For around the same price the Nvidia Sheild TV + Controller absolutely trounces this in every conceivable way...

Lol, £119 you can buy an actual TV for that!!!!!!!!! Or you a android phone a Chromecast. Hello, Mcfly!!!!!!!

£119 is a stretch but possible:

CPU: AMD 3850 1.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£24.95 @ Amazon) - Buy here
Motherboard: ASRock AM1B-ITX Mini ITX AM1 Motherboard (£29.56 @ Amazon) -
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£15.20 @ Amazon UK) - Buy here
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£19.00 @ Amazon UK) - Buy here
Case: CiT MTX-005B Mini ITX Tower Case w/300W Power Supply (£27.99 @ Amazon) - Buy here
Total: £116.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Doesn't include a keyboard and mouse - I couldn't find a decent one for cheap enough but you may want to try somewhere like Geekbuying or something.

£159 for the more expensive model is a doddle to beat:

Motherboard / CPU: Gigabyte GA-J1900N-D2H (£44.17 @ eBuyer) - Buy here
Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£15.78 @ Amazon UK) - Buy here
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£35.38 @ Novatech) - Buy here
Case: CiT MTX-005B Mini ITX Tower Case w/300W Power Supply (£27.99 @ Amazon) - Buy here
Keyboard / Mouse: Microsoft All-in-One Media Wireless Keyboard (£26.62 @ Kikatech) - Buy here
Total: £149.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Neither build includes an OS, but you could use any number of free Linux builds. Or buy a Windows key from: https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap

For an an extra £40 you could add a Blu-Ray drive.

Agree, don't really see the benefits

He doesn't he just believes everything he reads Apple don't work like that with the atv

Rude

As do I and I saw that article, but clearly you didn't read it (whereas I did).

New one coming out in April with better specs and 4K support, wait until then.

I'd love to see a conversation about these things that didn't revolve around how easy it is to use for piracy.

I follow Apple products 24/7 and can say there is quite a high chance of it happening actually http://www.macrumors.com/2015/12/04/apple-tv-5-production-early-2016-rumor/

I think you'll be having to side lol Kodi via a Mac with Xcode installed. It will run Plex though

Ok, the killer question is, can this thing run kodi easily? What's a guide to getting kodi on this.

The killer feature of the new ATV is the universal search. For example - search for "toy story" and you get a page for toy story, with visibility of all the streaming services/apps you subscribe to.

People saying other devices are better are missing this important point. It puts the power back into the hands of the user - you can instantly select the cheapest option from a number of services

If I use the search on my Fire TV it only searches Amazon, I have to load up Netflix to search their content, and it doesn't support voice search.

Actually the TV Licence is changing to include those who only use the On Demand features of iPlayer, meaning they will now be subject to the annual TV Licence fee, it looks like the change will be introduced at some point in 2016. Personally I disagree with them including On Demand as this is completely changing the meaning behind the licence fee which was only ever setup to cover live television. It won't be long before they try to include DVD's and Bluray. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/06/bbc-iplayer-catchup-users_n_7737080.html
I also believe that the BBC will use this to force those who use ITV Player, 5OD and All 4 to also be subject to the licence fee as outlined in this article: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/oct/29/bbc-iplayer-loophole-channel-4-tv-licence

Nice

Better off with a Minix box

How do I get kodi for Apple TV 3? :disappointed:

You can install the fork of Kodi MrMC from the App Store.

I'm about to get ATV 4 at wknd and am wondering, can I get all the following - Now TV, Netflix UK, BBCiPlayer, ITV Player, 4OD ?

Buy it then, then buy another next year when 4k is common.

What a Muppet!

If you are an Apple fan boy (says me writing this on an iPad while my 27in iMac transcodes a bunch of movies) then I can see why you might want an Apple TV. However, a Chromecast or even a NowTV box makes much more sense.

Is there any other way to stream (/mirrorcast?) photos/videos from an iPhone or iPad onto your TV other than using this?

Horses for courses. I've got a bit of everything in my house as firstly I like tech and secondly I get stuff for what it's good at. The killer feature of the atv4 will be homekit for controlling my house. Until that my 3 is used daily for now tv, Netflix, audio playback into my ceiling sound setup, and a few other minor uses.

Lol, £119 you can buy an actual TV for that!!!!!!!!! Or you a android phone a Chromecast. Hello, Mcfly!!!!!!!

I can't get nowtv to stream using it
Only appears to allow mirroring of a single webpage you look at via the app

As page states only need TV license if you watch or you record and watch a live broadcast.

Catch up TV services and media download services do not need a TV license.

I know as I have checked.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/telling-us-you-dont-need-a-tv-licence

If your not sure, give them a ring and check. Found them very helpful in providing info. Website is also very clear in stating that only if watching live TV (or you have recorded live TV) you will need a license.

Not to sure what ghost132 means. Might of been more helpful if you had put why a TV license was required in this instance?

Love my ATV4. Worth every penny. Netflix, iPlayer, YouTube, Plex... it's the only source for telly my family uses. Saves me the TV license fee.

ive heard a new one is coming out....thats why there is a price reduction by some retailers same for ipad air 2

Cex seems to be a really good price

Can you do Addons on Kodi

from what ive read kodi support is still beta. think i'll wait until its matured

I got a 64gb one from CEX (grade A condition) for £120+2.50 p&p) and they too give you a 2 year guarantee

I'm definitely an Apple fanboy but can't justify upgrading from the ATV 3 to the 4. Git a firestick and loaded Kodi on it instead, a great little device

If this had some freeview/TV capabilities I would happily upgrade from my AppleTV 3. I know you can airplay/use the on demand apps but thats not the same. Also Amazon need to get an app out asap.

However thats my own view. Looking at the deal side of things its £10 lower so this is an ok deal.

Anyone if the remote for these work
With android foxes

Blah blah blah 4K blah
So what if it doesn't have 4K
A:majority don't have a a 4K tv
B:barely any true 4K content about anyway let alone providers.

google cs empire join then look up iptv shhh!

This is one of the most pointless embarrassingly unfinished products Apple have ever let out of the door. And I pretty much use Apple (or Linux or Android) (well, anything but Microsoft) only.

This pile defies all expectations — in a bad way. If it can’t even sync music, videos, photos through iTunes, why on earth does it have such a huge storage memory?

I was looking forward to the Apple TV massive let down no 4K or ultra high-definition

What app do you use?

ATV 4 with a US iTunes account and a US cable account is immense. Beats fire TV all day long. With a standard UK account it's a bit poo.

Picked up one of these brand new from CeX for £80 - brilliant at that price, wouldn't spend any more.

I'm a big Apple fan, but an Amazon Fire TV is a better option - Kodi easily installed!!

My apple tv hasn't been turned on once since I bought an Amazon fire box with kodi.
Atv is overpriced for what it is.

I've been doing this for long enough to know what I'm talking about.

They actually both look really good for the price, well done. Don't really see the need for an OS to be honest with things like openelec around.

This device is early days so there are better and cheaper alternatives (this is coming from someone who owns and loves it). Give a year or two though and things may be very different if it has strong developer support, as that was one of the main things that separated the iPhone from the competition.

The early signs point to that being the case.

Might be less hassle to buy an Acer Revo One from Tesco for £149. It even looks like something Apple might make.

http://www.tesco.com/direct/acer-revo-one-mini-pc-inc-remote-control-intel-celeron-4gb-1tb-white/650-5275.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=650-5275

Now tv as well?

£119 is a stretch but possible:

CPU: AMD 3850 1.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£24.95 @ Amazon) - Buy here
Motherboard: ASRock AM1B-ITX Mini ITX AM1 Motherboard (£29.56 @ Amazon) -
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£15.20 @ Amazon UK) - Buy here
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 250GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£19.00 @ Amazon UK) - Buy here
Case: CiT MTX-005B Mini ITX Tower Case w/300W Power Supply (£27.99 @ Amazon) - Buy here
Total: £116.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Doesn't include a keyboard and mouse - I couldn't find a decent one for cheap enough but you may want to try somewhere like Geekbuying or something.

£159 for the more expensive model is a doddle to beat:

Motherboard / CPU: Gigabyte GA-J1900N-D2H (£44.17 @ eBuyer) - Buy here
Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£15.78 @ Amazon UK) - Buy here
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£35.38 @ Novatech) - Buy here
Case: CiT MTX-005B Mini ITX Tower Case w/300W Power Supply (£27.99 @ Amazon) - Buy here
Keyboard / Mouse: Microsoft All-in-One Media Wireless Keyboard (£26.62 @ Kikatech) - Buy here
Total: £149.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Neither build includes an OS, but you could use any number of free Linux builds. Or buy a Windows key from: https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap

For an an extra £40 you could add a Blu-Ray drive.

Got one for Christmas, really enjoying the app store even though it's only a few months old - Fetch for Put.io is a must! Siri music selection is wicked when having friends over and the screensavers are beautiful.

Can you watch PlayBox HD app through Apple TV?

Have a look at this one here

Voted hot as its a good deal.

Great bit of kit if your household is fully Apple. However for the same price I could build a proper HTPC with a desktop class CPU.

What's the name of the App?

Even if the ATV app store contains all that is in the IOS app store, I still can't see how that will change people's viewing habit or entice them to do more in front of the TV

Its not even 4k at this price you better of with a shield

Agreed the ATV3 is still great for Airplay content and certain streaming content providers but as the App Store on ATV4 gains momentum the divide between the two devices will become more apparent - remember the iPhone before the App Store?

For around the same price the Nvidia Sheild TV + Controller absolutely trounces this in every conceivable way...

I'm still not convinced I feel the need to replace my ATV 3 with one of these

I've got one of these with MrMC installed and I'm impressed. Granted the remote experience in MrMC needs some fine tuning but the software has only been in the App Store for three weeks and the developers are busy on improving things.

Same £10 off deal at Tesco and in Boost as well. Lovely hardware, Apps severely lacking for now.

I can't see what the fascination with Apple TV is nowadays.

Bit disappointed with the ATV4. Its good in that it has all the major streaming apps ( apart from amazon which isn't out yet) but the games are pretty lacklustre which is usually apples strongpoint.
MrMC (no add ons) can be installed from the App Store, or you can sideload Kodi and sideload add ons, but not all work yet.

The remote is pretty rubbish as well.

Fire TV remote is much better, but fireTV lacks Nowtv app. ( side loading it doesn't work)

Can you hack these ones yet?