensive one?

Can you imagine if they did with this computers or phones? Refused to tell you the spec of what you were actually buying? It would be chaos.

It just feels like the worst possible time to buy a TV. My feeling is if you don't have to, don't. If my Sony hadn't failed at the grand old age of 4 years, I certainly wouldn't be looking now.

Latest software update will give it HDR compliancy but the brightness value is about 250 nits whereas full-blown HDR is around 1000 nits. HDR Blurays still look awesome on this though with HDR Mode engaged (although you still need to adjust the settings for your room). I personally have the 65" 8509 coupled with a Samsung K8500 4K Bluray player. The TV is superb and although it is a 2015 model it is hopefully getting Marshmallow at some point this year.

oh and very heavy my TV stand casters collapsed over time from rolling in and out when hoovering

oh and very heavy my TV stand casters collapsed

How are you all finding the software? Any android issues?

​55 7000 series are dropping slowly kitten cracking screen. I'm waiting for the 9000 refresh though hopefully next year. A lot of money but if I can get 1 for 1500 I would be happy.

http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia-kd55x85-led-hdr-4k-ultra-hd-3d-android-tv-55-with-freeview-hd-youview-built-in-wi-fi/p1919340?colour=Black

Is this the same to or is it different?

Sorry I just saw your post I cant say that I have noticed any shaded bars when using the glasses aside from the flicker you get when you move your head and the glasses go out of sync with the screen.

Does anyone have an idea how long this tv is likely to be on offer for? I get discounted gift cards from work but they take 2-3 days to arrive and I don't want to risk the tv going back up to £899:(

Just wondering did you notice any shaded bars either side of the screen when using any of these glasses, especially when increasing the depth of field of the 3D

They would not give me the extra £10 off, they said its already been reduced, but I said it was not when I phoned you yesterday . They would not get back to me, as they said the web team sort this thing out as it was an online deal, in the end the other bloke got in contact with the only bloke sorting the web side of things out .

Just got off the phone with helpful customer service chap at JL who confirmed warranty is backed by themselves. I will be cancelling my RS order and re-ordering through JL.

Here's my review got this model a few months months ago. Display is fantastic in 4k and that's about it. Very slow especially if your using the you view scheduler. Android OS is well aweful. Cannot pause live TV. Recording programmes is a faff. You have to disable youview to do so. Omg it ways a ton. Sound actually isn't too bad. Could have been a awesome product but comes up well sort. Save a little more money and get a Samsung especially if you have already owned one. :smiley:

Follow up:

Thinking about cancelling my order with RS -


Would much prefer to have my warranty direct with the retailer and not the manufacturer.

If you have a problem first point of call is always the retailer

Sure there is a registration card for the RS warranty like you mention, but I'm confused as to who my warranty is with throughout the 6 year period - are you saying the first 5 years is with Sony and therefore any claims need to be made to them and for the final year it is with RS?

I'm a bit confused .. Ordered from RS last night on the basis that they provide a 6 year reputable warranty however I just received my sales note and attached is a PDF copy of a Sony certified 5 year warranty?

who did you order the Hisense from?

​We shall never have an answer. We will never own televisions.

The auto dimming feature (even when off) destroys the ennoyment of what is otherwise an exceltional picture. Light/dark/light. It will drive you crazy. Read up on it before you buy.

have they stopped doing swivel stand? the Samsung I have know is pretty old but that is swivel I dont see much swivel televisions

Finally went for it and ordered from RS canny wait for it to get here!

Got this £849, for some reason most programs look better on my old 1080p tesco £200 TV idk..


http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-bravia-kd55x8509c-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-55-led-tv-849-currys-2446099?p=28115189

Can you put kodi on this, so you can stream all those lovely films/sports I keep hearing about ? Seems to be the norm these days, everyone streaming content that I am paying to watch on the cinema ha :smiley:

I've had 3d issues with this set although the picture quality is superb. I purchased 3d glasses from amazon but experience ghosting and double imaging on all 3d movies. The original Sony 3d glasses are too expensive priced at £ 50.00 each and I needed 4. Has anybody experienced these problems or there is a problem in my set which was bought from JL 7 months back @899 ?

Thank, it seems I can record. The UI isn't very intuitive though. I did a record test for something this evening but have no idea how I cancel it?

Nevermind, Google prevails... https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/how-tos-faqs-tvs-home-cinema/android-tv-usb-hdd-recording/ba-p/2152598

Now I need to go buy a new USB HDD.

Heat added - good price. I have the 65" version. Quick question - is there anyway to reprogram the Netflix button to another function? Perhaps Amazon prime video?

Thanks

It's 2x ikea besta cabinets mounted using their new mounting system. You can pick from various doors as well.

I then got a joiner to fit a kitchen worktop to the top to finish it off.

So much jargon! Should I get this or the HiSense 55M7000 from the other thread?
I just want a decent 49-55" for under £800!

Ikea do that sort of thing... looks similar to the Besta range.

Looks like I need to get a matching soundbar too :smile:

From what I read, to get the best out of HDR, the tv needs to have local dimming zones (the more the better) and also be a full array panel (not edge lit). This set doesnt have either, and some of the 2016 ranges probably wont either... you will pay a lot more for a full array as well.

I bought this set last year, but sent it back after 3 months. Whilst the pic quality is great, the platform drove me nuts, with frequest reboots, and crashes. Whilst 4k looked great, I just got bored of watching 4k demo's - theres not enough content to warrant owning a 4k set yet. Also, 1080p content just looked awful, far worse than on a 1080p tv, due to the processing required to make up the missing resoltuion. I spent half the 1k I paid on a good 1080p set and the pic qualtiy was better than the upscaled image this set produced.

I have this TV and it's fantastic. Many of the negative reviews relate to the earlier firmware versions which were buggy and probably not fit for release. It's much more stable now and gives you access to loads of apps including kodi.

The picture is fantastic. The sound is in line with every other TV of this type (I went for B&W speakers) and it looks great wall mounted.

Bought @ Richer Sounds, thank you.
Voted hot

Can this be bought on the buy now pay 12 months option?

​Thanks. Just ordered from RS. Delivery tomorrow. I see a Netflix weekend ahead :smile:

Does this have Netflix HDR does anyone know?

Can I ask those who already own this tv - can it output Dolby 5.1 over optical when using the Amazon Prime/Youtube/Netflix apps?

Really? Thanks! I'll go test. I've had to leave my old PVR plugged in as I figured there was no recording. Loosing YouView is no loss as its slow as *&£" anyway.

still think its wrong should be for the entire 5 years

I'm erring on the side of no, if it's a not a 10 bit panel. But then which HDR standard are we talking about?

I'm getting the popcorn out this argument has been going since the TV got the HDR update....is it real HDR????
:smiley:

Not all HDRs are equal .. some are more equal (brighter) than others!

It got a HDR update via firmware

RS have changed the price to 799

Defiantly not, are you not getting confused with an accidental damage policy?

anyone got RS or JL to pricematch yet?

No it is not. 2016 model is HDR (KD55XD8577SU). This is a 2015 model.

None the less quite an attractive price.

dont buy from currys if you claim on that warranty once the remaining warranty is canceled

Will I be able to play Pokemon Go on this?

The warranty on this TV is 100% with Sony but you get an extra year with RS

Anyone know of a link that details more info regarding the guarantee. Eg. is it part and labour?

the link on the advert is very brief.

***UPDATE***

Just done some digging found this thread......"The 5 years warranty is with Currys not Sony", but the thread then goes on to suggest it is with Sony. Shame Currys are the link here.... Currys = zero customer service

https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/televisions/i-was-told-my-tv-came-with-a-5-year-warranty/td-p/1819153

But then if they don't know the difference are they likely to notice ? end of the day it does deal with HDR content better than a non HDR TV, its a difficult one that's for sure

but to the average punter who not as well informed as me or you, they may be being miss-sold.

Richer sounds now have it for £799

Need an advise please. I have already ordered the LG 60 inch TV from Amazon deal the other day for £899. Shall I cancel that and go for this one? Thanks in advance

This or the HiSense m7000 that's the question.

Thanks for the reply :smiley:

Through the place i work for..

Ahhhh .. instore price still £899 - JL will only pricematch that

I can get 8% off this through gift cards , i think its defo a bargain?

Any thoughts on this: Panasonic TX-58DX902B 58-inch 4K 3D LED TV

http://www.tps.uk.com/?tab_name=Panasonic&tab_id=52&choice_name=4K_Ultra_HD&choice_id=238&product_group_id=295&product_name=Panasonic_TX-58DX902B_58-inch_4K_3D_LED_TV&product_id=2900&choice_type=1

I have this TV. My gripes with it are the slow (at times very slow) Android interface and lack of being able to record TV. They are apparently adding this in an update but geez this is a year old TV already and still lacking features! For some reason also it turns on my sound bar when I turn the TV on but after 10 seconds turns it off again. It shouldn't be compatibility... its a Sony soundbar.

Great TV but Sony is disappointing with their lack of support for customers who are willing to pay a premium. I don't know what they are doing to make Android so slow but it should be nice and fast.

​I have the 8005 and its silky smooth, although I use YouView and not Freesat. After the latest update to the Android OS I have no problems with the operations of this TV whatsoever.

Couldn't agree more really. I believe Sony set up the UHD Alliance, then decided not to use their standard for any of their own TVs?!

I do think all of them are being purposefully evasive to make TV's nearly impossible to compare. All that measurements that matter, like bits, nits, hz etc are almost impossible to come by.

I don't give a stuff about motion rates or software bodging, I will just turn it all off as soon as I get it home anyway. Nor do I give a stuff about PQI, your made up over all rating which is designed to obscure what the TV actually is! I want to rate the TV myself, not use some system the manufacturer as devised that doesn't mean anything.

It's so bad, just by looking at the numbers it's very hard to tell a £500 TV and a £1000 TV apart. If they don't tell you what the difference is, what's the incentive to buy the more expensive one?

Can you imagine if they did with this computers or phones? Refused to tell you the spec of what you were actually buying? It would be chaos.

It just feels like the worst possible time to buy a TV. My feeling is if you don't have to, don't. If my Sony hadn't failed at the grand old age of 4 years, I certainly wouldn't be looking now.

Is Android on Sony TV's less **** now? was an abomination when i had a 2015 Sony 4k tv last year....
Crashing/missing features/sluggish etc...

Tempted again though if it works properly now....

Agreed but doesn't have the cost of a HD premium set either :smiley:

Not HDR premium though so it wont comply with the HDR10 spec, not all HDR is the same.

As I said before, as this tv is coming up regularly now and getting cheaper, had it for a while but was not impressed at all- sent it back. Sitting next to my old 40" Sony (not even LED) and positioning the 40" forward to give same viewing experience- my old one looked just as good. When used on non HD channels on freeview the 40" was much better. At the time I purchased it (£999) I did loads of researching, reviews, set it up as per the experts, but in the end when compared with my existing one and ignoring how better technically it was supposed to be apart from size it just didn't look any better. Sorry to those who are very happy with their TV but I'm still waiting to see how things pan out.

Decision made to pass on this - thanks guys, the search continues lol

I bought this for £550 earlier in the year from Sony as a refurb.

Anyone tried HDR on Netflix with this TV? I'm curious to see if my issue is normal... It's incredibly dark!

I assumed it was the difference between HDR "lite" on this TV and proper HDR. Or does mine have a fault?

Latest software update will give it HDR compliancy but the brightness value is about 250 nits whereas full-blown HDR is around 1000 nits. HDR Blurays still look awesome on this though with HDR Mode engaged (although you still need to adjust the settings for your room). I personally have the 65" 8509 coupled with a Samsung K8500 4K Bluray player. The TV is superb and although it is a 2015 model it is hopefully getting Marshmallow at some point this year.

I can't understand what good having HDR is on a non-10 bit panel is even, it just doesn't really make sense. You might get slightly improved detail, but surely it can't be anything like proper HDR?

Been looking at TVs for two weeks now, getting really naffed of they are going to such great lengths to hide what it is they are really selling. Getting the actual specs of these panels is getting ridiculous. Even really basic things, like non-software enhanced refresh rates.

Had this TV for over a year now and it's had quite a few issues in that time...lip sync issues on YouTube, laggy remote, rebooting for some unknown reason. It had a lot more issues when I first bought it but Sony updates ironed out the problems. With the new Sony models coming out soon I reckon this particular model will get left behind and they'll stop putting out updates. You only have to look at the Sony Forums on these TV's, people are going berserk. It is a cracking TV though apart from the problems that I've stated.

Thank you very much for the information, I really appreciate it :smiley: Is that generally the same for all manufacturers? So I guess most of what I am looking at now should be relatively new?

​New ranges are shown at the start of the year in Las Vegas and they come on to to the market in April .if you go on to the av forums YouTube page you'll see what's coming out or

Anyone know if this does HDR over both HDMI and USB?

I really wish I had an answer to that question for you. I hoping this might somehow be viable as I hadn't previously been able to find out anything about whether it was 10 or 8 bit.

I've been trawling through Samsungs today. The slightly older ones Samsung seem to have removed the specs of completely from their website, all I can find is user manuals. The medium aged ones have the spec listed and none of them are 10 bit in this price range. The newest ones don't state how many bits at all!!

I feel like I'm going round in circles and getting nowhere. I'm contemplating buying a cheaper monitor for gaming on and suffering while I wait it out and TV's sort themselves out. It just feels terrible to think about investing the best part of thousand pounds in something I won't be happy with or will be superseded so soon.

I know what I truly want is an Ultra HD Premium TV, but they are just out of my budget. The cheapest I have seen is £1200 I think. I've been trying to figure out at what time of year new TVs come onto the market, but I haven't even managed that. I feel like the next gen on from this lot surely have to have this all sorted out? The new xbox will be supporting HDR and I am strongly guess the new PlayStation will because Polaris chips do.

I'm really sorry for the slight rant there and I truly do wish I could be more helpful. If I find anything spectacular I will be sure to post back here.

I guess the Hisense was your front runner?

probably a cross between the 2 lol it is confusing thats for sure

This is where I start to get confused. It says:


What good could 10 bit processing possibly do, if it's not a panel capable of displaying 10 bit colours?

please see this guys

https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/televisions/kd55x8509c-vs-kd55x8505c-10-bit-addressing/td-p/2059342

Star, thank you :smiley: That's really exciting :smiley:

Edit: though I see that's the 65 inch. I wonder if they are the same...

One of the commenters asks for confirmation that it's 10 bit and the reviewer stops replying:

This is a 10 bit panel, hence the HDR update. It is not an 8 bit panel.

Although the following review is for the 8505, the specs for the 8509 are only marginally better - both have the 10 bit panel though:

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony-kd-65x8505c-4k-ultra-hd-tv-review.11902

oh ok, any recommendations on what I should get?

Might even beat the price


https://www.richersounds.com/information/pricebeat

How's this tv for gaming on either consoles or 4k comparable pcs?

Have you seen anything to say it's not though? I mean, I doubt it is, but I haven't found anything that says it definitely isn't.

Which was the TV you saw for £1200, out of curiosity please?

8 bit for sure, cheapest 10 i have seen is £1200

Nope see reasons above

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/sony-bravia-kd43x8309cbu-smart-4k-ultra-hd-43-led-tv-10126467-pdt.html

Is this the same?

what's the difference between this and the 8309 model ?

reckon this is better http://www.johnlewis.com/hisense-55m7000-4k-uled-hdr-4k-ultra-hd-smart-tv-55-with-freeview-hd-ultra-slim-design/p2857189?s_afcid=af_47868&awc=1203_1468427762_9a88bdf705d96e37ded00998cea82244

Yeah i got a print out from Richer sounds saying that the sony warranty is 5 years and to register for a 1 year top up

are you sure about that i am having issues with a tvi ordered a few years ago that clearly stated it had 5yr mfr warranty i have a screen shot when i ordered my old tv gone wrong they now say warranty is with currys

Ordered, great deals. Thanks OP

Thank you .

HDR? Been looking at the KD55XD8599 which is £1,139.98 at Costco next week and has HDR. Does this?

Is the Sony warranty as good as a JL or RS warranty?

Just bought this from richersounds for £899 anyone know if they will give me the £100 back, not even got this yet .

Got a phone call last night and they said it will be here next Tuesday .

Who is the 5 year guarantee with?

I bought this on Monday for £829 still in the box in my front room, Will give Richer sounds a ring in the morning and hopefully they will price beat as on the website

Will JL or RS price match? Want this tv desperately after missing out on £799 bank holiday deal at RS last time

I have a panasonic blue ray player from many moons ago with a netflix button on it. Godsend at the time.
I like the sound of this tv, kodi box can be used else where too. Heat.

Does the remote really have a 'Netflix' button?

I got mine at £849 from JL a couple weeks ago. thought that was cheap but this is even better. looks like curry's also giving 5yr warranty too.

excellent TV for this price. cant go wrong.

Excellent TV! Whilst android isn't perfect, its fantastic for installing apps and new content. Brilliant picture quality too!

I've had this TV for a while now (paid a lot more ) would recommend it only issue is the sound quite low and doesn't come with glasses definitely worth it at this price