Been on the lookout for one of these and this is the best price so far, lower than the previous best I could find from Amazon a few weeks back here:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lumia-950-sim-free-black-direct-from-amazon-for-343-2427748
When it was listed at £343.
I believe there is also a possibility of a £50 voucher for MS store too with referral, but I don't know if that's still on.
For me, I'd refer this smaller phone than the XL, and the 808(state) processor is easily enough!
Windows 10 now in a FAR better state than it was when it was 'released' *cough*.
Free delivery too.
No doubt there will be some voting cold on a Lumia deal, but I think this is the price for me to hit buy and replace my 930 :)
Top comments
bilbob to KinanswerMe
1 May 168#2
Depends what your needs are.
I went from a 930 (battery life getting short as it ages...) and went android with a mega battery. Apps were nice, but couldn't get on with android... Simply not as 'just works' as Windows for me.
Returned it to Amazon, now buying this.
Horses for courses.
KinanswerMe
1 May 166#1
I've got this phone and wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Camera is excellent, but the apps are buggy and few and far between. Really regretted not going Android. Just my 2 pence.
jldevoy
2 May 163#53
Ive owned each generation of windows phone but i wont be getting another, MS have given up on them. Windows10 isn't ready and MS are prioritizing their apps for ios and android.
cicobuff to jjabbar
1 May 163#30
Some useful ones might be nice though, instead of Microsoft getting rid of enticing ones that Nokia developed.
Latest comments (84)
bilbob
25 May 16#84
I'm not going to get dragged into another argument like this.
I find it bizarre that people try to tell me I'm wrong, that I can't like my experience, and that Android MUST be better.
Sorry, but I don't find that. My device doesn't lag any more than the 3gb 810 1080p device I had. It doesn't take nay more effort to get your head around W10 than in comparison to 8.1 than it does if you moved to android.
I know, because I tried!!
So, you are entitled to your opinions, but PLEASE, stop telling people who speak from experience, that they are wrong.
And WTABP, you keep referring to development rings.. .I've said it to you before, unless it's run on a production device, and FULL reset (you should be familiar with those as an insider) then you don't get the 'full experience'...
My previous 930 had issues, and as an insider, I expected the same issues on my new phone. But using production ring only, nearly all are gone. In the two or three weeks I've had it, I've had one random reboot, which I think was connected to a Bluetooth connection. No proper lags, maps work great, screen isn't too dim to use outdoors, battery life full working day.
You've had issues, and yes, I agree that the fact they haven't sorted W10 for all devices yet sucks (and I've seen the threads on the Blue Lte, please don't tell me you are comparing those to release software!!) but it is what it is. From my experience, the release software, on release hardware, NOW at this point, after a lot of patching, works great.
monkey1999
25 May 16#83
Nope it's gone got win 10 930 and not on there
monkey1999
25 May 16#82
Sad but true
wenttoabetterplace
25 May 161#81
I think you must have some rose tinted spectacles. I owned a 950 for all of 3 weeks. I tried every development ring going to get one that was stable and lag free. I didn't find one. It was an annoying phone to use, and the interface is so much less coherent than WP8.1. All of these little wireframe icons that mean nothing, and multiple ways to get into menus (hamburgers, elipsis, swipe etc!). Even if the update was available for my mum's 1020, I would never put her on W10M....it is just a confusing and ugly mess.
(I have also since reverted my Blu Win HD LTE back to W8.1 - mainly because the maps app constantly glitches out, and the camera app on W10 takes awful pictures compared to 8.1).
Probs best if Microsoft lop the whole project on the head - because they aren't ever going to be relevant in the mobile space (aside from making their apps for the other OS's)
monkey1999
25 May 16#80
Misses has 950 I have 930 upgrade all buggy slow granted 950 better but all buggy maybe u been lucky but read forums and look at sales it's all bad I wish I was wrong as loved my 3 previous lumias and hate my samdung but it's bad
bilbob
25 May 16#79
I'm running Win10 on my lovely new Lumia 950. It's as fast and stable as 8.1 was on my 930.
Unless you've used the recent RELEASE builds (not insider...) on a production Win10 device, then you really are not in a position to comment I'm afraid. As a long time insider user, and now production, the experience is very different.
monkey1999
25 May 16#78
No but win 10 is slow and buggy and not finished win 8.1 on mobile was perfect
monkey1999
25 May 16#77
I too left 930 for samdung s6 big mistake that said cant see me going back to Windows as 10 on mobile sucks and looks like Microsoft are abandoning mobile altogether shame best is on mobile in my opinion
nav157
25 May 16#76
The best windows phone but still terrible compared to android and apple. The apps seem light years behind and buggy, slow. This would be very useful to those who use their phone for the basics calling text email camera (excellent), highly recommend for those functions.
cicobuff
9 May 16#75
Just tried a OTG adapter with both my wife's 930 and my 735 both running Windows 10 and guess what...nada, so looks like Microsoft are only supporting it with the 950...so behind the curve, absolute crap.
wenttoabetterplace
9 May 16#74
I discover(ed) the same problems on a myriad of websites...not just HUKD. Anything with pop out menus causes horrible slow down (Wordpress for example).
The problem is, the world and his brother are creating mobile websites designed for Safari/Chrome. There is literally zero reason for them to build mobile websites with Edge in mind.
Sad state of affairs
bilbob
9 May 16#73
Y'see, as I've said before, I find edge to work really well, and render more sites, more accurately, faster, than other mobile browsers I've used.
THAT SAID, yes I agree, on HUKD, edge is problematic. I'd suggest it is an issue with the scripts used, are really not optimised at all for edge.
wenttoabetterplace
9 May 16#72
The problem is, Edge is a **** browser on mobile. Just try browsing HUKD as an example. On my iPhone 4S, menus/notification windows open instantly. On Edge? Press....wait....open.
I am much preferring the experience on that old iPhone when compared to the 950. Aside from camera, there isn't a thing I miss. That really does say a lot about how far behind MS find themselves.
bilbob
9 May 161#71
This has been my argument too... A good browser and bookmarks is just as effective as an app in MANY cases, and the app gap is far less important.
CortanaFan
9 May 161#70
@hwangeruk I too understand the MSFT strategy, though I thought they'd removed all references to WinRT as it's now a single OneCore API structure?
Got an invite to attend a Retail conference where the topic was Mobile commerce, all main members including Facebook concluded that due to people using just 5 apps there was a need to replace retail apps with a good responsive website experience. So based on this, I personally see the app gap not being so much of an issue in the months & years to come... Do people really want a Tesco, Game, Topshop, M&S, Starbucks, Waterstones, WH Smith app on their phone, when all could quite simply use the retailers website that gave them a personalised service with the use of technologies including beacons and GPS to know where their customer is in-store with the ability to ping toasts...
hwangeruk
7 May 16#69
Big misconception this one. Let me clear it up for you, but I suspect other people will infer the same incorrect info.
The "problem" MS have, is they aren't fully baked yet on UWP. They now have a single core, a single WinRT API set. The UWP libraries on top are only just about getting to the point where all the features needed for MS own apps can be targeted for mobile. An example of this, is BIND. Up until recently, BINDing was done at runtime and was slow. Too slow for the Office team. MS Win devs went back to the core, and UWP and now BIND is x:BIND, and its checked at compile time. But its also now very fast, so the Office team will now using x:BIND.
(Watch a video on it here: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-635. There is also another video where they tell you the Office team would not use BIND until it was fast)
On iOS for example, they aren't going through this change, so the MS devs can just crack on and code for the platform.
MS _are_ frustrating at times, but this long term strategy is not only very logical, its also a massive software engineering feat only really appreciated by people who actually know what goes on behind the curtain. Consumers just make these silly broad / guesswork statements based on sales numbers and what their mate down the pub told them. This isn't MS prioritising other platforms at all, think about how nonsensical that would be just from a plain logic and business perspective. (Your brain should be telling you why that cannot be correct right?)
Microsoft don't have to convince anyone to code for mobile anymore. If someone writes an app for the PC desktop store, then it takes only a bit more effort (viewstates and triggers) to be able to roll it out to Mobile (its a tick in a box, once you've decided on your UI sizing and transforms)
The BT Sport app that has just been released is a classic example of this. The bloke who wrote it is actually an iOS developer, and admits he isn't that great at XAML and Windows programming, but managed to make a nice app for both PC and Mobile :smiley:
So to recap, _not_ prioritising, just working through their own needs on a new development layer for UWP and having the richness of libraries. Slow yes. Prioristing.... NO.. .Hmmmm kay? :smiley:
wenttoabetterplace
6 May 16#68
Samsung OLED displays on the other hand are crazy bright and have all the benefits of inky blacks etc.
I think the 950 just has a slightly more subdued maximum brightness - because there are a number of OLED displays out there that are v.bright indeed. (S7 Edge for example)
cicobuff
6 May 16#67
I am a fan of OLED, but it definitely does suffer outdoors, when I go back to using any LCD phones I always notice the backlight bleed around the edges of the screen. Same with the PS Vita, the original release which I have is way nicer.
bilbob
6 May 16#66
On a side note,
got the Lumia offer recommends sorted out.
Offer still on, if anyone DOES want referral, give me a shout, I'll PM you details. Free £50 voucher for MS store and 1 year office 365.
bilbob
6 May 16#65
Not used it outdoors yet, but inside the screen looks fantastic. Really black. And I'm getting used to the lack of physical keys more easily than I thought I would.
Also, added the mozo cover, so yes, the 930 was a good design, but I already prefer the 950 with the new back. Feels nice, slimmer and just 'nice' in the hand.
cicobuff
6 May 16#64
I can explain the brightness issue. OLED does not have the same level of brightness that LCD screens , you get bright colours and inky blacks and better viewing angles with OLED and with IPS you get a more natural colour accuracy reproduction, brighter screens and better readability in sunlight.
wenttoabetterplace
6 May 16#63
It isn't a bad phone by any means. The hardware (internal) is excellent. The screen though - as nice as it was indoors, just didn't stand up to comparison when alongside my old 930. Also, my Blu Win HD LTE (£59.99) had significantly better brightness...which didn't make much sense.
I think they would have been better off just adding better internals and an SD slot to the 930 as the design was so much nicer than the 950. As sad as it may be to say it, smartphones need to look good...otherwise they just won't sell.
bilbob
6 May 16#62
Yep, £50 credit, 1 year office 365 too. Both still on.
And liking my phone too...:smile:
Went full crazy, got a mozo replacement back, and 128gb card too.
wenttoabetterplace
5 May 16#61
I only got one £50 voucher, which I spent on a version 2 miracast adapter. Funnily enough, Microsoft sent me two of them by mistake :smiley: ! So I guess I've had my £100 worth.
Keep in mind that you should also be able to claim an Office 365 years licence..so that's a nice little additional bonus.
bilbob
5 May 16#60
Ok, my phone arrived today, (got a john Lewis price match :smiley: )
Lumia offers:
Yes, £50 credit IS still on, have to redeem on a compatible device. So I need someone to recommend me, so we can both claim the £50.
I'm guessing Wenttoabetterplace is no longer interested ( :wink: ) so who wants it?
Then someone can have mine to carry it on, we can all get free £100 credit !
Who's in? :smile:
cicobuff
4 May 16#59
Microsoft have had the past 5.5 years to make a go of it. iPhone launched mid-2007, Android in late 2008.....Windows Phone 7 way too late to the party in late 2010, coupled with Android and iOS already being established and [Google/Microsoft relationship being fragmented] it is a pipe dream.
Sponge
3 May 16#58
Hear! Hear!
Can someone shed some light on this please?
a_user
3 May 161#57
Each to their own. I happen to prefer the interface greatly over the others, but obviously it's not for everyone. People should really hope that Microsoft make a go of it, having just two platforms in the smartphone market is not good for anyone, by saying anyone, I mean consumers. Google slurps up everything they can so they can make money off the things they know about you, and Apple shafts you from the start with silly prices, but at the same time manages to convince people they are buying something superior when in fact a lot of the time they are not. Hell, Apple only recently woke up to larger screens!!!
wenttoabetterplace
3 May 16#56
We all make mistakes. My experience of iOS was via my sister and the way she interacted with hers.
Having an old iPhone of my own now has shown me how wrong I was! Also, my experience over the last few weeks with my 950 was really poor...so the initial optimism has now given way to the painful reality. All that was ever good about Windows Phone (Nokia days) has been replaced with a completely forgettable and indistinct OS, with a real dearth of apps.
They should just kill that whole project now - because it is never going to work out. iOS (and probably Android) are just too far ahead.
wenttoabetterplace
3 May 16#55
Live tiles. They show you information - yet when you click on that particular bit of information, all that happens is the app opens on its usual start page. There is nothing intelligent about it. You have to then go searching for the piece of information from within the app. (I'm talking MSN News here).
By comparison - I have the Guardian and BBC apps installed on my iPhone 4S. I don't need live tiles...all the important news is delivered straight to the lock screen (with a BBC News jingle accompanying that stuff).
Sorry, but live tiles are a flawed concept. They don't give enough information to be relevant...and they also don't really make the interface that much easier. On iOS, just install however many apps you want. When you want to open one, just swipe up, and type the first few letters of the app. Voila.
I was a WP devotee for years...but honestly, now that I've used an (old!) iPhone, I literally have no idea why I bothered. The Windows interface isn't smart. It just creates two apps lists when only one is needed.
a_user
2 May 162#54
For me, it's about the interface rather than the apps. I have all the apps I need on Win10M, I just can't get on with the dead icons on Android and IOS, the live tiles on Windows phones are so much more useful. People say Windows phones haven't moved on, but Android and IOS use dead icons just like the first version of Windows on the desktop which was what, 30 years ago...
jldevoy
2 May 163#53
Ive owned each generation of windows phone but i wont be getting another, MS have given up on them. Windows10 isn't ready and MS are prioritizing their apps for ios and android.
cicobuff
2 May 16#52
Not deliberately over the top, both my wife and myself own Windows Phones (as previously stated Lumia 735 and 930), both before and after Windows 10 upgrades the browsing experience with page rendering or even websites not loading has caused problems.
How about my well constructed opinion that it doesn't have all the apps most people need. It may do for you, but your defensive stance is laughable. As said when local government, retail, banking and electronics companies do not support Windows Phones as well as social media apps lacking then well you really have to be totally delusional.
Let's face it iOS and Windows Mobile OS are much better than Android...why then is Windows Phone suffering with app problems? Because they do not have enough market share. Why do they not have enough marketshare? Unlike Apple, Microsoft and Google are not playing fair with one another...that is crippling Windows Phones...fact.
Is there anything intrisically wrong with stating facts? Is there anything intrinsically wrong with anyone that is using a Windows Phone having a fundamental worse experience than yourself? My mileage as others does vary.
Ironically you are questioning my own opinion and preference, and guess what.....I have not even replied to you in this thread......
You just chose to bite.
Would I like things to improve? Well yes, its a great OS, atlhough Windows 10 Mobile has had its teething problems and is not a revolutionary upgrade over 8/8.1. Will we see things improve? I doubt it. I wager given a year when I am good and ready to change my phone I will be sitting on a brick as good as the Blackberry Playbook tablet was and looking at other options.
bilbob
2 May 162#51
You actually find the browsing experience 'woeful' on your 735? Funny, I find the complete opposite.#As a mobile browser, (nb, not used safari) I find the browser the best on mobile. Used chrome, firefox and dolphin aside from edge. Edge is by far the best, and renders desktop sites well too, so to see it described as 'woeful' is either deliberately over the top, or your phone is wonky chap.
And 'how can anyone defend it by saying it has all the apps they need', well how about because, it DOES have the apps I need! Apps, to ME are a secondary aspect of a phone; its productivity aspects, and you know, phone aspects are more important, and these work really well on WM if you use MS ecosystem.
If YOU use Googles, don't blame MS for the fact Google deliberately disrupt functionality on MS platforms. MS DID try to rectify the YouTube situation by developing their own app, and google sued them. MS's fault?
MS HAVE tried to fix the relationship, they recently dropped all cases against them. Now the ball in Googles court. IF you NEED to use Googles services, and fine the replacements on WM don't fit, that's fine, but for many they do. Me included.
Would I like the apps? Yes.
Does it make my experience fundamentality worse?
No.
As I've said before YOUR mileage may vary.
I find it MORE confusing that people like yourself feel the need to continually and repeatedly question other peoples opinion and preference....
cicobuff
2 May 162#50
I am also finding the browser experience woeful on my Nokia 735 even over wifi, some are worse that others with page rendering, and I don't think it is due to memory paging, its only marginally better on my wifes 2gb Lumia 930.
With the increasing number of devices out there that are integrating media consumption control (Pioneer and Onkyo have just announced googlecast for their latest receivers) and not supporting Windows Mobile OS there is a problem in the electronics sector.
There is also a problem in the social media app sector with either poorly designed Windows Mobile ports or missing altogether, alongside local government apps for anyone interested in travelling. Discount apps for retailers missing, banking apps missing....retailer segment dormant.
Not to mention such (and Windows fanboys praise it to death) Youtube replacement apps as Metrotube which you have to pay for...the other day I was about ready to throw my phone through the window as attempting to cast to the tv simply just will not work.
How anyone can defend Windows Phone by continually saying it has all the apps they need I do not know. Not only have Microsoft cut ties with what Nokia had made to differentiate it and make it appealing (MixRadio was a massive boon for the media brigade), they are themselves designing better apps for rival phones and yet Microsoft are doing absolutely nothing to bridge ties with Google and it would take a staunch Windows Phone loyalist to flatly refuse that it is not hurting business.
cicobuff
2 May 16#49
What? After our discussion in the [last Windows 950 thread] when I was whinging about the state of Windows Phone and the removal of Here Drive and you were saying Maps is better and the app requirements are not limiting you and that it works brilliantly for your needs, and then in that very thread in comment #12 you said that the 950 does things much better than iOS :neutral_face:
bilbob
2 May 161#48
Not going to break down entire response, but it comes down to apps for you, and that's fine. It's established.
I tried Android, the apps were nice, but after playing for a bit, I found myself missing WM 'just works' simplicity factor.
I can live with the app gap.
To take one example, I know you know Waze is now a google company, and they are famous for deliberately hurting MS products, so to blame MS for an 'app gap' there is a bit unfair.
As for the rest, I can live with a bit of limited app functionality, for the better overall experience. Any apps I miss from Android? Erm, the youview app, now tv, but I use my windows tablet for that on the move anyway, the screen is too small to watch a film on a phone!
I fully accept that if you want an app on Android there is probably one there, but not everyone is bothered about having a app for everything.
And again, from my own experience, the grass is FAR from greener on the other side. Apps are NOT all nicely polished on android, there is still a lack of overall security, and it does crash and things break occasionally. It ISN'T perfect.
On WM, (Again, for me) the built in W10 Maps app is actually better than here maps, now. Everything syncs across the entire W10 platform, hugely convenient for me, maps, Edge, email, reminders, Cortana, everything.
As a phone, WM is better than android, as a productivity device, straight from the box, it 'just works', and I like that.
YMMV.
wenttoabetterplace
2 May 16#47
I switched back and forth (between production slow and fast) trying to find a setup that worked reliably. Fast ring was actually the most stable in my experience.
The problem with W10M is that even if the experience of using the phone becomes perfect, it'll still have that huge app problem. This has a real impact. I mentioned Waze earlier. There is no app like it on W10M (aside from the deprecated 2 year old version currently in the store). It's also laughable that the best versions of Microsofts own apps are on iOS. Their retrenching plan is just crazy as there is zero incentive for developers to target an ever shrinking number of users.
People who use W10M are missing out on what a smartphone can be. Yes, it does all the core things - but then again, so does my years old Nokia 808.
Microsoft just made too many errors in strategy - and to pin their whole future on Continuum is madness IMO
You quote yourself as an ex use insider fast ring he user and then go on to moan about all the glitches and crashes?
You DO know what the fast ring is for, right? It's the latest, bleeding edge release, designed for those that want it 'on the edge'...
If you want stable, you should have been on the production ring, where I am, and enjoy a stable, reliable w10 experience.
You can't compare pre release, beta software with anything, and it's not fair to do so.
jamie8191
2 May 16#44
Haha, saw this in the BatmanSuperman movie and decided to look into it, need a phone for both work/personal and Im tossing up between this, iPhone 6s and the s7 edge
greasyspoonma
2 May 16#43
Here Drive is still available on W10
pascal03
2 May 16#42
I wonder how long till Windows phone business is killed off. When that's gone, support for phones will also dwindle.
It's a dying phone brand.
revmacca
2 May 16#41
I wouldn't go near any Lumia 9xx, Hardware is actually quite good (950 XL), however software is atrocious in parts unfit for sale bad.
if you are unlucky and receive one with Wifi / Bluetooth problems, good luck MS wont even acknowledge the problem, in my case it crashes the router, disconnecting everything Laptop android ios devices, only solution is phone and router reset. this has been seen on all O/S version, production, redstone etc.
I wanted to believe but that takes something from the other side, MS have checked out on W10m & left loyal fans hanging.
wizball
2 May 16#40
I eventually sold my Lumia 1320, and switched back to android. As stated by others, if you don't need lots of apps, Windows phone is pretty good - I liked it overall.
However, I found the browser struggled on many websites - became more pronounced over time. Tried updating to Windows 10, but to no avail - still slow browser rendering and/or complete failure on some sites.
Mrs Wizball has Lumia 640, but is also set for return to Android for same reason.
wenttoabetterplace
2 May 161#39
Insider Fast Ring 950 (ex)owner right here. W10M has a few nice features, but it is still glitchy. Edge frequently crashes...the camera would often not open via the hardware button. The battery life was poor. Oh, and have you ever compared Microsofts W10M apps to those they developed on iOS?! Just look at Bing Translator. Beautiful UI on iOS. Ugly as anything on W10M.
Also, no focused inbox in Outlook on W10M, or default email address selection option. Both are available on iOS.
MS employees clearly aren't fussed about W10M
jjabbar
1 May 163#28
happy with my Lumia...don't need 50,000 fart and burp apps thank you
cicobuff to jjabbar
1 May 163#30
Some useful ones might be nice though, instead of Microsoft getting rid of enticing ones that Nokia developed.
wenttoabetterplace to jjabbar
2 May 161#38
That is such an overplayed joke. I have been a big supporter of Windows Phones...but having just sold my 950 and switched to an iPhone 4A, I can assure you that the difference in app quality is night and day! Remember Here Drive? Completely eemoved from Windows 10 Mobile - steadily updated on iOS (with a v.elegant interface). Waze on W10M is a joke compared to iOS. Even the web browser works better on iOS. & this is all being experienced on a phone that was released in 2012.
My advice having toiled with Windows Phone is simply to not bother. Microsoft haven't shown any real commitment, so why should we?
Holgmaster
1 May 16#37
I had this phone since release. Yes it has a bit of a plastic feel but not that bad. The latest Windows updates fixed a lot of issues for me. I use this phone for work (office 365 is an awesome companion) and before the last update the phone app was crashing rendering the phone useless as you could not make a call. The random reboots per day also vanished since the last update. A lot of apps are already available with exceptions to a lot of Google apps. Pity about the Nokia Here apps that I had on my 920. Overall the phone is pretty solid and with a decent memory card it would stack up to a lot of android devices. It can't beat the iPhone which I use privately as I like the apple Eco system and FaceTime, sync to Mac etc but I can't run a screen and a keyboard of my iPhone which I can with my win10 (dock required though). Hot from me.
Cepultura
1 May 161#36
You just emphasised my point. In 5 years, windows phone has really not progressed fast enough.
bilbob
1 May 16#35
Lol, in 2010, WP7 had only just launched... :smile:
Cepultura
1 May 163#26
Windows phone is dying a slow death right now. Its progressed so little since 2010/11 time. Android and iOS is miles ahead in terms of useful features.
MrShed to Cepultura
1 May 161#34
Can only assume you haven't seen WM10 and basing your comment on an assumption. It's changed massively.
bilbob
1 May 161#33
Both are fine now. Both were poo on release, (WM 10 wasn't really finished...) but now both better, and XL very good with its massive battery.
JoeSpur
1 May 16#32
Oh I see, I had heard XL was fine from people who had it. I currently have 830 and would ideally like battery life that is even better, but 830's is ok as it lasts a full day (just about).
KyleGM
1 May 16#31
There was reports of both the 950 and XL having terrible battery life on release.
JoeSpur
1 May 161#29
XL battery life was never a problem...
cicobuff
1 May 161#27
I am glad at the time of purchase my Lumia 735 only cost £110, and nowhere else would I even now find an OLED screen, 4G capability and wireless charging for that sort of cash. Because however the depreciation of not just mine but most Windows Phones on the second hand market it just isn't really worth my time jumping ship now, I may as well keep the phone until it is a worthless brick like the Blackberry Playbook tablet was, knowing that my financial outlay was not a huge loss. I foolishly await in hope for app development so wrongly promised when Windows 10 hits and 'unifies' everything that is Windows.
Get real Microsoft.
SILFCFAN
1 May 162#25
I tried this phone for 10 days on a lumia trials last week, it is actually quite a decent phone, if you want a good functional phone with a very good camera this is OK, personally I thought it wasn't as well made as previous lumia flagship phones (a bit plasticy for me), but the 930 took alot longer than this to fall to this price, we all know about the lack of apps, anyone buying a windows phone should know and accept this, but imo I thought alot of the apps on the windows phone were not as good as their android counterparts. Hot for lowest price though, which I am sure will be appreciated by plenty of people.
jaydeeuk1
1 May 161#24
BTW, windows OS is awesome but until three in touch, kodi, moonlight, proper eBay and Amazon apps, Amazon music, Waze and a decent alternative to Google sky maps etc it's impossible for me to move. Wasn't windows supposed to be able to emulate android apps? If that works with a near 100% compatibility rate I'd return in a heartbeat. My Nexus 5x is poor for the money, most lumia handsets apart from the 9xx line area superb VFM.
hyenadog
1 May 161#5
its gonna get a shed load cheaper .. in the states you get a 950 FREE when u buy 950XL ... Shame its moved on so little in functionality/app gap since Window Phone 7 as as a UI its far superior to Android/IOS :-( ... finally drove me to a Galaxy S6 not really the app gap just got sick of its massive lead in Camera quality going to a lag behind flagship Android.. thats the Cloud Cuckoos in Redmond 4 u :-(
jaydeeuk1 to hyenadog
1 May 161#23
Won't get much cheaper this year, this is the land of people who think £199 for a Nintendo Wii u and one game in mid 2016 is a good deal.
KinanswerMe
1 May 166#1
I've got this phone and wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Camera is excellent, but the apps are buggy and few and far between. Really regretted not going Android. Just my 2 pence.
bilbob to KinanswerMe
1 May 168#2
Depends what your needs are.
I went from a 930 (battery life getting short as it ages...) and went android with a mega battery. Apps were nice, but couldn't get on with android... Simply not as 'just works' as Windows for me.
Returned it to Amazon, now buying this.
Horses for courses.
AL147 to KinanswerMe
1 May 16#11
could not agree more. had 640 untill 3 weeks ago, life so much better without. MS how long does it take to write Windows 10. apps are poor
essexgangsta to KinanswerMe
1 May 161#22
sold mine and bought the S7 edge and its been a while since ive been android having owened several lumias, but have to agree, love the look of the windows OS but man the apps on android and jsut the overal build is so much better on the Edge. Spent the last few months changing the missus and kids from windows to android without too much fuss either.
bilbob
1 May 16#21
Slowly, but they are still patching and supporting Wp 8.1.
kharma45
1 May 16#20
How's that W10M upgrade going?
bilbob
1 May 162#19
This.
I WAS sucked to the other side by the lure of 'apps'. I soon returned when I realised that not all OS makers realise that a phone is firstly, a phone and productivity device. Windows has these features nailed.
And for the apps I use, I have no issues. I'd like Sky Go or Now tv (but I reckon they are coming, based on rumours on Win10 UWP apps in the works...) and the big ones I need are there, banking, Netflix etc., and if you are in the Windows ecosystem, and don't need the 'app' for everything stuff, the Windows on mobile really is a good choice.
Also, for most apps where the gap IS present, bear in mind the Edge browser is far more capable than other mobile browsers, so you can usually use the web page option...
cullies
1 May 16#13
Windows phone soon will be obsolete, no match for Android
It's a brilliant match against Android, for phone users, but not for the willy waving App brigade, the reality is, Windows is great if all you do is make calls, read email and want appointment reminders, otherwise invariably you'll find you want Android or iOS. For me there are a couple of major apps that make me toy with leaving Windows phone, but the benefits are still way too significant for me to consider the jump.
My Lumia 925 is the first phone I've ever had that just works and does all I need, I see no need to upgrade, which may be one of the problems with it, if you see no reason to upgrade then the manufacturer has a real problem, just look at Apple now, with the fragmented unsupported OS that is Android, there's no way you could stick with a current phone, for security holes alone and generally the lack of support is legendary.
mike
kharma45
1 May 16#17
To check if the upgrade is available for your phone and install the upgrade, go to the Store, install the Upgrade Advisor app, run the app to see if the update is available, then select Enable Windows 10 upgrade.
bilbob
1 May 16#16
Search for windows insider app on the store... All your answers lay there
greasyspoonma
1 May 16#15
How did you update? I'm still waiting for w10 on my 735
KyleGM
1 May 163#14
My 950XL goes from a full charge in the morning (9am) to having around 60% by the end of the day with texting, a few short calls, a few hours of music and browsing Reddit for an hour or two. I really have no complaints about Windows 10 or the 950 series, my advice is always the same, if you use a lot of apps, or even a handful of speciality apps (banking, games) then Windows is not for you. However if you use it for browsing, listening to music, taking pictures, using it as a phone then in my opinion there's really nothing better.
Although I don't find the app gap that bad as they have apps for everything I use, some of them even better than the iOS and android counterparts!
joeybutterface
1 May 16#12
Microsoft is giving up on Lumia and consumer phones so these prices are going much lower. As posted above, they've been doing buy one get another free in North America to shift unwanted stock.
bilbob
1 May 16#10
Double tap to wake is a hardware feature, and is apparently already being worked on for the 950's (hinted at by MS WM guy).
And from my own reading the poor battery life figures were from initial release phones with their 'release' OS. Most of what I've read now say the battery issues are sorted. For my comparison, I've seen reviews comparing directly with the 930 which is what I've got and it says a noticeable improvement over those, so that's good enough for me!
And yes, it can sync favourites with (Win10) desktop, but only on edge, not IE.
JoeSpur
1 May 16#9
Can it sync favourites with desktop yet? Or with IE should I say...
I hope it goes under 300 soon. Only thing holding me back is reports of poor battery life (major), and I'd miss double tap to wake (minor).
johnfrankland
1 May 16#7
As a deal, this is the best price I've seen from a reputable seller. As a phone, the hardware is great. Not premium but great. The OS, however, is sadly woeful. I had two of these in quick succession and both went back because of the buggy software. Heat for the price but otherwise cold.
bilbob to johnfrankland
1 May 16#8
For me, I'm a happy Win10 user already. I've been holding out for a near 300 quid price from a reputable place, IN CASE I get a duffer... but I do like Win10, and the bugs seem to be getting fixed pretty quickly IMO, it's moved on a LOT in the last weeks alone...
bilbob
1 May 16#6
Does anyne here know how the referral thing works to get the voucher? I'd like to know before I pull the trigger on buying this, don't want to pass up £50!
HondaLad
1 May 161#4
I have a 735 and I'm really happy now I've updated it to windows 10. It's so slick as I found windows phone 8.1 was getting a bit laggy.
stuellis
1 May 16#3
I have the 950XL and love it, had iPhones and also Galaxy's for work and its my fav. From what I read though the 950 is a bit slower
Opening post
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lumia-950-sim-free-black-direct-from-amazon-for-343-2427748
When it was listed at £343.
I believe there is also a possibility of a £50 voucher for MS store too with referral, but I don't know if that's still on.
For me, I'd refer this smaller phone than the XL, and the 808(state) processor is easily enough!
Windows 10 now in a FAR better state than it was when it was 'released' *cough*.
Free delivery too.
No doubt there will be some voting cold on a Lumia deal, but I think this is the price for me to hit buy and replace my 930 :)
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I went from a 930 (battery life getting short as it ages...) and went android with a mega battery. Apps were nice, but couldn't get on with android... Simply not as 'just works' as Windows for me.
Returned it to Amazon, now buying this.
Horses for courses.
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I find it bizarre that people try to tell me I'm wrong, that I can't like my experience, and that Android MUST be better.
Sorry, but I don't find that. My device doesn't lag any more than the 3gb 810 1080p device I had. It doesn't take nay more effort to get your head around W10 than in comparison to 8.1 than it does if you moved to android.
I know, because I tried!!
So, you are entitled to your opinions, but PLEASE, stop telling people who speak from experience, that they are wrong.
And WTABP, you keep referring to development rings.. .I've said it to you before, unless it's run on a production device, and FULL reset (you should be familiar with those as an insider) then you don't get the 'full experience'...
My previous 930 had issues, and as an insider, I expected the same issues on my new phone. But using production ring only, nearly all are gone. In the two or three weeks I've had it, I've had one random reboot, which I think was connected to a Bluetooth connection. No proper lags, maps work great, screen isn't too dim to use outdoors, battery life full working day.
You've had issues, and yes, I agree that the fact they haven't sorted W10 for all devices yet sucks (and I've seen the threads on the Blue Lte, please don't tell me you are comparing those to release software!!) but it is what it is. From my experience, the release software, on release hardware, NOW at this point, after a lot of patching, works great.
(I have also since reverted my Blu Win HD LTE back to W8.1 - mainly because the maps app constantly glitches out, and the camera app on W10 takes awful pictures compared to 8.1).
Probs best if Microsoft lop the whole project on the head - because they aren't ever going to be relevant in the mobile space (aside from making their apps for the other OS's)
Unless you've used the recent RELEASE builds (not insider...) on a production Win10 device, then you really are not in a position to comment I'm afraid. As a long time insider user, and now production, the experience is very different.
The problem is, the world and his brother are creating mobile websites designed for Safari/Chrome. There is literally zero reason for them to build mobile websites with Edge in mind.
Sad state of affairs
THAT SAID, yes I agree, on HUKD, edge is problematic. I'd suggest it is an issue with the scripts used, are really not optimised at all for edge.
I am much preferring the experience on that old iPhone when compared to the 950. Aside from camera, there isn't a thing I miss. That really does say a lot about how far behind MS find themselves.
Got an invite to attend a Retail conference where the topic was Mobile commerce, all main members including Facebook concluded that due to people using just 5 apps there was a need to replace retail apps with a good responsive website experience. So based on this, I personally see the app gap not being so much of an issue in the months & years to come... Do people really want a Tesco, Game, Topshop, M&S, Starbucks, Waterstones, WH Smith app on their phone, when all could quite simply use the retailers website that gave them a personalised service with the use of technologies including beacons and GPS to know where their customer is in-store with the ability to ping toasts...
The "problem" MS have, is they aren't fully baked yet on UWP. They now have a single core, a single WinRT API set. The UWP libraries on top are only just about getting to the point where all the features needed for MS own apps can be targeted for mobile. An example of this, is BIND. Up until recently, BINDing was done at runtime and was slow. Too slow for the Office team. MS Win devs went back to the core, and UWP and now BIND is x:BIND, and its checked at compile time. But its also now very fast, so the Office team will now using x:BIND.
(Watch a video on it here: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-635. There is also another video where they tell you the Office team would not use BIND until it was fast)
On iOS for example, they aren't going through this change, so the MS devs can just crack on and code for the platform.
MS _are_ frustrating at times, but this long term strategy is not only very logical, its also a massive software engineering feat only really appreciated by people who actually know what goes on behind the curtain. Consumers just make these silly broad / guesswork statements based on sales numbers and what their mate down the pub told them. This isn't MS prioritising other platforms at all, think about how nonsensical that would be just from a plain logic and business perspective. (Your brain should be telling you why that cannot be correct right?)
Microsoft don't have to convince anyone to code for mobile anymore. If someone writes an app for the PC desktop store, then it takes only a bit more effort (viewstates and triggers) to be able to roll it out to Mobile (its a tick in a box, once you've decided on your UI sizing and transforms)
The BT Sport app that has just been released is a classic example of this. The bloke who wrote it is actually an iOS developer, and admits he isn't that great at XAML and Windows programming, but managed to make a nice app for both PC and Mobile :smiley:
So to recap, _not_ prioritising, just working through their own needs on a new development layer for UWP and having the richness of libraries. Slow yes. Prioristing.... NO.. .Hmmmm kay? :smiley:
I think the 950 just has a slightly more subdued maximum brightness - because there are a number of OLED displays out there that are v.bright indeed. (S7 Edge for example)
got the Lumia offer recommends sorted out.
Offer still on, if anyone DOES want referral, give me a shout, I'll PM you details. Free £50 voucher for MS store and 1 year office 365.
Also, added the mozo cover, so yes, the 930 was a good design, but I already prefer the 950 with the new back. Feels nice, slimmer and just 'nice' in the hand.
I think they would have been better off just adding better internals and an SD slot to the 930 as the design was so much nicer than the 950. As sad as it may be to say it, smartphones need to look good...otherwise they just won't sell.
And liking my phone too...:smile:
Went full crazy, got a mozo replacement back, and 128gb card too.
Keep in mind that you should also be able to claim an Office 365 years licence..so that's a nice little additional bonus.
Lumia offers:
Yes, £50 credit IS still on, have to redeem on a compatible device. So I need someone to recommend me, so we can both claim the £50.
I'm guessing Wenttoabetterplace is no longer interested ( :wink: ) so who wants it?
Then someone can have mine to carry it on, we can all get free £100 credit !
Who's in? :smile:
Can someone shed some light on this please?
Having an old iPhone of my own now has shown me how wrong I was! Also, my experience over the last few weeks with my 950 was really poor...so the initial optimism has now given way to the painful reality. All that was ever good about Windows Phone (Nokia days) has been replaced with a completely forgettable and indistinct OS, with a real dearth of apps.
They should just kill that whole project now - because it is never going to work out. iOS (and probably Android) are just too far ahead.
By comparison - I have the Guardian and BBC apps installed on my iPhone 4S. I don't need live tiles...all the important news is delivered straight to the lock screen (with a BBC News jingle accompanying that stuff).
Sorry, but live tiles are a flawed concept. They don't give enough information to be relevant...and they also don't really make the interface that much easier. On iOS, just install however many apps you want. When you want to open one, just swipe up, and type the first few letters of the app. Voila.
I was a WP devotee for years...but honestly, now that I've used an (old!) iPhone, I literally have no idea why I bothered. The Windows interface isn't smart. It just creates two apps lists when only one is needed.
How about my well constructed opinion that it doesn't have all the apps most people need. It may do for you, but your defensive stance is laughable. As said when local government, retail, banking and electronics companies do not support Windows Phones as well as social media apps lacking then well you really have to be totally delusional.
Let's face it iOS and Windows Mobile OS are much better than Android...why then is Windows Phone suffering with app problems? Because they do not have enough market share. Why do they not have enough marketshare? Unlike Apple, Microsoft and Google are not playing fair with one another...that is crippling Windows Phones...fact.
Is there anything intrisically wrong with stating facts? Is there anything intrinsically wrong with anyone that is using a Windows Phone having a fundamental worse experience than yourself? My mileage as others does vary.
Ironically you are questioning my own opinion and preference, and guess what.....I have not even replied to you in this thread......
You just chose to bite.
Would I like things to improve? Well yes, its a great OS, atlhough Windows 10 Mobile has had its teething problems and is not a revolutionary upgrade over 8/8.1. Will we see things improve? I doubt it. I wager given a year when I am good and ready to change my phone I will be sitting on a brick as good as the Blackberry Playbook tablet was and looking at other options.
And 'how can anyone defend it by saying it has all the apps they need', well how about because, it DOES have the apps I need! Apps, to ME are a secondary aspect of a phone; its productivity aspects, and you know, phone aspects are more important, and these work really well on WM if you use MS ecosystem.
If YOU use Googles, don't blame MS for the fact Google deliberately disrupt functionality on MS platforms. MS DID try to rectify the YouTube situation by developing their own app, and google sued them. MS's fault?
MS HAVE tried to fix the relationship, they recently dropped all cases against them. Now the ball in Googles court. IF you NEED to use Googles services, and fine the replacements on WM don't fit, that's fine, but for many they do. Me included.
Would I like the apps? Yes.
Does it make my experience fundamentality worse?
No.
As I've said before YOUR mileage may vary.
I find it MORE confusing that people like yourself feel the need to continually and repeatedly question other peoples opinion and preference....
With the increasing number of devices out there that are integrating media consumption control (Pioneer and Onkyo have just announced googlecast for their latest receivers) and not supporting Windows Mobile OS there is a problem in the electronics sector.
There is also a problem in the social media app sector with either poorly designed Windows Mobile ports or missing altogether, alongside local government apps for anyone interested in travelling. Discount apps for retailers missing, banking apps missing....retailer segment dormant.
Not to mention such (and Windows fanboys praise it to death) Youtube replacement apps as Metrotube which you have to pay for...the other day I was about ready to throw my phone through the window as attempting to cast to the tv simply just will not work.
How anyone can defend Windows Phone by continually saying it has all the apps they need I do not know. Not only have Microsoft cut ties with what Nokia had made to differentiate it and make it appealing (MixRadio was a massive boon for the media brigade), they are themselves designing better apps for rival phones and yet Microsoft are doing absolutely nothing to bridge ties with Google and it would take a staunch Windows Phone loyalist to flatly refuse that it is not hurting business.
I tried Android, the apps were nice, but after playing for a bit, I found myself missing WM 'just works' simplicity factor.
I can live with the app gap.
To take one example, I know you know Waze is now a google company, and they are famous for deliberately hurting MS products, so to blame MS for an 'app gap' there is a bit unfair.
As for the rest, I can live with a bit of limited app functionality, for the better overall experience. Any apps I miss from Android? Erm, the youview app, now tv, but I use my windows tablet for that on the move anyway, the screen is too small to watch a film on a phone!
I fully accept that if you want an app on Android there is probably one there, but not everyone is bothered about having a app for everything.
And again, from my own experience, the grass is FAR from greener on the other side. Apps are NOT all nicely polished on android, there is still a lack of overall security, and it does crash and things break occasionally. It ISN'T perfect.
On WM, (Again, for me) the built in W10 Maps app is actually better than here maps, now. Everything syncs across the entire W10 platform, hugely convenient for me, maps, Edge, email, reminders, Cortana, everything.
As a phone, WM is better than android, as a productivity device, straight from the box, it 'just works', and I like that.
YMMV.
The problem with W10M is that even if the experience of using the phone becomes perfect, it'll still have that huge app problem. This has a real impact. I mentioned Waze earlier. There is no app like it on W10M (aside from the deprecated 2 year old version currently in the store). It's also laughable that the best versions of Microsofts own apps are on iOS. Their retrenching plan is just crazy as there is zero incentive for developers to target an ever shrinking number of users.
People who use W10M are missing out on what a smartphone can be. Yes, it does all the core things - but then again, so does my years old Nokia 808.
Microsoft just made too many errors in strategy - and to pin their whole future on Continuum is madness IMO
You DO know what the fast ring is for, right? It's the latest, bleeding edge release, designed for those that want it 'on the edge'...
If you want stable, you should have been on the production ring, where I am, and enjoy a stable, reliable w10 experience.
You can't compare pre release, beta software with anything, and it's not fair to do so.
It's a dying phone brand.
if you are unlucky and receive one with Wifi / Bluetooth problems, good luck MS wont even acknowledge the problem, in my case it crashes the router, disconnecting everything Laptop android ios devices, only solution is phone and router reset. this has been seen on all O/S version, production, redstone etc.
I wanted to believe but that takes something from the other side, MS have checked out on W10m & left loyal fans hanging.
However, I found the browser struggled on many websites - became more pronounced over time. Tried updating to Windows 10, but to no avail - still slow browser rendering and/or complete failure on some sites.
Mrs Wizball has Lumia 640, but is also set for return to Android for same reason.
Also, no focused inbox in Outlook on W10M, or default email address selection option. Both are available on iOS.
MS employees clearly aren't fussed about W10M
My advice having toiled with Windows Phone is simply to not bother. Microsoft haven't shown any real commitment, so why should we?
Get real Microsoft.
I went from a 930 (battery life getting short as it ages...) and went android with a mega battery. Apps were nice, but couldn't get on with android... Simply not as 'just works' as Windows for me.
Returned it to Amazon, now buying this.
Horses for courses.
I WAS sucked to the other side by the lure of 'apps'. I soon returned when I realised that not all OS makers realise that a phone is firstly, a phone and productivity device. Windows has these features nailed.
And for the apps I use, I have no issues. I'd like Sky Go or Now tv (but I reckon they are coming, based on rumours on Win10 UWP apps in the works...) and the big ones I need are there, banking, Netflix etc., and if you are in the Windows ecosystem, and don't need the 'app' for everything stuff, the Windows on mobile really is a good choice.
Also, for most apps where the gap IS present, bear in mind the Edge browser is far more capable than other mobile browsers, so you can usually use the web page option...
http://betanews.com/2015/07/09/is-this-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-windows-phone/
My Lumia 925 is the first phone I've ever had that just works and does all I need, I see no need to upgrade, which may be one of the problems with it, if you see no reason to upgrade then the manufacturer has a real problem, just look at Apple now, with the fragmented unsupported OS that is Android, there's no way you could stick with a current phone, for security holes alone and generally the lack of support is legendary.
mike
Although I don't find the app gap that bad as they have apps for everything I use, some of them even better than the iOS and android counterparts!
And from my own reading the poor battery life figures were from initial release phones with their 'release' OS. Most of what I've read now say the battery issues are sorted. For my comparison, I've seen reviews comparing directly with the 930 which is what I've got and it says a noticeable improvement over those, so that's good enough for me!
And yes, it can sync favourites with (Win10) desktop, but only on edge, not IE.
I hope it goes under 300 soon. Only thing holding me back is reports of poor battery life (major), and I'd miss double tap to wake (minor).