£190 squid for a tablet that'll be slow in about a year after having had its update to kill features in ios xx. This should be around the £120 range. Cold from me... And it's 16gb. Definitely over priced.

​Is it even legal to buy daughters? :confused:

I have an iPad 2 that isn't slow, hasn't been forgotten and hasn't had anything removed in any subsequent updates over the years.... Every time an apple product is posted all the morons come out to convince others why they don't need them without having one single idea of anybody's requirements.

I would rather buy from a reputable seller like Argos and pay slightly more.

The thing is, there may be reasons why one may not think the new iPad Mini is worth it before even trying it out. You don't need to use an iPad to know about the limitations on connectivity, syncing, customisation, amongst other things. Why else is jailbreaking so popular? And these might be some of the most important things some people look for. Perhaps a more open operating system is the most crucial factor for someone.
Sure, testing out the kit is great to see the hardware in action. But for some people, I don't think that is necessary to judge the value for money if they have prior experience with using iPads and are familiar with the workings of iOS.
It's great that you like the iPad and you ended up buying 3. Not everyone would. Not everyone would spend £1k on 3 tablets, especially when there are similar performing tablets on this highly competitive market for less than 2/3rds of the price. Guess it's horses for courses.
I've got an iPad and I've used it for years. I thought it was fantastic when I first got it. There weren't many good competitors back then. I upgraded to a new Galaxy Tab S as the iPad was too old and slow. I actually tried out the new iPad Mini 4 recently and yes it's performance was superb. But, I still don't think it's worth it because I have a tablet that works better for me that cost less.

Expired now, no longer £189.

Museum spec. I got my dad a Tab S 8.4 (4G sim) for 170 quid off Amazon Warehouse Italy (with the extra 30% off deal) a couple of weeks ago - came broken seal on the box but totally as new - 2 year euro samsung warranty. Next to this it's like finding Arnie's severed arm and head-chip in Terminator 2.

To pay 190 smackers in 2016 for this fossil's spec list and see it voted hot to over 1000 degrees - half the UK must be lobotomised.

what can 16gb non expandable storage do?

She's probably spent the last two years trying to work out where you put the water in to make a cup of tea with it.

If any tablet is that slow it struggles to load a native app then It clearly had a software issue and needs a factory reset or a clean install. I'm really into my gadgets so I'll buy a pointless upgrade like the next guy but the iPad is one I have never felt the need to and it's a daily use thing for me.

Jail broken 7.1.2 - 7 was a good upgrade for me.

just purchased. got same day delivery for free as well. crazy!

£190 squid for a tablet that'll be slow in about a year after having had its update to kill features in ios xx. This should be around the £120 range. Cold from me... And it's 16gb. Definitely over priced.

I think you misunderstand, by 'responding in kind', what I was saying was that you were throwing insults at me, so i did the same back. I don't know what you think I meant. Regardless, like I say, I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you on the price point, but you would surely have to use one to decide whether it justifies the price tag. You only discovered the device existed 5 minutes before posting. As someone has already said, the value for money of a tablet depends on the buyers/users expectations, needs, etc.
I was very against apple, and their products. I thought they were overpriced. I had had several tablets by other manufacturers. Then in oct last year i folded and bought my son an ipad for his birthday. After using it with him, I quickly came to realise that it trounced anything i'd had before for what i wanted. so i got one. and i've now bought the missus one. and i don't for one minute think my money has been wasted. i'm very very happy with my purchases. so you should really try something to see if it works for you before deciding if its 'worth it'. it doesn't surprise me that most of the people slagging off ipads are those that don't own them. the majority of the people who do own them are happy with them.

Despite whether it was intended as an insult or not, I found it quite demeaning. I don't like being rude, but I felt compelled to say what I said after I felt I received a rude comment. "you clearly know nothing about it" - you used some very strong words in that statement. Doesn't matter what your intentions are, you can't control how someone else feels.

And I'm sorry, an assumption is an assumption. I don't even think it was a fair assumption. We live in a connected web and it only takes minutes for someone with no knowledge of a gadget or device to be armed with a wealth of information to make a reasonable judgement as to whether it is worth its retail price.

You said you responded in kind, yet you said "There's a gap in the evolutionary ladder for someone just like you". Need I say more.

the top and bottom of it is,regardless of spec, the end user experience is the best on apple tablets. that's why so many people have them. it's cheap and arrogant to call someone a 'delusional fanboy' because they disagree with your opinion.

Dunno! Haven't bought any squid lately but I will swap some for one of the IPads. Now that would be a hot deal.

it's hardly an insult, it was an assumption based on the fact that you said 'I didn't know there was an ipad 4'. so it was a pretty fair assumption. you then proceeded to be rude to me. so i responded in kind.

i was talking about the foreign trader, which is why i quoted the link. and john lewis wasn't £10 cheaper, so you were obviously talking about the foreign trader too. it's all there in black and white.

you did not get the john lewis was a far better buy then as they make more profit, better warranty and still got less heat, but people as you says.........just dont get that :smiley:
Obviously

have first prize for completely missing the point. i mentioned ebay, as this is where i got the information about the company shipping from abroad, not paying taxes, and generally not being as reputable as argos. any issue would mean sending the product back to hong kong. the cheapest price isn't always the best deal. people just don't seem to get that.

Is that the price per lb for squid these days

Curry's/ PC world doing it at this price.

Along with John Lewis with their 2 year guarantee. Seems quite a few doing it at this price.

And Argos also trade on ebay??......so you all have to pay £10 more yet this was the hottest boxing day deal LOL

So what would you recommend tablet wise?

Same price at John Lewis with 2 year guarantee.

It's an opinion. Being a user of iPads and iPhones and MacBooks (which I have one at the moment, best laptop I've ever had, but no iPhone or ipad) having an opinion does not make me a moron, as you're insinuating.

I do however feel passionate about value for money, and merely point out that I believe this isn't value for money. At a lower price, yes, but the current one, no.

I am not rubbishing apple products, but I am saying they are over priced for what you get.

Ha ha. Its a sea creature. Bleddy hell the arguments on here over a tablet. Lol

Boring,Yawn. Lol

I am not stopping you or anyone buying it...just agreeing that for a two year old tablet against the competition it is overpriced at £189, you are well within your rights to be a delusional fanboy.

I always take into account the value of iOS. I refuse to use it.

I would wager that if you were to look up anandtech's review and see their benchmarks, the iPad mini 2 would be at least on par if not better.
Apple are in a unique position of optimising their software for their hardware, samsung's hamstrung by having to rely on Google, their skins are always atrocious too.

Skype is free and multiplatform...

​you do not seem to have taken into account the value of the ios. if it were as simple as getting the tablet with the best hardware specs then yes i would agree with you. however my nephew and neice who live abroad have every apple product you could think of and only want to use facetime!!!

May I ask what was the price of the iPad mini 2 32GB (with 3 years guarantee) at John Lewis before 24th December? Do you know what was the price of the 16GB one? Many thanks!

This model is not worth more than £125.

Just my personal opinion , ipads are very slick and reliable but having tried most tablets I have settled with and am very pleased with a 10" Lenovo yoga tablet , brilliant battery life, very functional built in stand , very reliable and takes micro SD cards so no struggling for space.
I found 16 GB storage very limiting , with lots of apps you would struggle to manage more than a couple of hours of video.

same price at John Lewis .. and you get a 2 year guarantee with them.

I had an original 2012 Nexus 7 which I sold (eBay) last year for £70+ to buy a Lenovo Yoga 2 10.1 tablet which I didn't get on with and sent it back.

Went into currys in town and had a play with all the different tablets. I wanted a larger screen than the 7.

Previously I've always used Android. Yet I've come out with an iPad Air 2 which I love. Suits me completely. And I still love to use an Android mobile phone (Xiaomi Note 2). And FWIW, I use Linux Mint O/S on the computer.

Moral in my mind is to have a look at a few tablets in person and see what YOU like. Most of the discussion on this site is unhelpful due to the strongly biased brand opinions that people hold.

You're the one who's going to be using it. At least unless you're planning to pass it around the HUKD forums :man:

I gave my 70 year old genteel step mother my iPad 2 a couple of years ago, she has recently said she feels like smashing it up as it is unbearable for email and internet (so slow).
I don't mind too much, I really gave it to her so my dad could watch Sky Sports TV on it, which is okay (bit slow to start, but fine to watch the footy on).

That should have been fixed with the rather very old firmware update...mine certainly runs warm if running at maximum performance, and unless gaming (rarely) I happily leave it on balanced in power management and it runs much cooler...wife finds the same with hers...Mainly use it for casual browsing, video viewing and magazine reading....reasons we found for wanting a 2K+ screen, so suits needs until the none upgradable OS starts to become a problem with app updates.

Taken from [engadget]
The Tab S2 is running a TouchWiz-skinned version of Android 5.1 Lollipop. As I mentioned in my Galaxy S6 Edge+ review, Samsung has come a long way from its days of cramming Android full of tons of useless apps and half-baked features. There are still plenty of Samsung apps available, like S Translator and the chat app AllTogether, but you'll have to choose to install them from the Galaxy Apps store. That's a better option than having your phone stuffed with junky software. And the few preinstalled apps on the Tab S2 are pretty useful, especially Microsoft options like Word, OneDrive and Skype.

Having control of hardware and software with iOS? :neutral_face: That would be an Apple first.

great to see even Xmas will not stop people who have never met arguing over tablets/laptops/pcs

Who insulted first? Quote - "you clearly know nothing about it". I find that quite insulting. What do you know about my knowledge of iPad Mini 4? You made an assumption based on a single statement. So who's the real evolutionary ladder gap?

So you want me to give info about the specs of the iPad Mini 4? Well it has a dual-core 1.5GHz processor and 2GB RAM. It comes in 16GB/64GB/128GB models with no expandable storage. Build quality is excellent, as of all iPads. The screen is a 7.9" LED-backlit display with a pixel density of 326 pixels per inch. It is comparable to the cheaper Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 8.0 which has an octa-core processor, a quad-core at 1.9GHz and a quad-core at 1.3GHz. It contains 3GB of RAM. Storage is 32GB/64GB with up to 128GB additional microSD storage. It has a 8.0" super AMOLED display with 320 pixels per inch.

Anyone can Google that information. But the point is, I think I know what I am talking about.

Which one is a better tablet? That is all down to the user, which includes what their expectations are, what they want to use the tablet for, what they are familiar using, other devices they have in the house, amongst many more.

got mine for free in a competition, best christmas present ever

iPads for whites. Samsungs for all.

After synchronizing for like 20 mins lol

Android is head and shoulders ahead for film playback.

Lol

Phones and Tablets have long since plateaued imo. Ive got an iPad mini 4 and my brothers got the iPad mini 2. Other than 1 or 2 relatively small differences i.e. the touch id I still think the 2 is a very decent device, more than enough. The 4 does not magically do everything better, infact it would take me some time to even realise I was on his.
Phone wise I've got a 5c, its old now but still rings, texts, opens emails and most importantly the tom-tom app runs nicely.

Still makes me laugh how many people are obsessed over specs. I really don't see what you would ever be doing on a tablet that would ever push it anywhere near max?.

99.9% of people buying tablets don't give 2 monkeys about specs, they want it for email, internet, Facebook, twitter then maybe a few more personalised apps and games.

Buy what you like, look after it then if you don't like it take it back or resell it.

To a degree but its always fixed quick. Ive got a 2 year old 5c and it really lost the plot on the update a few months back but they did another soon after which fixed it. The conspiracy theories always flood out when a new operating system comes out but honestly I've never known it not get fixed soon after.

Samsung tablets are notorious for having a ton of bloatware and for not being all that efficient. I would bet that the iPad mini 2 performs better than it, even with much inferior specs. That's the advantage of having control of both the hardware and software.

Out of interest what ios are you running on your ipad2. Mine is slow much slower than it used to be. I have resisted updating iOS and am on ios 6. Wondered whether an upgrade would help or make it worse

Does anyone know what the deal is with Argos and their trade in old tablets, phones is please? My daughter got a kindle fire yesterday, but it can't get all the apps she wants so I may be looking at getting her an iPad to join the rest of us Apple users in the house.

This is a great little device, but having just bought my kids the Nvidia Shield K1 which is not on sale at the moment btw at £150. It has way more in the graphics department, expandable internal storage thanks to Android Marshmallow. Plus using Geforce Now playing PC games through your tablet is unreal. This is truly a fantastic piece of kit. Only issue is it doesn't come with a charger or cover. I have lots of USB charges dotted around the house so it is not an issue for me.

get sucked into the Apple maelstrom never to leave or have freedom of choice again, Steve Jobs has a lot to answer for.

I asked a simple question. You provided plenty of insults, but nothing to make me think that you know what you're talking about. you've mentioned nothing about the screen, processor, storage, build quality, absolutely nothing. No real comparisons to other tablets. Just insults. Well done you. There's a gap in the evolutionary ladder for someone just like you.

Aaah, where would an HUKD Apple thread be without some petty name calling. Good stuff.

Oh, and sarcasm, you can never have enough of that.

Good tablet and all but I think the price should have fallen further by now.

Are you uneducated or something? Did you go to school? I don't think you did. I found out that it existed, I did some research on it, and i came to the conclusion it is overpriced for what it is. Even if i haven't used one, if i did and it worked flawlessly and was perfect to use, it still wouldn't be worth £400. Just look at the competition e.g. Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 8.0.

I am sure the latest iPads are amazing tablets and work exceedingly well, but you do pay for the brand.

Now, please go back to school.

Apple could easily develop a treamlined iOS with admittedly less compatibility for future but more speedy and stable... but choose not to... so you have to update hardware of old tablets and phones

I'm sure most owners of older iphones and ipads would gladly accept less compatibilty with latest apps as long as all the older apps worked fine and the operating system remained speedy and stable.

the last (final) updates available for older generation devices always make the device barely usable forcing people to buy new and preventing any option to downgrade firmware/os

Poundland have some good cases in for these.

Those considering to buy this, if its for kids (they most likely will download half of all the games in the appstore), the 16gb does fill up pretty quickly.

She'd opened it by the time I'd saw the post. She happy so I'm happy. So is life lol

After downloading a film to watch it will have run out of memory. Where is the Micro SD slot?

Just after I've paid £220 for my daughters grrr

argos is much more reputable. the trader you linked to is also on ebay, shipping from china, so a uk charger will need to be bought, judging by some of their ebay reviews they seem to be dodging import charges, returns would be a nightmare. maybe the hukd community feel the better value is to pay £10 more for peace of mind.

I'm very surprised this is hot.. never mind this hot

I dont get it - This is the best boxing day deal in the whole of the uk?
whats the main difference between this deal and this one ( aprt from the price ) http://www.eglobalcentral.co.uk/apple-ipad-mini-2-16gb-wifi-tablet-retina-display-space-grey.html
as I am genuinely confused by this as that one is £170.99

My excite pro is really slow and overheats. It was bad value for money at £160.

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on the price of the ipad mini 4, but how can you comment on the 'absurd price' of it when you didn't even know it existed. you clearly know nothing about it.

Can get it cheaper on Rakuten most times, plus you get the points to spend

£185.90 via Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B009VK73FA/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A389RPWI04OPJS

Keep in mind no gps just agps in wifi only iPads
Yes you can drag and drop any movie files and they play fine

5 years, good going.
If it was a Nexus the screen will have come away from the body, 5.0 would have bricked it and everyone would have told you to root it.

Apple is expensive but simple for the masses :smiley:
(typed on my iPhone 6, only because the wife is shopping, I'm sheltering in the car and my iPad is in the house.)

And I didn't even know there was an iPad Mini 4. Well in that case, the Mini 2 really is worth about £120!

Looks like the iPad Mini 4 64GB is £400. Now that is absurd.

SANTA brought an ipad for my son and he loves it

​android will have vlc too, plus many other apps that are just as good

I didn't know you could get VLC on ipads?

could you do the same with android tablets?

iPad Mini 2 will be fine for you. You can use VLC to play films.

You can find it on ebay £10-£20 cheaper. Brand new.

Ok then,I am not particularly clued up on these gadgets and I nearly bought one if these for my daughter last week for£220( but I didn't as I thought I would hold out for the sales) ,so to me this looks like a good deal.However many of you who will know a lot more than me about these things are saying that this is still overpriced and much better tablets are available for less.
My question to you people is what tablet would you recommend I bought for a 10 year old girl for under £200.
Thanks

No. You will have Liam Neeson after you for that ****.

I got my sons iPad 2 from eBay brand new and sealed for 170 delivered last week. The eBay guarantee covers you if there are any problems and paid through PayPal. Also if there is problems you would have to go to apple anyway to get the problem sorted.

My now two year old 10" Toshiba Excite Pro was quite the bargain when I bought it at £160 having a higher than 2K display and a fast Tegra 4 processor....

Two years down the line and its starting to look a bit long in the tooth being bulky and weighty and the worst problem of all (although I knew this when I bought it, but price won overall) it cannot be rooted and it is stuck on Android 4.3...this is a Toshiba security lock down issue rather than the tablet.

Saying that, I am considering another year of use before I consider it outmoded, it still ticks all the boxes, I still find Android 4.3 very much usable.

So personally I do not see your 'cost effective' analogy.

tons and tons of better tablets out there for a lot less. I am only saying. Go and do your own search and figure. if you can't be bothered go ahead and fill apples pocket...again I am only saying...

if people dont care about OS, i suggest 'NVIDIA SHIELD tablet K1 ' much cheaper, expandable storage, better spec and etc

I am referring to the here and now.....

A 2 year old 8" tablet here for £189
The current iPad mini 4 starting at £319
The Samsung S2 8" at £249

I am agreeing with others that the iPad mini 2 is overpriced at £189 and disagreeing with yourself.

Best tablet on the market for £189. Ours is fast, don't let Apple haters put you off

We've heard all about these iPhone/iPad beaters, but I've not seen a palm pre in along time, sales wise like it or not Apple outsell like for like. Ease and simplicity go along way, and laziness.. It's not right but that's how it is, I.m glad the rivals got behind android as its pushing boundaries and Apple will copy and perfect technology's Samsung released years before

The 'tab' range are Samsung budget tablets which remain in that sector. I was not even referring to those, I am talking about the 4:3 form factor S2, the iPad mini 4 beating tablet with Super AMOLED display, expandable storage, lighter, thinner etc etc.

Yep, considering the display beating and weight and form factor beating Samsung S2 8" tablet is curently only £250 as a rival to the iPad Mini 4 which laughably starts at £320 for 16GB, it makes this price for a 2 year old tablet seem even more absurd if you ask me.

I'm not saying its a good price, I got a 64gb one last year at currys £225 ish ordered Xmas eve, that was a good price and hukd rated it highly..
Apple hold heir value I just got an air2 and traded in my £299 (very hukd) iPad3 for £130 at game, that iPad had been used since launch for 5000+ hours so £170 3.4 pence per hour of use, whereas a Samsung tab 2 (possibly 3) android tablet cost me £5 per hour of use, luckily traded it in after 6 months, having used it for 4 hours.. Absolute Rubbish..
Although I believe Samsung latest tablets are getting better

Nobody wants a Samsung tablet hence their weekly cashback deals etc. This is a good price for the top selling tablet

These get heat every time they go sub £200 yet I bought my son one last Christmas (bought oct 2014) for the same pricesish of £189.99 but got rakutan points so actually slightly cheaper. I'm not gonna vita as price is best around and that's what this site is about but surely this will drop £150 anytime soon.

Just to confirm the iPad Mini 2 is not slow and perfectly acceptable for video playback, browsing web, music and running the office apps, this is what I use mine for whilst on the teain each day. My only area of concern would possibly be the 16GB storage but if you do not intend storing lots of video then it will be OK.

By the way I develop iPhone/iPad apps and have access to nearly all the apple hardware but I own the Mini 2 (couldn't justify the extra cost of the mini 3) iPhone 6s & iWatch. They ALL just work and unlike other hardware platforms no patching or security risks.

Said balls to it and ordered one. Its gotta to be better than my Playbook which I will shortly be reversing my car over.

Managed to get one :smiley:

Android sheep mustn't understand simple economic theories like supply and demand, if these were worth only £125 then no one would buy them at £200+
Clearly Apple sheep (aka consumers) are still buying them

Cold not worth more than precisely 125 bones.

Simple, take new unopened one back with the old receipt - job done.

why dont apple just have a sd slot as well? im sure that would sway millions including me!

Looking for 32gb version.

Someone mentioned refurbished. Doesn't say that in the description, and I cannot get the link to work.

Will tesco price match?

I have a mini 4 dont bother its not that much better !

16gb way to small..

Sell before you have to update. Apple do tend to drop products after 3-4 years which is a shame when the device could still be useful.

I got one from the below (paid £160 at the time), yes it's a foreign model but that's only a plug change for a couple of quid on eBay (but you'll have one for when you're abroad). For those concerned about taxes, import processes are covered by the company according to their Ts and Cs so you should have no issues and this has been backed up by many customers on HUKD.

https://www.eglobalcentral.co.uk/#/product/12102

​You can't if it's opened. and isn't that what always happens at Xmas .. prices drop in the sales

I've been using one several hours a day for over 2 years and it still runs well and goes for 10+ hours on one charge. Ace tablet.

Mind you, I think it has turned me into a bit of an Apple fanboy, so best not to pay too much attention to me.

I'm not an Apple fanboy but I have this, which I got from Argos refurbished for £179 months ago; it's not slow and it hasn't given me any problems at all

Decent price for a slick piece of gadget

Lol

All I want a tablet for mainly is messing around on the Internet on the sofa whilst the missus watches her brollocks on the TV, playing music whilst I'm getting up (which the Playbook is decent for btw - great speakers) and maybe the occasional film on train or something. Tried the HUDL but its ability to charge buggered up within a month.

Very true...that's why visits to Thailand, phillipines and the like have been on the rise :-)

​Depends what you want it to do? if you want to watch films on it ie DivX, Avi's etc then stay away from Apple, Android will drag and drop movies and play them natively without conversion add in USB on the go, MicroSD, true 16:9 screen ratio/resolution support then they are leagues ahead of Apple on the movie front.
However if you want simplicity then maybe Apple would suit better?

Well, it's not legal in the UK. For sure.