You're an absolute idiot and you're the type of person that shops eat up for breakfast. You're buying high priced HDMI cables that cost them a few quid to make and paying them for using different metals and marketing techniques. I've personally compared HDMI cables from £1 up to around £200 and there's literally not a single bit of difference.

Most people just want to stream or watch movies on their TV's regardless if it's 100% cinema blu-ray dolby atmos 3D lazer shark quality or just decent quality. People aren't being cheap, they're just not paying out £30+ for a silly HDMI cable which may give 1-2% better quality overall or wanting to buy a £99 dedicated card because it may give slightly better results.

The advice given above is correct, use a iGPU in a HTPC because you'll get great quality and a dedicated card is overkill for 1080p, obviously for 4K it will be different but I would guess anybody who is in to 4K would know exactly what hardware they would need and wouldn't need a lecture from a guy who spends his entire months dole on an HDMI cable.

Stop spouting your garbage in here. Good price. HEAT!

Probably better just using the iGPU of a budget Intel CPU. Skylake supports H.265 hardware decoding, this doesn't. It's GCN 1.0, quite old.

Basically a maxed out HD 7850 card, meets the min. requirement for games like Star Wars Battlefront, overkill for a HTPC :smile:

Great card for a Kodi HTPC!

Basically a maxed out HD 7850 card, meets the min. requirement for games like Star Wars Battlefront, overkill for a HTPC :smile:

Anyone suggest a better card for this price? I was looking at a GTX 750 Ti, but this one is clearly faster.

It's black and silver, it's either an intel or an AMD I think?? games, candy crush etc my mate dave reckons you need a good card to get really high scores.

Alright then :smiley: Good luck.

Can anyone please give me some advice on what parts I need to build a home office mini itx system, it's needs to be really quick start up. Need for building basic websites, surfing Internet.. Very light gaming.. If anyone could suggest what motherboard, CPU, case, ram would be suitable for a budget of around £600.. I've just bought the 23" monitor that was on here earlier. Thanks

What's the difference between your hdmi leads and say one from the pound shop?

You're an absolute idiot and you're the type of person that shops eat up for breakfast. You're buying high priced HDMI cables that cost them a few quid to make and paying them for using different metals and marketing techniques. I've personally compared HDMI cables from £1 up to around £200 and there's literally not a single bit of difference.

Most people just want to stream or watch movies on their TV's regardless if it's 100% cinema blu-ray dolby atmos 3D lazer shark quality or just decent quality. People aren't being cheap, they're just not paying out £30+ for a silly HDMI cable which may give 1-2% better quality overall or wanting to buy a £99 dedicated card because it may give slightly better results.

The advice given above is correct, use a iGPU in a HTPC because you'll get great quality and a dedicated card is overkill for 1080p, obviously for 4K it will be different but I would guess anybody who is in to 4K would know exactly what hardware they would need and wouldn't need a lecture from a guy who spends his entire months dole on an HDMI cable.

Stop spouting your garbage in here. Good price. HEAT!

The same difference between somebody who buys 32gb ram for his gaming machine and somebody who buys 16gb ram for his gaming machine, 0.1% difference which you won't see in the real world and a hefty price tag on it that you didn't need to spend!

lol the trolls

If you took the money you've wasted on mains filters, fancy HDMI cables and over the top IT kit and bought a Netflix subscription you could just stream all the films in 1080p direct - and not mess about upscaling DVDs in the first place!

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Netflix is compressed, looks half add good as a proper bluray. But agree you don't need all that

Nerd Fight :smile:

Just buy an R9 290 on ebay for 170 (MSI new) or 170 (Sapphire Tri-X used)
There are so many on sale

True - but it's still better than upscaled DVDs (and asking the guy to re-buy all his DVDs wouldn't necessarily be possible for the money we're talking - Netflix goes most of the way to solve that though).

You can use RasPi for £25 to do that job you know?

It's not a nerd fight at all, as only one of them is qualified to be called a nerd. I'm using nerd as a compliment here.

This card simply isn't worth purchasing.

It's the old GCN, 1.0, it's fairly power hungry, and it's outperformed by the 750ti when coupled with an i3 or lower CPU.

No one in their right mind would buy this with an i5 or higher CPU. And if you have a use case, let me know so I can update my brain.

It's ok man I was fishing, I am running kit similar to this guy tbh but with cheap hdmi,s at long distances. Speckling can occur when data is lost during digital transfer but is easily noticeable and you can return the cable as should be fit for purpose. In terms of using madvr I find the manual encoding options on kodi to be more than sufficient if you need it. Finally power filtering is only really needed if your house wiring is so old it could be a danger or you live next door to a huge factory causing issues. Not a normal issue and my ears/eyes probably can't tell lol.

I would retest on better equipment or check your eyes.

lol :laughing: it surprises me how many people are so ignorant to this keep steaming your poor quality on your poor setup, I don't care I know what I get, I know the quality difference and to be honest and selfish I've got mine I don't care about you, do what you want lol streaming.

All the benchmarks I can see have this as a fair bit faster than the 750 ti?

You keep upscaling those DVDs then if it makes you feel all superior. Even the fanciest of hardware can't polish a turd.

I'm not saying that upscaling properly or post processing doesn't have its place - but trying to make SD material look good on a big screen is a waste of time and money when there are much better sources available as a starting point. Netflix isn't ideal, but I could only assume you didn't want to re-buy your DVD collection on 4k BluRay if you still used the DVDs.

Finally, whichever way you look at it, mains filters and expensive HDMI cables are a waste of money. The filters do nothing (most don't even have the components inside required to make any appreciable difference to the mains supply), and an HDMI cable will either work and work as perfectly as any other, or it won't work. And spending more on them does nothing other than make your wallet lighter.

ye you should stick to playing games you clearly have no idea how anything else works, yes some Netflix stuff is better than dvd but given not all dvd's are on Netflix and that I don't own any of that content, I stay well clear.
I am a musician I care about detail & quality, the quality of my guitar & amp, my recording and stage quality, my music quality my video & audio quality for movies, tv shows and youtube.

I don't take shortcuts or put up with poor streams or hand over my rights to the likes of Netflix for ease or for cheapness I support the physical format quite simply because its the best quality by a long shot.
When I was younger I worked with an electrician (wiring homes, sheds studios etc.) for 3 & a half yrs, then with my uncle for over 2 yrs who was an electrical engineer (fixed TV's, vhs, and the first dvd players and large back plasma TV's & early pc's) now even back then we knew about this stuff (electrical interference etc. and how it related to the quality of the audio and image) and now with the internet in full swing many years later everybody is to busy playing video games to do a little research, it's not like you have to go into a library anymore.

Madvr takes a lot of work and is free so if it doesn't work why are so many working on it for free and why are 100's of 1000's of users using it and swearing by it?
Why? because it takes any content you have be it 720p, 1080p, 4k, dvd, old home movies of your mum, dad, kids, grand kids, and it makes it look better, yes there's a cost you need to buy a goodish gpu for high settings, but again there are many different settings, even on lower settings it looks better than a Blu-ray player upscale.
The ps4 is a good area to be in it has good gpu power and can scale pretty well although you have no real control of the settings.

Yes using a dedicated gpu in your htpc has electricity cost and then there's the cost of buying it, yet people do so because it is a very clear improvement, if you saw my picture/audio quality you'd change your mind in a second, every family member, friend, woman, or other musicians that passes through my home asks about my tv like it's the tv doing all the work and I have to explain to them the setup and how it works and trying to tell somebody that there TV's and in-fact most 1080p TV's are capable of so much more, more than the owners will ever see is not easy.
To my surprise some have even done what I suggested and have been very happy for it even at the extra cost, in-fact I'm still in touch with these people and they have become quite knowledgeable themselves, informing me of there upgrades & improvements, and asking questions.

I have friends of family that I don't even know phoning me to ask my opinion on the tv to buy, why because I know my s*** because I did the research and I did the work when I was younger, I continue to educate myself through the internet, and keep upto date on the new tech, I continue to work on my music and buy the things I like based on quality.
Your only here once make of it what you will but I see no point in spending £1000's on a tv then a further £700 on a receiver (or buy the cheaper inferior soundbar) then the cost of speakers and a Blu-ray player/htpc/ps4 then after all that cost cheaping out on the inferior Netflix, what a waste, esp since streaming is short lived, don't get me wrong it will keep the lower quality content but as for proper future quality release, well were done, capped out, nothing left as not even the large part of the U.s. can stream decent 4k content and us here in the U.k. are limited to a max 74Mbps on fibre or lol :smirk: rather vdsl which regardless of marketing is not true point to point fibre.

Now those speeds are only if your close to an exchange, there are no plans to extend this at the moment and 4k will easily saturate 90% of the U.k customers internet bandwidth, not to metoin how many users are in the home using the line, good luck getting 4k content on the average 40mbps vdsl line with your wife & kids using some of the bandwidth, also the extending the fibre lines out that bt are still doing works by doing a one mile radius around the exchange, every exchange, one mile no more and they will be working on that for years at the cost of millions and to further extend that one mile by say another mile in even a fast 5 yrs will cost 5 times more time manpower and money, and do you think they will do it?
No not in 5yrs not in 10yrs in-fact the only reason they done this one mile extension was government mandate at huge cost, but hey what do I know right.

I could go on all day since most seem very unaware of the facts or have bought into the marketing hype that is Netflix superhd (lol that's funny superhd) you spend your money for those marketing terms and you put up with the quality you are given instead of pushing for better, you give away your rights to own media because it saves shelf space even at the cost of quality, you allow netfix etc. to dictate what you watch, they then decide when its removed, and you rely on an isp to provide a constant fast service.
But should your isp fail or your phone line drop or have weather issues or some tool with a knife cuts your line, then you have nothing, no movies, no music, no family photos, home movies, and for what?

4k discs are now being released in the U.s. on the 1st of march titled as ultra hd 4k, with 4k machines rolling out.
Most of the u.k will not see the benefit of 4k because we're limited by bandwidth over the net and because most people have no idea what quality is, which is why so many were on and still are on dvd, it also explains the success of Netflix, we should be progressing but instead were getting lazy and cheap and just putting up with what were given, as a result were moving backwards.

ye I get it no changing discs, more shelf space, storage in the cloud lol like that's actually a cloud and not just another hard drive somewhere, I get it I do but at what cost?

At least with the physical format everyone in the u.k. is treated equal and can all watch good quality where as now it's all about where you live, how close to the exchange will determine how good you media experience will be, now that's just sad and not the way forward imo.

But i'll leave it there, what others do is there own business but there's other uses for a gpu rather that just playing games.
Which is what my original post was all about, I gave an opinion and tried to help others by giving my experiences and things I know to be true, but were in a world now were people just type whatever they believe to be true instead of just looking into it and finding the facts, they take everything as a challenge and heaven forbid you should know something they don't or that you have an opinion that contradicts there's.
Anyway those interested should try it out and enjoy the rewards, those that believe I'm wrong so much that they won't even try it or look into it are closed minded and I can't help you and I don't think anyone else can either.

Those who can't see a difference need to start with a good tv no less than 50inch, even 1080p is capable of more than you know, interference from electrical devices or unshielded power lines will smooth out a picture scrub detail away, some actually like this effect but to me it looks a little waxy, go from there. study up :wink:

I don't see how this is a good deal at all. in fact for this kind of money you can get a lower end, R9.

Congratulations on publishing your book.

Thank you for making my point yet another pointless comment that not only lacks whit but also intelligence.
my comments are made to help and support people it's not a popularity contest it's about being honest and giving advice if they choose to disregard it then that's ok, but maybe it will help somebody.

May I ask how your recent comments help others? or is it just that you like seeing your words in print and hope others will add a "like" and revel in your whit?

May I make a suggestion? maybe you could be doing other more important things hmmm what do you think?

I'm tempted to say TL:DR but I'm afraid. So I won't :confused:

it's cool :smirk: and honest, np

Haha thanks. Deffo gonna read it later :smiley:

So anyway has anyone asked if this can play Kodi yet?

Most people will buy this gfx card to play games on. Is there a card for less than £100 that will give you a higher FPS that this?

I've been unable to find one.

OOS

@revolver31 - Apart from "the life story", how much did you pay for your HDMI cables?

I am unable to send me PMs yet as I'm a new member, if you could PM me I would be very grateful. Thanks

That's using an i7 maxed out kit.

Look for reviews with an i3 or lower.

My point is: If you are building an i5 or higher rig, you won't skimp on a £99 graphics card when your CPU is 180-250. It makes no sense to do so.

If you have an i3 or lower, the 750ti pulls ahead, is cheaper, and costs less to power.

If you can up your budget even 25 quid, you can start looking at the real value buys in GFX, the 960 and the 380. Again, there is an identical issue with low end CPUs and power consumption.