Well, I wouldn't mind a 4.7" dedicated Sat Nav for £20..

Surprisingly nice phone. Build quality is excellent, camera works well, & the interface is v.fluid (assuming it is updated to a more current build of W10Mobile)

Well worth the money.

& in other news, Microsoft has just announced that they will be making significant improvements to the Windows Maps apps - specifically regarding navigation (which is its current weakness vs Here Drive).

Apple has Apple Maps
Google has Google Maps
Microsoft will soon just have Microsoft Maps

The strategy makes sense. Also, I dare say HERE will pull out of the consumer space entirely. It is now owned by a consortium of car manufacturers - so their focus almost certainly isn't going to be in the smartphone space.

No drama.

Victim blaming suggests that those foolish enough to download nefarious apps should take no responsibility for doing so? I agree the app store owners should shoulder a portion of the blame, but so should users! Fake apps are very easy to identify, as JoeSpur has already eluded to, most, if not all the main apps that most people use, in the case of his example social networking, they all create their own apps, under their own development centres. Facebook is made by Facebook inc, Twitter is made by Twitter Inc, Snapchat is made by Snapchat Inc. The latter is the perfect example of using third party supplied applications. Snapchat isn't present on the Windows Mobile Store, there were a number of third party options, but a breach in their security was traced back to a particular third party app which lost all the personal information of people that used the app. It no longer exists for that reason! There are also quick and easy ways of finding out if an app is endorsed or not. Outsourcing app development is not uncommon, but their own websites will link to the relevant app store page for what you need. Banking is an example of that, my bank provides an app on the google play store that is developed elsewhere, but I got the link from my bank, I know it is good!

It is too easy to blame everyone else when ultimately, all the information is there for you make the right choice! If in doubt, ask!

Price has now gone up to £39.99 on PAYG upgrade (Virgin & Vodafone), £44.99 (O2).

Yep, my in-store experience was similar, though the guy did sell me it (on O2 PAYG upgrade) for the £19.99 Virgin price in the end.

He had never heard of the PAYG upgrade price match, neither had his colleague. Showed him the page on CPW web site, he made a couple of calls to head office (or whoever it is in-store staff call with questions). From what I overheard, neither person he spoke to had any idea about it either!

I sent CPW a message via their web site about that experience. Ideally they'll actually do something about it (i.e. train their staff properly), but I'm not holding my breath...

Interestingly, it appears to have retained it's wireless for a week after the last reinstall so hopefully that is fixed.

I may even bung a SIM in soon .....

Cheers - I might just do that.

I've done a complete phone reset and not pulled back any apps that I had installed on my old phone so it should give me a baseline as to whether the issue is OS dependent or a misbehaving app. If that doesn't cure the problem then I'll sign up on the insider program :smiley:

Couldn't get it, to them I was lying up until the point I showed the website and at that point they changed their tune to "not our problem, it's not as if we are Carphone Warehouse or anything". I don't think the staff have any kind of process to find out information, a process to manually override prices in situations like this or a process to get something fixed about the company. So it makes sense why they are so defensive about it since they have no ability to do literally anything about it. Sent a complaint to the ASA about it which is silly because a normal company would have just given the £10 that one time and removed the ad from the website.

Having a lot of trouble trying to get them to price match. They are just terrible. Phoned customer service and they told me to ring whilst in store or get them to ring. It will be a nightmare as the staff don't know what they are doing and the first customer service rep didn't know what they were doing.

Kind of feel like they should get training instead of me having to do their job for them haha

\end salty rant

Anyone have any trouble or did anyone doing the price match get it easily?

Nope - just using the mainstream OTA updates and WDRT for the current firmware update.

Has anyone else had issues with their phone losing connection to Wifi and refusing to reconnect without a reboot ?

I've done all the updates but can normally only maintain 3-6 hours of connection before it disconnects. I've managed a couple of days once but then it bombed again.

Thank's.
For those interested top cashback tracking at £5.05(now £5.30) so makes phone under £15,absolute bargain for spec.

Sign up here using your Microsoft account details;

https://insider.windows.com/

Then download the Windows Insider app and sign in;

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/store/apps/windows-insider/9wzdncrfjbhk

You will have the choice to be fast ring (bleeding edge of development - more bugs), or slow ring. I recommend slow ring for beginners. It has bug fixes that are still a problem in the standard phone software....but is also more stable than the fast ring release.

Once you have selected slow ring, just go to settings > phone update and download the updates that are available :smiley:. You'll be given update prompts on a fairly regular basis that will continue to improve your phone. It's a great alternative to Android where you kind of just get stuck with what you have when you buy the phone.

W10 Mobile is turning into a v.good mobile OS...especially with Continuum. Plenty of potential

I got this phone,new to windows 10 & smartphones in genral.
How do you get Insider Preview?
Saw a developer mode in update & security is this anything to do with it?

MetroTube. Fully featured. Free. The 79p app charge is entirely optional. It is there as a way to support the developers. It doesn't unlock any special features as all features are available without charge.

FYI, MetroTube is fully featured and entirely free. The 79p charge is optional.

As for the other ones...I am guessing you are annoyed at having to pay to rid them of adverts?! In case you hadn't noticed, the official YouTube app on iOS/Android sticks adverts in front of most videos.

Personally, I would be happy to see a small banner advert in a Windows Phone app if it means I never have to see a YouTube advert! But as it so happens, I use MetroTube - and as such never needed to pay for anything. (I did pay the 79p though as I think it is good to support the developers)

Any other questions? :wink:

Hence the "nearly" in my comment.

:smiley:

Er just browse to YouTube.com in the browser - works perfectly

Metro tube 79p
Tubecast £2.29
My tubes 79p

As i said NO YOUTUBE!

If my mother wanted too pay for an app I'd buy an iPhone for her.

Usually they need to call the customer service to get the authorization. I am on O2 so a £10 difference, significant.

Anybody price matched in store? It works, but the store near my home really behave cheap (they keep insisting on reinterpreting the match promise). Last time on a different deal I argued for over an hour to get a match as they finally realized that i am not going to leave without one... don't feel that sort of energy this tme for this phone.

You what?! Must be the most ill informed comment I've seen in a while on here!!

MetroTube
TubeCast
MyTube

For various reasons (offline video caching, background streaming, lack of adverts), Windows Phone is arguably the best place to watch YouTube content on any mobile phone OS!

Would like to get this phone for my old Queen but she is on Orange and my old 02 sim is dead, has anyone got a sim /number I could use?

No working youtube, unless you consider that not commonly used :smirk:

Yeah been on build 164 since as soon as I got it. Might try the fast ring.

This phone is simply too slow for normal use if you have more than one application open at once, especially if one is a complicated website or something like Spotify. I can see me throwing this phone at the nearest wall quite soon. Just this message has taken me 5 mins to type with the 'swype' like keyboard missing keys and words.

Needed a cheap phone to tide me over until I replace my proper one I lost last week so picked this up to see what Windows 10 was like. It's not bad. Biggest issues for me - Spotify app doesn't have Spotify Connect and my home automation system doesn't work on it. Best thing is the Outlook client and Office. It'll do me for a while till I decide what next higher end phone to get. It's quite slow at times though.

I have just received a sim card to buy this phone, when I put in the details to buy I get 'you cannot upgrade' any suggestions

Just been over the six months on my Virgin emergency sim and was success! Straight on ebay for £20 profit and then some of that can go on a top up only used about £2 of the original £10 credit! Got the then phone free with a £10 top up then sold that on ebay for £8 so start up costs were just £2 silly really but more fun than anything else

Also tried online using my granddad’s Vodafone PAYG sim, but this came back as ineligible even though he has had it for years (it is active, and he does make some top-ups). After ringing CW the advisor said we would need to be topping up by at least £5 a month, every month (back to back) for 6 months to be eligible (and this isn’t the case). Not sure how accurate that is given that she was using that info to try and sell me a sim-free version at a ’special rate' of £40 (arguing that I would need to shell out a lot each month to be eligible for PAYG upgrades, so it was best to buy sim-free).

EDIT: Just found this. A little old, but probably still accurate. This says he requires a top-up of £15 in the last 4 months. His last top up was 5 months ago and for £5. Shame to be missing this deal....

Tried to price match in-store today using an EE PAYG sim (so £19.99). Wasn’t recognising my number as a valid EE number on CW’s system. Store telephoned EE and was told that whilst it is a valid EE number, EE do not offer the option of an upgrade on EE PAYG, and this is why it wasn’t working. Having had experience of the general incompetence of EE customer services (never trust the advice they give you), I doubted this, but then another colleague in store came over to try and help, and (unaware of the EE phone call) immediately indicated that she had experienced this problem previously with EE PAYG sims, and that it was not possible to upgrade them. Pretty disappointed...

I have got a Vodafone pay as you go number. If I buy this phone as a Vodaphone upgrade, can I put an EE or O2 sim in it? Just checking, as I heard all Carphone warehouse phones are unlocked.

But the crap app store will make you through it out the window

How recently ago did that happen to you?

Version 10586.107 was meant to have fixed/improved that problem, and that came out 10th February.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/02/10/announcing-windows-10-mobile-insider-preview-build-10586-107/

I hope that is fixed, you should be able to use a recovery key, rather than have to reflash the device using the WDRT and lose all data.

Search the net, you ll see how many devices rendered useless and bricked as some not even flashable !

and Good luck putting that data in !

You ll end up doing a complete low level flash if you are lucky !

WORD OF ADVICE

if you ever enroll to join corporate network and emails on the phone and ever attempt to hard reset you will need bitlocker recovery key !! I semibricked mine and had to do a recovery flash on low level !

MS is so screwed !! and their W10 is pretty sleek but full of bugs !

At least it's monitored and if any bad ones slip through, will be removed and refund offered. Although some might not like all that monitoring. I prefer it.

Didn't think of that but luckily didn't have any problems upgrading to latest firmware

Could I just buy it then get it u unlocked?

None so far, also updated to the latest firmware, no problems there either.

Received mine today and can confirm it is unlocked

​Yeah sure just hand in your probably much more expensive phone and they will give you this!

Without the option of EE these upgrade offers have become kinda meh :disappointed:

The any network payasugo upgrade offer only works with o2, voda. not ee.
Your sim has to have been active for 6 months too to get the offer, so you couldn't get a new one :-(

Again MS is on the back foot with their OS. I like the OS but it has such a long long way to go to compete with the two giants IOS and Android. Regardless of that, it's a no brainer to get a phone like this if you're just trying out a smartphone or fancy a change from the other two platforms.

& in other news, Microsoft has just announced that they will be making significant improvements to the Windows Maps apps - specifically regarding navigation (which is its current weakness vs Here Drive).

Apple has Apple Maps
Google has Google Maps
Microsoft will soon just have Microsoft Maps

The strategy makes sense. Also, I dare say HERE will pull out of the consumer space entirely. It is now owned by a consortium of car manufacturers - so their focus almost certainly isn't going to be in the smartphone space.

No drama.

That's a bummer. I've been using it on my Android phone and tablets! It was one of the reasons I got a Lumia 520 a couple of years ago and carried on using it after I swapped to Android.

HERE is not the only app. It was a flagship app for Nokia devices when they existed, but after Nokia was bought out and HERE was sold it was no longer an exclusive app. Their maps and data is incorporated into Microsoft Maps which is now the default map/sat nav app and has been for a while way before HERE decided to pull the plug.

Loads have slipped through the net and then been removed once reported.

Because everyone parks right on the edge :laughing::stuck_out_tongue::smirk:

I have to agree, it's as good as dead and buying technology based on the notion that the situation will improve in the future ends in disappointment virtually every time.

You speak as though some miracle will save Windows 10 Mobile. It won't. I'm just relaying the news.

Here is gone, which implies - Windows 10 Mobile is gone. Its doesn't lose a headlining app like this, and remain relevant.

Apple doesn't actually allow fake apps, they verify all apps before its allowed on AppStore. Guess it's one of the benefits of a closed system.

If you prefer Android, then the Xperia E4 at £29.99 upgrade (VM only) seems to be a stand out - 5" display (qHD) and punchier sound than my Z1 (got the E4 as a backup, although it's KitKat, the Sony config is very similar)

NB. not the 4G model though

Can this be unlocked?

This has Windows Mobile 10 on it, if it's as bad as the desktop OS then it'll probably have you reversing off a cliff.

Reverse
Yes keep reversing
Yes it's safe
Keep reversing
* car falls over cliff *
Yes keep reversing
You have arrived at your destination
The sea.

So I've got a Vodafone contract. I can just buy the pay as you go upgrade yes?

You speak as though here maps is the only navigation app available

My recommendation when getting one of these magnetic holders is to get a silicon gel case (like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Connect-Zone%C2%AE-Microsoft-Silicone-Polishing/dp/B01A9JAELQ or similar) and stick the other half of the magnet onto the case. Saves having a magnet permanently stuck to your phone and you have a nice dedicated phone holder for the car.

Here Maps is been discontinued on Nokia Lumia Windows Phones from June 2016, after June 2016 you won't be able to run Here Maps on a Windows 10 Mobile, it will work on a phone with Windows Phone 8 after this date, but is no longer been developed, or availabe from the App Store.

It will be discontinued from both App Stores on 29th March 2016, so update/install beforehand, to keep using that version.
(Nokia sold Here maps to a German Car Consortium)

Its the end of the line for Windows Mobile, has been for more than 6 months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7KYmGnj40

(When are Microsoft going to sack their head of Marketing?)

bought this for same price few months ago (25 minus 5 quidco)

rubbish as daily driver, but decent secondary no frills phone/satnav.

MS screwed up this phone, the SoC is really a let down.

I like windows phones but will probably skip this gen, the 950xl which could have been a game changer but is at least £100 overpriced. Maybe when mobile and desktop versions have merged 100% and able to connect your phone to a monitor and run desktop apps over multiple screens i might return.

anyone got a spare upgrade code please ? pm me ideal phone for the mother

Why would one go for MS/Lumia at this time or ever?

Can you send me some money? Would really appreciate :-)

Anyone has a upgrade code I could use please ? please pm, thanks :smiley:

I'm looking forward to Nokia's return as an Android phone maker :wink:

Microsoft are pretty woeful, how much longer a wait will it be before Windows 10 hits existing phones outside of beta previews.

nice OS, I have a windows 10 phone and it's good for second phone use.

It has the main apps and other apps like movies apps which I were surprised by it!

but not sure if it's just me but this handset does get abit slow and frustrating at times (only on this model)

but for the price and for these who want to try out windows 10 phone, it's a good use

Haha - so much misinformation there!
Nokia haven't been in the smartphone game for more than a year. Microsoft are not pulling out of the smartphone space either...and these are Microsoft branded phones that are part of their current lineup (550/650/950/950XL)

Anyone got a virgin sim spare ? upgrade cod e?

waste of time.

These aren't even Nokia phones, so I'd throw doubt on everything else you were told.

Personally I like windows phone, but I don't need to install loads of apps or care about the latest edge to edge screen, my phone is for phone calls and perhaps email, that's pretty much taken care of by all the manufacturers, at least with Windows phone, the architecture prevents apps from doing much outside of what they're allowed.

mike

​I know. our company bought a bunch of them and then went to get more and we're informed that MS are pulling out of mobile OS and so Nokia are ditching these phones

Sick to death of Microsoft, when are they going to get Windows 10 out for existing phones.

has anyone bought this instore and who is on o2 and got it for £19.99 ?

phone is going obsolete so this is them pushing out old stock. wait another few weeks it'll be cheaper if still available

Anyone downloading a fake app, take some responsibility yourself.

No, here maps is brilliant :disappointed:

Query it...

I think the rules have changed to being just a 6 month period between upgrades, although the rules vary across different providers.

Wow that REALLY sucks! I hadn't heard about that.

i have virgin sim card in regular use over 6 months old topped up once but can not get this phone.

Surprisingly nice phone. Build quality is excellent, camera works well, & the interface is v.fluid (assuming it is updated to a more current build of W10Mobile)

Well worth the money.

​nah, I've only ever put £10 on my virgin payg and was able to upgrade about a year later

Crazyface
I'm afraid you are about to be disappointed, in April Virgin are stopping "Smartcall", the free Virgin to Virgin call setup.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/15/11234462/here-maps-support-windows-phone-windows-10

Not for long :disappointed:

​Here app will be discontinued come June.

less and less wp app support..

have seen better deals at the price

So you think no one complains about all the malware on Google Play? I'm sure you know it has more than iOS and Windows put together... The fact Google does nothing about it makes them a joke too, right?

It's a shame some developers are rogues, but that's just the way things are these days. One or two will always slip through the net and a developer more than anyone would know how to do it. Almost any app with a web interface can change its content once it's been approved. It's down to the user to be vigilant.

I am sure all major app stores have the same policy with regards to what is submitted for use on the relevant store, but they get through. That's what the reporting tools and review systems are for!

​I was curious on your question also. They have time to reply to be rude but not enough time to give the answer to the original question.... -_-

It's Microsoft's store. It operates under Microsoft's policies which state "Don’t mislead our joint customers about what your app can do, who is offering it, etc.", and yet somehow it is the fault of the user if Microsoft doesn't apply it's own policies in its own store?

The Windows Store is a joke, not just for the lack of applications, the dreadful interface and the proliferation of junk, but because this has been evident and complained about for a long time and Microsoft has done nothing to fix it. They don't even deserve the margin-of-error marketshare they have now.

Even though the app store has it's issues there are a few apps that are worth getting like 6tag, metrotube and whatsapp. So if you only use those then it's perfectly fine for the price

Some apps like facebook, ebay, viber have proper issues that have never been fix and continue to cause very big problems for those that rely on them

Victim blaming suggests that those foolish enough to download nefarious apps should take no responsibility for doing so? I agree the app store owners should shoulder a portion of the blame, but so should users! Fake apps are very easy to identify, as JoeSpur has already eluded to, most, if not all the main apps that most people use, in the case of his example social networking, they all create their own apps, under their own development centres. Facebook is made by Facebook inc, Twitter is made by Twitter Inc, Snapchat is made by Snapchat Inc. The latter is the perfect example of using third party supplied applications. Snapchat isn't present on the Windows Mobile Store, there were a number of third party options, but a breach in their security was traced back to a particular third party app which lost all the personal information of people that used the app. It no longer exists for that reason! There are also quick and easy ways of finding out if an app is endorsed or not. Outsourcing app development is not uncommon, but their own websites will link to the relevant app store page for what you need. Banking is an example of that, my bank provides an app on the google play store that is developed elsewhere, but I got the link from my bank, I know it is good!

It is too easy to blame everyone else when ultimately, all the information is there for you make the right choice! If in doubt, ask!

Is it likely the Lumia 640 will see a similar price drop soon of £20~? It is the one I am holding out for :smiley:

Victim blaming is one of the worst things in our society at present.

Are all handsets unlocked from cpw? Or was that just a rumour?

I have had a few Windows Phones and I can defo say the build quality is very very good for the money. I have a cheap 635 Work gave me which fealls really sturdy and solid. I have a Lumia 640XL of my own which is as good as an iPhone 6+ in terms of build quality (is a twin Sim Also and can hold a 128GB Memory Card). Further back I had a Lumia 1520 which really exceeded even the best Apple iPhone in build Quality.

Certainly the phones that have pssed through my hands have been exceptional well built for the price bracket.

Agreed! Also in the same category as those who complain about Microsoft spying on them when they use a MacBook, Siri, iPhone, Google, Facebook etc that spy on them even more LOL :laughing:

It's their own fault because the real Facebook doesn't list their app under the developer name of "CountFilth" (example, don't take that literally). The signs are ALWAYS there! It's very VERY rare for the app to have official everything and not be official, maybe it happens but I've never seen it.

I got this phone on the week of its release when Win10M had problems and when stupid 3 detected their universal platform as tethering and wouldn't allow it to work properly. A dozen calls to 3 gave me a discount due to not being able to use my data (shoddy service), so I ended up selling the handset, but I have tried it since and it's fine for the light user amongst us. People comparing a £20 phone to iPhone 6s and Galaxy S7 really need to get their heads tested. I have experience with £20 androids and believe me when I say it's not pleasant!

So how can you tell a fake app that uses the real name, the real logo, the real text? Wow, people only have themselves to blame and the store provider has no responsibilities. That'd be like Ernest Jones selling aliexpress watches and everyone blaming the customer for not being able to tell a real Tissot from a fake one.
I suspect Microsoft allows this because without all these fake apps (of which the real version doesn't exist on their store) it's quite empty.

I tried getting a phone from cfw last year through pag upgrade on virgin and wasn't able to you need a mobile number with virgin to do this.

Couldn't agree more, anyone installing fraudulent or fake apps only have themselves to blame! Windows, iOS or Android, the problems exist across all platforms! I label fools that download these sort of apps alongside the sheep that post those quite obvious fake competition pages on facebook, and then wonder why their account was hacked! Delete, block, goodbye!

Any numpty can tell the real app from a fake/clone just by looking at its page. FYI this is on all app stores not just the Windows one, the only difference is sometimes the real one isn't there. I actually find what you describe to be more common on Google Play.

£5 magnetic car holder works a treat for me.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mudder-Universal-Magnetic-Holder-Samsung/dp/B00TDJFMUC

On TCB it says "Please note, cashback will not be paid out on a handset purchase. Only new contracts and upgrades" But it does say "Pay As You Go (New & Upgrade) Sales £5.25"

So do you get £5.25 or not?*

How does a pay as you go upgrade work?

still need car attachement holder though

could have the garmin satnav that bloke posted for same price

if it wasn't the only one in the country that is :wink:

Nice phone for a spare ! Looking for a spare SIM serial too . Thanks !

Damn just bought a 535 off fleabay. Virgin's great. Free calls to each others phones

Yes I do thanks. Was just checking to see if i could get this deal. No need to be rude.

Great deal for a budget phone for my mum :smile: Anyone has a spare SIM serial that is not planing to use? :smiley:

checking the website but which one is the best to get?
Thanks mate!
Your text here

How on earth do u upgrade a payg

Hot Deal :sunglasses: