Why? £30 more for a 1070. Not worth it at all.

Unless you already have a 980Ti.

Shocked these slower cards are not at least half price.....squeeeeeeeeeeeze every cent out of the public EVGA....*facepalm*

I would not worry that much about a useless 8gb on a card that does not need it not even in C/F. You will be lucky to get a non faulty card if the second batch is already been produced. The first batch with 4/8gb did not meet the pci-e specifications

expire...

Expire this please, it's now £476

What are the chances of the 4gb being unlockable to 8gb? I'm guessing all that stock is gone and now only actual 4gb cards

But you threw it out there that SLI will add between 30 and 70%, as if that number actually means something.

30-70% *max* FPS, but you certainly don't get a 30-70% better experience. A single GFX card that offers 30-70% *max* FPS generally does translate to that 'better experience'.

Exactly why I put for example- couldn't be bothered to cut and paste an entire suite of test results from Hexus :smiley:

No... its not just bad scaling its the over feel you get micro stutter you get low averages. Comparing 1 game is dumb and 20% is massive it can mean the difference between 60 fps or not. Point still stands always get the best single card setup for gaming.

That depends on the game and resolution but considering (for example) a 1080 vs 980Ti on Rise of the Tomb Raider, is only 20% faster, pretty much across the board. Generally an Sli set up will add between 30 and 70% with the 980Tis (dependent on the game and resolution), which should take it over a 1080.

As to whether you would want to, I suppose that's down to personal choice :smiley: If I had a Ti instead of a 980 I might, as I would want to wait to see what the 1080 Titan/Ti could deliver.

This is faster than a founders edition 1070 just not as power efficient.

No current card "easily" runs games at 4k 60fps without turning down the settings. The 970 will probably run 4k at medium settings, but I doubt even then it consistently stays at 60fps.

Rx480 isn't any better than the 970 according to reviews and from what I've read it won't do 4K
The 970 is a great card and partnered with a 4K 60hz panel it easily runs games at 4K. I should know I've got both
Therefore I can't see a reason to get the 480.

Rx480 isn't any better than the 970 according to reviews and from what I've read it won't do 4K
The 970 is a great card and partnered with a 4K 60hz panel it easily runs games at 4K. I should know I've got both
Therefore I can't see a reason to get the 480.

Oh right, I must have imagined the fantastic performance I got from 2 780Ti's up until March last year!

The only reason I am not still using them is that 3gb vram was just a bit short for 1440p for the most part with newer games.

When you say SLI is crap, is that you speaking from experience or are you simply regurggitating nonsense spouted by people online who have never used more than 1 card?

LOL no it doesnt at all, its a pile of crap even in 2016, for benchmarks its okay, but for games its crap.

£380 for a GTX1070, was that one of the nasty cheap plastic cooler editions?

Bingo. Best value card out now is probably the RX480 4gb posted on here for £173.99 at overclockers. For those with more to spend a 1070 can be had for £380, you've just got to be patient.

When SLI scales well (which it does for the most part), SLI 980Ti's absolutely demolish a single 1080.

Not really why would you wanna sli old cards now... do it at release or never. 1080 still better than sli 980tis.

I currently own a 980Ti. I previously had a 970. Prior to that, I had 780Ti SLI which is very close to 970 SLI performance (close to identical). I also had a Titan X in amongst that lot. My 1080 will be here tomorrow.

So to answer your question, yes I have owned or currently own the gpu's in question.

970 sli, Titan X,
980Ti and 1070 are all pretty comparable in terms of performance, all with their own set of advantages and disadvantages.

Do you own these cards ? If not, please do not make claims based on a lot of rubbish is told us by these wasting time reviews on the web. Many of these reviews are carried out in an unfair way and I only treat them as an indication or opinion.
It is also obvious that if these cards are tested with the wrong cpu, they cannot of course give a full scaling on some games. Some games would still scale well on a 2 cores intel very happily. Anyway, problems in sli are usually seen at lower resolutions like 1080p. The higher the better, at 4k would use less cpu and scale nicely at 100% very often
I exaggerated saying 50% but definitely near to at least 30/35% but for sure slightly better than a single gtx1080

970 SLI isn't anywhere close to being 50% faster than a 980Ti. The performance difference is marginal which can be closed even further with overclocking (of course 970SLI can be overclocked also). It is, on average, less than 10% quicker than a 980Ti at stock.

Given how close the 2 setups are in peak performance, I would never recommend going SLI, as in games that scale poorly/ not at all then you are only ever getting ~50-60% performance, whereas on a single card you are always getting 100% performance.

970 sli never had a problem

Slightly interested in the 1080

even my very old crap amd6950 can do 4k and despite living in modern times can see that ignorance always prevails over the common sense and therefore, never listen what common people have to say about as surely they got no hardware that they can test. If you lower the gaming setting on a gtx980ti you can also get few 100's pfs @4k on almost any modern game. Anyway, get another gtx 970 in sli and you will be at least a good 50% ahead over a single gtx980ti. I use gtx970sli. You can also beat the single gtx1080 with a 970 sli even so by a little in some games and more in others

Can anyone recommend 980ti for playing games at 4K at 30fps ? 30fps as I will be using game stream to my tv

Checked online and people says it's not a 4K card, but at 30fps ?

I have been offered one of these cheap, currently using 970

a false saving over a gtx1070, not here to mention all the advantages of the 1070 but as a newer gpu will also keep the value for longer and therefore also regain the little extra expense if eventually sold

Except proper review sites...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_SC/

I mean, a youtube video with 5k views... Or a proper website with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of hits....


I mean, if you ignore all the reviews there, ok fine!

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_SC/24.html

In most benchmarks this beats the 1070 especially in lower resolutions. Only the 1080 beat out the 980ti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYoisqGW6n8

According to Techpowerup dual cards by both camps are getting around an average of a 50% boost when you include all games. That's at 4K and below that it can be a lot less.

​Says someone who has clearly NEVER used SLI.

Don't get me wrong... A single card solution is always the better option but that's no excuse to go slamming dual card solutions with a bunch of lies proving you've never used SLI.

SLI works that majority of the time. Yes there is the odd game that doesn't support it and the odd AAA title you pre-order then find there is no 0 day SLI support and that can be extremely irritating. However SLI works approx 95% of the time if not more and usually scales to 80-90%.

I used to run SLI and now I'm using a single card. If I could get a good deal I'd happily use SLI again. It's not my preference but a deal is a deal.

Tried SLI with 770s and then 970s... Not a fan. Slightest hiccup annoys the hell out of me.

This is the 980 Ti rather than the 980. The 1060 may well be great value once the pricing settles but some people want more oomph.

Why waste money on this when 1060 is coming out which is i heard is better than 980 and good price

980 TI SLI = 543W. That's as much as a small microwave.

Insane.

The 1080 is only 186w.

Looking at these 2 reviews at 2560x1440:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/24.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_980_Ti_SC_Plus/30.html

1070 FE @Stock = 100%
EVGA 980 Ti SC+ @Stock = 101%
EVGA 980 Ti SC+ @O/C = 110.1%
1070 FE @O/C = 113.4%

So even an FE 1070 beats the EVGA when both are over-clocked.
For overclocked performance I’m using the actual gaming gain not the gain in clock speeds. As only one game is tested when over-clocked it’s not possible to say if that is indicative across all games.

Added. The EVGA GTX 1070 SC does no better than the 1070 FE when both are over-clocked so it's not a good card.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_SC/27.html

Aaaah. Makes sense

2 980 Ti vs 1 1080.

There would be no comparison. The 1080's would be much faster.

Can someone provide a comparison between 980ti SLI and 1080?

A better card with a lower pixel filltate, a lower texture fillrate and a lower memory bus/ bandwith!?

Watch the youtube video I linked in original comment. The cards are, for the most part virtually identical. The 1070 wins some by a few fps the Ti wins some by a few fps.

But when the equivalent cards are priced at £350 for a 980Ti (EVGA SC), and at ~£470 for a 1070 (EVGA SC), then it is hard to argue that the 1070 is the better value card, because quite simply, it isn't.

Not at all.

http://wccftech.com/review/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-armor-x-oc-review/

Even a heavily biased AMD website describes the this AIB as better than any 980 ti AIB.

The 1070 is at least equal or better than the 980ti in every sense.

You are trying to suggest the 1070 is being unfairly compared to 980tis. This isn't the case. The 1070 is simply a better card.

Exactly. It's all reference 980ti VS OC'ed 1070's with custom coolers

The average price for an EVGA SC1070 across 5 of the UK largest etailers (Overclockers, Scan, Aria, Ebuyer & Amazon) is £472.48

£380 for an EVGA SC 1070?

That's not a fair price comparison at all. You can't compare a bad price for the product to a good price.

The standard deal price right now is 380 and those are considered mediocre prices.

I would likely buy 1070 new if they were same price. If the Ti was 10-20% less expensive, I would probably go for Ti. £350 for EVGA SC 980Ti is pretty decent, when a 1070 SC which offers comparitive performance (slightly better out the box, but with slightly less OC headroom) is currently ~£450. Whilst I don't think this is a super hot deal for the 980Ti, it is decent.

It is fair to note that, but as you can see, BF3 appears to be a GPU bottlenecked game as both machines returned nearly identical results and, not only that, the 4770k pulled 102.6 while the 6700k pulled 102.1 with a stock 980 ti.

My point, if you buy new, buy the 1070. If you have a 980 ti, you shouldn't buy ANYTHING. You got a good card still.

This isn't cheap enough for a 980ti right now, 7 days ago there was a 980ti for 310. That's a fair price compared to the 1070.

Yeah ok fair point, only looked at the OC performance and bench details/ settings which doesnt mention AA. It is valid to acknowledge however that the respective benches were carried out on different systems. 4770k at 4.2 using 1600mhz ddr vs 6700k at 4.5ghz using 3000mhz ddr4.

... Are you joking? That's what you try to claim? You can see that they actually DO indeed use the same benches.

You can see this by comparing the benches of the stock 980ti in both of the images.

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_980_Ti_SC_Plus/images/perf_oc.gif

Stock 980ti is 102.6 FPS

https://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_SC/images/perf_oc.png

Stock 980ti is 102.1 FPS.

They are the same.

Wrong. The 1070 SC Battlefield 3 bench is not using 4xAA

I used your links and did a little simple arithmetic of their max overclocks. I also linked to a comparison of a like for like - 2 factory overclocked cards - Strix 980Ti vs. G1 Gaming 1070. The Ti beats it in almost every single test all the way up to 4k.

Sorry, I linked, you didn't. Until you link some reasonable evidence, I think this is silly.

I even linked the SC.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_980_Ti_SC_Plus/33.html

It's behind the 1070 when both are OC'd.

Nate from the benches you show, the 1070 SC can get a max 24% on the core over the FE boost clock. By contrast the 980Ti SC gets a 39% overclock on the core over refernce 980Ti boost clock. That is any advantage the 1070 starts out with completely decimated.

I would never recommend SLI or crossfire. Even when it has superior 'average' FPS, there are micro stutters and other issues. Anyone recommending an SLI solution is bonkers.


I linked and you misquoted. I said, very specifically, stock.

They are nearly identical when you get the right 980ti in the older games.

When it comes to DX12, the 1070 runs away.

And when it comes to games that eat a ton of RAM, the 1070 also excels.

If you have a 980ti, don't buy a 1070.

But if you have to choose between a 1070 and a 980ti, not a CHANCE would I recommend the 980ti for 20-30 less.

No it doesnt. It almost matches 980SLI. 980Ti SLI blows it away (when SLI works and scales well)

You are kidding yourself on if you think a 1070 is 15% faster than a 980Ti

1070 trades blows with 980Ti, it certainly isn't massively more powerful. Most review sites have been comparing reference Ti's with factory overclocked AIB partner 1070's. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-FRuIvGF7U

If you can afford that price for an old card, you can affort the extra few pounds for the 1070. If this was £230 then it might be a bit tasty but even then....

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_SC/24.html

Or... Not.

15% better, at stock, than stock 980 ti. And you can pull out another 10% OC'ing.

And before you say "Yeah but... The 980ti OC's like a beast!

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_980_Ti_SC_Plus/33.html

And let's not forget that these cards are performing better in DX 12 and have 8 GB of VRAM.

30 quid more? Absolutely worth it. (Yes, there are other, more expensive AIB 980 TIs that are closer to the 1070, like this one...)

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_980_Ti_XtremeGaming/26.html

But still, if you are in this range, just to 'match' the 1070 while max OC'd... Why not get the new tech with more VRAM?

This and most other non reference 980ti bench higher than the majority of GTX 1070's so i don't see your point? From all the bench marks I've just looked at its normally around 2-3 frames higher on most games.

If your fave games support it and you're wanting to play at 4k then maybe

Buying PC parts isn't about being sensible at this level of gear ;D

Good price for SLI if you already have one.

£349.99 for an additional GTX980Ti to run in SLI and only achieve around 20-30% additional performance if you're lucky on the few rear games that properly support SLI insane..

It's available in Europe too, but given that you can only do it for 90 days after purchase, there's zero chance of 1070 prices having come down any before it expires.

980ti SLI (if you can deal with all the issues) is generally more powerful than a 1080

Could you buy this and use evga step up program when 1070 prices fall?

Exactly. A 1080 almost matches the 980ti SLI so if you sell your 980ti for say, 300 and buy the 1080 for 550 you're only spending 250 more whereas to get another 980ti would set you back 300 used or 350-400 new. With those numbers it's crazy to

This is a very good price for an excellent card. The 1070 from EVGA is £409 on Amazon and its out of stock. Yes it more powerful but its more expensive. If you are in the market for a High end card you would struggle to beat this deal at this moment in time. Fact

Why? £30 more for a 1070. Not worth it at all.

This isn't a low enough price to warrant buying a brand new 980ti, winter is coming..