Totally unnecessary comment and the OP has already made it pretty clear re family.

Great price, voted hot.

As a tourist I think it's one of the last places on earth I would want to visit - good deal though if you have friends or family there.

Oh it's definitely not a tourist place, though the North of the country is magnificent, filled with stunning landscapes, welcoming indigents and centuries of culture. The passion for politics and real change across the land is hobbled by the lack of rigorous education for all but a select few.

But enough about the UK...

[quoteAnd how long did you exactly stay for and what area ][/quote]I thought it would be obvious from my comment that I have never been there - never mind.
I don't doubt that Pakistan has beautiful scenery but I wouldn't go there just like I wouldn't visit Kabul. Baghdad or Damascus at present - and why some idiots feel the need to play the race card I have no idea - some people seem to be determined to find racism and bigotry in every comment.
I have been lucky enough to have visited well over 50 countries around the world and have no problem with different cultures. - in fact I embrace them.

Don't forget to pack your bomb and Koran

great deal. thanks

​You are a racist troll.. or you are a bitter indian. india is even worse.

This is an awesome deal.
Would have been awesome from Manchester though.

Ps, Pakistans natural beauty is amongst the best in the world. Unfortunately the politics and the destabilising forces have prevented it from being a tourist destination


It suffers from both internal and external forces.

Some nice places, swat, Hunza Valley, gilgit, baltistan, karachi etc etc.

I wish I have some spare time. Honestly I haven't been able to experience it all even though I have been umpteen times


BTW for those who visit Islamabad, you must visit a restaurant called monal. Absolutely beautiful views of Islamabad and Faisal mosque.

Voted hot

​Ok, I'll bite. This is even better. Sentenced to death for drinking water:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/22/pakistan-court-asia-bibi-appeal-death-sentence-blasphemy

​I've always used that site i tend to use skyscanner the most, but sometimes travelbot have slightly cheaper deals or kayak. Venere 15% one that you mentioned last time is great too.

Indians reaching new heights
http://www.india.com/news/india/disgusting-drunk-man-rapes-cow-after-it-escaped-from-farmers-shed-in-madhya-pradesh-1062712/

You have mentioned Travelbot in a few of my deals but I've never heard of them. Are you affiliated with them or is it a site you just use alot? It's always worth comparing and checking out discount codes etc and I've personally found the 15% Venere one to be useful but offers can change daily/weekly.

travelbot.net usually have cheaper deals then skyscanner check prices on there as well to get the best deal.

how can this tsachin have been a member for almost four years and not posted one deal and every comment has been a troll not yet been banned?

This troll brings nothing to the HUKD community

Sure, no you didn't think so. Plenty of references. A quick Google search reveals a lot more than you seem to know.

India's own media
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/crime/delhi-is-the-rape-capital-ncrb-data-shows-rape-cases-up-200-since-2012/

Some research done on this issue with India in spotlight
https://prezi.com/ezvh9-65gkp0/is-india-the-rape-capital-of-the-world/
http://scroll.in/article/654736/is-india-the-rape-capital-of-the-world-think-again
http://bpr.berkeley.edu/2015/11/10/focusing-on-indias-rape-problem-is-a-problem/

Some investigative global journalism :
http://emirateswoman.com/features-the-most-dangerous-place-to-be-a-woman/
The article in the middle goes "Meanwhile New Delhi has been called the world’s most dangerous place to be a woman"

The chinese embassy in India asks its women living in India to avoid going out alone.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/china-tags-delhi-rape-capital-of-the-world/1/249508.html

Others
http://www.crescent-online.net/2014/01/delhi-has-become-the-rape-capital-of-the-world-crescent-onlinenet-4247-articles.html

Indian troll get a life. No one asked for your irrelevant advise here. If India is heaven on earth, wonder what are you doing in the UK?

Good. So you agree that India and Indians are doing good and Indians are intelligent and creative.

Meanwhile in today's news on BBC - Pakistan is the last place on Earth to have diseases like Polio. Hope Pakistan sorts the terrorism, poverty, extremism and diseases out for the benefit of humanity. Then tourists might want to make use of this deal.

​said the swivel eyed loon

Reference from "all over Global media" for that title? I thought so.
But go through dawn (a Pakistani newspaper website) and you will see what I meant. There is an article even today.

Get a life.

There we go, I'm glad you are seeing sense and I finally got through to you. Yes some Indians are doing very well around the world and I loved that film. In fact I do wonder how many other undiscovered geniuses there are in India who could make this world better. I hope that India uses its new found income from economic growth to improve the education and health of its people instead of on militarisation so that it's people can fulfill their potential.

Clearly you are of Indian origin too and have never visited Pakistan let Karachi alone. And no, sexual frustration is a lot more pronounced in India and Delhi in particular, which is why it is all over the global media and now being labelled as the "rape capital" of the world.

​Omg this is a brilliant comment. I think the empire has finally found their champion.
Reading your comments, and if you have visited Italy (Rome in particular) you must have shaken their hands and bowed down, no doubt thankful they provided Britain with sanitation and the concept of building roads. And also the foundation of the English language structure. I would also suggest you read more. The steel industry was already on its knees in the UK, as is most heavy industry in this country unfortunately. However, the same Indian companies are also making a success of Jaguar LandRover, which you obliquely failed to mention.

Yeah just follow the few who posted after you. Frustrated indians trying to boast their ego and begging for ppl's approval at every opportunity.

​Pakistan administered Kashmir.

Looks as if kikboy is a frustated pakistani, sounds butthurt

great price. nice to see travel to Pakistan coming down in price.

Is that a publication?? I wish to subscribe please

Feel free to believe whatever makes you happy mate (without citing any references for bizarre claims - why base beliefs in truth when Lala land works?)

What makes me happy is that India is the fastest growing major economy today. That major tech firms are now run by Indians (Google, Microsoft etc). That I just saw a movie called "The man who knew infinity".

It also makes me happy that my country of citizenship (UK) has excellent infrastructure and is doing relatively well in comparison to rest of Europe.

To each, his own.

Frustrated indian House wives hijacking a genuine deal to calm themselves. Wasting everyones time..

Tsachin sorry mate I didn't mean to offend, I was just giving you my opinion having visited both sides of that part of the world. Anyway we have slightly different educational standards here in Britain. I'm afraid Wikipedia is not an adequate starting point for an academic enquiry. Kashmir didn't accede to India, only the discredited Prince 'Hari Singh' did and even that at the last minute to try and save his throne, whereas the majority of the people wanted to go over to Pakistan. When I was there it was the Kashmiris who referred to the Indian troops as an occupation force and so I used it also. Even on the Pakistani side they wanted a united and free Kashmir. I'm not really predisposed to either side, just my observations. As for Sajid Javid, our business Secretary. Yes he had to go over to India and extricate us from the mess created by the Indians trying to take over and run a world class company. Hopefully now we have it back we can return it to profitability. That is another thing I noticed about India, they still use our systems and infrastructure that we left back in the days of empire. I always wondered at the lack of original thought and why Indians choose instead to imitate us at every opportunity, whether it be fashion, film or business. Ah well, I guess they still see us their imperial Masters in thought and action. Anyway I hope you are enjoying the joys Great Britain has to offer and our generosity towards your people. It always give me a quite sense of satisfaction whenever I see anyone from the subcontinent turning on a tap over here and revelling in the clean free flowing water that comes out. It makes up for the excesses of empire somewhat I feel.

It's 336 from Manchester which is a good price

It's a deal site!

JFOYSMF

Proud Pakistanis doesn't really sit with Pakistanis being one of the largest non-warzone illegal migrants - Greece just returned several of them to Turkey - was all over the news. As for India, I thought the business secretary was in Mumbai "kowtowing" last week.
I notice you write India "occupied" Kashmir -seems like you have a bias already and whatever you experienced was through the lens of this bias. If you read history (the Wikipedia page is a decent starting point) you will notice that Kashmir had acceded to India when Pakistan sent in "occupying" forces. Which is when the whole mess began.

I cannot for the life of me remember exactly which country was given as the ethnic origin of those criminals featured in the news reports concerning events in Rotherham - no doubt all reports were totally untrue and most likely racist in content if one is to believe the apologists ?
Amongst all these opinions/facts flying around in this deal, I cannot help but reflect on how this site has changed in the past couple of years.
I'm sure those using this deal to visit family would almost certainly have been a very much smaller percentage of the membership than is the case now - not commenting on that aspect in particular, but I'd love to know what research if any is done by 'head office' on customer satisfaction for example, regarding quality of deals now compared to previous years.

Tsachin, I have travelled with freinds been to both and India and Pakistan. Both amazing countries with many similarities. The poverty I found in India was enormous compared to Pakistan. I went to Pakistan Kashmir and also Indian occupied Kashmir. Indian Kashmir was stunning but the people were unhappy and the security situation was tense. Pakistan Kashmir was not as nice as Indian Kashmir but I was free to travel around and the people were happier. As for the rape honor killing issues. I don't recognize what you are saying as accurate about Pakistan. these things are present, of course, but not widespread as you imply and certainly not something a tourist would have to deal with. In India however I found a salaciousness ever present wherever I went, except in Goa and the North East. I think it is more to do with the influence of their media, especially, Bollywood. I suggest you try and visit. It may surprise you. Another observation I made was that Indians seemed a lot less secure about their identity. Wherever we went, although we were welcomed, the sycophancy and kowtowing from some Indians was overbearing. It was as if they wanted validation at every turn. Pakistanis seemed more secure and although friendly and welcoming, they were proud of their culture and did not seek to ape every western facet they could. Finally I also found a lot of variety in terms of features and looks amongst Pakistanis. Indians - how do I say this kindly? Not so much. Just my thoughts, anyway.

I visited Pakistan as a (western) tourist in 2006. Overall I had a wonderful trip. I found the urban centres fascinating and the topography magnificent. But from the outset - from the point of applying for a visa at the Pakistan embassy - I was made aware that the Pakistani authorities had concerns about my safety. I planned to fly to Islamabad and was instructed at the embassy that I would not be allowed to travel elsewhere in the country. When I mentioned that I hoped to visit Peshawar, I was told this was a definite no-no. However, nothing on my printed visa barred such a visit, and with this ensured I visited Peshawar and several small NW frontier towns. In one of them, Kohat, I had just left my bus when I was picked up by the local police, taken to a station and told I had to leave before dark, as they couldn't ensure my safety. They were the ones who would be held responsible if anything happened to me. After I left the station I stopped to speak to a group of locals who'd greeted me in a very friendly way. Two different policemen arrived and demanded why I was speaking to 'dangerous people', who were Afghanis, not Pakistanis. They insisted I go with them to a (different) station where I got a real grilling of why as a western I was in Pakistan. I showed my passport and related my itinerary, to no avail. Again I got the story - it'll be held against us if anything happens to you. I was told I had to leave Kohat immediately and was then taken in a police vehicle to the bus station where they saw me on board my bus. These specific experiences I mention to demonstrate that the anxieties some western tourists have about Pakistan as a safe destination for travel are reflected in the attitudes of the Pakistani authorities at embassy. as well as local level. I'd go back to Pakistan tomorrow, with no fear for my personal safety, but I have to recognise that some parts of the country are not hassle free. Ten years is a long time in the politics of any country, and I expect the situation has not improved. My advice to a western tourist would be, stick to the major cities, i.e. Lahore and Islamabad, avoid large public gatherings and exercise the kind of care you would in any world city. You will get the kindest of welcomes from the ordinary Pakistani people.

Let me just put this to rest. Yes some parts of the country is dangerous and not suitable for travellers. However in some parts, people living in rural Pakistan seem to know hardly any of the dangers than people living in foreign countries hear about.

Some right clowns on here. Just because someone states it would be one of the last places on earth they would visit as a tourist it comes down to racism etc.
Ridiculous. It would be one of the last place I would visit as a tourist. The same for Saudi, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Russia, Mongolia and plenty other countries of multiple religious status..... Nothing racist, just I would rather go to other countries that suit my tastes. No doubt these countries have natural beauty, but just not to my taste....bit like a beach holiday compared to snow, all inclusive to camping. Camping would be the last type of holiday in a lot of peoples opinion. Is that racist? No its an opinion on personal preference. So how is that a bad perception of a country or racist? Some people do seriously need to understand what is being said.

If you had cared to read through my comment, you would have come across the part where I accept the problem and provide one of the reasons for it - sexually frustrated males in a male dominated Conservative society in North India. You would find significantly less occurrences of such events in southern parts of India. Same argument applies to Pakistan but more acutely. Females are more frequently forced to stay silent and are sacrificed in the name of honour there. If you want a good source on contemporary Pakistan, I would recommend the news site Dawn.
Back to the topic at hand - take UK for example - how many people of Indian origin do you find in the news for the wrong reasons - I am sure there will be a few... But they will be far far fewer than those from Pakistan.

BTW, I am a perfectly Brown Indian if that helps. Anyway, feel free to diss my Indian background if that makes you happy.

£37 extra from Birmingham

Maybe you should be looking closer to home than having a go at Pakistanis. Pot kettle black comes to mind unless you're one of those 'white' Indians. Butter wouldn't melt?

Girl, 15, raped and set on fire in India

great deal but wish it was from London or Manchester!

Pakistan is safe enough for an experienced traveller. Just don't walk around wearing a bowler hat and three piece suite and you'll be fine. I'm going in June on an open jaw trip and as with any country try not to stand out in a crowd.

Lol....sad but true.

Which part wasn't clear - that I am from South Asian cultural background, that I have holidayed in India including Kashmir, that I have dealt with Pakistanis in UK and have read news from multiple sources about Pakistan and Pakistanis.
Well, you are free to believe whatever makes you happy.

Sign me up, i love an adventure.

i was correct then, you havent visited. and then one wonders ]what gives you the right to make nonsensical comments about sexual frustrations about a community you have not interacted with in pakistan.

reuters and bloomberg just use words of three syllables, the reporting is in essence little different and about as reliable.

anyway as a deal this is very good.

the threat of criminal activity is about the same the world over , its no different in karachi. its perfectly safe if one is sensible and in karachi in particular to have some local knowledge. considering its a city of 11 million and a major international economic hub i suspect its safe enough.

something to witness beyond the usual sight seeing are the multi million pound homes of the middle classes and wealthy. why, because that aspect of pakistan is rarely visited upon by our media as is the modernity of shopping malls/services etc. it is quite an eye opener, as is the poverty elsewhere and lack of infrastructure. for a tourist this is why the complexity of society is fascinating. and in general there is no hostility from the average person. as a tourist one just has to be sensible.

currently the military is on an offensive (partly because of the £35 billion infrastructure investment from china) and the threat of terrorism whilst still present it is on a very marked downward turn. just use common sense.

I am of Indian origin and have been on holiday to the Kashmir Valley during more peaceful times (very scenic indeed). Reuters and Bloomberg are my preferred news sources. But don't let that stand in your way of making random incorrect statements.

and yet youve been to neither but have read the daily star and daily mail.

I'm from a clinician from Lahore. hot deal for me. didnt know there was too much hate for Pakistan though

These are the media fed idiots. They close their eyes and follow the lines drawn by BBCs and Murdochs & Daily Mails.
OP clearly says about the flights to visit family/friends.
Open your eyes people and use your brain not theirs.

UK government advice on travel to Pakistan

"There is a high threat from terrorism, kidnap and sectarian violence throughout Pakistan. There is a heightened threat of terrorist attacks, and kidnapping against western nationals in Pakistan."

ohhh slippery slope sir. This is a thread is on Pakistan and this guys getting India involved.

Kashmir is beautiful, just totally amazing!

Thought the capital of tape was "T" :smiley:

Clearly you are of Pakistani origin and have never visited India let alone Delhi. The "North Indian" culture of Conservative society leading to sexually frustrated youth is probably much more pronounced in Pakistan given similar but more extreme cultural conservatism. The events get reported in Delhi while the female's relatives hack her in the name of honour in Pakistan. Google it - honour killing has even spread to that community in the UK!

No, only in Rotherham!!

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Even with the rape cases, India gets more tourists visiting the country than Pakistan will ever...rapes don't occur in Pakistan do they, right :-/

Good deal.

Heat! Great price! I paid 550 from Heathrow for Aug and the northern areas of Pakistan are absolutely beautiful! Kashmir, Murree, Naran Kaghan, Neelum Valley, these places are a must visit.

Should be a great place, they get almost £800 million a year foreign aid from us!!

As a tourist I think it's one of the last places on earth I would want to visit - good deal though if you have friends or family there.

hot

then it should also be noted that America is the cause of the violence trying it's best to destabilise Pakistan for its own ends.

My friend you mixing Delhi (India) with Karachi. Delhi is the capital of tape not Karachi

[quoteAnd how long did you exactly stay for and what area ][/quote]I thought it would be obvious from my comment that I have never been there - never mind.
I don't doubt that Pakistan has beautiful scenery but I wouldn't go there just like I wouldn't visit Kabul. Baghdad or Damascus at present - and why some idiots feel the need to play the race card I have no idea - some people seem to be determined to find racism and bigotry in every comment.
I have been lucky enough to have visited well over 50 countries around the world and have no problem with different cultures. - in fact I embrace them.

Lahore isn't bad. Seems too much of the Daily Rubbish etc has given people a bad image.

Was gonna say just like south London then

And it's not fact

Just type Neelum Valley in Google, keyboard bigots, you may even see something beautiful beyond your troll oh I'm not racist I'm stating fact noses!

also great if planning a trip along the "grand trunk road". a must see experiance

Oh it's definitely not a tourist place, though the North of the country is magnificent, filled with stunning landscapes, welcoming indigents and centuries of culture. The passion for politics and real change across the land is hobbled by the lack of rigorous education for all but a select few.

But enough about the UK...

Just like south l

some of the most beautiful scenic places are in pakistan... just not around lahore though. have some heat!

Yeah Karachi is great, go out after 7pm and have the fear of being robbed raped then killed or even robbed, killed then raped lol.

Wow.

You thought that comment was bad?? This deal will be a casual racism fest by tomorrow morning. I vote the deal Hot (for what it is worth)

I voted hot, but I stand by comment, which I am free to make - if you wish to visit then good for you

Hot from me considering the ridiculous prices all airlines charge throughout the year, just to note the majority of people from the UK go to visit their family of such and isn't to be considered as your usual holiday destination based on previous comments seen.

Pretty amazing price on a very good airline especially if you're around Edinburgh. Heat