1st point of course they are old and used. It's in the deal title. I'm not sure how something could be new and refurbished.

2nd I type this on a perfectly viable i3 powered variant of this machine an E6330 (only difference is the larger screen and outer plastics) the one on offer here is an i5 which is considerably more powerful than my machine which is happily chugging away with internet browsing with a dozen tabs open and playing a video in HD to an external monitor via netflix.

3rd refurbished does not mean repaired, repaired means repaired. Refurbished in business grade machines generally refers to them being returned to a leasing company that supplied the tech to another company to use normally over a period of 3-5 years. The machines are then sold on to a refurb supplier like Newandused, SCCTrade, Rectech etc to wipe, spot clean, reinstall and rebox. If refurbished meant repaired then Argos would be out of business by now.

4th please provide a non refurbished machine with performance levels to match this, that offers at least the same ram, a hard disk space while also being under £120. I await the silence. In fact I'll even let it slide if you find a better deal based on your criteria for under £200.

I don't think you do understand what "value" mean. Can you find me one with similar CPU (none of that Celeron crap) 8GB and 1TB for similar money? No? I thought so.

Can anyone recommend a cheap external cd drive to go with this laptop Windows 10?

Chances are the keyboard has been replaced at some point as they're easy to swap out, so its good its been done :smiley:

RE: the outer case, check ebay as you could probably pick up a new one for a few £ and they' not hard to fit

I picked mine up today. I was initially a little disappointed when I saw the outside of the case because it had some scuffs. But I was surprised to find the screen and keyboard both looked virtually unused. On top of this the battery also seems pretty good. It's been running for about an hour and it's still reporting about 3 hours left. So overall I'm very happy.

Sorry, you'll have to explain that statement a bit more.

Go to the Dell website and into the support section. Where it asks you to enter your service tag enter the code from the bottom of the laptop. Then download the pad drivers. it will be using the stock w7 drivers which dont do 2 finger scrolling

Putting a 3rd party between your machine's OS and malware protection does not in any reality make it more protected.

Managed to receive mine earlier today.

Great little machine, no marks on the screen. Battery life is non existent however.

Has anyone worked out how to enable 2 finger scroll to the trackpad?

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I'm running win 10 perfectly well on two 9 year core2duo dell d620s. One with an ssd and 4gb ram and one other a 500gb HDD and 3gb ram.

If xp is your thing cool, but win10 will run on older stuff too

I have been using XP for ~10 years, so I know it really well and I know it is really stable (one machine was running for 2 years without shutting down the O/S - until the 15 year-old hard drive died one day). I find it works really quickly (especially with an SSD) and reliably, uses under 100MB RAM for a fresh install, and only a couple of Gigs of space on the hard drive. The main problem is finding drivers for more modern machines. What features do Windows 7/8/10 offer that I need? And I really hate Windows Explorer in Win7.

If XP is not a lighter-weight O/S, why does it run perfectly well on older hardware, yet later versions of Windows are sluggish?

I'm not entirely sure where you get the idea that XP is a lighter-weight OS from. While I like XP (and keep a few disks in my service pouch) downgrading a W7 machine short of needing it for a specific program is not really the greatest idea. XP vs W7 in terms of RAM use on a basic assessment will seem to show that XP runs using less RAM. When you see what's in RAM in W7 you realise that it adapts to use RAM more sensibly and caches files to make the system run more quickly.

I'm failing to see why you would want to use a 32bit environment when all the machines you have mentioned will have 64bit processors that can support XP 64, or more sensibly W7 64bit.

True, but then I am pretty careful. I have multiple machines, all with ZoneAlarm firewall and Avast anti-virus; I regularly do a fresh re-install of the operating system; on my main machine I only browse to reputable sites as well as using several browsers, with one specifically restricted for secure online activities (eg online banking). If you act like an idiot, then maybe you do need all the constant updates from Microsoft to prevent your machine being compromised, but if you're sensible you can take full advantage of the improved performance you get from using a lighter-weight O/S like XP pretty safely.

XP is no longer supported by Microsoft, so you won't be protected against any OS exploits your virus checker doesn't catch.

Mine came yesterday (I went for the SSD upgrade).
Overall its not in bad condition and when it came Windows 7 was already mostly set up and it was easy to run the upgrade tool for Windows 10.
With the SSD in it, it flies along. On the downside, although the battery came fully charged, plugging in the charger does not seem to charge the battery, have tried another Dell charger, but the same result. Looking at the sellers description for the item they only guarantee the battery comes fully charged nothing else, which seems to be exactly what I got, but I'd expect the battery to be chargeable at least even if it only held the charge for a few hours.

You're a video editor....... So does that mean I'm a journalist as I write reviews of stuff I buy and post on internet forums?

I have, as I said earlier in this thread a variant of this model (with a 13inch screen). It's rocking 4gb of ram and a slower i3 processor. You point out some things it's not good for

Gaming - I don't recall anyone but you bringing up this topic. It will play some emulated retro games or basic indie games but no one has suggested it would do otherwise

Content creation - the i5 processor this offers is more than enough for the average lay person to do a bit of video editing their home videos or posting to the internet. While it's not a server render farm, most of those don't cost slightly north of £100 and tend to cost slightly north of 100thousand pounds so a little out of a budget comparison.

Heavy multitasking - As I said earlier in this very thread, I had my less powerful i3 managing plenty of open tabs, a HD netflix video on an external monitor without any lag or issues. I find it unlikely most home users in day to day use would expect much more from their machine.

2gb of ram is the absolute minimum to run windows is it? News to me and the 1000s of people running it on dozens of different 1gb tablets the world over. My HP Stream 7 runs just fine on it (the only issue I have had is the drivers for multitouch don't seem to work which is an issue cause by HP).

Just look at some of the hottest deals for things like the Linx 7 with 1gb of RAM that hasn't just come up once in deals but dozens of different times. By and large the feedback is positive for the device save a few idiots who want their tablet to come with an 8k display, 128gb of ram, 24hours of battery life and a couple of petabytes of disk space. Of course they want that for £50 too. These people are the same ones who post that a person considering a 10k fiat Panda is an idiot for not spending 10 times as much on an AMG mercedes 4x4 which is obviously so much better at doing the school run across town.

As you seem to claim to know so much about the topic of hardware, I would love to get a link to a suitable alternative laptop or tablet that offers a similar level of performance for my web browsing, internet posting and video watching needs as I will also infrequently need to do some transcoding of video files I'd need something about as fast as the i5 this Dell offers to speed that along. I've got about £200 to spend on it.

And yet people constantly fail to understand why I still use Windows XP...

I use VideoReDo to edit videos on a Core2Duo with 3GB memory (and no pagefile) quite happily. And I can have Firefox and Chrome with lots of tabs open no problem. Have recently bought a couple of secondhand i5 (4th gen) laptops (total cost ~£230) and am working on getting XP running on them - the Toshiba L50t with a 120GB SSD absolutely flies. And apparently you can hack XP to removed the 3.5GB memory limit - not that I would condone such behaviour...

lol triggered

Because you keep posting rubbish.

Blocking me wont stop everyone else seeing you're a dolt.

blocked.

Because you keep replying to my posts.

So why are you even on this thread commenting on something that clearly doesnt suit your needs anyway?? Why does it even interest you?

I do heavy duty data analysis in Excel as part of my daytime job and this deal wouldnt suit it, but it doesnt mean i cant see the merits of it.

Uh huh, the reason they are cheap is because they are used and probably 3+ years old. Would you pay as much for a 3 year old car as you would a new one??

And an i5 WONT lag with gaming. Gaming is heavily dependent on the GRAPHICS card, not the processor. I'm surprised an "expert" such as yourself didnt know that. Put a heavy duty graphics card on the front of an i5 and it'll handle 98% of all games. I'd an Alienware 13 last year running an i5 and a GeForce 860M graphics card and it was great. And this ISNT a gaming laptop. It has not got the graphics card for it. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

4GB is MORE than enough for general use. I've this Core 2 Duo D620 with 4GB RAM on at the minute. I've 5 tabs open in Chrome, Excel 2016 open, Word 2016 open and on the fifth tab in Chrome, i'm running an HD movie clip on you tube.

CPU usage is sitting at between 33 and 39% and memory is sitting at 1.7GB used, and the machine is perfectly usable with no lag on the video or in moving between apps. And thats a **** 9 year old Core2Duo processor :rolleyes:

Why use a laptop instead of a tablet? Gee, well ever tried typing on a tablet? Or shifting between multiple tabs in Chrome? Or maybe doing a bit of spreadsheet work? Or typing an email? Maybe you poke your keyboard with one finger so a tablet is great for you, but most people prefer the convenience of a keyboard. And if they dont - get a tablet and ignore this thread because its not relevant.

Built four computers yourself? Woohoo! Your mum must be so proud!

I'm a video editor.
i5 will only suite web browsing, downloading movies etc. Will lag with gaming, with content creation, and with heavy multitasking.

There's a reason why this laptop is cheap, and it's not because Dell are in a good mood.
2GB ram is the absolute minimum to run windows 10 64bit, leaving a paltry 2gb for anything else you want to use, like word, like web browsing, like video playback etc. Want to add plugins to chrome or firefox like flash, pdf viewers, silverlight? Adblocker? You'll just end up using virtual memory, which on a yesterday-tech mechanical hard drive is going to slow down even further.

Just want to use it to browse the web in internet explorer? Get a tablet and bluetooth keyboard instead, you'll have a much wider range of apps to suit low power devices.

I have 4 purpose built systems I built by the way.

Common sense would suggest small increments in price, not buffing it up by £100 and killing the sales.

If you'd any real world selling experience you'd know that.

As has been said, probably sold out now so has adjusted the listing until the next batch arrives

Possible but quite unlikely. Previous deals suggest this is how they operate and it's well known in ebay circles about operating in this fashion as a cost saving exercise. In fact a lot of places recommend sellers do it this way and some helper apps will assist sellers in doing this. The sellers listings as far as I've ever seen ones posted here (even the bad deals) always end up having 'more than 10 available' and whether they have 10 sold or 200 the same thing happens every time, I've yet to see a 'listing has ended' with Newandused when directed from HUKD.

One other possibility: this item was selling like hot cakes (after being featured here), so the seller decided the price was too low and hiked it.

No, not a pricing error, this seller like many others on ebay inflates their available units for sale and when they are about to sell out the price gets ramped up. It has a number of benefits to the seller

- Avoids having to pay relisting fee's because they can technically keep the advert running beyond when it would have normally expired.
- Saves the time to relist a product you are going to have more stock of (setting up a new page takes more time than adding more to the total stock list and changing the price)
- Any idiot who buys the more expensive price is a win/win for the seller. They will make a massive profit. While not having stock is not even an issue. If the price goes up by £100, they can lie via email to the buyer apologising as their last unit in stock has been damaged, but if the buyer is happy to wait they will get a £50 discount and get what they ordered in X days when new stock arrives. Seller still makes £50 more than normal, buyer thinks they get a good deal. Failing that the sale gets cancelled and the buyer moves on none the wiser.
- People often will look for a small range of specific models, keeping a number of extra listings of items you stock makes people notice your store page and possibly buy in the future.

A pricing error that has now been adjusted?

So go on then, what do you do with your laptop that requires a faster processor?

I'm using a 2007 Dell D620 with a Core2Duo processor and 4gb RAM as we speak with a 120GB SSD fitted and its happily running Win10, Office 365 and i can watch movies and downloads on it, and surf the net on it.

What do you mean "too good to be true". It WAS true. It was a genuine offer and they've now put the price up.

I knew this price was too good to be true. Found it on Ebay myself and watched the listing. Could have had 500gb, 4gb ram and i5 for £119.00. £100 has now been added to the price. Sucks.

I checked the price of these this morning and the one I was looking at was £140, they now want £240 for precisely the same one. That is cheeky!

Boohoo, I was tempted but it comes up as £214.99 for me.

'Tech from 2010' You are a victim of marketing! This cpu passmarks at close to 4,000, and with an SSD, will chop its way through typical workloads with ease - mine does.

A more modern ULV Broadwell cpu such as the i5 5250u passmarks 10% slower. It does have faster graphcis and the battery will last longer, but cpus from a few years ago can still be competitive.

These have now gone up to £209.99!? :confused:

Those are as such a lesser model made mainly of plastic. Think of it like being a step up from a consumer grade machine and between where the e6xxx models sit have magnesium alloy construction.

I use this laptop with an I7 and ssd for work. It is a pretty good machine. This is a cracking deal.

Whats the difference between this one and http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ebay-refurbished-dell-latitude-e5430-laptop-3rd-gen-i5-14-1-screen-hdmi-from-119-2479376?

which is better please. E6230 or E5430?

good deal IMHO

About 4 years ago I picked up the previous model, added a little more ram and an SSD, that was just before the i3/i5 range came out, so I couldnt do native virtualisation on the CPU. I have been waiting for a similar specced laptop. With a little love you can turn this into a brute of a portable laptop. A SSD (240GB - +-£40) and 8GB (+-£30) will make this as fast as pretty much any other business laptop around. So for sub £180, a quality/fast laptop

looks an excellent buy to me

if your worried pay with a credit card and if there is problems your protected as it is the credit cards money and not yours

these workplace machines are far superior to the consumer models they are sturdy well built machines that i would imagine working for upto 10 years or longer they are that well built i have had a few hps and ibm's and lenovos and only changed them out when i wanted more oomph

i5 aint exactly "fast". Tech from 2010!

My suggestion when it comes to buying older laptops, find one with a dvd drive and swap it out for a hdd caddy (about a fiver on ebay). Put the hdd that it comes with in the caddy and then put a £25 120gb SSD as your boot drive and hurry up to get the Win 10 upgrade while its free.

I bought an E6420 on eBay for my mother 12 months ago,did the above and was happy enough with it to buy an identical one for myself! All told they cost me about £130 and I put in larger second storage drives that I had lying around. Great machines that are bombproof.

These crooks sent me a coffee filled laptop, they refunded but are trading as refurbished when they are simply not refurbished...AVOID

Yes, that was another bit I don't think anyone mentioned, but by nature of their corporate intentions, they are very modular and easily serviced (usually one or two captive screws) whereas your consumer machines are all 'clipped' together and almost impossible to open.

I have noticed some Dells with screen blemishes - the chassis are sturdy but sometimes the lids are flimsy and easily dented, I think this is what causes it; that said a few minor blemishes isn't a big deal especially if you get a discount as a result, it just means I need to be a little less OCD over it.

+1

You're totally hitting the nail on the head there.

I've just bought two 9 year old Dell D620s for a few pounds each, both have been in business use for the vast bulk of that time, neither have screen blemishes.

Both happily running Win10 and with 120GB SSD drives now fitted.

Ebay is your friend....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitude-E6230-Screen-LED-Hinges-12-5-Screen-/221995808324?hash=item33affb3644:g:33oAAOSwUV9WmOfy

Dells are easy worked on. Hinges, keyboards, screen bezels, hinge covers, batteries, RAM, optical drives, hard drives all easily replaced.

I love how whenever these deals get posted an 'IT expert' turns up, tells everyone it's rubbish (based on anecdotal evidence with a sample size of '1'), accuses anyone who says it's a good deal of being affiliated with the seller then throws their toys out of the pram by making a 'final statement' and publicly stating they won't reply any more like some kind of martyr.

Back to topic, I think it's a great deal, like the Lenovo one, though this one is a 2 generations newer CPU (worth it) for a little more money. I would 100% change the hard disk to an SSD on any machine I use now as that will be the biggest bottleneck and I'm sure that by looking after it just a little (cleaning the fans with an air duster once in a while, not spilling stuff on it - though they have spill resistant keyboards on many corporate-class machines) it will give many years excellent service. I've never seen a hinge fail on one of these, only on the consumer-level all glossy plastic machines.

£109 is OOS.

I was also reformatting the hard drives. Which has to be done before the laptops can be puchased by staff or sold on.

Been looking for a cheap i5 refurb to replace my donkeys old tosh i3. Ordered with 500gb HD. Thanks to the op

I trust that was all you were checking for!

hi, just to let you know I bought one in December 2014 and first lcd hinge failed mid 2015 now both are gone so I have to support the screen. thought it might be useful for someone. It is still fast laptop with good battery.

Do you mean this feedback? http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=newandusedlaptops4u&iid=321930712874&de=off&items=25&interval=365&which=positive&_trkparms=Positive_7691

Havin read all of the comments I agree Joolt who wants a laptop that has screen blemishes, if they have been in Buisness use for 4-5 years they will have screen marks. There are 42 Laptop users in our company, the laptops are renewed every 4 years (january this year renewed ) and not 1 of them had an unmarked screen. I know as I checked them trying to get an unmarked one for my daughter. That includes the CEO, Vice chair, and 3 directors ALL with screen marks.

I never advocated buying an X61 in 2016. I used it as an example of how a 10 year old laptop can still be working. As to the fan noise, doing some custom levels with TPFanControl http://tpfancontrol.com/ can bring an X series back to a more suitable profile for the fan operation.

As a final point, the 100s with it's Atom processor is on par with the T7300 chip in the X61 which came out 9 years ago, the only places it falls down in comparison is thermals, power use and graphics performance. Considering the difference in build quality the 100S is bargain bucket compared to the premium line that is an X series.

Worth searching for this model on YouTube, there's always a ton of videos for things like disassembly and fan replacement

I bought a refurbished x61, regret it. The fan is whiring away on it and is about to die by the sounds of it.

Any new laptop even consumer grade will last a.good amount of time as general quality of manufacturing has improved over past 10 yrs.

Buy a new one with proper guarantee and support. I bought a new Lenovo 100s atom laptop for £100 WHICH came with 2 yrs guarantee from john Lewis - don't regret it and prefer it to something refurbished like my x61, which I do not what to do with now.

yet still no link to one I've just looked through the first few pages of completed listings on ebay and couldn't find one that wasn't faulty selling for under £100 delivered.

Definitely do it yourself - you can buy 8gb ram (2 x 4gb) for just over £20 then a 120 GB SSD for £25, so around £45 all in but then if you do this you still have the existing hard drive and existing ram which you can sell for £20 or so so you'll end up a good bit cheaper overall

gone with 8ram 500gb win10. £159.99. for work.

8gb of ram (or buying 4gb extra) would cost under £15
A 120gb SSD would be around £30.

So overall around £10 more expensive to upgrade yourself. The opposite side of the coin assumes the seller isn't swapping out less valuable low memory sticks for larger ones ie selling this option with 2x2gb and forcing buyers to buy 8gb of ram by using 2x4gb and 1x8gb sticks in the upgraded options.

It's obviously a risk but up to you if you feel it worth the upgrade.

As to a better model, there's always a better model for more money, just that you again probably go back to square one about needing the SSD upgrade.

With the option of buying Ops version from them now upgraded with 8 gb ram and 120 gb ssd the price works out at £164.99.

I would appreciate anyones comments whether it is cheaper to up grade your self or is their a better model out there for £164.99?

I think this is a reasonable deal - not voting either way though as the possible screen blemishes would put me off. Battered and scratched casing is fine in my book but screen blemishes would just irritate the hell out of me.

On a like for like price basis a desktop will be a good deal faster than an equivalently priced laptop. It's not going to be a slow machine by any stretch and would outpace any budget modern laptop with ease and I'm talking anything you can buy today with a budget of £250-300.

The difficulty is finding desktop options of a similar price as that market tends to be quite a lot smaller in the UK.

webcam version costs £40 more :disappointed:

Figured it's worth a punt at £110, they were good products in their day and I suspect they'll fly running Linux.

By my own words I referred to consumer machines. Please tell that to my business focused X61 which is nearly 10 years old and still going strong. I get the distinct impression you've probably never seen one of these laptops in the flesh and have absolutely no idea of the difference between a premium product and the bog basic machines you seem to be advocating as alternatives (but hesitant to provide an example of what you think is better) As you seem to be the only one harping on about these being a bad deal and no one else supporting your argument or point of view it's fairly clear to say that it's not an opinion anyone agrees with.

Furthermore you've harped on about it not being a good deal yet been asked by more than a few different people to;

- Provide a reasonable alternative for the same money
- Link to any of these fabled bargain deals on ebay that you could get by bidding on them
- Provide a link to a reasonable alternative with similar levels of spec and performance for under £200

As you can't manage to provide any actual justification beyond conjecture, I think most of us have realised to ignore your remarks. The fact that many people are praising these laptops and the heat meter going rather high it's fair to say the community thinks there is a deal here.

Finally if you want to provide duff information then I'd recommend trying a bit harder. The E6230 was announced by Dell in May 2012 so unless it's now may 2017 it will be a maximum of just over 4 years old.

http://www.notebookreview.com/news/dell-announces-new-latitude-business-laptops/

Don't worry, you won't be missed about not replying in the thread as you post a lot of gob but don't provide a lot of basis for the argument.

In your own words:
So don't try pushing people to buy this laptop that is up to 5 years old, and don't try to stop others from pointing out honest facts.
These laptops have very little life in them, and don't cost £200 anymore. They sell for under £100 regularly. You are likely to be the associated with the seller, and seem to have an interest in promoting this deal.
I won't be replying to any more of your posts, or to the other little fellow that keeps promoting this offer. Sorry.

I've never had a laptop can someone please tell me how they compare to desktops? This seems a good deal but how would it compare to a used PC of similar price?

If you believe there is a better option to be had then please do post it. I also offered you to find a better deal that offers similar performance and specifications for under £200 but new which you seem to have forgot you moaned about this deal being a used machine.

Please do also post this fabled better laptop you can get on ebay by bidding for it that is less than £110. By the way I'll accept a examples in the completed listings section. However don't just post a machine with identical ram and hard disk, we want to see you post a laptop with as much performance as this deal offers so no posting an an Intel Celeron N series or pointless AMD A series powered machine.

As for the throw away comment about buying used, I'm on my 5th refurbished business grade machine and so far I've had no issues outside of general maintenance. Now if only any of the various consumer laptops I've had over the years managed to get to 18months old without starting to fall apart.


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-E6230-Notebook.83266.0.html

I've dealt with this company in the past & had the only single warranty issue I had repaired after almost 10 months use......most of the poor feedback is not about warranty issues....more about unrealistic expectations of buyers hoping for a like new item when actually buying a few years old & used item or slow delivery

Does the battery stick out on these or flush with the lid?

I have a E6220 which I have had for 5 years and it's still superb. It's better than my similarly spec'd work laptop.

Huh?? 99% feedback with 2 negative reviews compared to 450 positive???

If I hadn't just ordered the Robo Mower off Amazon I would have grabbed this as a cheap carry around laptop

From day one there is NO chance of a 12 month warranty being honored. See all the negative reviews for this seller.
After 45 days you are on your own.
The laptop is going to be up to 5 years old.
The i5 and Dell Latitude part are not something to get carried away with.
Click here to view the Feedback
Read what customers write going back 12 months.

To be fair it would be difficult to get an i5 Laptop which has been thoroughly checked & having a new clean OS install with 4Gb & 320GB & a full 12 month warranty for £109.99 ......... this is a hot deal.......not perfect for everyone but it's a workhorse of a laptop & upgrading components is easy

I think you are confusing the price and the specs. This deal is 4GB and 320GB at £109.99, and they can often be had for less on ebay bidding. Laptops don't last forever, unless they are really well looked after. Buy used, buy blind.

Got a faulty battery with my laptop and the seller sent out a new one

if folk really don't know what they are talking about...maybe they should stay silent.
Hot from me!

I picked one of these up VERY CHEAP from Cash Converters in Selby as it was closing down.....and the laptop had no power supply.....for this money they are amazing value (although mine cost £30 + £5 for a charger on eBay) ....they are pretty bulletproof, fast enough for most tasks & run W10 perfectly

These are great and run Windows 10 no problem.. If you have any driver issues for 7 or 8.1 then google "E6230 Driver CAB" and you'll get a single file with all the drivers on for your OS version..

cracking deal. 4gb is plenty for everyday use as is 330gb.

great machine great price

Hot!

New batteries can be had in the £25-40 range on eBay. Also these things are easy to upgrade and repair.

So the two components that are easiest and cheapest to upgrade "make this poor value?"

C'mon, be serious.

This laptop at this price with these spec's should easily get 700 degrees+ hot. People on here who voted this cold don't understand what your getting this laptop for, this deal is great value.

Don't forget: similar build-quality.
This is a business grade laptop not some cheap plastic consumer laptop built down to a price.
For that generation and 125" screens the choice was this Dell Latitude E6230, the HP Elitebook 2570p, and the Lenovo X230. The best built one was the 2570p but it is heavy (18-1.9KG but they squeeze a DVD in there too).
Anyway here's the NBC review:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-E6230-Notebook.83266.0.html
Great value for a top spec Ivy Bridge laptop (remember CPUs have barely improved in the meantime and Intel HD4000 is still okay too). Voted hot

1st point of course they are old and used. It's in the deal title. I'm not sure how something could be new and refurbished.

2nd I type this on a perfectly viable i3 powered variant of this machine an E6330 (only difference is the larger screen and outer plastics) the one on offer here is an i5 which is considerably more powerful than my machine which is happily chugging away with internet browsing with a dozen tabs open and playing a video in HD to an external monitor via netflix.

3rd refurbished does not mean repaired, repaired means repaired. Refurbished in business grade machines generally refers to them being returned to a leasing company that supplied the tech to another company to use normally over a period of 3-5 years. The machines are then sold on to a refurb supplier like Newandused, SCCTrade, Rectech etc to wipe, spot clean, reinstall and rebox. If refurbished meant repaired then Argos would be out of business by now.

4th please provide a non refurbished machine with performance levels to match this, that offers at least the same ram, a hard disk space while also being under £120. I await the silence. In fact I'll even let it slide if you find a better deal based on your criteria for under £200.

I don't think you do understand what "value" mean. Can you find me one with similar CPU (none of that Celeron crap) 8GB and 1TB for similar money? No? I thought so.

The battery isn't guaranteed. If you end up with a rubbish one, that could put you out of pocket, even further.

I've got one of these. Bought elsewhere, but they run brilliantly, spec-wise. Main downside is the screen, which has poor viewing angles.

I have now put 8GB and an ssd in, but it ran great beforehand.

Seller has good feedback considering the sheer numbers they sell too. I don't think it means there were faulty and parts have been replaced - other have bought from this seller on here and got nearly new laptops!

Really should put that these are 'Refurbished Grade 2' in the title.