Had this in an email from gogroopie and the price looks amazing
Visited the Auschwitz memorial on my trip to Krakow in 2014 and would recommend it also the Wieliczka Salt Mine is really interesting:
http://www.wieliczka-saltmine.com/
Krakow isn't for everyone but there's a lot to see and do
Lots of different prices and departure airports, staying at:
http://www.sympozjum.com.pl/en
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6-hour round trip to Auschwitz-Birkenau complex
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Top comments
robertoegg
22 Jul 168#27
Do it Do it Do it!! Krakow is STUNNING!!!!! Auschwitz is hugely sobering.... I recommend getting into the old Jewish quarter of Krakow and finding some of the traditional jazz - kezler jazz. When you find out that about 2000 Jews survived out of 60,000, man....that hits hard.
Be warned though, you might find that you meet people and learn things that make you sympathise with the EU ideals. I'd hate for any of you little Englanders to go and get educated on what the great wild world actually entails. Suggest if you're keen to "retain your sovereignty", you pass this over and hit up a nice secluded all-inclusive somewhere. #still #ashamed
thomasleep to Davethedealmaker
21 Jul 165#13
What do you think, I mean really you do not know the answer ? You will be forced to go there? that would not happen for oh so many obvious reasons
ryanstewart456
22 Jul 163#84
Oh get over it!
One does not need to be a citizen in the EU to experience other cultures and history!
How about you learn exactly what the EU is and stands for before you continue throwing the toys out of the pram.
lordpt
22 Jul 163#69
Good for catching pokemon.
Latest comments (135)
dappodan1
26 Jul 16#135
The sign outside Aushwitz said 4 million killed at the camp which was then reduced to 1.5 million in 1995 but the figure of 6 million was never revised. Every figure for the hollowcause has been revised exponentially downwards yet the 6 million figure remains. IHR : institute for Historical reform carry on sheeple
What an earth are you on about? Look up Little Englander, if you fall into this category then the second part is about you, if you do not fall into this category then it is not about you. By definition, a person described as Little Englander would have no interest in this deal... trouble with the bleedin internet now, people look to assume they are being insulted. Everyone's "outraged", but generally, people are just quick to judge.
chocci
24 Jul 16#133
Its not pretty much 3 nights, it is 3 nights. The deal states 2 nights :confused:
Plus you paid £40 extra to get a morning outbound and evening inbound,
trampjuice
24 Jul 16#132
I recommend it. All goes to show how evil a remote, undemocratic government which ruled Europe against the wishes of its citizens can be.
Auschwitz (can see everything in under a hour) is not really the place to go for the full experience - Birkenau is far,far more sobering (you will need over an hour).
As you gaze on the tracks leading people to the 'showers', in the holocaust - You might like to reflect the Germans never really change their ways.... Now a Animal holocaust is currently occurring due to EU rules - in similar mega slaughter houses like Berkenau which have sprung up due to the EU allowing animals to be killed by Religious slaughter, millions of animals (30% of UK meat) are inhumanely killed by non stun barbaric halal slaughter. (The RSPCA/Animal welfare council says they die in horrific agony taking upto 2 mins to drown in their own blood when the neck is sliced open). Consumers are not allowed to know - made illegal by EU food labelling directives (EU directive No 1169/2011)
Oh- Stay out of the Jewish synagogue museum. Paid something like £10, and it was simply 3 bunches of blown up photos of the polish ghetto which took about 5 mins to see. Outrageous IMO compared to what else is on offer. The castle is better, but has a only a few tapestries, paintings, old chairs sat in by the tzar that sort of thing etc...
Lots of bands play live in the 'pibs' in the 'Jewish quarter' - pretty good place to go in a evening. Watch the beer - can be 12% alcohol.
coolcat21
24 Jul 161#131
Thanks for the info :smile:
lukas84
24 Jul 161#130
fantastic city and a superb deal
gardinator
24 Jul 16#129
Well it's not really is it.. I go early on a Saturday morning and return late on the Monday, pretty much 3 nights away.
As for it being freezing, it's a city break - If I wanted a hot holiday I would have booked a hotter country.
The Auschwitz tour is probably the main attraction that I'm sure most visitors do the Krakow so I'm not sure why you would leave it out.
tsrandr
24 Jul 161#128
wow try to be more obnoxious and patronising in your tone not too mention the hilarious generalisation. Alot of us are highly cultured and well travelled without the need to try and moronically put others around us down. for someone of such a high moral standing you seem to lack an astounding amount of intelligence.
rachelandgromit
24 Jul 16#127
One thing I would say is that It is very easy to visit Auschwitz by yourself. We got there a few minutes before it opened and were the first in and we were able to spend time at the main camp and camp 2 before the hoards of people came. When we returned back to the main camp to get public transport back to Krakow it was so busy you couldn't even get into the buildings as there were huge tour groups. There was something moving about seeing it empty and peaceful. I'd strongly recommend trying to avoid the tour groups. You can buy a small guide book from the shop that provides an explanation of each building and the staff were also very helpful at this time as there weren't large groups of people. Just my opinion.
chocci
24 Jul 16#126
so as the deal stands, its basically an auschwitz tour which takes 6 hours at least and an evening in krakow or dont bother with the tour so you'll just have 1 day in freezing krakow?
I have no idea why this is a hot deal when you see it like that
gardinator
24 Jul 16#125
I tried doing it on my own and buying it all separate but I found the Auschwitz tour was quite expensive.. it may be cheaper while your over there I'm not sure but it was expensive to book.
The flights they offer you are are a late flight out there and an early flight back so you technically miss a day.. I paid £40 extra which got me early flights out, late flights back, breakfast over the 3 days (which I think won it for me
jukie
24 Jul 16#124
spill the beans. what flights did you get, and how much extra did you pay , did you try pricing independently
darren9030
24 Jul 161#123
Strongly suggest you take the bus rather that the train if you want to go to Auschwitz. The rickety old train takes an eternity . Bus doesn't exactly fly , but it's the better option. There is a free shuttle bus between Aushwitz 1 & the incredibly poignant Auschwitz 2 .
gardinator
24 Jul 16#122
The package you buy is per person... if your not happy with it there's the 14 day money back guarantee. This is a fantastic deal.
gardinator
24 Jul 16#121
Booked! Thanks for this, always wanted to visit Poland and experience Auschwitz. Bit of a ball ache to sort dates and get decent flights when you ring them, I ended up paying a little extra but looking forward to it nonetheless.
coolcat21
23 Jul 16#120
Will definitely look into this trip, maybe not through gogroopie after reading the reviews/ comments, but independently. Thsnks op for highlighting this trip
noss88
23 Jul 16#119
Yes its good price to have a look a world free from multi culti :wink:) and what benefits are :wink:)
spenspuma
23 Jul 16#118
This'll be fun.
jukie
23 Jul 16#117
Is it excellent value for 2 nights?
I dont think so coupled with the reviews of go groopie and the fact you buy the voucher before you know what you are getting, avoid.
DIY ,you could do 3 or 4 nights for few pounds more and Krakow is worth more than 2 nights
deanoevans86
22 Jul 16#116
Yeah i agree good value at £109 if you're flying from london, Krakow is lovely, but i was working on the basis of the price in the title of this deal and was only interested solely because of the price as I'm already going away later in the year so I thought this was a great ultra-cheap deal I could arrange for me and my friends. I always read the small print but I must have missed it because the title of this deal i.e. £79pp and "for 2 sharing one room" was already in my subconscious. Also, the hotel is a 50min walk from the centre (or short taxi ride) which i was happy with for the price of £79pp but at £149pp i may aswell pay a little more, book the flights separately, and get a hotel in the main square in a better location and saving on taxi fares. So from that point of view it diminishes the value of the deal.
crystal18
22 Jul 16#115
I'd worked out it was £109 or whatever each - still excellent value - I would like assurance that three of us can go i.e. a family room. I guess I'll have to call or email them when I get a minute ... and hope I can get through to a real person!
deanoevans86
22 Jul 162#114
DO NOT GET THIS DEAL.
Ignore the 'hot' rating. It is not £79pp!! The go-groopie website is misleading you into thinking that each voucher is for 2 people . I have just spent all day trying to book for me and my friends. I purchased 3 vouchers at £149 each (the 3 night regional airport option) for 6 of us to go. The website highlights that the voucher is for "2 sharing one room" but hidden in the small print it says that you have to purchase one voucher per person so it is in fact double the cost advertised. Even if the price was correct it was still an absolute ball ache trying to firstly purchase the voucher then a nightmare trying to redeem against a company called 'deluxe breaks'. Please remove this post before more people get ripped off. I hate these tactics used by voucher companies, I should have known better. At least i can get a refund and i now know never to use go-groopie again, but i'll never get this day back. COLD :disappointed:
crystal18
22 Jul 16#113
I went early last year and had a lovely mini break - we did the salt mines too. Trains and trams were all very easy though having B&B made it better still. My daughter starts her GCSE History in September so is keen to go - the school trip is oversubscribed. But I can't work out whether 3 of us can go (husband too) or if we have to buy the tickets/vouchers in pairs. Any one know please?
Red Devil PJB
22 Jul 16#112
Testing 123, my posts do not seem to be showing up!
Meathotukdeals
22 Jul 16#111
Yeah ignore everything you wrote, apart from one description that consisted of two words.
robertoegg
22 Jul 16#110
In fact, a lot of countries operate a two-tiered system for the entrance to places of interest. It's probably as much to do with educating their own as it is a revenue stream from tourists.
I went to Cuba recently; average government wage is 35 USD per month. A company like Apple could nearly pick up the Cuba's entire wage tab with it's profits (yearly wage bill = $45bn / yearly profits = $35bn). One company. Combine Apple and Microsoft and you'd have change. Maybe people think that's fine, maybe people think that's obscene.
I had no problem in paying the inflated tourist rate in cuba when I realised that I take about 4 months worth of salary when I go for a few beers and a kebab! How insane is that?
Red Devil PJB
22 Jul 16#109
Testing 123, my posts do not seem to be showing up!
BenderRodriguez
22 Jul 162#108
According to this logic, London Eye tickets should be 75% off for Polish tourists less and double the price for Swiss visitors?
jukie
22 Jul 16#107
i vote this deal cold, company has terrible reviews, why would anyone buy a voucher in the hope that they can then get flights when they want.
IMO better to book independently both flights and hotel, Krakow is a great place.
as for Auschwitz, again IMO its a must see place.
deltadrew89
22 Jul 16#106
Does anyone know if it'd cost a lot extra to take an under 2 year old with you (will be 17 months)? x
rudy691
22 Jul 161#105
it's not a 'tourist attraction' - it's a museum of holocaust. the aim of it was so people don't forget about what happened and as a reminder to not let this happen again.
there's actually few other sites turned into museums too, but Auschwitz was the biggest one. You would be surprised as too how many people have no idea what happened there.
rd3d2
22 Jul 16#104
Just had a call to say that there are no dates left for Nov/Dec this year!!
Brunel
22 Jul 16#103
Lovely city, lovely friendly people.
Auschwitz and the salt mines are well worth visiting.
As has been said though Auschwitz can be sobering, and definitely thought provoking.
seany1977
22 Jul 161#102
I would like to go to Krakow but the Auschwitz tour seems off to me. Turning Auschwitz into a 'tourist attraction' does not seem right.
GermanIrishUK
22 Jul 161#101
Cannot believe the comments posted by another member implying that anyone who voted for Brexit would better look elsewhere for an expedition. Have been to Auschwitz and six or seven other Concentration Camps and so called Extermination Camps. I voted OUT in part because of NON reconciled European History ... I speak six EU languages for a living and live in both Italy and the UK.
If any of you voted Leave please consider this trip . It wrung my heart.
Angel_Of_The_North
22 Jul 161#100
Ah! Brilliant! I've only been checking Newcaslte, Manchester and Edinburgh. I didn't think of Liverpool! Thanks Deeky you're a star!
deeky
22 Jul 161#99
You could go from Liverpool but the kids would have to wag school on the Friday 21st :laughing: and it's a bit more expensive, about £95
Angel_Of_The_North
22 Jul 16#98
Thanks Deeky. It seems I can only book through EasyJet from 1/11/16 until March 2017. Ideally I'm looking at October half term. Bloody typical!!
GermanIrishUK
22 Jul 16#97
robertoegg
22 Jul 161#96
I'm struggling to understand the point you're making here. Not the ridiculous "trying to show us you are educated...." comment, but the following line. I've read it a few times now but it doesn't really make sense to me. What link does it make to what I typed?
deeky
22 Jul 16#95
Thanks for that. I just didn't think it was in very good taste, that's all.
I booked the hotel with Booking.com and the flights direct with Easyjet
Angel_Of_The_North
22 Jul 16#92
Who did you book with Deeky?
strewth
22 Jul 161#91
Thanks for that Hodgey.
I thought it was a fantastic deal until I read the comments about this company.
It pays to read every post in a thread, whether it be about the quality of an item or a holiday.
The OP seems more concerned with 'heat', than people having to deal with a company with an appalling reputation.
Feel for anyone who has 'bought' this deal, may not get what they were expecting and having to fight to get a refund.
barron201253
22 Jul 16#90
Good deal going myself August.
seaniboy
22 Jul 16#89
Anyone who voted out because public services and housing are stretched IS uneducated, the money for these services started being borrowed further and paid direct to 'parents' as child tax credits, but you wont moan about that hand out that actually also entraps poverty in a 16 hour week cycle and eradicates public services spending.
Whinging pomes springs to mind.
bogglebrain
22 Jul 16#88
Haven't you seen Quadrophenia
daletharper
22 Jul 162#87
I thought this was a post about a short stay in Krakow, it seems to have turned into anything but.
Georgedeals
22 Jul 162#86
Wow very Political for a Holiday comment , are you trying to show us you are educated or something, Maybe we should not go to other parts of the world where they have had War, Well that only leaves Brighton
drummerdickens
22 Jul 16#85
Can someone help clarify something; it says "Per person" but I cannot find anything that explains exactly what I'm buying for the £79.
If I buy one of these for £79 will two people get a flight each and a hotel room to stay? Or will that only cover one set of flights? It very clearly states that one purchase is PER PERSON but that doesn't make sense, as I could presumably buy two of these separately and get two hotel rooms.
What am I buying if I want flights for two people sharing one room?
ryanstewart456
22 Jul 163#84
Oh get over it!
One does not need to be a citizen in the EU to experience other cultures and history!
How about you learn exactly what the EU is and stands for before you continue throwing the toys out of the pram.
kireir
22 Jul 161#83
A 2013 statement, to which you realise only 2 households per town are questioned and a general number taken for the national statistics? More live in "poverty levels" than the wage you state.
Citing one extreme to another is just ignorance, but hey, I could care less!
kireir
22 Jul 16#82
Back to OP!
I voted cold, have had nothing but issues with the company and previous bookings, while the price is good, I personally could do without the hassle of being passed pillar to post and no one validating the order!
deeky
22 Jul 16#81
See post #71
easyjet
hotel kazimierz ii
November
robertoegg
22 Jul 162#80
British "assumption" from here - Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings, 2013 Provisional Results | 12 December 2013 (page 36).
Whoops! Peddling truth and fact again! Caught me out eh?!
DTR
22 Jul 16#79
Looking at the previous posted link to MSE, this company gets slated. Does anyone on here have any experience with them?
robertoegg
22 Jul 161#78
I think you need to take your morally outraged self off and have a little study of what Racism is. It is a very powerful term that is belittled by people who use it in an inappropriate manner.
Here is the definition of the term Little Englander. Quite accurate, I think you'll find:
"Little Englander" is an epithet applied in criticisms of British nationalists, English nationalists, or English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being "ignorant" and "boorish".
oldskooler75
22 Jul 16#77
Anything from Manchester??
robertoegg
22 Jul 16#76
Ahh, I see. Spelling aside, I've always viewed it as jazz because previously I'd only ever seen it's type in the uk. There's a great little Scottish outfit called Moishe's Bagel who we've seen several times when they come down south who are influenced by this music, and, there used to be a Friday lunchtime series of concerts at the Royal Albert Hall (in one of the cafes) which used to showcase world music with a lot of gypsy and klezmer. I think the series was called Ignite?
Anyway, we caught a couple of lunchtime recitals which were very good but the stand-out was dinner at Klezmer-Hois
restaurant which is decked out authentically for the tourists and has top musicians.
Can't beat city breaks to Europe. So educational...
deeky
22 Jul 16#75
Thanks OP. Haven't booked this but I went last year and the post made me want to go again.
Just booked 5 nights BnB in November, in the same Jewish Quarter hotel we stayed in last year (£138 for 5 nights BnB), and direct flights from Manchester £128 (out 06.50 and return 18.50) for £133 each for 2 of us, so well chuffed.
FRZ
22 Jul 16#74
Ok Thanks :smile:. Really interested in this but doing the whole voucher method seems a bit confusing to me.
kireir
22 Jul 16#73
Assumption!!
Big Phil
22 Jul 16#72
Awwww man! Would love this to be from Newcastle also :-(
marion1984
22 Jul 162#71
That's because we haven't left yet...
gtd65
22 Jul 161#70
Would like to do something like this trip for the money but it's too far from here in Scotland to go "down South" for the flights.
As some have mentioned it's likey to be a tad on the chilly side at that time of year....
Wouldn't mind doing the Auschwitz tour (spent a few years in my younger days based at Belsen with the Army). When I was working in Israel in 2004/2005, I decided to visit the holocaust museum in Jerusalem but on the day I went it was closed.
Just as I was about to turn around there was a local chap who asked if he could help and I just happened to notice the memorial for the victims of Bergen Belsen and made a passing comment that my "Great Uncle Andrew" had liberated the camp back in the day... All of sudden the doors were unlocked and I was given a personal tour of the museum!
A few years back I did decide to look into Holocaust denial and I have to say it brings up some interesting points...this was mainly after seeing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the President of Iran being interviewed on a few shows on TV...
After all - billions believe in the son of a virgin without blinking an eye... :wink:
lordpt
22 Jul 163#69
Good for catching pokemon.
gtd65
22 Jul 16#68
Deutsche Bank predicts that the Euro will be worth US 89c by the end of 2016 - so it could actually be even cheaper but I was under the impression that Poland used the Zloty?
rmboss
22 Jul 161#67
Krakow is in Poland, Poland is not a eastern European Country.
dodgymix
22 Jul 16#66
so shorts and tshirt rather than vest and speedos?
captain_gravy
22 Jul 16#65
There's a bus stop right outside the airport and buses run to the city centre frequently. Quite cheap. Can't remember how much but only a few Euros.
MikeT
22 Jul 162#64
This is a deals thread so please stay on topic and no name calling. Posts going against the code of conduct or quoting same will be removed.
Jonsmyname
22 Jul 161#63
Cold, reviews are awful and this deal should be expired as clearly what you get is vague and product wont meet expectations.
Erinath
22 Jul 16#62
Thanks for sharing that, after reading it I'm not willing to risk ordering anything from that site.
samspud
22 Jul 161#61
How has a holiday deal ended in a big discussion about brexit and the holocaust?! Seriously :confused:
JCod32
22 Jul 161#60
Probably because they need to pay someone who is skilled in several languages to do the foreign language tour.
LynnePlumb41
22 Jul 16#59
Validity
Valid for stays between dates purchased
Must book by 31 Jul 2016
Min. 2 people per booking (prices displayed are per person only)
Min. 2 vouchers must be purchased to complete booking
Multiple bookings permitted
Vouchers are non-refundable once booking confirmed
Would need to by two going by the terms of the deal :innocent:
FRZ
22 Jul 16#58
Can someone please explain. do i just buy 1 for £79 and that covers me and someone else? or can i just buy 1 at £79 to go on my own. Or is it 2 people buy this voucher at £79 totalling to £158 on 1 transaction to do the order.
Thanks! Really wanting to visit auschwitz since learning about it in school.
Newbold
22 Jul 162#57
Spoken like a true policeman - are you from Yorkshire, with their fine record, by any chance?
joetootell
22 Jul 161#56
all these deals are always flying from london :disappointed:
LynnePlumb41
22 Jul 16#55
Thanks for all the heat folks :smiley::smiley::smiley:
miaomiaobaubau
22 Jul 16#54
as a normal holiday sounds right, as a horror holiday it is very sad
jamhole
22 Jul 16#53
exactly. as a police officer, i see this all the time when there are EDL marches. whenever there is trouble, it's rarely the EDL that start it, it's always the Knuckle dragging lentil munching tree hugging deeply deluded Unite Against Fascism morons that start all the fights.
barbiegirl
22 Jul 161#52
You mean Klezmer my friend, not kelzer. It's Jewish music, violin dominated with similar roots to Romany / Gypsy.
kamenitzabrit
22 Jul 161#51
I quite agree - imagine if the 'remain' camp had won the vote, and those who voted to leave had started howling in rage, setting up online petitions etc and demanding another vote - can you guess what some of the headlines might have said about racists being bad losers and so on ?
It always makes me laugh when anyone with right wing views is labelled a racist, nazi etc, then you see the mobs of lefties out in force trying to disrupt any sort of march or meeting, and deny some British citizens their legal right to freedom of speech (And the mobs usually contain a fair sprinkling of non-Brits who are here milking the system).
chocci
22 Jul 162#50
:confused:
the original diary, including letters and loose sheets, were willed to the Dutch Institute for War Documentation, who commissioned a forensic study of the diary through the Netherlands Ministry of Justice in 1986. They examined the handwriting against known examples and found that they matched. They determined that the paper, glue, and ink were readily available during the time the diary was said to have been written. They concluded that the diary is authentic, and their findings were published in what has become known as the "Critical Edition" of the diary. On 23 March 1990, the Hamburg Regional Court confirmed the diary's authenticity.
kamenitzabrit
22 Jul 16#49
To spend 6 hours on the trip from a very short tour might mean some people would prefer to have extra sightseeing, as it's about half a day gone, so a quarter of the free time ?
There are other reasons of course, but that leads us into a very different discussion not ideally suited to this site.
kamenitzabrit
22 Jul 16#48
The reason many of us go to visit 'poorer' eastern European countries is because they are cheaper, so it's possible to have several cheaper holidays rather than one higher priced one, and so locals actually get more tourists and more money coming in to their country, but sadly many of them see us a some sort of 'cash cow' to be fleeced at every opportunity.
I have lived and worked in a different eastern European country where the same thing happened at many tourist attractions. They got around the rules by posting high prices on notices, but gave their own citizens a cheaper price, so my friends used to buy the tickets for me as I was working at their wage rate. The fools didn't seem to realise that they were actually endangering their tourist industry, because some features of these places like increased chance of pickpocketing by the local ethnic minority, mean that there has to be an upside like cheap prices, to justify going.
Expat forums have frequent discussions on this topic, so I realise there are two very different but equally entrenched points of view.
Newbold
22 Jul 163#47
Shame that pretty much everything you've written there is incorrect. Are you reading the Express or the Mail?
kamenitzabrit
22 Jul 161#46
It's actually a very good saving if you live in or near Manchester, as not everyone lives in London ! Please explain how the comparison is not relevant ?
You've posted a good deal at a good price, but why the defensive attitude when someone points out a possible saving ? I don't live near either, but still like to see other options printed here in case someone finds them useful.
samspud
22 Jul 162#45
We don't all live in London
kalico
22 Jul 16#44
It may seem cheap now, but by November the Pound could be much weaker. I suppose it's all relative, so Krakow/Poland will still be less expensive than, say, Rome or Madrid etc.
chocci
22 Jul 162#43
:confused:
the original diary, including letters and loose sheets, were willed to the Dutch Institute for War Documentation, who commissioned a forensic study of the diary through the Netherlands Ministry of Justice in 1986. They examined the handwriting against known examples and found that they matched. They determined that the paper, glue, and ink were readily available during the time the diary was said to have been written. They concluded that the diary is authentic, and their findings were published in what has become known as the "Critical Edition" of the diary. On 23 March 1990, the Hamburg Regional Court confirmed the diary's authenticity.
atro24
22 Jul 16#42
chocci
22 Jul 162#41
Very large numbers of people agree with me :smiley: Ridiculous lies appeared from both campaigns.
But to call leave voters uneducated selfish racists is indefensible. Hang your head in shame.
chewbaccas_nan
22 Jul 161#40
Krakow is fantastic and the Auschwitz tour. If you get chance do a tour of the salt mines too
rootbeer
22 Jul 161#39
Remember Obama said we would be at the back of the queue. Now they want to renegotiate and said we are at the front of the queue. Remember the IMF saying we would be worse off. Now they have revised and we are better off than all of the EU. Etc etc.
And don't even bother looking at the real facts when you go into Auschwitz. Always amazes me when people don't even know about the Anne Frank court case where her father putchased the story and handwriting experts show it's a fake. If only he hadn't been so greedy and paid up no one would have found out.
Newbold
22 Jul 161#38
That may be your view. But it's not a view shared by very large numbers of people who disagree with you. If you listen to the 'strong and genuine belief' you hear what it was all about - keeping out refugees and immigrants. You also hear the sheer stupidity of the arguments, and the low intelligence of the average Brexit voter. I won't even mention all the lies that these gullible people were daft enough to believe - what happened to all the lies about the £350m pw going into the NHS for example?
chocci
22 Jul 16#37
Back on topic.
I agree. The deal is for a voucher with no information of flight times etc. Might not be such a great deal if flights are landing at 1am in krakow or departing krakow at 6am.
I even doubt anyone has even taken up this deal from the listing on hukd yet it makes the top deal of the day board.
chocci
22 Jul 161#36
Its moronic statements like that which brought us to where we are today . Deal with it. That is a gross insult to the many millions of people who came out to vote to ‘Leave’ and did so with a strong and genuine belief.
I am afraid that is just the sort of attitude which has characterised the views of many of the EU as a remote institution deaf to the concerns of ordinary people.
Idiot? Sore loser? Or just making a sensible comment after one day of madness by uneducated, selfish racists one month ago? :confused:
chocci
22 Jul 16#33
No need to be an idiot
Ivanhoe____
22 Jul 16#32
+1. Also although it might not sound like it should be, the salt mine is well worth a visit, as LynnPlumb 41 mentioned.
daletharper
22 Jul 16#31
We had a great time in Krakow, I didn't go to Auchwitz as I went to Krakow to enjoy myself and thought it would be depressing, some of the others in our group went and said it was thought provoking and worth visiting. The plus side is that Krakow is cheap, we went for a meal and gave more in tips than the price of the meal.
Red Devil PJB
22 Jul 161#30
Awe, we a bit of a sore loser there, diddums.
Spartan88
22 Jul 16#29
Really? I was there in Oct 2015 and it is a proper train that gets you to the city quickly, cheaply and comfortably.
robertoegg
22 Jul 161#28
Average Polish wage - €730/month
Average British wage - €2130/month
robertoegg
22 Jul 168#27
Do it Do it Do it!! Krakow is STUNNING!!!!! Auschwitz is hugely sobering.... I recommend getting into the old Jewish quarter of Krakow and finding some of the traditional jazz - kezler jazz. When you find out that about 2000 Jews survived out of 60,000, man....that hits hard.
Be warned though, you might find that you meet people and learn things that make you sympathise with the EU ideals. I'd hate for any of you little Englanders to go and get educated on what the great wild world actually entails. Suggest if you're keen to "retain your sovereignty", you pass this over and hit up a nice secluded all-inclusive somewhere. #still #ashamed
OVI12345
21 Jul 16#26
"Must book by 31 Jul 2016"
biuro74
21 Jul 16#25
You have to wait few years for any bigger impact. There was no divorce yet, just intention.
Bogart
21 Jul 161#24
Is a pity they charge you more to visit the salt mines if you are not polish! Against EU regulations I am sure it must be.
Bogart
21 Jul 16#23
More like a glorified tram but at least it gets you there.
RedLozzer
21 Jul 162#22
Airlines buy their fuel way in advance, the drop in the pound will affect ticket prices in the future as the higher prices they are paying for fuel are factored into the ticket prices. The results of Brexit will take a good few months to filter through to the ordinary person on the street. No one really knows what will happen long term either way but making comments about how Brexit has changed/not changed things after a few weeks are foolish.
notavalidaddress
21 Jul 161#21
You can get a train from Krakow Airport to Krakow Glowny which is the town centre. It costs about £1.50 each way.
You probably mean the hotel though - looks like it's in the middle of nowhere. Taxis are cheap, in fact everything is pretty cheap in Krakow compared to UK Prices.
Have some perogi.
Mori
21 Jul 16#20
Looks like brexit hasn't had that big a hit on flights after all
danad1551
21 Jul 161#17
Just priced 14th-17th November from Manchester- budget air line RA- staying at same hotel though aroma- flights £46 each, hotel £128- total cost £220 this is staying 1 EXTRA night to. This website is charging £298 for 3 nights,1 night less!!
And ok I havent included trip to Auschwitz but been there it cost buttons and easily accessed on public transport.
So save yourself £80 -get 1 extra night and book it yourself
LynnePlumb41 to danad1551
21 Jul 161#19
Not a saving if you have to travel Manchester, pay for parking etc soon not really saving anything? This was 79pp from London so your comparison isn't really relevant... But thanks for spending the time to try and pick apart what looks like a great deal :smirk: can't please some people
Jamie200
21 Jul 16#18
Been there, hot deal!
Sumpong
21 Jul 16#16
Anyway to find out the flight times? 2 nights with bad flight times might only give you a day in Krakow.
hooray henry
21 Jul 161#15
Nice city, was there 10 years ago, gave the death camp tour a miss.
friendlyfire321
21 Jul 16#14
Cheap as chips
Davethedealmaker
21 Jul 16#10
Great deal but do you have to go on the Auschwitz tour?
RedLozzer to Davethedealmaker
21 Jul 162#12
why wouldn't you want to go?
thomasleep to Davethedealmaker
21 Jul 165#13
What do you think, I mean really you do not know the answer ? You will be forced to go there? that would not happen for oh so many obvious reasons
jen0107
21 Jul 16#11
This looks like a great deal.
Doesn't seem to be public transport links to Krakow centre?
fossit
21 Jul 161#8
79per person
twist to fossit
21 Jul 16#9
Doh, should've read properly. Thanks
twist
21 Jul 16#7
Min. 2 vouchers must be purchased to complete booking? So it's 2 sharing but you have to buy 2 vouchers making it 160 quid?
AndyPr
21 Jul 161#6
Great city, lovely people, great price and the Auschwitz Birkenau visit, although sobering is something everyone should do. The salt mines are are really good too. Thanks for posting. Heat.
techniques
21 Jul 163#5
I went last December. Beautiful polish city, right up there with Prague and Budapest for me. It was a large coat and wooly hat weather when I went, but they had all the Christmas markets set up with hot apple cider and mulled wine, so it wasn't too bad.
The Auschwitz tour is definitely a sobering experience, but an enriching experience nontheless. All in all, this is a smashing deal for people looking for a weekend getaway to an amazing city in Europe.
P.s. great bars/night life. Everything is really cheap too. Damn, now I really want to go back.
gerry7230
21 Jul 16#3
What's the weather like there at that time of year? been in June and it's hot.Krakov is amazing
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Had this in an email from gogroopie and the price looks amazing
Visited the Auschwitz memorial on my trip to Krakow in 2014 and would recommend it also the Wieliczka Salt Mine is really interesting:
http://www.wieliczka-saltmine.com/
Krakow isn't for everyone but there's a lot to see and do
Lots of different prices and departure airports, staying at:
http://www.sympozjum.com.pl/en
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Be warned though, you might find that you meet people and learn things that make you sympathise with the EU ideals. I'd hate for any of you little Englanders to go and get educated on what the great wild world actually entails. Suggest if you're keen to "retain your sovereignty", you pass this over and hit up a nice secluded all-inclusive somewhere. #still #ashamed
One does not need to be a citizen in the EU to experience other cultures and history!
How about you learn exactly what the EU is and stands for before you continue throwing the toys out of the pram.
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Plus you paid £40 extra to get a morning outbound and evening inbound,
Auschwitz (can see everything in under a hour) is not really the place to go for the full experience - Birkenau is far,far more sobering (you will need over an hour).
As you gaze on the tracks leading people to the 'showers', in the holocaust - You might like to reflect the Germans never really change their ways.... Now a Animal holocaust is currently occurring due to EU rules - in similar mega slaughter houses like Berkenau which have sprung up due to the EU allowing animals to be killed by Religious slaughter, millions of animals (30% of UK meat) are inhumanely killed by non stun barbaric halal slaughter. (The RSPCA/Animal welfare council says they die in horrific agony taking upto 2 mins to drown in their own blood when the neck is sliced open). Consumers are not allowed to know - made illegal by EU food labelling directives (EU directive No 1169/2011)
Oh- Stay out of the Jewish synagogue museum. Paid something like £10, and it was simply 3 bunches of blown up photos of the polish ghetto which took about 5 mins to see. Outrageous IMO compared to what else is on offer. The castle is better, but has a only a few tapestries, paintings, old chairs sat in by the tzar that sort of thing etc...
Lots of bands play live in the 'pibs' in the 'Jewish quarter' - pretty good place to go in a evening. Watch the beer - can be 12% alcohol.
As for it being freezing, it's a city break - If I wanted a hot holiday I would have booked a hotter country.
The Auschwitz tour is probably the main attraction that I'm sure most visitors do the Krakow so I'm not sure why you would leave it out.
I have no idea why this is a hot deal when you see it like that
The flights they offer you are are a late flight out there and an early flight back so you technically miss a day.. I paid £40 extra which got me early flights out, late flights back, breakfast over the 3 days (which I think won it for me
I dont think so coupled with the reviews of go groopie and the fact you buy the voucher before you know what you are getting, avoid.
DIY ,you could do 3 or 4 nights for few pounds more and Krakow is worth more than 2 nights
Ignore the 'hot' rating. It is not £79pp!! The go-groopie website is misleading you into thinking that each voucher is for 2 people . I have just spent all day trying to book for me and my friends. I purchased 3 vouchers at £149 each (the 3 night regional airport option) for 6 of us to go. The website highlights that the voucher is for "2 sharing one room" but hidden in the small print it says that you have to purchase one voucher per person so it is in fact double the cost advertised. Even if the price was correct it was still an absolute ball ache trying to firstly purchase the voucher then a nightmare trying to redeem against a company called 'deluxe breaks'. Please remove this post before more people get ripped off. I hate these tactics used by voucher companies, I should have known better. At least i can get a refund and i now know never to use go-groopie again, but i'll never get this day back. COLD :disappointed:
I went to Cuba recently; average government wage is 35 USD per month. A company like Apple could nearly pick up the Cuba's entire wage tab with it's profits (yearly wage bill = $45bn / yearly profits = $35bn). One company. Combine Apple and Microsoft and you'd have change. Maybe people think that's fine, maybe people think that's obscene.
I had no problem in paying the inflated tourist rate in cuba when I realised that I take about 4 months worth of salary when I go for a few beers and a kebab! How insane is that?
IMO better to book independently both flights and hotel, Krakow is a great place.
as for Auschwitz, again IMO its a must see place.
there's actually few other sites turned into museums too, but Auschwitz was the biggest one. You would be surprised as too how many people have no idea what happened there.
Auschwitz and the salt mines are well worth visiting.
As has been said though Auschwitz can be sobering, and definitely thought provoking.
If any of you voted Leave please consider this trip . It wrung my heart.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-13/auschwitz-birkenau-state-museum-bans-visitors-from-playing-pokemon-go-on-its-premises/
I thought it was a fantastic deal until I read the comments about this company.
It pays to read every post in a thread, whether it be about the quality of an item or a holiday.
The OP seems more concerned with 'heat', than people having to deal with a company with an appalling reputation.
Feel for anyone who has 'bought' this deal, may not get what they were expecting and having to fight to get a refund.
Whinging pomes springs to mind.
If I buy one of these for £79 will two people get a flight each and a hotel room to stay? Or will that only cover one set of flights? It very clearly states that one purchase is PER PERSON but that doesn't make sense, as I could presumably buy two of these separately and get two hotel rooms.
What am I buying if I want flights for two people sharing one room?
One does not need to be a citizen in the EU to experience other cultures and history!
How about you learn exactly what the EU is and stands for before you continue throwing the toys out of the pram.
Citing one extreme to another is just ignorance, but hey, I could care less!
I voted cold, have had nothing but issues with the company and previous bookings, while the price is good, I personally could do without the hassle of being passed pillar to post and no one validating the order!
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Polish "assumption" from here - http://stat.gov.pl/sygnalne/komunikaty-i-obwieszczenia/lista-komunikatow-i-obwieszczen/komunikat-w-sprawie-przecietnego-miesiecznego-wynagrodzenia-w-sektorze-przedsiebiorstw-bez-wyplat-nagrod-z-zysku-w-grudniu-2015-r-,57,25.html?pdf=1
Whoops! Peddling truth and fact again! Caught me out eh?!
Here is the definition of the term Little Englander. Quite accurate, I think you'll find:
"Little Englander" is an epithet applied in criticisms of British nationalists, English nationalists, or English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being "ignorant" and "boorish".
Anyway, we caught a couple of lunchtime recitals which were very good but the stand-out was dinner at Klezmer-Hois
restaurant which is decked out authentically for the tourists and has top musicians.
Can't beat city breaks to Europe. So educational...
Just booked 5 nights BnB in November, in the same Jewish Quarter hotel we stayed in last year (£138 for 5 nights BnB), and direct flights from Manchester £128 (out 06.50 and return 18.50) for £133 each for 2 of us, so well chuffed.
As some have mentioned it's likey to be a tad on the chilly side at that time of year....
Wouldn't mind doing the Auschwitz tour (spent a few years in my younger days based at Belsen with the Army). When I was working in Israel in 2004/2005, I decided to visit the holocaust museum in Jerusalem but on the day I went it was closed.
Just as I was about to turn around there was a local chap who asked if he could help and I just happened to notice the memorial for the victims of Bergen Belsen and made a passing comment that my "Great Uncle Andrew" had liberated the camp back in the day... All of sudden the doors were unlocked and I was given a personal tour of the museum!
A few years back I did decide to look into Holocaust denial and I have to say it brings up some interesting points...this was mainly after seeing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the President of Iran being interviewed on a few shows on TV...
After all - billions believe in the son of a virgin without blinking an eye... :wink:
Valid for stays between dates purchased
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Would need to by two going by the terms of the deal :innocent:
Thanks! Really wanting to visit auschwitz since learning about it in school.
It always makes me laugh when anyone with right wing views is labelled a racist, nazi etc, then you see the mobs of lefties out in force trying to disrupt any sort of march or meeting, and deny some British citizens their legal right to freedom of speech (And the mobs usually contain a fair sprinkling of non-Brits who are here milking the system).
the original diary, including letters and loose sheets, were willed to the Dutch Institute for War Documentation, who commissioned a forensic study of the diary through the Netherlands Ministry of Justice in 1986. They examined the handwriting against known examples and found that they matched. They determined that the paper, glue, and ink were readily available during the time the diary was said to have been written. They concluded that the diary is authentic, and their findings were published in what has become known as the "Critical Edition" of the diary. On 23 March 1990, the Hamburg Regional Court confirmed the diary's authenticity.
There are other reasons of course, but that leads us into a very different discussion not ideally suited to this site.
I have lived and worked in a different eastern European country where the same thing happened at many tourist attractions. They got around the rules by posting high prices on notices, but gave their own citizens a cheaper price, so my friends used to buy the tickets for me as I was working at their wage rate. The fools didn't seem to realise that they were actually endangering their tourist industry, because some features of these places like increased chance of pickpocketing by the local ethnic minority, mean that there has to be an upside like cheap prices, to justify going.
Expat forums have frequent discussions on this topic, so I realise there are two very different but equally entrenched points of view.
You've posted a good deal at a good price, but why the defensive attitude when someone points out a possible saving ? I don't live near either, but still like to see other options printed here in case someone finds them useful.
the original diary, including letters and loose sheets, were willed to the Dutch Institute for War Documentation, who commissioned a forensic study of the diary through the Netherlands Ministry of Justice in 1986. They examined the handwriting against known examples and found that they matched. They determined that the paper, glue, and ink were readily available during the time the diary was said to have been written. They concluded that the diary is authentic, and their findings were published in what has become known as the "Critical Edition" of the diary. On 23 March 1990, the Hamburg Regional Court confirmed the diary's authenticity.
But to call leave voters uneducated selfish racists is indefensible. Hang your head in shame.
And don't even bother looking at the real facts when you go into Auschwitz. Always amazes me when people don't even know about the Anne Frank court case where her father putchased the story and handwriting experts show it's a fake. If only he hadn't been so greedy and paid up no one would have found out.
I agree. The deal is for a voucher with no information of flight times etc. Might not be such a great deal if flights are landing at 1am in krakow or departing krakow at 6am.
I even doubt anyone has even taken up this deal from the listing on hukd yet it makes the top deal of the day board.
I am afraid that is just the sort of attitude which has characterised the views of many of the EU as a remote institution deaf to the concerns of ordinary people.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4692877
It's a brilliant deal if it goes smoothly but I decided against it.
Heat added.
Average British wage - €2130/month
Be warned though, you might find that you meet people and learn things that make you sympathise with the EU ideals. I'd hate for any of you little Englanders to go and get educated on what the great wild world actually entails. Suggest if you're keen to "retain your sovereignty", you pass this over and hit up a nice secluded all-inclusive somewhere. #still #ashamed
You probably mean the hotel though - looks like it's in the middle of nowhere. Taxis are cheap, in fact everything is pretty cheap in Krakow compared to UK Prices.
Have some perogi.
And ok I havent included trip to Auschwitz but been there it cost buttons and easily accessed on public transport.
So save yourself £80 -get 1 extra night and book it yourself
Doesn't seem to be public transport links to Krakow centre?
The Auschwitz tour is definitely a sobering experience, but an enriching experience nontheless. All in all, this is a smashing deal for people looking for a weekend getaway to an amazing city in Europe.
P.s. great bars/night life. Everything is really cheap too. Damn, now I really want to go back.