Some reasons why I would and wouldn't get this card:

I would:

1. Async Compute
2. Ferrari 100 would be happy and I like making people happy, usually in a strictly platonic way
3. It's better than my R9 270
4. Jesus you can never rule him out, I reckon if he's about he's probably a pretty decent gamer by now.

I wouldn't

1. Async Compute - Devs will ignore this and code for Nvidia GPUs regardless.
2. Ferrari 100 would be annoyed, I know what I said before but come on he's a fanboy
3.
4. Definitely because of 3.
5. Goto 3
6. Got out of that loop eh? This card is not good enough for you get a Titan X

I wouldn't get an XFX card, bad quality.

Analysis of your comment is as follows:

Firstly you work on the basis of assumption. This is never a good basis to form logical reasoning. We should work from facts, facts tell us that there is not enough data to assume that Async Compute will matter anywhere near as much as it is imagined.



1. How many titles will take advantage of Async Compute?
2. Will Devs code for Nvidia or AMD? There is definite bias in the industry.
3. Async Compute has very limited functionality in current gen consoles despite them having AMD APUs.
4. If these people don't know the answer then you don't know >

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213519-asynchronous-shading-amd-nvidia-and-dx12-what-we-know-so-far

http://www.overclock.net/t/1572716/directx-12-asynchronous-compute-an-exercise-in-crowd-sourcing

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/dx12-performance-discussion-and-analysis-thread.57188/

The new Hitman game shows benchmarks where it's faster in DX12 than Nvidia, OK so that's it then Async Compute FTW! Well looking at it again, it's also faster in DX11 meaning the game has a clear advantage on AMD GPUs, it depends on the devs at the end of the day.

Now if you're really an AMD fanboy and still can't handle that AMD and Nvidia are still pretty much closely matched on average depending on the game then read this >

"Hitman dx12 benchmarks are here from the two popular german review sites and it's a repeat of AotS with nvidia cards usually losing performance under dx12 and AMD cards gaining it. 390X is now besting a 980Ti. Fury cards struggle to scale over Hawaii again.
(...)
I had speculated that dx12 will help AMD more than nvidia but it's not even helping them. Though pcgh did get a dx12 boost for 980Ti.

There are way too many games where a full Fiji can hardly put some distance from full Hawaii, which suggests that Fiji's substantially higher CU count is mostly standing idle and the chip may be sitting on a geometry bottleneck.

What's shocking to me is Pitcairn's performance in that game. It gets half the performance of a Tahiti card, which never used to happen before. Maybe AMD's driver isn't handling the 2GB limitation very well?"

AMD better with supporting older cards anymore than Nvidia? Doesn't appear to be the case.

DX12 is not good for the gamers, Nvidia Gameworks in not good for gamers. Nvidia force Gameworks, Microsoft force DX12 on Windows 10.

We need Vulkan >

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_%28API%29


NOW IF ASYNC COMPUTE DOES MATTER...

Nvidia cannot implement in driver meaning they can't implement preemptive hardware gains of Async Compute in software.
If many DX12 titles take advantage of Async Compute to the extent it is surmised then Nvidia are on the back foot.

If is a clause, therefore if at present subjugates assumption.

All we have to work on is assumption. Facts currently state that Nvidia and AMD are matched depending on the game. Nvidia and Microsoft work on closed software ethics. Gamers would benefit from open software especially implementation of the Vulkan API. Microsoft forces DX12 to only being available on Windows 10 platform, now look at the nastiness that is Microsoft and its Windows Store >

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/PC-Gaming-Shakeup-Ashes-Singularity-DX12-and-Microsoft-Store

"What we are seeing is the first implications of a new pipeline for graphics and compositing. WDDM 2.0 (Windows Display Driver Model) is a very big shift from what existed previously with WDDM 1.3. The days of exclusive fullscreen gaming may be on the way out as Microsoft shifts developers and hardware vendors into a standard path through the OS compositor rather than bypassing it. Implications for this change are only beginning to be understood, but let’s see how it affects Ashes of the Singularity today.

Even though Ashes of the Singularity is not a Windows Store application, the behavior we are seeing is part of the push that Microsoft is making to sell games through that store with a unified platform. The debate of app store based games versus free standing and open gaming has been a debate in the community since MS first starting discussing it – we just happen to have a real-world implication of it in front of us today."

You shouldn't be worrying about Async Compute, you should be concerned about Microsoft's implementation of DX12 and how it forces settings on the user whereby they can't interact to disable them. DX12 is controlled by Microsoft on its platform. Once DX12 bares fruition then Microsoft is ultimately in control of every gamers experience on every platform that uses DX12.

Now that is nasty!

A bad experience usually puts you off for future experiences.

Scorching. Shame it's scun computers.

Good deal.

Guy please stop. I can't play the Scan drinking game anymore. What is the game you ask? Well you take a shot each time someone calls Scan a scam and then again when someone asks why., then AGAIN when that person shares their story.

lol wtf.

Very nice. Nvidia pascal GPUs are rumoured to be coming out next month. Perhaps due to this we'll see further price drops.

I wouldn't get an XFX card, bad quality.

Looks like you might get the game too https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/hitman-free

I've had bad experiences with an RMA. I bought a 780 and it came with a free game code, which I redeemed to test the card on. However the card was unbearably loud so i tried to return it and they refused cause I used the code. Fortunately my friend bought a 770 at the time and had the code unredeemed so I was allowed to send that back.

I talked to another retailer about it and they were shocked as they get a big pile of the codes and just throw them away once the promotion ends.

That's an experience, not experiences though. Have you tried a product with Scan once since then?

A bad experience usually puts you off for future experiences.

A free DVD of a sh.itty movie? No thanks.

most of the scan hate seems to be based on rma which i have never experienced but from what i have they are fine to deal with, personally ive been using ocuk more though recently (got to love the free haribows :P)

No problems with Scan for me :smiley:

Some reasons why I would and wouldn't get this card:

I would:

1. Async Compute
2. Ferrari 100 would be happy and I like making people happy, usually in a strictly platonic way
3. It's better than my R9 270
4. Jesus you can never rule him out, I reckon if he's about he's probably a pretty decent gamer by now.

I wouldn't

1. Async Compute - Devs will ignore this and code for Nvidia GPUs regardless.
2. Ferrari 100 would be annoyed, I know what I said before but come on he's a fanboy
3.
4. Definitely because of 3.
5. Goto 3
6. Got out of that loop eh? This card is not good enough for you get a Titan X

The dx12 benchmarks are insane for amd and if pascal dosnt have async compute its going to flop big time.
Can't believe a 390 beats a Titian X so a 290x will beat the Titian X if you overclock that puppy. Amd are great at supporting there older cards as nvidia has stopped supporting Kepler already. Must be painful if u bought a of Titian or 780ti, 780,770.
Where is nvidias 6 month driver for async as its getting creamed.
Oh wait it can't as its hardware not software lol

I had the same. 7970 was dead. Filmed videos of it neing dead. Included tests of my cpu and ram showing they were fine. They have it for a whole month. Wait for ages. Tell me it was fine all the tests they did. I tell them to test again. Did. Day later come back saying it was indeed dead.. (probably didn't test in the first place).. say they'll send a new one out the same day. Don't get any email or phone calls. Wait 2/3 days before getting back to them. Didn't have any in stock. Ask for a another which said in stock. They said fine. Went to send it out. They didn't actually have any. They then refused to go with any 7970 which was of a higher value unless I paid extra despitee by this point having waited 2 months from original contact to them about it. Then had to wait 2/3 weeks for stock. Didn't apolagise once or even give me a notification of them sending out the new card. Their excuse was that they were busy. Total BS as this had streched out over 1/4 of the year and there hadn't been any major hardware releases. Never using them again. Stuck to amazon, aria PC and novatech.
Novatech for example. I had dead ram stick. Phoned them up. Sent out new ram stick within hours, received it next day with a return postage bag paid for to send broken one back. Yes price difference is huge but still. 3 months to sort something vs 2/3 days...

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This is a great price... I have an oculus coming in April, my current hd7850 is not powerful enough. Do I pull the trigger on this or wait?!?

thanks op order but some reason they charged me extra does nt make any sense

8GB XFX Radeon R9 390 Double Dissipation, 6000MHz GDDR5, 1000MHz GPU, 2560 Streams + FREE Copy of Hi
Ex VAT £179.99 Inc VAT £215.99

so 215.99 + del 9.58 = 225.57 not sure why charging me £1.91 extra
check out the maths??
Sub Total £179.99
Carriage £9.58
VAT £37.91
Total £227.48

Could you elaborate on that?

​Scrap that. You need to change the delivery options to ups to get it at ~£220

i will just call them tomorrow to sort it out i did nt wanted to miss out on the deal so place the order anyway

i did that but it changed back did you manage to check out with that price ??

The correct question was to not ask him a question.

I've tested Nvidia GPUs versus AMD on my XW6600 Workstation. The AMD GPUs become CPU bound whereas the Nvidia ones don't. Meaning the AMD requires more CPU computational power to perform than the direct Nvidia equivalent. This is a direct comparison of the current generation, whether that trend will continue to the next I don't know. I own a Radeon R9 270 2GB card, so any question of me being an Nvidia fanboy is nonsense. I have the card as I'm an infrequent gamer and it plays everything I require of it currently and it was dirt cheap.

Using "fanboy' as a comeback turns it into childish bickering. We are consumers afterall.
This is what we're seeing in DX12. The overhead reduction is giving them good gains. It took NVIDIA a long time to get their GPU's this efficient in DX11.

It may be seen that I prefer Nvidia in the comments I've made, I clarified my position by mentioning I own and use an AMD Radeon R9 270. One must be open to being a disloyal consumer as loyalty does not afford you gain in the technology industry. I choose to use whatever performs the best for me at the price point, the fact I got the R9 270 for £70 a couple years ago from where I work means it was a good deal and irrespective of who was the current percieved leader at the time I did what was best for me. I will choose AMD or Nvidia irrespective of my experience with them beforehand, but on whom is the proven leader at the right price point for me. That is how any consumer should think.

It'll always create a divide in opinions and that's a good thing. Otherwise we have a monopoly and reduced innovation.
The hostility though over loyalty that we see around here is in the more extreme side.
Choosing a GPU gets more difficult now with monitor adaptive vsync as most keep their monitor longer than a GPU. You're committing and you might not even realize.

Analysis of your comment is as follows:

Firstly you work on the basis of assumption. This is never a good basis to form logical reasoning. We should work from facts, facts tell us that there is not enough data to assume that Async Compute will matter anywhere near as much as it is imagined.



1. How many titles will take advantage of Async Compute?
2. Will Devs code for Nvidia or AMD? There is definite bias in the industry.
3. Async Compute has very limited functionality in current gen consoles despite them having AMD APUs.
4. If these people don't know the answer then you don't know >

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213519-asynchronous-shading-amd-nvidia-and-dx12-what-we-know-so-far

http://www.overclock.net/t/1572716/directx-12-asynchronous-compute-an-exercise-in-crowd-sourcing

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/dx12-performance-discussion-and-analysis-thread.57188/

The new Hitman game shows benchmarks where it's faster in DX12 than Nvidia, OK so that's it then Async Compute FTW! Well looking at it again, it's also faster in DX11 meaning the game has a clear advantage on AMD GPUs, it depends on the devs at the end of the day.

Now if you're really an AMD fanboy and still can't handle that AMD and Nvidia are still pretty much closely matched on average depending on the game then read this >

"Hitman dx12 benchmarks are here from the two popular german review sites and it's a repeat of AotS with nvidia cards usually losing performance under dx12 and AMD cards gaining it. 390X is now besting a 980Ti. Fury cards struggle to scale over Hawaii again.
(...)
I had speculated that dx12 will help AMD more than nvidia but it's not even helping them. Though pcgh did get a dx12 boost for 980Ti.

There are way too many games where a full Fiji can hardly put some distance from full Hawaii, which suggests that Fiji's substantially higher CU count is mostly standing idle and the chip may be sitting on a geometry bottleneck.

What's shocking to me is Pitcairn's performance in that game. It gets half the performance of a Tahiti card, which never used to happen before. Maybe AMD's driver isn't handling the 2GB limitation very well?"

AMD better with supporting older cards anymore than Nvidia? Doesn't appear to be the case.

DX12 is not good for the gamers, Nvidia Gameworks in not good for gamers. Nvidia force Gameworks, Microsoft force DX12 on Windows 10.

We need Vulkan >

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_%28API%29


NOW IF ASYNC COMPUTE DOES MATTER...

Nvidia cannot implement in driver meaning they can't implement preemptive hardware gains of Async Compute in software.
If many DX12 titles take advantage of Async Compute to the extent it is surmised then Nvidia are on the back foot.

If is a clause, therefore if at present subjugates assumption.

All we have to work on is assumption. Facts currently state that Nvidia and AMD are matched depending on the game. Nvidia and Microsoft work on closed software ethics. Gamers would benefit from open software especially implementation of the Vulkan API. Microsoft forces DX12 to only being available on Windows 10 platform, now look at the nastiness that is Microsoft and its Windows Store >

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/PC-Gaming-Shakeup-Ashes-Singularity-DX12-and-Microsoft-Store

"What we are seeing is the first implications of a new pipeline for graphics and compositing. WDDM 2.0 (Windows Display Driver Model) is a very big shift from what existed previously with WDDM 1.3. The days of exclusive fullscreen gaming may be on the way out as Microsoft shifts developers and hardware vendors into a standard path through the OS compositor rather than bypassing it. Implications for this change are only beginning to be understood, but let’s see how it affects Ashes of the Singularity today.

Even though Ashes of the Singularity is not a Windows Store application, the behavior we are seeing is part of the push that Microsoft is making to sell games through that store with a unified platform. The debate of app store based games versus free standing and open gaming has been a debate in the community since MS first starting discussing it – we just happen to have a real-world implication of it in front of us today."

You shouldn't be worrying about Async Compute, you should be concerned about Microsoft's implementation of DX12 and how it forces settings on the user whereby they can't interact to disable them. DX12 is controlled by Microsoft on its platform. Once DX12 bares fruition then Microsoft is ultimately in control of every gamers experience on every platform that uses DX12.

Now that is nasty!

Can't be bothered to read all your dribble lol
10/10 for effort but we're talking about people buying a 390 and it's the best bang for buck card with legs on it wether u like it or not.
Amd is only getting faster and maxwell is only getting slower.
4gb vs 8gb with proper dx12 support.
You would have to be brain dead to take the maxwell with the lastest information. I'm off to bed goodnight

If you can't listen to the other party in a debate then you have no place in the debate, you really should have read what I wrote in the last few paragraphs and you might have learnt something :smiley:

Also when presented with evidence and you don't change your position that is stupid. I am prepared to change my position on Async Compute once the FACTS are in, as I reference technical forum debates where the answer as to whether Async Compute will have the actual imagined effect it will have is still not answered, by people who understand the topic in much greater depth than yourself.

Lastly I then stated the major problems with DX12 and Microsoft. Have a read like I said it'll probably be information you were too arrogant to have considered.

This is one of those tedious forum debates isn't it? Whose willy is bigger.

Dropping out of the tedium that is the 'debate' between myself and Smoking173850 and his lack of factual evidence, and my tedious long winded ah hoc technical retorts, here's a reasonably balanced video. He's really against Nvidia's Gameworks and how Nvidia operate in general >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLOAQFpaGh8

Would he advise you buy an AMD card though? His answer is at 22:12. I recommend you watch the whole video. It's not fanboyist, it's just based on the facts currently. Does it paint a picture of AMD being massively superior in DX12? No. Does it say Nvidia are shining golden light of joy and they are the only choice? No. Does it criticise both AMD and Nvidia on various points? Yes.

Here's some more hatred of Nvidia and how they aren't great for gamers >

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M

So is the R9 390 a decent card? Absolutely, is the Nvidia 980 Ti the best card out currently, it certainly looks that way. Are Microsoft and Nvidia just a little bit too controlling and quite a bit nasty for gamers, yup definitely.

if this was for the Sapphire Nitro card, I would have bought in a heartbeat

What is it about being technically illiterate that also goes hand in hand with being linguistically illiterate? :confused:

Hey, Smoking137683, I'm still waiting for my prize! http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gainward-pci-e-gtx980-ti-phoenix-gs-graphics-card-6144-mb-hdmi-dvi-499-99-amazon-2403947?p=27470480

If you got your facts so wrong before, why should we believe you are right this time?

In other news, same site shows 970 beating 390 in a different newly released game http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Division-Spiel-37399/Specials/PC-Benchmarks-1188384/

so good gains for Amd, yes, best bang for buck? Well yes if all you plan to do is run hitman or the aots benchmark.

Incidentally amd's new drivers have fixed performance in gears of war dx12 as well. Now they only trail Nvidia by 50% in that title.

Buyer beware, best advise is wait for new cards if you can.

should I get one to crossfire with my 290x? or it will be limited by the 390? help me plz guys. or should I wait till Xmas?

I would rather buy this GPU and know it is future proof than buy an Nvidia GPU that will be outdates within 24 months.
These cards - and the New Pascal cards if no Asynchronous compute - will be dumped on overnight when Volta arrives with the tech.
Nvidia, Yuck.

Intel and AMD FTW!

The denial is huuuge with you.

I wouldn't normally drop to this level, but you just confirmed your status as a simpleton in my opinion. I've made quite a few constructive comments on these deals now and you have never addressed a single point I made. Well done!

Thanks, ordered.

You also get a digital download of the new hitman game with the order.

While I would take the hitman benchmarks with a big pinch of salt (something is probably odd on nvidia's driver side, especially considering that they need sw emulation for stuff like asynch shaders so I would wait for the next driver before using them as reference), ashes is most definitively not an Amd title, as it was confirmed several times by the developer.

Fantastic price for the best mid/high end card out there (and yeah, for most accounts better than the 970). Scorching.

It's an AMD sponsored title.

I stand corrected! Was it always sponsored, i wonder?

Good deal, make sure to check your case is big enough for it though, 29.5cm is quite long, doesn't fit my case unfortunately.

If you have an account on avforums you can get free shipping too.

Personally never had problems with Scan, I bought my last graphics card from them which I had to RMA and they were fine, they got DPD to pick it up and a replacement was sent out soon enough. I bought other stuff from them as well, they are on ebay so it's quite useful to have the collect from argos option.

There is a reason XFX is cheap, their stock coolers are rubbish, if you're not going aftermarket cooling, pay a bit more for a reliable cooler (asus or MSI would be my choice.)

Errr... neither has "proper" DX12 support at the moment. I thought you said you were an expert at all this? Then again, you did claim that Mantle was turned into DX12 (citing the brilliant source "lol google it" - although, oddly enough, doing so showed that you were entirely wrong).

Still, it's strange that even without "proper" DX12 support, the £230 970 outperforms the £460 Fury X in DX12 Rise of the Tomb Raider:



What does this tell us? Do we now have absolute proof that Nvidia's cards are going to absolutely destroy AMD's in DX12 games? Are all of AMD's current cards now out-of-date already?

No, of course not. It tells us that it's too early to judge what's going to happen - and that we can write off experts like you and your "m8" with the "Titian" as talking hogswallop.

Want people to believe what you say, Smoking214892? Don't fill all of your posts with mistakes. Because maybe, one day, you might be right about something - and no-one will believe you.

The difference is this Nvidia gimped games can and will be rectified and AMD will have comparable performance.
Nvidia can't fix issues in proper DX12 titles as they are hardware problems that software can't fix.

Ah, an AMD prediction from Ferrari100.

Let's just remember another one of your classic predictions:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/msi-gtx-750-ti-2gb-gddr5-vga-dual-link-dvi-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-card-now-94-98-delivered-2201362?p=25053415

Just before the launch of the 300 series, that was. Oops, I mean the "revolutionary" 300 series. And we all remember well how the entire Maxwell series failed (indeed, failed "BIG"), don't we? I don't think any of them even show up on the Steam Hardware Survey. :man:

You claim that AMD will be the best performer in DX12, and when they aren't, you turn around and blame Nvidia. Well, "if you can’t beat em blame em." :wink:

Great price, heat added

Anybody supporting Nvidia is selfish.

I want to see as much technology as possible before I die, as I am sure others do too.
Having Nvidia try and hold back technology as they do is disgusting. Everybody supporting Nvidia's corrupt business practices are responsible for consumers seeing less technology over their lifetime and clearly have hidden agendas.

Nope.

Crap...just when im about to sell mine!

Are you using some 'Ends justify the means' to support your full frontal assault on NVIDIA?

Are you truly comfortable lying to people in an attempt to dissuade them from buying NVIDIA?

This post shows just how deep your bias against NVIDIA truly runs. Make note of this post, this is why you should take anything Ferrari100 says with a huge amount of skepticism.

Information is power, and when you spread disinformation, you are actually hurting the industry, and gamers, far more than anyone else.

I own more Intel products than you ever will.
Supporting corrupt businesses like Nvidia holds back technology from everybody, including you. Fortunately most people don't think like you and the many are already starting to turn their back on Nvida for their dodgy practices.

Sixteen is not the number of titles Game Works has destroyed.

What does owning more or less Intel products prove?

Also, have you not seen the responses to you on these forums? Do you honestly believe people back your opinion?

Have you seen the numbers for NVIDIA versus AMD on the hardware survey?

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey


Have a look, you say people are 'starting to turn their back on NVIDIA' but statistics don't agree with you. They are turning their backs to AMD. Looks like they went from 29.5% in Sept 2014 to 26% in Feb 2016 with a downward trend.

Cannot purchase it anymore(doesn't add to basket) so I presume it has expired. Shame as it was a great deal.

has it expired?

yeah, it has expired. I just tried again.