Hello i'm the original poster. and Unfortunately the place i live, i will upset the neighbours if i purchase a Subwooder, so i've been instructed by Richersounds to simply run the Floorstanders as ''Large'' and it should be fine

BK do some great subs.

Still need a subwoofer gor the .1

Also doing my first 5.1 set up with Tannoys.

Tannoy make good speakers. I can't vouch for these ones, but unless the company have gone really downhill they should be alright. Richer sounds don't tend to sell trash either (not saying they sell the best, just generally not trash). Fair price for a full setup.

Great deal for sure!

Great deal.
Its fascinated me for years how many favour image over sound. For me sound is 50% of the experience, possibly more. I have had a 5.1 system since I could first afford it in 2001 and will never go back to watching a TV screen without one. Forget about stereo speakers and sound bars, they are incomparible to 5.1 or more.

Hello i'm the original poster. and Unfortunately the place i live, i will upset the neighbours if i purchase a Subwooder, so i've been instructed by Richersounds to simply run the Floorstanders as ''Large'' and it should be fine

Perfect for first adventure into surround sound. Decent make and sound. Enjoy. Also being a decent company if you ever needed spares they will supply them unlike many other brands who discontinue products and offer no long term support.

You don't need a center or a sub, they just enhance the experience and the sub can reduce strain on the AV/amp and speakers, depending on crossover settings.

Originally - i was going to buy some satellite type setup & sub for like £150

thinking i've made a better choice spending a bit more

Cracking deal, I had a pair of Tannoy 633 D30s for 18 yrs until 1 of the drivers went last year, I replaced them with some MA Bronze5s and a matching centre, but the Tannoys were excellent, if I could have repaired em they would still be in my lounge!

I use my system primarily for music so I don't miss either the centre or the sub, although it would sometimes nice to have the latter when watching movies. The centre channel is still there 'virtually' so I can boost the gain on that channel if dialogue is indistinct or background music and FX are too noisy (nothing to do with my getting old and my hearing going!)

A subwoofer makes all the difference, you can't get the .1 without a sub, its a soundtrack in its own right, regardless of the crossover settings.

A phantom center works when directly in the middle of the fronts, but if you're off-center, it ruins the experience somewhat for me, compared to a dedicated center, but again, still not required for an enjoyable experience.


Of course, the sub makes a big difference with .1 content but it's not required, either due to money or as the OP said, neighbours. I highly recommend one though :smiley:

I have to have satellites as our lounge is not big enough for them but i would love proper floor standing speakers, but i have to say my Bostons sound amazing for such little speakers they are very good and the sub rattles doors even on low i would never go back to just a TV its so much more immersive.

​I had a Technics All in one hi fi system with 5.1 and DVD player built in. Cost me £700 in 2001. Sold it last month for £100, still worked perfectly.
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Then I just used that as a hi Fi for a while and replaced it with Sony all in one DVD 5.1 system which was somewhat better. Gave that away.

Now I have an Yamaha RXV675 with
a Monitor Audio Bronze BX2 5.1

Paired with a Sony Sony KD-65X9005B

Rev, I ran a 5.1 system for a while without a sub and sound was ok, however I added a very decent second hand miller and kreisel sub and it transformed the whole experience. Just demo a system with and without a sub and you'll never go back.
The only issue I have with Av amps is normal stereo sound is nowhere near as good as a dedicated stereo amp, but you can't have it all, I don't play stereo music with the sub on.

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I bet that's quite nice, also loving the walnut style of it

You would need an AV that has pre-outs, budget one's usually don't come with them.

Luckily mine does

I don't agree with that at all. Having a sub and setting the speakers crossover to 80Hz is a much better experience. Even if the floorstanders can handle it, it puts more strain on the AV and speakers and can have an overall impact on the rest of the sound. Unless you have extremely capable system and speakers that have subs built-in for LFE :wink:

I know i could and ive still got a cyrus one amp sitting round doing nothing.

Does the Yamaha RX-V675 have front pre-outs?

I know what you mean, that's why i ultimately I just went with stand mounts/ book shelfs with a sub in my system. But you could still get this with a view to getting a sub in the near future. For me in terms of space and noise I could not have floorstanders and a sub.
Having said the above I think the florstanders without the sub will prob sound better in stereo music than my stand mounts with a sub.

Rear.
It's an old amp now though, most new models are fully 4k compliment with HDMI 2.0 and hdcp 2.2

Hot hot hot

I'm still learning everything, a month ago I absolutely knew nothing about setting up a sound system.

Am I best changing the crossover frequency on my amp to 80Hz for my front and centre (they start from 40Hz), and turning the doublebass off. I eventually left to what Audyssey set it up as, with full band and double bass & then setting my sub to 80Hz crossover

Set all speakers to 80Hz if you have a sub. Subs crossover is usually 120Hz by default as the LFE channel goes up to 120Hz so I'd set it to that if you've changed it unless you think it sounds better at 80Hz.
Personally I would never use double bass, let the sub(s) handle all the low frequencies.

If you prefer listening to music as 2.0, then most AV's have "Direct Audio" or "Pure Audio" which sets the fronts as "Full" or "Large" as well as other things which is quite nice too. This works for multi-channel content as well but bypassing any calibrations.

bullet, you will get differing opinions on crossover levels for the sub, plenty of experts contradict each other.
theres plenty of detail on the audyssey forums (google it), some say even if you have floorstanders you should set them as small so that the sub does all the low end, depends how good your sub is?

Brilliant speakers if you have the space for them. Last floor standing speakers I had used to get knocked over like domino. Had them repaired twice and now they're in storage.

Seems like a cracking deal... Do people still rate the quad L-ites.. Had my set up for 9 years now.. Still sound awesome!!!

this is exactly set of speakers, but in dark walnut, i have for nearly a year and quite happy with them, paid more than that, bergain

Nice speaker but you always need a sub. Just a little 200w one is fine.

Richer sounds how do you do it guys?
Heat added

Can you mix and match tannoys with dali zensor?

outstanding company

Eltax 5.0 speaker set I got from richer sounds way back when for £350.00

I still have that system on the living room with 4 floorstand speakers, DVD version but it's only ever used as a stereo. I blew one of the aux inputs using it via PC for a while, but it still has a couple. I love the old thing.

As others said, you need a sub especially for films and "modern music". My old one broke so I switched my Ikon 6 to full band, then I got a K14F, switched it back to normal and it's just not comparable.

A sub is a must if you're watching movies. If you think the experiance was enhanced by going from TV speakers to amp/speakers, then a sub adds the same again. Ignore the neighbours :laughing:

Full range floorstanders with proper amplification will easily beat 90% of the home cinema setups out there. Even cheap subs (which can go lower than the floorstanders) start around £400 which is a lot for just occasional LFE and comes with the added problems of correct placement and integration.
BK subs aren't the value they once we're and SVS arguably offers a better price:performance ratio.

Totally with you on that. It was with a heavy heart I gave it away. I loved it and it was superb. The only thing I replaced was the remote which I wore out after 10 years. Everything worked as good as the day I bought it, when I sold it.

Would these be any better than the harman kardon hkts11 speaker set I currently have?

Yep.

How are these (paired with a decent sub) compared to monitor Mass 5.1?

That's correct, however if you do decide to purchase one I'd certainly take a look at this:
https://www.audiovisualonline.co.uk/product/5058/tannoy-ts2-10-gloss-black-subwoofer/

Its a great sub for the price in my opinion, I've had mine for 3 years now and I'm very happy with it, goes really low without distorting and its quite loud lol. For £300 you'd be hard pressed to find something much better.

In case you're wondering my setup is as follows:
Front & Rears: Tannoy Mercury V1I
Center: Tannoy Mercury VCI
Sub: Tannoy TS2.10
Amp: Sony STR-DN850

Edit: Looks like the Grey version is only £249:
http://www.superfi.co.uk/p-13734-tannoy-ts210-subwoofer.aspx

Probably going to pick up a Subwoofer sometime thanks for the advice Zaim, however i haven't even got it all setup yet so i'll have to see if it's worth spending an extra £300 on a sub to go with it all

if you dont have a sub configured, then you amp will almost certainly would have set your speakers to large (maybe all of them)

Spend the extra £70 and get this:
http://www.richersounds.com/package/speakers/speaker-packages/pah01309

tebbo, if you have audyssey, let that do the config, you should never (according to the experts) lower the crossovers from what its measured, you can raise them upto a max 120hz likely best 80hz as thats the THX default.
for music i disable the sub in the settings so full range just goes to my fronts

good website to check your bass http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_frequencychecklow.php

These wifi? Want a 5.1 setup still using my sony hifi over twenty years old and still working but speakers are short and fat would like tall speakers but also the wires are not long enough the rear speakers have long wires but not front two

Clicking on the 'Get Deal' link takes me to this:
http://www.richersounds.com/product/floorstanders/tannoy/mercury-v4i/tann-merc-v4i-sug-ma

Very true but don't want two rear cables and 4 cables as seperate for the subbwoofer off the speaker so there is no rush for me to buy but what i meant is are these speakers wifi? So if i bought a new amp that was wifi i could connect them! My Sony system was from 1994 so no mp3 no dab and no nothing! However it has a phono and video input so can connect a phone or ipad and still use the speakers! So once again as nonone didn't answer my question are these speakers wireless?

Sound advice....excuse the pun! Unfortunately don't have audyssey. Calibrated using Sony built in auto calibration tool. Trouble is it sets my speakers to large hence no crossover?

no not wireless, you system will likely not be compatible with these speakers, you will need to compare the specs closely.
likely good wireless speakers will cost in the thousands if they exist (in a 5.1 config anyway).

tebbo, i used to have a sony av amp which didn't have auto calibration, set the speakers to small and set the crossover to 80hz, what speakers and sub do you have?

Down to £280 now (!80 + 50 + 50) so assume that they are fast running out and you will be lucky if they are in a store near you...
http://www.richersounds.com/product/centre-speakers/tannoy/mercury-vci/tann-merc-vci-sug-ma
http://www.richersounds.com/product/standmount-speakers/tannoy/mercury-vri/tann-merc-vri-sug-ma
http://www.richersounds.com/product/floorstanders/tannoy/mercury-v4i/tann-merc-v4i-sug-ma

I have those too with a matching sub. You can add sand as ballast to make them heavier. There is a removable plate on the back marked for sand filling only.

matlock, really appreciate your response.
I've got a mismatch set up, sounds good tho!!!
B&W 602's L+R
Eltax Monitor centre
Wharfedale 9.1 surrounds
Wharfedale 9.0 front highs
Wharfedale 150 sub

Plex running from dedicated server. PS4. Pany BluRay. Sony STR-850 amp. All hooked up with Van Damme studio 2.5mm cable. Fronts bi-wired.
I've re-set crossover to 80hz on all speakers and as you suggest always set amp to 2 channels for music as the bass from sub is too bloated.
I plan to upgrade in 5 years time but want to get the best out of my kit in the meantime. cheers

I've been meaning to start learning about audio setups but I have no idea where to start and what to read. Any pointers for a complete newbie?

lol

Go to avforums.com & select the appropriate Forum, e.g. you may need to look in various ones in Home Audio Video Forums, Hi-Fi Forums, etc.

Starting as a complete noob I've built a media centre and 5.1 home cinema system based on information & advice from their forums.

Hi, when I click on this deal I only see the two tall speakers for around £179.00. Does anyone know if this deal is still live?

I thought these speakers would be cheaper by now.
I bought them more than 2 years ago from RS for £349 including SFX sub.
Shame I had to get rid of them as they were too big for my new flat.
You'll manage to get quite good sound with a decent AV receiver. I had them connected to a Sony STR-DN1030.
Voted hot anyway.

you'll get a good sound out of what youve got, theres plenty of advice on avf forums, what extra do you get by running high fronts?

THX recommends 80Hz crossover for the speakers.
For the sub, the LFE channel goes up to 120Hz so a good place to start.
At the end of the day use the settings that sound better to you.

Front highs are meant to output overhead sound (lightning/helicopters etc) processed by Dolby Pro Logic llz, a prelude to Atmos/DTS X. TBH it doesn't do a very good job, no distinction in sound. I only tried it as I had a couple of spare speakers, can't fit rears and wanted to make full use of the amp outputs. Thing is, once I hooked them up it adds so much to the front sound stage when there not on you really notice the difference. Hence I grabbed the 9.0's on a Richer Sounds deal. Hope that sheds some light :smirk:

Settled on 80hz all round, sounds good with no gaps. cheers.....

The crossover isn't a brick wall so when you set 80Hz for the speakers, 79Hz is still audible, for example.

Totally agree after reading a post on AVF. Didn't know that anything below 80hz can't be localised so is better handled by the sub.

That's true. As long as you have a reference point you can optimize it for your room/setup.

Thanks a lot!

Hello everyone :smile:

I am the original poster, and i honestly can't believe this went this hot. lol

Nothing I can really point you to. I got given an old receiver a while ago, it's 7 years old now. Onkyo Txnr905
So I decided to get round to putting it to use and get some decent speakers for it, my Christmas present to myself.
Found some fronts and a sub through gumtree. Tannoy R3 Fronts and a JMLab SW700 Subwoofer, it's 300w and way bigger then I expected when I went to pick it up.
Experimented with them a bit. Research indicated that when buying a centre it's very important to get the matching centre to the fronts, or something close. Managed to find a Tannoy Eyris C (the model above my fronts)
Then just got some Tannoys DC6 from Richer Sounds as my rears.
Only got given the receivers mic last week, to auto calibrate my system.

A few things I've learned, that I didn't know a month ago-

Bi-wire & Bi-amping. Just found out last night out my receiver can bi-amp my fronts if I only use up to a 5.1 system. So I've just set that up.

Nearly all HD sources have to be connected to the Receiver through HDMI as nothing else can really carry anything past a stereo signal.
If possible it's best if the source can bitstream to the receiver, so the receiver can do the decoding. Apprently my Xbox can't bitstream without loss.My receiver doesn't support ARC, so have to connect my TV through Optical, which optical can only carry stereo. And I'm currently having trouble bitstreaming my computer.

It's Important all the listening presets are set up correctly. Do you want your stereo inputs been played as just stereo, or stereo through front and back speakers, or do you want it synthesised to a 5.1 system. Nor do you really want a 5.1 signal being played in stereo or a reprocessed 5.1

Crossover frequency, between speakers and sub, looks like a common thing is to set everything to 80Hz.

Not many movies/sources are natively recorded in 7.1, so not really worth upgrading to if it's a hassle. Also it's not really feasible in my room. Also been reading about 2nd subwoofers, but also not feasible for me.

plasma, I dont think many have actually bought the kit youve posted, but we've all had a good gab about 5.1 systems and setups. RS are a good outfit who give sound advice and the warranties are good, ive bought loads of kit off them over the last 30 years.

Optical can carry DD/DTS 5.1 (bitstream).

My bad. Looked it up a bit more
Optical can't support PCM multichannel - only PCM Stereo
Also Optical can't support Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master Audio.
I basically read it all as optical supports stereo only

HDMI supports all of them

Yes :smiley:

That's not like Tannoy. The spikes should be standard parts across multiple ranges.

I blew a tweeter a few years back in a 8 year old speaker and they had a replacement cost about £43 but worth it.

Thanks for the lengthy explanation. Appreciated.

These are entry level? What do you call my Tannoy SFX5.1's which cost £129? Is this a snobby comment or are £300-£500 speakers classed as entry these days? The quality on my SFX's are 10x better quality than the £500 all-in-one I purchased years ago and I can imagine these speakers are a lot better than my SFX's.

Adorable :stuck_out_tongue:

I think he means more in the sense that
The Tannoy Mercurys are Tannoy's cheapest range "Entry Level"
A set of Flagship models such as the DC8's will cost 10x the price

hifi is a snobish world (some people pay thousands for cables or leads), yes these are a budget/entry level package, im not certain how many have actually got hold of a set as they aren't sold as a package and are in store only.
they will sound ok, but you will need to budget for a sub to get a proper surround system started.

Hello i'm the original poster andddd something tells me

i've had the Speaker Bargain of the year with this.

Plasma, you setup your system yet? End of line equipment is generally sold off cheaper to get rid of the last bit of stock?
I bought tannoy eyris centre and rears (retail price well over £1k) which are much better than your kit a few years ago for less than £140 then added tannoy dc6 fronts a year or so ago for £180, so not much more for much higher range tannoys.
Plenty of good deal about over the last few years on hifi.

Also care to explain why you think your 7 year old eyris bookshelfs are better than Tannoy V1i's bookshelfs.

and why you think your DC6 bookshelfs are better than a pair of V4i Floorstanders?

Still doesn't explain why he thinks a pair of bookshelf speakers beats a pair of Foorstanders.

Also i'm failing to see how these Floorstanders are considered 'budget' when, they've easily been selling for £350. And were launched as £500 a pair.

Not one to brag but, budget speakers don't get 700 odd heat on here. Budget is simply your perspective

Don't see them as budget unfortunately

Still, these aren't budget speakers..

You're just being a troll now and an audio snob, do you want knocking out

700 heat mate. For budget speakers

700 Degree's

and Floorstanders are better than bookshelf speakers.

How are these compared to monitor mass 5.1

http://m.richersounds.com/#!/product/moni-audio-mass

He knows best. After all his deal has reached 700°. Never mind the fact it's his " first Home Cinema". Or is it.....

from 1 year 9 months ago..

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/5-1-surround-sound-110-richersounds-1867730



Maybe he was 'researching' speakers for almost 2 years :confused:

Those Q Acoustics are a good buy too :smiley:

I bought my sub woofer second hand from a guy who bought a new full setup of monitor audio speakers (gold or possibly silver series), he demoed it to me and it was the best sounding home cinema I've ever heard, it was amazing, but so was the price tag of over £6k, just for speakers, his full system must have been £20k.

I bought a pair of these, from the link, yesterday from my local RS shop, but haven't had chance to set them up yet..

Has anybody got the full 5.0 speaker set at this price? Seems the op did but hasn't set them up yet?
Do you need help connecting 2 wires per speaker, just ask there are plenty of people who have experience.

Looking at my history. Lol well done, very stalkerish of you

Congrats muppet. lets have a look at yours

lol it's just pure USB/Chargers/Batteries aha wtf

have you got a USB charger fetish, topss?

not seen proof of this deal, youve only linked up 1 element, in store only so likely have to scour various shops to get all the elements.

Will sound ok for a budget package.

They had plenty in other stores when i called. They even had the black version of these set. Richersounds apparently bought the last remaining stock from Tannoy.

I ended up buying this bundle

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/denon-avr-x2200w-with-dali-zensor-7-5-1-speaker-package-includes-cable-bundle-worth-2380306

I bought a pair of the Floorstanders in this deal, and coupled with the Pioneer vsx 930, I must say they sound awesome when watching a film, almost, if not cinema sound.
My other half is absolutely delighted with them.