£79 on Vodafone brand new and about £1.60 for an unlock code on Ebay so why on earth would you opt for a second hand phone.

Will Android M make the 8gb usable by allowing internal apps to be used on the sd card?

Can't figure out how to buy one without a top up though...

Choose your top up bundle and add to basket, you are not charged for the bundle. If you choose a £10 bundle then you have to top up by £10 to activate it, if you don't want it or are on another network just don't top up.

I'm sure someone can explain it better than me :smiley:

I don't think they have them in store to collect immediately, think it's next day. You pay online and collect in store as far as i can see.

​They all (network operators) used to do battle in the streets to get you on their network. Nowadays they are NFI.

I ordered mine yesterday evening. It has literally just been pushed through the letter box and I can confirm it is in brand new condition. The only difference between this and a 'new' one is the retail box, that's it. Well pleased :smiley:

will this work on my current EE sim?

You'll need to get it unlocked which is £1.25 from ebay, I've just unlocked mine.

I was really hoping for the 16gb version. Anyone know of any deals for the 16gb version?

£79 on Vodafone brand new and about £1.60 for an unlock code on Ebay so why on earth would you opt for a second hand phone.

They are most likely customer returns. Open box, take phone out, don't like it, return to box, send back. I would throw the same thing back at you and say, why on earth would you pay an £10 extra for the same phone in the same condition and buy it from the worst company ever?

Edit: OOS at Vodafone, it's been like that for at least the week that I have spent looking for one.

Thanks OP, was just about to order a new unlocked one from amazon for £117, Absolute bargain!!

This has been on for many weeks at this price ....

Great price ,just ordered as its perfect for what i need . Hot

​mucho thanks

Just ordered one using my friend's bank card. Being delivered tomorrow.

are these running 6.0.1?

​did you not have to sign for it? i have just got an email saying i will need to sign for it. hope i dont miss the delivery.

I bought one a couple of months ago it came on 5.something, it upgraded to 6.0.

it was on 5.0.1 android on the two refurbs i got, and would not update to 6.0 motorolla confirmed a problem, so this guy is lucky as both phones wont take upgrades for me and i have to return to motorolla at my cost, or get refund from o2

Great bargain thanks OP! I have been waiting for this price for some time. Awesome! I had some problems checking out on the PC (it didn't like my date of birth!) but worked fine when checking out from a phone.

​yes they are

​doesnt matter on marshmallow 6.0 as when you insert an SD card you can use that as internal memory now, got a 128gb in mine been running great for a month :wink:

I love this phone , it's fast and on par with ones that cost 3 times the amount :sunglasses:

But I think the 16gb version has 2gb or ram rather than 1gb.

​That sounds great. Will you introduce me to your friend?

​Oh he doesn't know he's bought me one...

Is it quite snappy compared to the original Moto G?

Not all apps can be moved to SD card with Android 6

If an app supported being moved to the SD card in earlier versions of Android then it will install to the SD card in Marshmallow, provided you're using the SD card as internal storage. Also, when apps are installed to SD card and you create files using those apps e.g. photo edits then those files you create get stored to SD card. I'm really impressed with the OS so far.

Thanks OP, ordered and being delivered tomorrow. Bargain!:smile:

It's been said a million times but its worth saying again....

1gb/8gb is a waste of time on Android.

£70 doesn't represent a saving, it's a waste of £70 because the phone is obsolete unless all you want to do is make phone calls and occasionally check the weather forecast.

Not the best phone around but for under £70 absolute steal :smiley:

I think that's too harsh a take on this phone (and similar phones) running Android 6 (such as the Moto E2). With adoptable storage ( http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/135716-how-to-use-adoptable-storage-on-android-6-0-marshmallow ) some apps start using the microsd card to store some of their data by default. More modern apps start putting some of their data there (specifically their obb files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opaque_binary_blob ), with app updates keeping the data there, and you can also set photos and music to be stored there too. You have 8GB of storage on the phone and after deducting about 3.5GB for the Android OS, and further space for working, there is a bit over 2GB for apps. Apps vary in how much of their data they store on the card, but larger, more modern apps can store most of their data on the card. This might allow an extra 2/3GB of extra space for apps, and with photos and music off-card, it might make it viable. That said, the Moto G 4th gen is well reviewed ( http://www.trustedreviews.com/motorola-moto-g-review ), and costs 'only' 159.99 ( http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/moto-g-4th-gen-16gb-sim-free-black-white-with-2yr-guarantee-159-99-delivered-john-2462864 ).

These are waterproof aren't they?

It's the ram which is the major problem. Android is actually very inefficient with it's ram usage and doesn't clear memory properly. Install all the apps that you want to install and which you think you'll use eg. Facebook/Messenger, Email, Google Maps Navigation, BBC iPlayer, YouTube etc, and the phone will just grind to a halt with use over time. I have a 3gb phone with everything I need installed. I run a few apps and I regularly reach over 1gb of ram usage NOT including the OS. So I'm regularly reaching over 2gb of total ram usage. On a 2gb phone I'd have to be regularly using task and apps killers to clear memory. A 1gb phone would be impossible.

I've ordered to collect from store. Ordered last night does anybody know when it's likely this will be available from? Thanks

​You should never use those task killing apps on Android. The only reason you're using so much RAM is so the apps are already in memory so load up quicker. Android is quite good at using RAM on devices with 1GB+ RAM. Remember - unused RAM is wasted RAM.

Actually I didn't they put it straight through the box!

Yes they are.

Sorry but what nonsense. You have to have serious amount of apps running to affect performance, I have all the usual suspect apps running and I'm using it for web browsing and a bit of gaming, I haven't had any lag or slowdown whatsoever and I'm running MM. £70 wasted this is not.

You must be playing Tetris or some basic tic-tac-toe tyype game because everyone knows that this phone spec is comical.

The Huawei P8 Lite can be had for around this price from CPW (PAYG upgrade) - it has 2GB RAM and 16GB - might be a better buy?

No, your attitude and assumptions are comical.

It could be yes, but it's battery is rather poor so for me the better battery of the Moto G won out. Horses for courses :smiley:

OK I just received this phone but I'm going to be sending it back. The camera surround (metal strip) is peeling away from the body. Also, I can't find any info on the internet but it's got 3 red "X" symbols in between the SIM and SD card slots. Does this mean it's water damaged?

Oh no that's bad luck :disappointed: I don't know about the red x symbols sorry. You're supposed to be getting a handset in new condition, I'm sure you will have no problems getting it swapped. Good luck.

Anyone know how easy is it to return if I'm not happy with it?

Yeah I had high hopes for it as well. Also, it says the software is up-to-date yet it's on 5.1.1. According to Motorola the Marshmallow update was pushed to O2 Moto 3rd Gen phones in February.

Even a blind man can see that 1gb/8gb becomes incredibly laggy over time when you use Android in the way that it's intended to be used on a smartphone. Just have a look on numerous online forums about people's real world world experiences of the phone becoming laggy or freezing as it gums up over time. Marshmellow for example, can completely kill the phone's performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MotoG/comments/40xvcf/moto_g_2015_us_soooo_slow_after_marshmallow_update/

Look at this by way of another example. How do you think you're going to get by with 1gb when you start running additional apps?



What are you going to do? Factory reset the phone everytime you use it? Constantly install/uninstall apps before and after every use?

1gb was fine in 2011, but you'd be absolutely mad to chose a 1gb over 2gb+ in 2016 particularly when you can get a 2gb phone for another £20-30.

​yes it is :smiley:

My MM update popped up straight away, not sure why yours is different.

OK. I had a Moto G 2nd gen before which were all 8gb/1gb and It ran with no issues at all, I restarted the thing literally 3 or 4 times in it's life. I dont just run 'tic-tac-toe' or 'the weather' as you put it, I run all of the mainstream apps just like everyone else does, and have zero issues. I'm not saying that should I add another 20 or 30 apps then I'm not going to have problems, I'm sure I would, but as it stands it really is good enough and suffers no lag or performance issues.

I can see your reasoning, but you are missing the point in that I have chosen a 1gb handset because I know that it will run everything I personally need. I wouldn't buy one for you because you're clearly a heavy user, I'm not though.

For those that have received it, was a charger included?

It's still a poor buy, particularly when you can get the noticeably better spec'd and better built Xiaomi Redmi 3 for £85.

http://www.androidauthority.com/xiaomi-redmi-3-review-679545/

Hi OP. Shouldn't this be £79 in the title, unless you know how to get it for £69??

​Oh it is £69.99. You add the £10 bundle but all that is is a SIM card they send you with no credit on. It doesn't cost anything. They just want you to activate it by putting £10 on.

You don't pay the £10 top up bundle unless you chose to when you receive it. Just need to pay a couple of quid to unlock it.

Brilliant, may order one then. Will add heat!

Bought one yesterday and got the delivery today !! Great find OP !! :smile:

I'm having trouble ordering it. On the checkout page I keep getting an error message. Anyone else had problems?

I have a unlocked 2gb model for sale used for one day with receipt on gumtree live in Northern Ireland and won't post sorry

​how much?

I have a 1GB 2nd gen and have to agree it's insufficient. I don't use memory hogs like Facebook and just have Tapatalk, Aquamail, Gmail, Afwall+ and a VPN app running most of the time but still find I have to regularly swipe them from the recent apps screen to be able to use the app I want to use at the time without severe lag.

As for moving apps to SD, as far as I know the SD can't be encrypted like the internal storage, so I wouldn't want to put anything on the SD that might reveal personal/confidential info.

Can u send the link for unlock plz?

------- Have tried twice to buy and still not got it, everything goes through (payment wise) but no email to say i have got it and no phone (ordered last week). Seems i will just stick my my nexus with a damaged usb

It's not required, select 'keep current sim'. To see this option, put your browser in 'no style' page view, since vodafone hide the option.

Personally I'd rather pay £10 extra for a new one with a new battery.

edit: Actually this doesn't work anymore :disappointed:

I got mine yesterday and it looks like new to me. I tried my Tescos sim and it worked without the need to unlock. I think Tesco use O2 network.

Well I didn't bother sending mine back. I used superglue to stick the metal camera surround back down (looks a right state now) and I flashed Marshmallow onto it. Still not sure why an update wasn't available from O2.

I've received mine, but have a question for those with more knowledge.

Between the SIM card and the Micro SD slots are three red crosses. Are these an indication of water damage? o2 say no (they say "red crosses indicate the triple sim card slot for your phone"), but I'd appreciate your opinion.

Just picked up one of these (from O2 since the vodafone 'no top-up loophole' seems to have been closed). As far as I can tell it's barely been used if at all. Got it unlocked for £1.05, so it's on three now, and I've got the official flip shell case ordered for it.

Only complaint, screen contrast isn't great.

Btw mine has no red crosses KingBruss.

I tried about 8 times to order it from the O2 website but it rejected my bank cards, from three different banks, and after ages on online chat they couldn't sort it so asked me to try again a few hours later.