I guarantee the people complaining this is expensive, will be the people who spend £60 a month on an iPhone contract and think that's great! :smiley:

​Are you having a laugh?

Problem could have been rectified with a condom. Don't blame the poor C1. :disappointed:

That's hardly the cars fault is it?

I always have a good laugh at the people complaining about car leasing.

Tell me said complainers do you own your own home, which you have paid for outright? Don't worry, I'll wait for you to figure it out. :man:

​yes you can keep it if u can drive it to Nigeria and decides to stay there

Great Idea when are we getting a used car section on HUKD . Maybe you could be the first poster with your second hand fortwo

I resent this view .PCP and leasing or buying a pre reg is not for everyone . I still rely on my car just as much as the next commuter to get me to work . If anything I rely on it more because I work shifts so its not as if using public transport is even an option for me .

Good deal for some I guess, but I still think my feet are too big for these roller-skates! Assuming you get a pair? :/

For those who still don't get leasing, here's my example. I'm leasing a Peugeot 208 gti over 18 months with 10k miles per annum. This lease will cost me a total of £3800, if you look on autotrader you will see the same model car 18 months old advertised for £12195, originally it cost just under 20k. So buying it and owning it costs £7500. It's all about depreciation. Leasing is not for everyone but if you want reliable new cars regularly it can be the cheapest way by quite a lot of money. I don't want an old car that may not be reliable but I won't criticise if you do.

FFS, go learn the basics of why leasing is not for everyone.

Leasing is for muppets who:
- have to have a brand new car every couple of years,
- dont do significant miles (say >12kpa)
- dont specify options
- have little equity
- never kerb their wheels, get car park dints, and any marks on the car bigger than 2.5mm

For a local commute car that is a cracking deal.

You're right. It's 0-60 is around 15 seconds and yeah, I would expect at least 85bhp really for that engine size these days. It's not as if Renault haven't had enough practice making engines!

As much of a bmw snob I am, this is a cracking deal and I would consider it for the other half

7.5 inches here.

Sarcasm is overwhelming in that post. Believe me or not, I'm not really bothered. The for sale thread and new owner are still on the forum for all to see. I don't really care if you believe me or not. I'm the one driving around with a 16 plate golf r whilst you're arguing over a lease for a smart car!

But then again, people like you won't believe I have a brand new R to drive around in.

I'll be at Goodwood fos if anyone would like proof :man:

I don't believe the lease/PCP haters actually buy new/newish cars, I am convinced they are mostly running around on a wing and a prayer driving 15 year old nails. Obviously there is no cheaper motoring, buy it for £250 and scrap it 6 months later when it falls terminally ill or fails it's MOT and requires £1 million pounds to fix it!
This is fine for Chavs from Bedworth who don't need a reliable form of transport as they do not commute to work and the pub and bookies is within walking distance.
For the workers amongst us who require a reliable vehicle with warranty for piece of mind either lease a new vehicle or buy a pre reg and NEGOTIATE with dozens of dealers nationwide.....try carwow as a starting point for further discussions.

great deal that is

Two words: Test drive.

What people do with their money is purely their prerogative. No point getting wound up just because your pockets are not deep enough to afford a new car every 2 years. I am not saying that this is the right thing to do, but stopping judging people (or their suits) just because they can afford a new car frequently.

.........and what do i put on my other foot???????

You sir, are a car buying and selling god. I bow in amazement to your superior intellect and choices. In fact I have never been able to sell a car to someone who did not like the colour, at full asking price, within 12 hours of advertising it. Absolutely magical!

Does this include insurance and road tax

​ do you get a second hand tv, washer, sofa etc?

*Sigh*, Try reading some the 145 posts before yours. Its all explained in detail there, as it is every time a lease deal is posted on here.
Funny enough thats why people post on threads like this, to inform others.

Well a Citroen C1 is usually a decent contraceptive - I'd say sue Citroen.

Thanks for this cos im still waiting to hear back from them/ I can ring tomorrow again asking for the cheaper price.

If nobody bought new cars, or leased them, there'd be no second hand market for the rest of us, though.

Well, £2k for half of a car is a lot to be fair...

Sorry but I could never ever see leasing a car as a good deal. But then again, I would never buy a brand new car anyways. For example if you buy a new car, take it to a roundabout and see that you didn't like it, its used. Value's depreciated by a lot already. Just get a used car. Most are pretty good and worth more your money rather than leasing a car and giving it back after 2 years. But then again, if you're a car enthusiast with deep pockets, go for it. Replace a car every 2 years. Look like a badass in your thousand pound suit.

Link has been updated.

Now £44 cheaper

https://www.gateway2lease.com/cars/smart/fortwo-coupe/fortwo-coupe-1.0-71hp-passion.php?id=7095432

how do get this quote value. do you have to request a written quote?

Lol best comment so far goes to you mercuri :smile:

Do you keep the hotel after you get home from holiday?

71bhp?! Stay away from hills!

Same status people people are given when driving around in a hired Hummer on a hen night. Each to their own, I guess.
I see both sides, but I like to own.

From an Adult occupant point of view it's in the same ball park as every other city car.

So if that worries you go buy yourself a lorry. :smiley:

Realistically even if you bought a second hand fortwo and wanted to not service it and "run it into the ground" not only have you lost that original amount you paid for the car but if your getting a disposable fortwo it's its likely that safety related items ( suspension, brakes and tyres ) will be heavily worn and need replacing never mind any repair bills ( parts are expensive from what I hear ) and even if you buy a newer second hand one you still run the risk of it breaking down, plus depreciation, plus breakdown cover, plus wear and tear items, plus road tax.

You prefer delivering pizzas on a moped then?

And there's more room in the condom :smiley:

how long for delivery?

No sorry, only for newborn babies.


-_-

You could just buy a second hand smart fortwo, never service it and run it into the ground and it will cost you far less than leasing it for this price. I really dont see the point in these lease deals. Or service your second hand buy and sell it later on for some money back.

i think the question you have to ask yourself is; would you want to be seen dead in one of these? lets be honest, if you get hit at over 40mph this car isn't going to save you, worst case for passengers. (think before you sit in someones cheap car)

Did you use a calculator to come to that figure

​On the otherwise most people who own it will be biased too (buyers remorse etc, people don't usually admit to it)

These deals do not exist...I've phoned round all the lease companies today and £2700 + fee seems the norm over the 2 years.

Is this suitable for adults?

does anybody know about power to weight ratio? 71 bhp is faster in a small car.The 0-60 would be more then adequate for the level headed person.

No but you should consider putting on some clothes as you type. It’s not mandatory, just polite.

Because they are stupid if they don't agree with you?

That sounds about right.

So when you post a question, you'll expect the same answer you gave?

No not really, both cars are made by Daimler who owns Mercedes and smart cars, you are the only person making an issue out of my post?

Just called them and they said it not available, as they are waiting on Mercedes to confirm :disappointed:

I think what you actually meant to post was 'Hey everyone, I'd like you all to know I have a better car than the one in this post, I'm awesome!'

What does anything mean?

What does that have to do with anything?!

Not for the family outing then

Can't find the deal anymore

Now shall I trade in my 293 bhp Mercedes Benz for a smart car....erm no!

has anyone hit out with its 'no Cactus' statement

did someone say you get a free iphone with this?

looks like you need to pull out of the lease, something you should have done in the bedroom...

Not really bothered. Both missed the point i was making. The point being that there is no place in 2016 for such low output engines when you can get a 1.0 with 125bhp. Don't really care whether it is NA, Turbo'd, supercharged or has a flux capacitor, at 71bhp its going to be as slow as toast (13 seconds in this model which isn't too bad being such a light car) in anything other than a smart car and that link to the NA fiesta gets very poor reviews, mainly on it being too slow (apart from AutoExpress giving it 4 stars whilst pretty much slating it so probably being paid by Ford!).

Not exactly on point but I'm just getting ready to hand back my Fiesta lease. I will not be leasing again simply due to the amount of damage beyond "fair wear and tear" of mysterious origin. I will now have to either pay for them to be fixed, give the car back as it is and hope for the best or claim off insurance (losing NCD). Either way I'm out of pocket to varying degrees. Leasing a car only gives you predictable and limited motoring costs if this doesn't happen.

Remember, this isn't damage that I have caused, it's damage that has come about from supermarket car parks and the like.

If you're going to lease any car, keep in mind this possibility. If you're only ever going to park it in your driveway and/or garage then you might be ok but otherwise I'd think long and hard.

This is where the words "naturally aspirated" are so key :smiley:

71PS needs to be worked hard out of town, otherwise it's a huge improvement over previous Fortwo: cheap to run with a tiny turning circle.

But this one is different - French. Which actually can be good thing, as engine may last longer than 40-50 thousand miles.

I liked it before I got to the last bit :neutral_face:


:laughing:

yes you keep it - you just have to change your name by depol and take the car to some east european couuntry and spray paint it

And these are the same people that are going to decide the future of the country on Thursday :neutral_face:

It’s a credit to our society that we can allow special people to have access to the internet.

As ashamed as I am to admit it, I have owned and driven one of these! Nothing wrong with the drive really for what it is (bit the chassis is not stable at upper-end motorway speeds). I got it thinking I would have one of those 'thinking outside the box, bit quirky' cars, my friends thought otherwise! I wouldn't have another but I would get one for my missus who likes small and compact town cars except she's against it for perceived safety, though ironically it is actually very safe.

​339 bhp per ton here :smile::smile::smile:

Oddly enough, I had a loan of one of these for a day or two while my alloys were being refurbed.

Quite good fun to drive if I'm honest. (Although I wouldn't fancy a 6 hour motorway run in one) But when folk asked what it was like, the best I could come up with was that it was like driving a shoe! :laughing:

Have many feet do you have? Also do you need two mirrors to look at your face, if the answer is yes then you might be a mutant.

Where? Not in this thread.

It's each foot.
Did you dust this (ahem!) 'joke' off from the last Smart car deal, all those days ago?

Haha, I know. Still, I wont give a monkeys by then cos I'm signing up for this.:stuck_out_tongue:

Can you lease two? One for each feet...

I doubt it. Most people I've seen commenting are suggesting that there are better cars than this for the lease price.

I appreciate you going in to all of the effort here, but sorry to break this to you, on the next lease deal the morons will be out in force again and also they won't understand any of what you said. They'll read it and then say "So you pay money out and you don't get to keep the car then? CRAP deal COLD!"

Hot Doughnuts Under Kites. It keeps the heat in.

Ohh you cheeky fun monsterrrrr

haha no although i have been around the magic roundabout. i'm in the 4WD camp now :wink: Be lucky to get 15k from a full set of tyres :laughing:

Lol, could of worded that a little better

I work in car finance, welcome to my world lol

Well, it is quite small, I can imagine that sitting in it naked could lead to unplanned penetration due to cramped interior.

It is if the child was conceived in the car

The only way you could get cheaper motoring would be with a banger that never broke or needed a service - which is pretty unlikely. This is an excellent deal for two years cheap motoring.

Milton Keynes resident? Never seen so many roundabouts.. Of course, if you can get a decent whack off list (and for mass market cars, that's usually achievable) then your depreciation curve will be shallower.. 20k from a set of front tyres should be possible though, assuming you don't' have too much power going via the front and thus lots of torque steer (sorry, I'm in the 'front wheel drive cars are already broken' camp..)

2015 model according to add from Stock. I think that is different to that of picture?

What kind of car are you hiring for £2k/day? :smirk:

Case and point that people don't read the full conversations on threads like these....just jump straight in with an inane comment.

I didn't say they didn't. I simply said that some people like to keep a car longer than 2-3yrs meaning that buying is better.

Read the full story, then comment. FYI, I voted this deal hot as a cheap town car (for the 4th time of writing)

Not getting involved in the buy vs lease debate (ive expressed my feelings numerous times on leasing and usually results in the Pro lease gang teaming up en masse)
-however-
Small 'city' cars really should ideally be kept to just that. I wouldnt fancy my chances in one of these in a high speed crash on the motorway. I remember an old 5th gear episode demonstrating a smart car crashing into a motorway barrier. The car stood up remarkably well and kept the occupant area intact - but with only a small crumple zone, not much impact energy is absorbed, so this is transferred to the passengers. (Remember the advert about your main heart artery tearing away during an impact on tv years ago)

Here is the 5th gear episode in question: Smart car 5th gear

Some people like having a new car every 2 years, this type of deal is the cheapest and easiest way to achieve that.
Also saves haggling both at buying time and selling time.

Are you suggesting each lease car should come with free condoms?

haha, wish i got 30k out of a set of front tyres! Too many islands around my area for that. 30k is only achievable if you have skinny tyres and do a lot of motorways. My company car has 33k and tyres are on wear bars (mainly motorway driven). Around town you would get 10-15k.

As for my deal, its all about getting the right price in the first place and then looking after the motor to make it more appealing to buyers. Mine sold within half a day of advertising it and for the full asking even though he 'didn't want a red one'

With the small amount of space in one of these, he might have been better off with one than a Range Rover.....

Well in that case you get the Canny Car Buyer of the Year award from me...other costs are relevant even without maintained lease - my point being that for most people a set of tyres will get them thru 3 years / 30k miles and then you have to spend. But at £1600 a year you would need to spend quite a lot on repairs, tyres, MOTs etc to bring it up to the benchmark £2 to £2.5k per year lease deals that knock about..

Dont forget to include the cost of financing the purchase of the car too. The interest on approx £10,000 over 2 years @ an optimistic rate of say 6% will be around a £1000ish. Deduct this from the £2144 leasing cost, that means if you DON'T buy the car it will cost about £2144 + 1 service (£200 max) for 20,000 miles.
In 2 years give it back, you do not have to sell it.
No pisstaking car dealerships or tyre kicking test pilots.
No depreciation worries.
No worries YOUR car will be devalued by bad news. ie. VAG diesel owners, (remember the emmisions scandal?)

If you DO buy the car you have to get £10,000 from somewhere (see above for costs)
In 2 years if you change the car you will have to sell it, you are at the vagaries of the market.
If you keep the car for more than 3 years you will have to MOT it. At 25,000miles its an additional service, at 30,000 miles its going to be due for MOT, probably a minimum of new brakes pads, possibly discs too, and 4 new tyres. You will also still be repaying your £10,000 loan.

Renting it for approx £100pm (inc servicing) for 2 years, is a bargain! My insurance for it is £25pm and fuel use about £75pm.
If I add my 'excess mileage' of 2000 miles, giving me 12,000miles pa, its £12pm extra.

So a total of £212pm or £49pw for 230 miles.

Sounds cheap to me!

These lease companies should be more careful, the driver in the photo looks an awful lot like Adam Johnson!

71BHP is a lot for a car the size of a gerbil.

See post 73

Why do you want the car? A lot of things can go wrong and they cost a lot to being with and lose a lot of value. Doesn't make sense to own a car.

Do this little exercise, find out how much this car is brand new (same spec) and then go and tell me how much a two-year old one sells for (same spec). If it's lost more than £2144 then it's worth leasing it, because you would have lost more money if you'd bought it.

Congratulations on the triplets.

​Unless conception took place in the car & it was a bit cramped on 4 seats I don't see how that is relevant!

Average HUKD member maybe. Not sure what HDUK stands for though

You must have the 2016 spec Golf R then, it is 196bhp per tonne from the factory and a 71 (72) jump would match that. Personally still wouldn't class a top spec Golf R as a typical motor. It's like saying a Focus RS is only a Focus., or a VXR is just an Astra, technically perhaps but they're not marketed, specced or priced that way.

I don't seem to be able to unlike comments. I lease a car. It's a fab deal. Liked this by accident.

It's a twingo; Be honest with yourself.

Its not my cup of tea, but it is a cracking deal, ignore the idiot comments, hot from me cocker-leeky

When one cannot engage reverse gear its quite simple to end up in such a predicament

Service is due every 12,500 miles. So on this 10,000pa deal you will only need to service it once. Nice.
Additional mileage over the 10,000pa is charged at 6p + vat p.m. so £72 per thousand. As I do about 11-12 thousand a year this could be deal breaker but it is the cheapest 'additional mileage' rate I've seen.
I've spoken to them and am waiting for a written quote to be emailed now.
I will post back as soon as I've heard from them.

No, It was brand new and a factory order as I had a lot of options. Not sure servicing, tyres etc is relevant as you have to pay that on a personal lease anyway unless you have a maintained one which is silly money. MOT would have been two for £30 each.

Apples to apples. You could add a turbo to this for more horse power. You could have bought a Suzuki Cappuccino with 136bhp from a 660cc engine.

The whole point was you saying it only has 71hp and my point was Fords version of the same engine only has 8hp more.

You obviously didn't plan for this eventuality. Hopefully there will be more clued in people who won't need to take your advice.

How do people accidentally get pregnant anyway? I guess if you drink it could happen otherwise you should know the possible outcome.

FFS every time, every single time, I mean every time some one asks this. Get a clue will you please! I am getting increasingly annoyed now, every time a lease deal comes out you get absolutely absurd questions being asked. GRRR So damn annoyed GRRR!!!! Raging!

You can't possibly think that this car is only £2144 can you, use your brain!

NO YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY BACK. YOU LEASED THE CAR. YOU PAID FOR THE TIME YOU USED THE CAR! THAT'S WHAT LEASING IS.

So was it used when you bought it ? £8k to cover 60k miles is a very good cost. How much did you spend on servicing, repairs, MOTs, tyres etc?

I've called they were not sure what was available colour wise she said she would find out and let me know, what have you had a quote for can I ask?

Yes it is a 1.0 litre engine with 125ps. Yes it has a turbo but it is still a 1.0. Not sure what point you are trying to make to be honest.

Have you read either link? Didn't think so.
Read this one.

Purchase price - April 2010 - £18k

Sale Price - Feb 2015 - £10k.

I sold my 5 year old Octavia VRS diesel with 60k on the clock for £8k less than what I paid for it brand new. Please find me a lease that costs £8k for 60k miles over 5 years?

Wow. You did exceptionally well there. What were the purchase and sale prices?

The other car with NVS is an automatic where as this is manual. if comparing price

Yes mines just arrived.

I'm pretty sure it's a typo it should have been £135.07 + VAT just look at the other deals on offer for the same car listed below on the page.
The prices are arranged incrementally from low to high for each contract length :man:

It would cost more than this to hire a car for a day! Amazing deal in my humble opinion.

So has anyone actually had this deal confirmed?
As it looks very much like a typo.

Ford's 1.0 naturally aspirated engine only puts out 79hp so only 8hp more. If you want more power get the 0.9Tce engine. That gives you 90hp or 110-114 chipped.

​pls stop this kind of comments, not funny any more :man:

See post above from dave80.

Didn't say they didn't continue to depreciate? Keeping a car for 5-10 years is usually cheaper than 3-5 2 yr leases depending on the car and maybe you like to have some options on your car too which ramp up the lease costs. Most cars now have a 5 year warranty and if they aren't under warranty they can usually be fixed fairly cheap by a good indy garage.

Also depends on the mileage you do as well. Just because you lease it doesn't mean everyone has to.

If I got another job that didn't come with a company car and commuting wasn't that far, I would pick up one of the lease deals on here for around £150-200 a month. But at the moment I have a company car and I bought a fun car for the weekend which due to the deal i got on buying it, realistically I won't really lose any money in the first two years, and with how I look after cars it will always sell easily.

I sold my 5 year old Octavia VRS diesel with 60k on the clock for £8k less than what I paid for it brand new. Please find me a lease that costs £8k for 60k miles over 5 years?

If you get the right deal to start with then you alleviate the majority of the short term depreciation hit that new cars suffer with.

Only if you are stupid enough to walk into a dealer and pay list price do you really get stung with depreciation, or have it on PCP and are forced to give it back at the end or have another car because you didn't have the foresight to realise you needed to pay £10k at the end of it.

As you cited traffic and speed cameras where you live as devaluing powerful cars, yes I do interpret it that way!

Cars continue to depreciate after 3 years too you know. The depreciation curve may become shallower, admittedly, but they don't stop depreciating. And once they're more than 3 years old, most vehicles are no longer under warranty so your costs are no longer fixed and known - you have repairs to contend with. I have one car that I've owned for 9 years and one that gets changed on lease every 2 or 3 years. But I only hold the older car as it is now appreciating due to rarity.

There are pros and cons to both buying and leasing. I've decided to buy a car with the aim of running it for 10 years. Barring any major issues (plenty of cars reach 10 years without them) it should work out cheaper than doing 5x2 year leases. Also there is the possibly of an unexpected cost with leasing. What if the car is damaged by others e.g in a supermarket car park? Then you have the choice of paying for the damage or claiming on insurance (potentially losing any NCD and increasing your premiums). At least if you own the car you can defer fixing it as long as you're comfortable.

If you want to keep it longer than 2/3 years. Not everyone changes their car every couple of years you know.

If that's your interpretation of what I wrote..

Not playing top trumps...merely making a statement that 71bhp is slow for a road car by today's standards when Ford can get over 130bhp from a 1.0.

But as usual this is HUKD where the world no longer makes sense and everyone's opinion is wrong and everyone has to jump on the bandwagon to slate everyone's thoughts.

I voted this hot, I just said that 71bhp is slow and only suitable for around town. End of.

0-60: Yes.

Why buy a car? You tie up working capital in a depreciating asset. Why would you want to do that?

Every single lease thread........go and learn the basics of finance FFS...

So you're saying if there weren't speed cameras you'd be speeding?

You chipped a Golf R then..to about 350bhp.

Not sure it will be that slow to be honest - would imagine 0-30mph it's pretty quick due to low inertia. 268bhp per tonne. Pah! 308 in my AMG, seeing as you want to play power top trumps. And 99% of the time it can't go anywhere any faster than this little two seater (as I live in London, and between the traffic and the cameras, there really is diminishing value in powerful cars )

It is a typical motor.....Its a Golf.....

I think it maybe a typo... From looking at the list of prices, looks like it should be £135.07 and not £35.07.

BUT... If it isn't a typo, its a bargain!

why rent a property?
financially for some, leasing is actually cheaper than buying new and suffering the depreciation every few years.

Aye, you're one to be telling others to be careful! :stuck_out_tongue:

268bhp per tonne is (road-) racecar territory, Lotus Elise Cup, Maseratti Quattroporte etc. Not a typical motor by any means.

so they've went from 698cc (61bhp) to a 1ltr (71bhp). I used to drive a smart roadster which I had fully tuned. using Google it's original 698cc I was on 130bhp and it weighed around 700-750kg with the original engine. Eventually I went to a smartuki https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vExpEl0_5-Y
not a roadster but you get the idea. One of the most fun and exciting cars I've ever driven. left many a Ferrari, Porsche, gmc cyclone standing. not a day goes past I don't regret getting rid of it but the costs were getting ridiculous for what it was.

Don't get leasing. Why HIRE a car? It's not your car so what's the point?

​yes you can keep the car and it also comes with free petrol to cover those 10k miles per year

just her that got pregnant? I'd be having a talk with her if you weren't involved or knew about it. :P

wish it was on 4 seats .

Elastic bands for the engine, hair clipper oil and sodium bicarbonate and white vinegar for fuel.

Passion................!!!

Ok, I have gained 75BHP giving me 268BHP per tonne. I was mearly making a comment that this thing is slow but around town will be acceptable. IE, its not a cross country cruiser, its a shopping car.

Problem could have been rectified with a condom. Don't blame the poor C1. :disappointed:

That's hardly the cars fault is it?

If you want to see the stupidity of the average HDUK member, post a deal about leasing a car. Some of the replies are incredible.

Great deal and heat added but be careful getting something like this just because it's cheap. We got a c1 as second car which has so far gone well but problem is 6 month in to a 2 year lease the Mrs got pregnant so now there's 2 adults 3 kids but 4 seats

95bhp per tonne is quite respectable really. Was going to say to whoever posted that they'd remapped their car for that amount of gain, that 71bhp as a figure on its own means nothing. 95bhp per tonne - I don't know but I would think that's better than your average VAG 1.6TDi car? (say 110bhp, 1500Kg +...)

​actually loads if space in these, higher than most cars. Size due to no back seat and some clever design.

£89 all-in per month, cheap to insure, economical, decent spec considering the price, 95bhp per tonne, top speed 92mph (100mph when slip-streaming an Eddie Stobart).

Tempted.

Don't bite. There's no way they've been a member that long and not come across previous lease deals and seen the comments.

This does seem like a good deal for a new car and unbelievably cheap motoring! Though it's, let's say, quite a 'divisive' car to drive!

Should be called stupid.

71BHP! I have just done a remap on mine that has given me that extra! :sunglasses:

Still, good deal for a city runaround.

Looks great to me, heat added!

Anyone know what maintenance you'll likely be exposed to on this?

Shame its not an auto

Exactly what I've been looking for - hoping to secure this today! Cheers op :smiley:

Do you keep the car at the end? It's a lot of money if you just have to give it back.

Here we go again with the old buy lease debate

LOL. You'd have to pay me £1,979.00 to drive that around.

I guarantee the people complaining this is expensive, will be the people who spend £60 a month on an iPhone contract and think that's great! :smiley:

Seems a great deal but I think the other one may be more expensive because it was a turbo engine.

Good good deal!..I think about it!:wink: