What's the point with the 1000 series coming out next month? Now is not the time to buy!

Console peasant are we?

I guess so, but you'd honestly have to be out of your mind to buy a flagship/high-end gpu at this time...

Gamers want performance not efficiency. I'll be amazed if the price of these come down much more than this.

The previous 780ti's and their massive cuts were another story because the lack of ram on them made them almost obsolete in comparison to the 980ti replacement...

I doubt thatll happen again, maybe with the gtx 980 but i doubt with the 980 ti, especially since its a small 4-5 fps for gaming in 4k

The price didn't stay the same. OCUK was clearing some cheap 780/Ti's around the 970/980 launch.

Like you said,Personal Opinion, l don't like getting into debates about makes/brand, But Personal fee strongly about this brand, that it I will be over my dead body, l buys it , guess l can see the attraction, still don't mean l like.For the love Internet.How in the world they get away with?

Yh but they still always beat high end GPUs. Youll see when the benchmarks come out

Usually the ti model is released to compete with AMD, but their new cards are targeting mainstream, not high end GPU's.

Lol what'll be funny is when everyone buys the gtx 1080 then the gtx 1080ti comes out in4-5 months and it just smashes the 1080 out the water, causing the 1080 to drop £100

Most specialist websites are claiming it's as fast as a Titan, although specs aren't all there yet. If you tell people it'l be slight;y faster than a 980 especially with the change from 28mm to 16mm, they won't be that impressed. Most are wetting themselves over these two cards.... cultofmash, jayztwocents, pcperspective... anyway the benches come out in two days I think just for the 1080 though. Imo the 1070 will be the same speed as a Fury (non x)....

Yes ofcourse the 1070 will be slower than the gtx 980 ti, they stated the 1070 will only perform better in Vr and is better than the titan x in performance, not the 980 ti. Also when the 970 came out everyone thought it would smash the 780 ti but the 780 ti was still on top

selling my 980ti for 375 so this is wayy too expensive

The Polaris 480/490 are touted as low/mid range cards. You may be disappointed if you are looking for top end performance.

Also, there is no point in talking about the founders edition. It's $100 more than the MSRP.

I do agree, that in this country we get shafted when it comes to things like this. But if as they say the 1070 is faster than a 980 ti/titan, then the 980 ti will make absolutely no sales at all, if it stays at that price point you suggest.
the 1070 will be £360ish for the founders and £290ish for the the board partners. Therefore surely the second hand market for the 980ti will have to go below the £290 mark eventually, dont you think?

Personally, I do believe that the 1070 will be slower than the 980ti.
Ill be after a 480/490 myself

lol and im selling mine for 390 quid on here

You wont thats what everyone thought would happen to the gtx 980 when the 980 ti came out, or the 780 ti when the 980 came out, but the price stayed the same for 1 year after they came out. The gtx 980 ti never went for £300-£350, even on eBay second hand ones go forr above £385.

I could bet to you the gtx 1080 founders edition is gonna cost atleast £499, but most likly £549.99 in the uk since we have 20% VAT to pay plus other taxes,

It was a fraudster who was selling it. I checked too. These go for around £400 on ebay auctions and buy it now.

No it isn't. That's a really poor analogy.

It's like saying you can put your foot the the metal on your car, but could you please leave the Air Conditioner at 90% instead of max?

Considering MSRP is $599 for the 1080, which should be 415 pounds at current conversion, I have a really hard time believing your guess of 550...

Plus, we're talking the used market of cards, not the new one. So comparing a 415-450 (better estimate I think) to a 350 used card is not fair.

A 980 ti just sold for £285+del just a few days agooO

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-Months-old-EVGA-GeForce-GTX980Ti-6GB-SuperClocked-/322102335717?hash=item4afecb98e5:g:1okAAOSw8vZXMAdc

The second hand market for nvidia cards has taken a 20% nose-dive literally over night. a gtx 970 is now just £170 or a tad more. A 980 ti is now £300/350.

A 980 ti for £300 or a 1080 founders edition for £550 (give or take) The 1080 will probably be no more than 30% faster than a ti/titan. the 980ti is much better value. The prices will continue to come down. You might even be able to pick up a 980ti for £250 within the next 3 months or so

The low end market for nvidia in the country will stay the same ( as it always does)

It's like saying :what is the point buying 300hp car if the speed limit is 60mph.

Aye, I think it's a bit of a farce... But people want to turn things up to 11.

Was referring to all the individual settings you now have.

Don't you hate it when a game can have Very High or Ultra as the highest setting? It never made any sense to me.

There is a reason why games come shipped with predefined "Ultra" settings.

They know that some features should simply not be set, even under what they consider "Ultra".

I also wouldn't consider 2 features a 'mine field'... But Neither NVIDIA or AMD could handle SSAA maxed on 1080p without a massive performance loss on both. You are essentially playing at a resolution even higher than 4k.

Seems to be quite a minefield of which settings to use on which resolution. This could be the reason why geforce now have recommended settings in their control panel (geforce experience). Not that I'm saying this is the best settings, just a guide really.

I don't class AA in the "maxed" word when talking about games because it's completely dependent on game and resolution. Some AA implementations can bring the highest end GPU to it's knees. "Maxed with 2x AA" is probably a better way to state things.

What I find crazy is that people talk about max settings, when they don't actually use max settings.
Next time people will be talking about their gtx960 running games in 4k/120fps on max setting , while havinng everything on low, and just one thing on ultra.
Max is max,not most of the settings.

DX11 games with token implementations of DX12 where performance is worse across the board... I mean, are you really counting that?

Tomb Raider 1080p DX11, without setting 4x SSAA (which is, is essentially making the game's resolution 7680x2160 and downscaling back to 1080p) is absoutely great for 60fps.

MSAA is the correct AA to select.

I find it really crazy that people expect to click every box to 'max' and then go "but my card doesn't handle that!" It's because some settings actually change the native resolution from 1080p to something much higher and then reduces it back to 1080p.

DX12 seems unoptimized in games at the moment. Maxing AA is not a great idea for most GPU's unless it's FXAA.

Tomb raider, GTA V, division . And I am talking about ultra details, when everything is set to max,not most settings. People like to talk about how their gtx970 runs everything on max, and then it turns out they have no aa enabled for instance. I had 970 and I am talking from experience. At the moment I have 980ti and on dx12 ultra setting this can dip below 60 fps

What is struggling and which games? Honestly curious, because I don't buy that comment. I've not seen the 970 struggle on a 1080p game yet.

If you want 1080p 60fps... I don't know if I can name a game that isn't 1080p 60fps with a 970 on ultra.

I can only think of WItcher 3 with hairworks on. Hairworks off its back above 60fps.

Anyway, the point was about a 120 quid gfx card, even if there is a game that starts to push ultra 1080p below 60fps, it's still an amazing 1080p card.

For £120 choice is limited.

It is decent card, but is struggling on ultra with modern games

I actually have a feeling the resale market will be much smaller than you think.

The 970 is a superb 1080p card. There is little reason to upgrade right now.

You should be able to pick up a 970 shortly for decent money. The 2nd hand market will be flooded with them.

If you must get one now, the 960 or the 380 are good options.

But I would suggest the 6950 isn't that big of jump compared to the 750ti, 380, or 960. You would probably be better earmarking that 120 quid and getting a slightly better 1060/1070 or Polaris.

I do have a 2500k, for what it's worth. Lots of RAM and an SSD too, so it's just the GPU that's holding me back.

I'd recommend waiting to see what Polaris does with the low end budget cards.

If not, the 960 or 750ti are great cards for machines without an i5 2500k or higher CPU.

The AMD 380 is good for machines that have a quality CPU... Still hard to pass on a 960 as it's much more CPU friendly.

I've been out of the game for FAR too long and I have no idea what's what now. I'm currently running a Radeon 6950 and it's really showing it's age. What would be the best upgrade for around £120?

I think the 1070 will be between 320 to 350 but hoping it's closer to the magical 300 mark which made the 970 such a winner. Expecting it to closely match the 980ti performance. Over clocked it might even edge ahead.

Still hoping AMD can surprise us all with a Polaris card which is close to 980ti performance around the 250 mark but I'm starting to think it may be wishful thinking on my part.

The other option is wait a bit. Keep my 970 until AMD get Vega out and then Nvidia will bring out a proper Pascal cards. The 970 has had an amazing shelf life really but these new cards won't last anywhere near as long given the new cards are the first ones utilising the die shrink.

Also throw in I'm at gaming at 1080p so I can still get 60 fps in most games with eye candy reduction tweaks.

Can I resist though!

Yeah, sorry, starting MSRP non-reference... They changed everything and I said that backwards... :-D

But yeah, they basically turned the reference card into some 'collectors' edition. We'll see if it pans out!

"Reference" is founders... But who calls the spendy card a reference card? So they changed the name to "founders" edition.

Im confused :smile:

Not quite... $379 is starting MSRP for non reference cards.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3067744/components-graphics/nvidias-geforce-gtx-1080-and-gtx-1070-founders-edition-graphics-cards-explained.html

Basically, NVIDIA are trying something different with their "reference" cards. I don't know how it will work.

$379 is for reference, what do they look like?

Prices were cut last generation so we can assume they will again. If not, waiting for a 1070 is probably a better choice over this, for cheaper, from what we've been let to believe.

No, the founders edition is a specially designed reference card. the PCB (PCA?) is unique looking. It isn't a specially binned card, just looks 'neat' (from what I read).

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2016_NVIDIA_Pascal_FINAL_published-page-032.jpg

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-pre-order-listed/

It looks... Like the 1080 founders is $699, non founders is $599.

1070 founders is $449, non founders $379.

If those prices translate within 20% of their US to pound values... We should see a 1070 coming in at 290 tops.

But I've seen UK pricing be a bit odd at first...

Lots of people saying wait and dont buy this now.
I predict some will be a little disappointed. We all know that intel processors hold onto their prices really well, and judging by the very modest price decrease on these, i cant see the price of these plummiting like some are predicting when the new range are released. I think NVidia are starting to use the intel route.

I bet the prices of the new range will be higher than these to avoid big discounts. We shall see though...

Reference is the founders edition.

AMD should be announcing low-end GPU's soon.

Reference card was priced at $380, that isn't a guess.

Conversion right now on 380 is 263 quid right now. But I am a bit hesitant to assume straight conversion, so I would go up to 290...

But why not? It's priced well and is built well, it doesn't have to be priced 350 quid...

I am after a budget card like the GTX 750Ti or R7 360. Will new budget cards come out at the same time and will this range fall in price? Cheers

For the 980 Ti to drop to 1070 price and below they'll have to cut it over £200. That reason I think the 1070 is going to be more like £300-350 or even more.
At £260 it would literally fly off the shelves.

If that's true, unless the 980tis drop below the 1070 price ($380, probably 260-290 pounds), no one will buy it over the 1070.

If what Nvidia is saying is true, that the 1070 is faster than a Titan then that could be the card to go for and we should see loads of used 980ti's being sold on the forums for cheap..

Take a look a the review. It says it within the review I linked.


So yes, in Ashes, the 1080 is doing the job of dual 980 Ti.

The 1080 will be listed at $600 in the USA and the cheapest 980TI that I can see on amazon.com is about $590 right now. Even if you don't need the extra speed of the 1080 you may as well wait for the 980TI price to drop when the 1080 does hit the streets - or wait to pick up a 1070, which should give you >980 performance for a lot less money. It looks like there's likely to be a lot of GPU bargains over the next few months. Current prices aren't looking great given the fact that consumers know the new hardware is coming.

No, buddy. 980, not TI.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-dx12-benchmarks/

Looking pretty impressive so far! The 1080 is reported to be as good as 2 980 ti cards.

What do you think Ferrari?

So, NVIDIA announce that the new generation includes async compute, and you do your best to spin yarn.

When AMD spin yarn, you blindly accept it?

What do you think of the Polaris cards not being aimed at the high end market? Are you up in arms about that?

Wouldn't bother since for the same money in 3 weeks time will get a card 30-40% faster

I posted the image showing what NVIDIA states in their slides doesn't mean it'll happen.

Nvidia can claim all they like. If Maxwell 'Has' Async compute it never worked did it? It was clearly broken. They had to turn it off. Now they claim to have a 'new' Async compute?

Still not in hardware they do not. Can't wait to see DX12 benchmarks proving it.
So many blind people believe Nvidia's smoke and mirrors.
Meanwhile AMD already 1.5 billion up on next gen over the next three years without selling one retail unit (not including renewed Apple deal).

Our Pascal-based GPUs feature enhanced asynchronous compute, and are the first to harness the power of 8GB of Micron’s new GDDR5X memory. The GTX 1080 is the first gaming GPUs designed for the 16nm FinFET process.

Should please Ferrari........

I think he just died.

The conference starts at 2am BST, when more information will be revealed. Not staying up myself :-)

Yes only, what you were expecting more?

NVIDIA cards hold their price well even when a new gen comes out. Current prices will only go down by around £80.

That batch will push older gen cards down.

It's not that we are suggesting to buy the 1080, it is that we are suggesting to buy the 980ti at a later time as it will go down in price.

What's the point with the 1000 series coming out next month? Now is not the time to buy!

simply put, he's crazy.

Dunno about that. Some guy has got 3 x Titan's

This generation is a dieshrink breakthrough, we know that 100%, we don't know that for next generation. The top tier GPU's will be running HBM2 by the end of the year, maybe early 2017, that is what we do know, the rest if not rebadged will be on 16/14nm as opposed to 28nm today. The 980 is said to be released soon which will be equivalent to this GPU, maybe with less ROP's. If you want the 980 Ti today, buy it, it won't effect anyone, but say the 1080 is released in a month, what happens to the value of this card if the 980 is cheaper than it but performs better. Think about the people that bought the Titan X for gaming a month before the 980 Ti was released, which was very close to same performance but half the price, just the Titan X keeps it's price for being what it is.

We all know new things are always around the corner, but new equivalent GPU's aren't released every month. They do have a release schedule, just like Intel CPU's. Sometimes it's best to wait a bit and see what's new, even if you're not planning on buying what's being released... To see how the releases effect current prices. This is HUKD after all :smiley:

And my 980ti will last 5 years just like my previous card. All I'm saying is nobody knows what's around the corner, who's to say there won't be another breakthrough after this one that increases performance another 50% my point was I don't sit waiting for what may come constantly.

8GB will be the norm this generation I think. Just need games to make use of it :smile:

Most ridiculous discussion ever, for one it's a good deal. For two if you are always going to wait until a new gen of card comes out you will never buy anything. There is always a new card 6 months or a year down the line, are you going to spend £500 a year every year....jeez if so you are richer and stupider than I

Yup. Can't argue that it's not worth the extra £30 as part of a £1500 PC. :wink:

16GB is quite important for multi-GPU setups too. More so if they are high VRAM cards like the 390 or 980 Ti+, as the VRAM is copied in virtual address space (either in physical memory and/or pagefile). Say if you have 8GB physical memory and 8GB pagefile and you game with 2 980 Ti's consuming 4GB VRAM a piece, that's 8GB virtual address space alone consumed even before the OS, and the rest of the game.

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/alleged_gtx_1080_benchmarks_surface/1

1080 rumoured to benchmark just slightly higher than a stock 980Ti on an older CPU. So looks like there won't be much in it performance wise between the two...

ATI RADEON FTW!!! :wink:

Please no, don`t say stuff like that, next thing Ferrari100 is here.

Oh my goodness, please ignore user "ollie87". Not only did the clear numbers in that article confuse them, but so did the plain English summary - for some reason, "ollie87" drew an entirely different conclusion from the article than that provided by the numbers or the article authors themselves. The fact that they've just recommended a move from 8GB to 16GB on a DDR3 system really highlights a complete lack of understanding.

http://www.techspot.com/article/1043-8gb-vs-16gb-ram/page3.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/3zppoo/ram_battle_4gb_vs_8gb_vs_16gb_gaming_performance/

Move to 16GB if you're doing a lot of 7-Zip compression. Otherwise, stick with 8GB.

(If we were talking about 16GB of DDR4, the argument could be made for 16GB, as you'll be using it in a system for the next 6-10 years.)

Your 2500K is fine. You can probably clock it slightly higher if you want. But it's not holding your system back. At the end of 2017 we should have a lot of shiny new CPUs to choose from - that could be good timing to move to a DDR4 platform.

Too risky to buy this when pascal and polaris round the corner.

Value will drop there's no doubt. If you're upgrading soon, may as well.
Soon as there's a comparable GPU from AMD, say the equivalent 480/X for £150.

They are competing it's just green seems to be more desirable.

I for one hope AMD can compete this time but as a GTX 970 owner the rumours suggest I'm not who AMD are targeting with their initial set of cards. I hope I'm wrong though. Competition is good and I'm not tied to either supplier.

Anti Nvidia comments are stupid though.

Isn't either one worth waiting for? but i'll say this, if amd manage to get better performance and efficiency then nvidia i'll be surprised but grateful since AMD is always cheaper.

Now just manage to do that with some desktop CPU's and i'll come back

Bought a cheap unit off Amazon. My setup is: Line out to stereo cable - Isolator - stereo cable to mixer.

So many unknowns this year, so I wouldn't touch this GPU even though it's about the best performing single GPU card out there in current games.

1. Polaris / Pascal GPU architectures are out this year from AMD and Nvidia respectively
2. Direct X 12 performance may be significantly better on AMD GPUs

I'd hate to be doing a new build now, completely the wrong time. I suppose I'd go for GTX 970 / R9 290X/390X and then ditch the GPU once the new stuff proves it's a lot better, will cost you though. I wouldn't drop £460 on a GPU at this stage of the year.

If you can wait 6 months then wait, things will be clear then.

An i5 2500K @ 4Ghz is absolutely fine for VR. The thing barely breaks a sweat in most games. All Intel have really improved upon since is the power efficiency...

Sure there's also the ability to run 2400Mhz+ ram and PCI 3.0 on newer CPU's, but that gains a negligible performance increase of only a few frames...

I'm always thinking about upgrading my rig (2500K, Asus Maximus V Extreme, 16GB, 980 Ti) but then have realisations that there's not much point!

Just get a 980 Ti and you'll be golden.

x80 = 130% Ti. 2 more days.

I fail to see the connection between the events :stuck_out_tongue:
EA will show some Battlefield 5 gameplay and it will be released in November.
Meanwhile Nvidia announce specs & prices for baby Pascal cards and people can start buying them later this month.

I'm very much looking forward to the announcement (and release) of the Pascal & Polaris GPUs! Have completed my build and am awaiting a tasty graphics card for those sweet, sweet pixels...

I'm hoping the 1070/1080 (at least one of them :P) will be in and around the 970/980 prices... Will either bite for one of them, or just get a R9 390 that will hopefully hit around £200... Dreaming.

Ah, a paper launch then? Then it would be very appropriate for Nvidia to paper launch GP104 cards then! Maybe AMD will want to join in with a paper launch of Polaris too?

That CPU is getting long in the tooth, you might be okay. Moving to 16GB of RAM would help.

Could I pick your brains, would a i5 2500k 3.3ghz overclocked to 4ghz and 8gb DDR3 ram be ok for VR? Obviously I'll need a new graphics card (660ti I think I have) it's a 5 year old system! Really want to experience the HTC vive and have got the money down on a PSVR but would rather put that money on a graphics card and have a host of 1st and 3rd party games to play rather than only what Sony says you can play

Err.... what do you mean? The 780 Ti's improved in performance when moving from 2013 drivers to 2016 drivers, and it's still trading blows with the 290X in 2015/2016 games.


What have I missed?

Why do so many people think Battlefield 5 is launching on Friday, it's just a gameplay preview not a launch date.

You'll be stupid to get Nvidia right now or in the future...

It's been predicted that AMD cards will have greater perf/w than Nvidia and it will be cheaper. Even if it's not true, it'll still be worth waiting out and seeing what actually does happen.

Now this is what you do in your spare time?

Why the hate then? Do you need a hug?

Nope masterracer, just sold my PS4 after switching it on four times. I have a life.

Console peasant are we?

Cracking card, glad the prices haven't plummeted though after spending 550 on one last year. Not a great time to buy but this should easily see you through 1440p gaming for the forseeable future and can hit around 60fps on a lot of titles at 4K.

GCN has aged well. It really depends on the game. The 780 Ti has got better in some games, maybe slightly worse in others. It's nowhere near as bad as people make out.

Okay - so basically according to this the R9 290X has improved and the 780 Ti has gotten marginally worse? Interesting.

Might not be a few months - Battlefield 5 is launching on Friday and there are rumours that the 1070/1080 may get a soft launch on the same day.

I guess if you have absolutely no GPU at all, then buying a low/mid-range might be a good idea, temporarily. I don't know if a 980 Ti replacement will be out til the end of the year but it will be interesting to see how prices are effected when Polaris/Pascal are released.

I'd like to see a newer set of Benchmarks with some newer games, August 2015 is not far off a year ago now.

Sounds like someone has been drinking the Kool-Aid...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/70125-gtx-780-ti-vs-r9-290x-rematch-8.html

I guess so, but you'd honestly have to be out of your mind to buy a flagship/high-end gpu at this time...

no point buying a gpu now, cold

Good deal, ok brand. If you need a graphics card *right now* then go for it. But if you can wait to see what NVIDIA and AMD put on offer, even if you want to still buy the 980ti, you will save money or get a better card.

So, patience, yes, there will always be something better... But this is an exception.

On my second one of these and have coil whine. Loud enough that I think my motherboard is amplifying the sound through my speakers, only solved by using a ground loop isolator. Plays everything I chuck at it though.

Looks like a good deal to be, but I'm not sure whether I'd rather wait it out to get a 1080 next month, which won't be quite as quick but I reckon it'll hold its value a bit better

seems very low for new, low enough maybe to buy and hope the abilities of the 1080 are published within 30 days, so it can be returned or kept based on an actual comparison

Gamers want performance not efficiency. I'll be amazed if the price of these come down much more than this.

The previous 780ti's and their massive cuts were another story because the lack of ram on them made them almost obsolete in comparison to the 980ti replacement...

Yeah why buy this when the new ones out next month will reduce the price of these alot more