comparible then much higher frame rate. Good one.

The gtx 1080 is similar to the xbox one but also with much higher frame rates :smile:

If you want to be pedantic it is comparable .....

​i don't think the gpu in xbox one even equals a GTX 750ti

Anything less than the 1 you recommend would be pointless.
You could buy an Xbox one, a PS4 and have change for £566.

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I think the SyberPower steam machines are better value for money and you can customise the internals. Heres an example curretly with 20% off. http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Steam_Machine_P

Link fixed :smiley:

Gtx960 is comparible with the Xbone but with slightly better shaders and much higher frame rate.

Console of your choice = ~£200 leaves you £180~£200 to find a laptop

Just my opinion.

Yes and what do you think comparible means, do yyo think it means exactly the same? it is comparible in every way but those I mentioned, most people will be using this PC gaming console on TVs at 60hz or 60hz monitors, if they are planing to play the latest games on the same settings as a console the 960 may not even hit 60fps 1080p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-face-off

Edit: wow some salty pedantic PC master race people in this thread :stuck_out_tongue:

If you want to be pedantic it is comparable .....

Good deal, although you'll need to buy a Windows license if (like me) you don't want a Steam machine.

The Xbox One Nearest Equiv part you can buy is http://www.ebuyer.com/636282-amd-athlon-5150-1-6ghz-socket-am1-2mb-l2-cache-retail-boxed-processor-ad5150jahmbox granted it's only 4 cores instead of 8 but basically this the same chip with better graphics on die as well. R7 360 equivalent not the the R3 stuff on this chip.

Steam Machine P comes with Steam OS, not Windows 10. Just checked with Cyberpower and they quote £78+VAT to add Windows. Better off buying OEM, although then you have the hassle of installation...

im thinking of swaping ps4 for pc but do you need to keep upgrading these systems to keep up with game demands

Oh was your original license comment referring to my comment? Id assumed you were talking about the OP deal as you didn't quote anyone. You can get the same steam machine (called Vapor) on the same website as the one I linked with Windows installed, I haven't checked the price for that tho. Misunderstandings.

can it be used as a windows PC?

Not really, but it's nice to have the choice to be able to upgrade well ahead of new console generations. I followed a guide on RockPaperShotgun 3 years ago to build a PC for same price as a PS4. I managed to beat their prices and scored a monitor+OS too within the budget.

I ended up buying a PS4 early this year but I'm still gaming on that PC now and it still handily beats my PS4 on most games. GTAV, Dirt Rally, Battlefield 4, Metro Redux and Witcher 3 all run far better on my PC, plus when indie stuff comes out it's always *much* cheaper on PC.

Yes, the Alpha uses Windows rather than Steam OS.

Console games £50 vs PC £30
Xbox Live / PSN £40 vs PC £0
Console Experience < PC Experience

There's always one.

Games aren't £50. New games are normally available at £35-40 if you're savvy.

Or let me put it another way. £566 (the "best value" one in the op, and realistically, the smallest one you'd want for gaming) = PS4 + 8 or 9 brand new games (or 12-15 if you look at the more realistic prices for games people would buy).

That would just about be able to play Doom 2016 at PS4 quality.

I'm a PC gamer by the way.

It's comparable in every way apart from every metric that you'd use to define a graphics card. 960 is lightyears ahead of console graphics. Go back under your bridge, troll.

How about this...

http://www.serversdirect.co.uk/dell-poweredge-t20-xeon-e3-1225v3-3.2-ghz-4gb-ram-1tb-hdd-tower-server-t20-3708/version.asp?PID=1725

Plus a GTX 950 (~£120?) + SteamOS + decent KB, mouse and controller? Has anyone tried something like this?

Needs more ram, wouldn't cost much.

Precisely my point. My PC is well old. 5years old for some parts and it can still hold its own against the latest console.

I have similar "old system"2500k and a hd 7950 all overclocked and get 60-100 comfortably on bf4 high settings. It's miles better than any console gaming. Keep thinking of another build but the difference isn't big enough at the moment.

Not really, you had to upgrade two different parts of that PC (one of them being the most expensive part) two years ago and it already borderline out of date.

At that rate you will have to upgrade another two or three times in this generation of consoles to keep up.

For me PC gaming is about doing it on the cheap or high end (GTX 1060 and up), the middle ground is just a waste of money.

I'd prefer to stick to my consoles.... Despite me thinking of PC gaming a couple times over the years. Hopefully they will be able to be flashed soon to save cost of games. Too much hassle and money in PC gaming, it's abit of a moneypit.

You can do it quite frugally, im running a Xeon 3363, 8gb, 2Ggb GTX 670 (special edition that runs at GTX 680 performance) and 120 SSD which i maneged to setup for £100 (I might have got lucky tough)

Why, the console hardware aint gonna improve, Console experience is only gonna improve slightly thru software tweaks. And your right, I upgraded boxing day around the same time the new consoles were released, whatever year that was. It was a much better option than what the consoles offered. And as for it already being out of date, why, youve just said it can match what consoles offer. Im still going to be able to play games on it for many years yet.

Hardly. You spend extra at the start and then you get cheaper games for less money without a Playstation Plus/XBL subscription. Oh and I got in to editing my GoPro videos in the past couple of years. Gee look at that, my gaming PC also turns out to be a capable video editing rig! Good luck doing that on your PS4/XBO. I would like a PS4, but only for the exclusives.

It matches consoles now.

The equivilent GPU back in the day that the xbox 360 was released was the Radeon 2400XT.

Fast forward four years and the Radeon (or equivalent geforce) couldn't possibly dream of running the same games the xbox did.

That isnt going to change this time round. If it did, the PC graphics card industry would collapse.

Wow, that is some misinformed stuff you are peddling there mate. No "PC Master Race" pedantry here, just calling shenanigans when we see it.

The 960 is so far away from the XBox One it's like a tiny dot on the horizon. And if 1080p/60 is your bar then good luck, you will be lucky to get that on even a few games on Scorpio. Xbox One can barely manage a stable 30fps, just look at Fallout 4!

Anyway, as others have said, I would avoid these boxes. They aren't worth the premium over consoles, but spending a bit more and getting a decent desktop will save you in the long term.

looks like a nice little machine. What people are forgetting when comparing this to a console:

no PSN or Xbox live subscription

not limited to what gamepads you can use (incl steering wheels for the good sim racers)

not limited to what headset you can use

latest release titles which can be preordered through sites such as Cdkeys for £20-30

much wider range of titles can be played (some cracking older games available dirt cheap)

1080p and 60fps - alot of console games dont even run at 1080p! im pretty sure there is extra benefits on PC games which are forgotten about such as view distance, lighting, shading and whatever else.

Steam sales, humble bundle!

not to mention this will be alot better as a media centre for streaming etc as it is more powerful than the xbox & playstation and will load more quickly.

Yes I agree with others a desktop is a better option but this is a great middle ground between PC and console. PC gaming can be an expensive hobby, it becomes a bit of an addiction researching all the components and upgrading everything from your video card to your mouse mat :smiley:

What nonsense. Of course a 4 year old graphics card can play games that come out on a 4 year old console. The hardware in the console doesnt magically upgrade itself. And as for your last comment, games makers dont have to limit their games to fit an aging console GPU when designing games on a PC, they make use of the latest hardware that is around allowing graphics to surpass what the consoles can achieve which is why the GPU market doesnt collapse, you're always going to have people that spend top dollar on the latest model.

Feel free to continue believing that you GFX card will last this entire console generation.

*Be aware*...several big titles don't run well/at all on dual core processors.

I wouldn't recommend you buy this to get into gaming or pc gaming,,,,, it will be obsolete quickly.

I never once said my system will. I'll replace parts in 3-4 years like I always do. But the guy asking the question about constantly upgrading if he switched to PC gaming wouldn't be buying a system that has parts some of which are 5 years old, he'd be buying parts that are already well improved on what the consoles can achieve.

​Do elaborate, which titles?

​That's pretty much the OEM price for a genuine copy, those a lot cheaper are a bit 'iffy'...although many are fine with that and they seem widespread.

System Builders, single licence copy. Obviously Dell etc. don't pay that.​

That's actually the direct translation from Latin.

Far Cry 4, Battlefield 4 runs poorly on dual core from personal experience.

The only problem is you will lose certain console (specially Sony) exclusives..
Ive recently seen one lower end Alienware gaming PC,and connected to TV via hdmi with wireless MS 360 controller,there was no reason to even consider an Xbox One.
I mean every game I tried looked instantly and noticeably superior to anything on Xbox One and PS4.
also games are so much cheaper,and you can play great older games too.
I'd say types of Alienware can be better for many gamers as opposed to custom built ones since there is always market for re-sale becase they are branded and recognized and sought after as opposed to custom built pcs.not to mention the form factor etc.

How would this run the new Wow legion thats coming out?

Poop poop poop... wanna be a pc gamer? Drop 2k and enjoy many years of gaming stress free

Hard to call it being pedantic when people are correcting such a significant misrepresentation of the facts. The Xbox One's GPU and the 760 are leagues apart in terms of the graphics they're capable of supporting (plus PC often allows you to balance framerate vs visual fidelity to your own preference). Given people often look to the comments for advice on computer components etc your comment is actually incredibly unhelpful and misleading for people trying to figure out their options.

While everyone's entitled to their opinions/ preferences with gaming platforms comments like yours only serve to muddy the water and misguide others which is why several people have made a point of correcting you.

​The GTX 950 is more powerful than the Xbox One and PS4 (I own all three). The 960 would wipe the floor with either of them.

Purely for playing games consoles are great, poke the disc in, download something for several hours and you're set. No issues with stuff not working for some reason, keeping various drivers up to date, fighting the urge to buy random flashy stuff (my RGB K95 is great though) etc. But on the other side of the coin my gaming PC gets used for everything. Surfs the web beautifully, use it for Netflix lots, I use a lot of Matlab and simulation software for my degree which it runs perfectly well, I have a nice speaker system hooked up for music, it plays blurays and DVDs, and I haven't ever had any troubles with it really.

It's a few years old now but still runs pretty much everything near ultra (GTX 770, i5 at 4.4ghz, 16Gb Ram, 256Gb ssd and various hard drives) and I don't think I spent much more than £700 for the box and two monitors.

Basically, the added value of having a PC over a PS4 etc can definitely make it worthwhile, but there are obvious costs associated with it.

This machine is so terrible I'm not even going to get involved.

Dont listen to this guy he has a 950...

But you already did :/ wow...

Well normally I'd tell you to build your own and outline the specs of a machine you could build for the same price that would be better for gaming.

Instead, if you're interested just PM me.

Just my opinion
you cannt compare pure performance from paper spec
RX480 on paper >5 Teraflops GTX 1060 > 4 Teraflops but on benchmarks with "nvidia optimized games GTX 1060 runs faster than RX480 "
Same logic goes to console gaming vs PC gaming it all about optimizations
When the game witcher 3 was released on PS4/xbox they all ok , but with amd card they have very poor frames PS4/xbox have amd cards so why they slow on PC because developers takes all power from PS4/xbox and optimize these game to run properly . Maybe they reduce some quality somewhere but are you will notice ??

Anyway steam price for games not bad but they digital copies where PS4/xbox you can trade games and get new game Yes you lose your old game but you can buy later more cheaper if you need .....

I have PS4 and PC radeon crossfire GPU can run 1440p ultra and do not see any huge difference when im playing on PS4 - I think sometimes PS4 runs better than my crossfire setup it is not about pixel but game experience

Anyway just my advice just get xbox one s or PS4 and next year xbox will have 4k jaguar Than all game will change - why because i do not see point to build gaming PC as will be powerful xbox jaguar for good price plus VR coming

Looking at the Alienware Alpha , I assume once it has a hardware fault like requiring a replacement PSU I assume you are stuffed?

Really tempted by it however want the i7 config. There is a 15% student discount through Unidays - so pays off to look for somebody who works in education or is a student.

Does anyone know if i7 set up would run Arma 3?

Honestly mate just dont do it, buy a desktop. Is there anywhere you can use your education discount on standard computer parts?

Unfortunately haven't got space for desktop. And with all home and work commitments I barely get any mileage out of ps4. But the fact that it is easy to pick up and doesn't lock me in some room away helps. This feels ideal.
Problem is - I am only tempted by the pc because of Arma games if those were available on console i would not think of it.

Gaming laptops are too bulky unfortunately....

You can build a desktop machine that would be a similar "portable" size as this (mATX/itx), with a better spec and probably save some cash.

These look very competitive in terms of pricing against a self build IMO

An i5 CPU, Mobo and decent video card come out at about £450 - £500

Have a look at macro atx cases, something like this http://www.ebuyer.com/698427-thermaltake-core-v21-matx-mesh-stackable-case-with-200mm-fan-ttcscorev21?mkwid=s_dc&pcrid=51482418059&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=CMaE7-6fhM4CFa0V0wod0KkD_g

And what case do you propose that is a 'similar' size? The whole point and extra cost of the alpha is the additional engineering to make that small. If you are questioning the need for it to be so small then that is a different question.

Depends on the fault. Only the motherboard and embedded GPU (MXM?) are proprietary. PSU is external.

I'm not questioning the need for it to be small, I'm suggesting that you could build a similarly small system yourself, it was a response to Nikolay.

I have a Silverstone ML05b which I can pick up with one hand very easily and shift about as I see fit.

You can buy and build a much better console killer for about £400 using Flubit and even without overclocking

Intel i3 6100 at 3.7ghz £90
Gigabyte GA-H170M £60
SSD off here easy £30
DDR4 Ram off here £30
Thermaltake V1 £30
PSU EVGA 450w £50
Gtx 960 £130

Total minus OS = £420

And is future proof, its the extras that are going to cost you the money which is why you're better off with a console lol.

The trouble with Arma is that it utilises a single core, so the speed of the processer overall is more important than what processor it is.

As a general rule I would go for a higher speed over more cores for gaming, with more cores as a secondary objective, I.e an i5 with a fast clock speed over a an i7 with a significantly slower clock speed.

Tl;Dr yes, but a higher 'ghz' is more important.

Thanks, had a quick look. It does look good indeed. I think I am convinced. Will need to research it properly though, its been 11 years since last time I built a pc :smiley: sounds quite exciting to get stuck into it. Is there a good website to see suggested builds?