Somewhere, some place, there is some paint drying.

If you find it, you can watch it dry, instead of playing these games.

Or, you could just Press X to..

JAAAAAAAAAAAAASON!!!!

This is when you need to start worrying... :laughing:

First of all, it's 'you're'. I don't usually correct spelling mistakes on forums but you have just made the same one twice in a row.

Secondly, I have played these games and I'm telling you that playing them yourself is not the same as watching someone else play them but to each their own. At least we are agreed that the likes of FIFA are far more up your street than anything that attempts to be unique or meaningful.

OK firstly, I had to correct that use of the small letter I there because I couldn't let that one slide.

Secondly, console gaming won't die if NEO and an Xbox equivalent do surface (which is looking pretty likely at this point). Instead it will just become more awkward. The most likely outcome will be that very few titles will support the new hardware properly like in the case of the PlayStation Eye and Kinect and the new hardware will mostly just be used for 4k streaming video.

Thirdly, Street Fighter hasn't died it has just changed audiences. Fighting games in general lost most of their mainstream appeal years ago when Joe Public moved on to shooters instead and now you have a hard-core crowd following Street Fighter especially and they spend enough on it to keep it going. What it does mean though is that most of Street Fighter's rivals (e.g. Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Dead or Alive) have either fallen by the wayside, gone free to play or in the case of the latter two, now just try to appeal to the lowest possible denominator.

Because some people are damn fools. I had the same discussion with a lot of them on here and elsewhere last year when Until Dawn was released. They'd rather give their money to EA and Activision each year for a rehash of the same old crap rather than try something original.

Ok pumpkin. It looks like you are too upset to reason with. Lets just agree to disagree.
Besides it's almost 9pm so you should probably have a nice cup of warm milk and go to sleep.
You don't want to be a grumpy face all day at school tomorrow :smirk:

Your just making random BS up like claiming framerate will balance out because they are locked but having two separate types of hardware is not fixed hardware so yes it could mean higher framerate which turns multiplayer into pay to win. Look just stick to your never ending upgrading on PC. The whole point of a console is its suppose to be a one off purchase unless it breaks, slim model or a new gen console. If Sony think PS4 is so underpowered then they should just put the resources into a PS5. Thats what this rumoured PS4 is. A PS4 slim. There will be no upgrades or whatever so don't get your hopes up.

"Your ignorance is mind blowing. These are consoles not PCs so if you want to waste money then go right ahead but the whole point of consoles is that they are fixed hardware. It will also kill competitive multiplayer on consoles as people with upgraded consoles will have the advantage over regular PS4 owners. Just look at how dead multiplayer games are the PC and that includes COD which is the biggest franchise in gaming yet multiplayer dies out very fast due to people playing at different framerates"
Wow! someone's being a little grumpy so and so today :smirk:
OK, so you make a point to tell me these are "consoles" and "NOT PCs" and have "fixed hardware" (thanks for that) and then continue to use PC multi-player gaming as an example of what will happen to console multi-player gaming!?!?
You've just contradicted your own argument. Look, consoles will not have the same level of frame-rate, lag, performance variation that PCs have because, you said it, they are far more hardware specific (locked down). PCs are open season for every mod, cheat, tweak under the sun so you shouldn't be comparing them in this way.
What I was specifically getting at (I didn't mention multi-player at all as I don't do it on any format) was the boost in visual quality (graphics/possibility of 4K gaming) that's all. From what I've read that is the main thing a PS4.5 will bring, essentially a tick box that enables HD+ visuals. The processing power required for 4K @ 60fps is huge. You make it sound like a PS4.5 will have tons of spare horsepower to make games so much faster than PS4 games. Newsflash! the extra power will all be used up trying to push HD+ resolutions. e.g If a PS4 can run Uncharted 4 @ 60fps/1080p then a PS4.5 may (just may) also run @ 60fps/4K. IT'S ALL RELATIVE!!!!
As far as multi-player across a 2 tier PS4. The actual performance should balance out (so no huge advantage as you like to think) and on top of that with consoles being do specialised and locked down Sony should be able invoke a hard limit on performance cross platform. I really don't think you have a point and are way over-reacting. This is all speculation but I see a PS4.5 purely geared towards enhanced visuals driven by ever growing 4K TVs and maybe better results with PS VR.

If Sony and MS do make upgraded consoles i guarantee console gaming will die. Just look at how that model worked out for the Street Fighter franchise milking .5 upgrades and now that has caused Street Fighter 5 to bomb in sales. Same thing will happen to upgraded consoles as people will get fed up of upgrading and fewer and fewer people will upgrade. People forget to realize the reason PS4 sold so well was because there was a massive thirst for new consoles but that won't happen with PS5 if Sony are stupid enough to do .5 upgrades.

If you liked the Heavy Rain demo or games like Telltale's The Walking Dead or Until Dawn then yes, absolutely.

I play most games for story nowadays but there are a few exceptions out there. Heavy Rain is a cracking story so why would you want to watch it on youtube rather then give the developers their money so they can make more games like this?

Exactly what did after trying it. This is not a game. Its story ruined by random button pressing. Bloody awful.

Exactly, all this vitriol, buy it or don't! I would be interested as above, is it worth it for someone who has never played either on any console!? As for youtube walk through videos, I would never own a console if I wanted to do that! Why bother! Youtube clips of Fifa 16 goals? No need to buy the game! Together, we can crush the system, stick it to the man and cease the endless cycle of lining greedy Sony pockets! Or just give a vote accordingly, based on the deal, which is hot!

So, stepping away from the usual master race or console wars or digital physical debates that creep in on most game deals............is this package worth getting for someone who hasn't played either title?
Always wanted to try Heavy Rain back in PS3 days just based on first heard hype from a demo, but never got around to it.

I'm aware of that but I wouldn't describe that particular commenter as either.

Why is there so much hate? The games clearly look better on PS4 and if you missed the PS3 releases, then you get to enjoy them on a better, faster, higher-resolution console.

Games cost a hell of a lot to make. Woe betide a company that makes a game with high production values and who is willing to take a risk to follow their own path should try to recoup their investment.

Anger is a choice, in this case it is unwise to be angry over a video game. You always have a choice in how you feel.

It can also mean funny although I didn't find his/her comment funny, maybe just having an off day.

Paid £24 on amazon a week ago :disappointed:

​Great summary of both sides.

I'm also enjoying the opportunity to play remastered games as I had skipped the PS3 generation.

I'm still confused why these nay sayers would expect that some companies should invest more of their resources in new IPs or better sequels.

These companies must have made the decision and decided it was not worth the risk. They are only answerable to their shareholders and if they believe it is in their best interests to not take that risk then I could understand that. This is their investment decision.

If a fan disagrees with their decision then they could decide not to support them by not purchasing these games. Why they get so angry as well I don't know.

Heat given and Purchased, nice one dude! :smile:

I might grab these as I quite liked until dawn

First of all, it's 'you're'. I don't usually correct spelling mistakes on forums but you have just made the same one twice in a row.

Secondly, I have played these games and I'm telling you that playing them yourself is not the same as watching someone else play them but to each their own. At least we are agreed that the likes of FIFA are far more up your street than anything that attempts to be unique or meaningful.

I don't see the point in paying for movie games as I get the exact same experience as someone who paid full price and multiple endings or cutscenes don't bother me either as there are videos of those as well. Your right i'll stick to FIFA as at least its a videogame not a movie.

But that's kind of defeating the purpose. Those games allow you to make your own experience and include different branching paths. In fact in many ways they are far more dynamic than most modern big budget games, especially the likes of Battlefield and CoD.

I guess the problem with them, if you want to call it that, is that games like Heavy Rain require some sort of minimal intelligence and artistic understanding in order for someone to be able to comprehend what they are trying to do. You might be better off sticking with FIFA I think.

Your right but those games are the ones i'll just watch on YouTube and save myself some money.

Don't underestimate the greed of these companies. They will remaster some PS4 games which is really sad if you think about getting remasters of games from the same gen. Either way upgraded consoles will kill console gaming so hope those are just rumours from sites that are desperate for clicks. Theres no way "Neo" actually exists or its just a PS4 slim.

I agree with you until we get into the idea of digital marketplaces. If you buy a game on Steam/iOS/Android then that game will work across platforms for years and years to come regardless of whether or not you upgrade to a new phone/PC/whatever.

It is only the Xbox and PlayStation that have pushed digital marketplaces where your digital purchases are only worth anything until the next generation of hardware hits and IMHO that approach is wrong. Both have made small efforts towards supporting it now but there is still a lot of stuff that Sony could make cross-platform but have chosen not to do so on purpose.

Not every game needs replayability.

Anyone interested should just watch a playthrough on YouTube as both are basically interactive movies and have zero replayability.

I currently have a PS3 and have B2S still in its wrapper for years). I don't yet have a PS4. I couldn't care less how many older games they remaster (HD'fy), in fact i'm all for it (so long as next gen titles keep on coming for when I do get a PS4). All the moaning comes across as very childish.
I mean, when the hardware moved from DVD to Blu-ray films are we all somehow supposed to be entitled to the HD versions just because we had the DVD? Your answer should be "No".
People need to get a grip, except the changes in hardware and quit moaning like 6 year olds!!!

Already got an Xbox one in the house and played Halo 5 and Quantum Break on it but I was never. GoW fan. Also have a gaming PC too so I can play Arma 3, Day Z etc.

If what has been said about NEO is true then they should just be able to patch that in and it shouldn't require a re-release.

Saying that, Sony are proper greedy **** so nothing would surprise me unfortunately.

The card is 15£,is it possible to pay the remaining pound with another form of payment or am I missing something?

I like to play older games, but that's what PS Now or Xbox BC is for. There's not really a need for all these remasters if those exist.

When they release the 4K PS4 i can see this happening lol.

​And miss out on exclusives like halo 5 and gears of war 4. I had both consoles last gen and both this gen (plus wii u and pc). I got them on release day in Nov 2013 but now available at under £200 why not have best of both worlds?

Quick question, I loved heavy rain but hated the controls, are they the same here? Where you move the pad around and what have you? Cba if it's the same.

Woah is this price for both!? I presumed it was each...

And you are the reason why so many HD remasters exist for the PS4. It's just common sense really and means that Sony don't need to offer any kind of backwards compatibility as well.

Fantastic price I was going to get it but then I just ordered it from Amazon for an extra tenna as it’s a 60GB download!

I don't have an issue with remasters either because I never I had a PS3. I had a 360 last gen and there was a lot of people like me who moved over from the 360 to the PS4 for this gen not just for a change but to have the chance to play exclusives like the Last of Us and the Uncharted games. If there wasn't a market for it these remasters wouldn't come out.

am i just unable to search or do they really not sell heavy rain for ps3?
did find 2souls for 5.79 ps3 though

Two souls was ok but Heavy Rain!! <3

however Fahrenheit / Indigo Prophecy still leads the way for me....probably nostalgia but meh.

Somewhere, some place, there is some paint drying.

If you find it, you can watch it dry, instead of playing these games.

Or, you could just Press X to..

JAAAAAAAAAAAAASON!!!!

Many thanks. I've been holding off for these to drop in price. Both are amazing games.

It's criminal that old games are being 'remastered' to play on new consoles and we have to pay extra for the privilege. I mean it's not like we have to buy upgraded versions of PC programs to work with the latest operating systems on our computers... oh, wait :smirk:

£14.19 using CDKeys.

Full list of PS4 games here, if anybody wants to pick one :smirk: