I have a Samsung 55JU6400 4k TV
I'm sure you're making it up in your head as you go along, picking random words that sound a little bit right...

I'll say it again....This TV along with ALL other TV's have a built in upscaler. You cannot buy a HD TV without one. Otherwise the TV would have to state it only supports it's native resolution. If a TV doesn't upscale the image it appears in it's native format in a small box on the screen.
Picture zooming is a TOTALLY different thing. that is used to adjust the picture size when a program is made a different aspect ratio.(4:3 to 16:9 etc..)

btw @ the OP
Heated as I've personally seen a couple of Hisense TV's in action now and they are very good quality TV's for the price. If I was buying again I'd certainly consider one especially when backed by a richer Sounds 6yr guarantee for peace of mind.



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Of course they upscale...If they didn't upscale then you would end up with small image in the middle of the screen like this.....

Deal is still available via Richer Sounds and latest firmware updates to HDR

question for the new owners of the hisense 58", apparently it's not at it's best in terms of screen quality when out of the box, and the settings need changing.

what settings have you guys put it on?

​hi mick, have you viewed 4k content on this TV? what is the quality like, and is there any stuttering/juddering, as has been reported?

Not something I use it for.
Still very pleased with the TV.

So guys, how is this for gaming? Input lag? Looking to buy a new TV.

Thanks

Same here took me ages to get off. I wish I'd left it on like I normally do. TV upstairs has still got it on after a year. But like you say just a petty inconvenience. Still a great TV. Gonna check out the 3D with a few films this weekend. :smile:

Try Beelink i68 very good 4K Android TV BOX (you can add apps, imo, whatsapp, etc). it is only £41 @ gearbest Beelink i68

Found the first (petty) negative point for this TV

Noticed a protective film on the bottom silver bar frame was peeling from the corner. Tried to peel it off but is trapped full length of the bottom edge of the screen, by black bezel frame surround.

The easiest way to remove this is to peel from the bottom first so you get a strip of plastic along the top of the silver metal frame. Then pull outwards away from the screen to pull from under the black bezel. You will not get it all out and will end up scraping it with your fingernails.

If you have this protective film on your screen surround best to remove it as the adhesive can etch itself into the metal/plastic over time, causing damage.

Sound on this TV is better than yer average flat screen. Still lacks bass at low volumes so would recommend a sound bar of some sort with separate sub woofer :wink:

Looks like John Lewis are going to price match for me :innocent:

Still can't confirm if this model is FALD or not. RS website says not, JL site doesn't mention it but the blurb is for the wrong TV and Google searches suggest it does. Hisense website says "Picture or sound improving features - Quad core processor, UHD Upscaling, HEVC (H.265), Local Dimming, 3D Digital Comb Filter & MEMC.

Are there any owners that can confirm FALD or not?

edit: Stuff it... ordered from JL on a price match. Coming a week today :man:.

Any comments as to whether my LG 2.1 sound bar is likely to be required or is the sound decent? I need a new TV unit and whether or not I need a sound bar affects which type I choose.

The thought did pop into my head but the conversation left me wanting to take my business elsewhere. I want one of the current Hisense line-up (preferably the largest I can persuade my wife we need :smile:) as I think they all seem to represent good value at the moment.

Email sent with manual attached
It's a difficult question with games console as people just cannot agree which is best. I was always a playstation man and would not entertain xbox until I got the xbox one couple of years ago.
Have no regrets as the standard of games on the Xbox one are awesome and the console does a little more than just games, ie plays blu Ray and in 3D.
Xbox one also has a good selection of free games each month with gold (which can be purchased from cd keys for less than £20 playstation plus is around £35 a year) and Xbox one has an added feature has a TV calibration feature built it to, which I used to set up the game mode on my Hisense and my gaming is no at a whole new level as the picture quality is amazing (and I thought my Panasonic plasma was amazing).

Tried the 3D last night (Samsung glasses also worked on this TV). Wow it was amazing!
Just need to find some films to watch :laughing:

Bit of an impossible question to answer. Either Ps4 or Xbone will look fantastic but as to what game depends on what you like to play.

Thanks XboxOneGamer, PM sent with my email address.

I have though about buying a game console to try this out, but which one to buy, and which game?

After sales support is also up there with the best, I emailed twice and got the answer I needed within 24 hours.
Also asked about the limited info in the user manual and they emailed the revised user manual straight away.
So if anyone needs the correct user manual for this TV, the one with the actual instructions on how to operate it. I have the pdf version which I can email.

The RS person has basically told you that these TVs are Cr4p!
Then why do they and JL sell them, and give an extra 4 years guarantee on top of the HS 2 year warrantee?
They must have sold hundreds of them at this price by now?

Looking at all the settings, everyone should be able to get a picture to their liking. I have personally not had to make any changes from default.

I suspect there is nothing wrong with the returned set, and would have offered to take the 'open box' return at a good discount. :smiley: Worth the risk with their return policy, you have nothing to lose?

Funny, I think it's expected behaviour from most retailers :smirk:, I just didn't expect it from Richer Sounds.

Now that I've had time to think about it I might hold off and go for one of the Hisense models with FALD from somewhere else instead. I've been dithering on and off for ages about this and thought I had finally made my mind up... :disappointed:

I have a John Lewis price match request in and I'll finally make up my mind whether to stick or twist once that comes back - I think I'd prefer to go there (JL) now despite getting a year less warranty.

edit: Finding it confusing which models offer FALD :disappointed:

Same here!

Where is John Clayton when you need him?
John, this isnt doing Richer Sounds any favours and it really does need management attention.
I m sure this isnt the first time that I have read on here about some Richer Sounds staff trying to upsell like this?

I have used RS many times and if they tried to put me off one product in favour of another, then I would just walk away.
Disgraceful behaviour!

Nothing wrong with mine either, 3 weeks and still as happy as the day I got it.
You will be hard pressed to find anything better at this price range.

Nothing wrong with mine?

Interesting... spoke with my local Richer Sounds by phone who asked if I'd seen one - I said no but I've read good reviews and opinions from owners. They said they could get me one of these but the quality wasn't very good at all (it was mentioned they had one coming back open box today due to the recipient not being happy with the quality) and what I really need is a Panasonic 55cx680 (a smaller TV costing £100 more)...

It's been a while since I bought anything from Richer and I must admit I was a bit disappointed at the up-selling. Due to this, I've ended up coming away without ordering.

I am still very happy with my choice. :wink:

Thinking of buying the Hisense 58" 4K 3D tv tomorrow!!

On checking reviews I came to conclusion the Samsung was probably the best as long as you don't wont 3D. Wouldn't of paid £849 for it though. Glad I changed mind and decided on this Hisense. Perhaps they should rename them Makesense! :smile:

Sadly the rooms weird and the tv is not close to a wall.
A shame. I might hang on till HiSense launch there new models in March/April, or buy the Sony or Panny...

Why not put it on a wall stand similar to my earlier post to allow easy adjustment of all angles and give you space on your stand?

Damn. No this won't fit on my Stand (95cm). Whatever were they thinking with those long ass feet? Shame.

Not the right forum, but while I'm here, anyone any opinions on:
Sony Bravia KD55X8005
Panasonic Viera TX-55CX680B
Samsung UE55JU6400

Thanks playa.

TV is 51 inches (130 cm) wide

47 inches or 120cm

Ok, I'm this [-] close to buying this TV, one obstacle remains: Can a lucky owner measure the distance between the feet (outer edges) please? Or anyone else if they know how far apart they are.
This looks a cracking deal, but If I have to spend another £100+ on a big enough stand, I'd rather spend that money on the Samsung, Panasonic or Sony that have central bases that would fit on my stand.

Another bonus with this is the stand, despite being far apart, each of the four legs have a very small footprint.
Dusting the stand around the legs is easily done without moving the TV.

Apart from lack of Apps (which there are plenty of options with 4 hdmi i/p) or you're a total badge snob :wink: the Hisense is as already said 'a no brainer'. Very happy with mine!

I'm looking at this or the Sony Bravia KD55X8005. Anyone able to offer any input please?
Primarily for gaming, but nothing fast like CS:GO.

any news on HDR?

As previously reported the Apps are limited, however updates are adding items like BBC Iplayer, if you are not seeing it on the list, an update should pop ups soon.

You can cheaply add a KODI XBMC Android Smart TV BOX, which will give you access to Google Play Store Apps.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201419021867?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Ok the TV picture and sound is great. Now how do I get the best out of it. Can I use Amazon Prime and how do I add more apps?

When you get it switched on, press the Youtube button on the remote and check these 4k videos out.
https://www.youtube.com/user/aroundtheworld4k

I'll stick the central heating on :smile:

Allow time before switching on as Condensation will settle when you bring it indoors.

Couldn't resist anymore so just bought it. Wow it's quite a heavy TV. Waiting for friend to come home to help lift out the car :laughing:

Its a no brainer? I love my 58k700, just connected it to my Sony home cinema system, which has improved the (already adequate) sound by making it 5.1

Gonna get one to replace a Samsung. Hope I don't regret it! :confused:

I too took the plunge and purchased this, the first unit arrived Thursday and was duff as half the screen was dead. Not sure if it had been dropped and half the screen had broke or it had not been quality controlled.
I then felt a little disappointed and thought maybe it's what can be expected from a unknown manufacture and was wishing I had gone with a brand name.
I spoke to richer sounds and they arranged for me to return the faulty TV to store and exchange, I agreed to do so and give it another go as could always return the replacement if not happy.
So swopped it over yesterday and wall mounted last night and must admit I have totally changed my mind as this TV as its awesome.
Out of the box it's pretty awful but change your picture and sound settings and the TV is then worth the asking price and some.
I have spent the last 36 hours watching Sky HD & TiVo (awesome quality), DTV awesome in HD but not so good in SD as its a poor at upscalling the SD content due to motion lag.
The built in Netflix and You Tube buttons on the remote are great and confirm both are very good quality.
Xbox one set up in the Game mode picture setting and calibrated with the xbox one built in display calibration feature is awesome.
The sound once set up is the best I have ever come across from a TV and it puts my £250 sound bar to shame as the sound is so crisp and the virtual surround work well from standard TV speakers.
So can happily say the TV is a keeper and an absolute bargain for £699 really glad I took the plunge.

Just tried the 3d, re previous negative comment, expected to be disappointed!
Putt battery in 3d Specs, Pressed Remote Youtube button, searched for '3D'
First video, Switched on specs, TV reported that Specs were detected, Perfect 3d Video :smiley:

iplayer still looks low res and not HD, hoping for nother update soon. Netflix gives a much better picture.
I was surprised by all the kids content on one of the kids apps. loads of stuff.

I was going for a 55, but 58 fits perfectly where I want it, I would not pay an extra 300 for the 65".
The 58" @RS is reduced by £300 opposed to £50 on that 55" so not sure what the spec it is compared to that 55"
with 4kUHD, surely the bigger screen that you can fit in the better. You wont be disappointed with either.

Because the stands are so far apart, it wont fit on my long TV stand. I am using my wall mount I bought some years ago.
Still available on eBay

32"-60" LED/Plasma/LCD TV Plasma Monitor Slim Wall Mount Pivot Bracket
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262062374621?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Was considering this one http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/hisense/ltdn55k321uwts/hise-ltdn55k321uwts
Is it worth paying the extra £100 for this 58 inch instead?

Having received this TV 2 days ago, had a good chance to have a play around with it.
This is a brilliant TV for the money. Picture quality is excellent. It automatically detects Firmware upgrades and asks if you want to install them. It can be set to apply updates automatically. Recent update includes BBC iplayer.

Pressing the 'Youtube' button on the remote and searching for '4K' brings up much content, particularly 'Around the world 4K'.

This is a no brainer, 58" 4K TV with 6 year guarantee for this price? My concerns over it not being Samsung or LG have been dispelled. I am glad I got this before it goes back up to a grand, but at that it still represents excellent value assuming that the 65" Hisense also returns to its original price.

also ordered, how does the upgrade work?

iPlayer available as of today for this TV. Firmware upgrade available.

Hot !
Ordered.

Seems to get really good reports. If its good enough for John Lewis to stock, its good enough for me.
It really is £999 everywhere else, But ordered, Richer Sounds for 6 year Guarantee :smiley:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/hisense-ltdn-k700xwtseu3d-owners-thread.1986050/page-14

review from AVF for those who are interested

hi all!

been looking at this TV for a while and looks very impressive for the money but I've heard bad reviews on its 3D capability which although is dying (rapidly) I would still need at the moment.

does anyone own one of these and can give judgement on this please?

hi all!

been looking at this TV for a while and looks very impressive for the money but I've heard bad reviews on its 3D capability which although is dying (rapidly) I would still need at the moment.

does anyone own one of these and can give judgement on this please?

Hello
I have been reading all these comments and all I can take from it is that this is a good tv for the money .
The only thing I am worried about is I don't really need a smart tv as I run everything through my xbox one has anyone used an xbox one or a ps4 on this tv .
I have read that the frame rate is important for these machines to look good .
I was originally looking for a 55 inch LG or samsung but when I seen this I thought it might be worth a go .

So I have the last one in RS Belfast reserved and they have a 55" and 65" on display in the shop, so I can audition the picture before I decide for sure. But if the reviews are anything to go by, this tv is really up there with the Sony's and Samsung's of the world. The only thing is, they have an Oled screen in development, which an avforums preview says looks like the finished article. So I'm in two minds as to whether to wait for that instead.

I have a 50" K321 (i think - recent amazon deal) and its outstanding in terms of PQ. if this is even better, i am sorely tempted to buy this for the added warranty, 3d and screen size and sell the 50" hisense. The £600 sony 4K TV is also another contender

Here is a french review that shows the upscaling that Hisense are employing in these tv's:
http://www.hdfever.fr/2015/11/02/test-hisense-ltdn65xt910xwtseu3d/

The Hisense upscaling is on the right and the first picture is up against a £1k Oppo 105D Blu-ray Player.

Yes that is the one.

But a true 4K upscaling AVR is going to set you back another 300+ quid for the cheapest model. I bought an Onkyo TX-NR626 a couple of years back which outputs 4K but only upscaled and without HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2, it doesn't do passthrough. If I want another Onkyo one that does, I'd have to sell the one I've got (for peanuts) and splash out another £350 for the cheapest model that currently supports 4K and which doesn't upscale. If I want an upscaling model, it will cost at least £500 for the cheapest in their range, the TX-NR838.

I'm looking for a 55" telly myself at the minute, and while smart features aren't really essential (it'll reside above my HCPC), active 3D is. This set then has everything I'd love in a 4K set, bar a curved screen, the SUHD of Samsung's higher end models, or the gorgeous OLED LG screens. But how many tellies do you see at this price that feature local dimming? If it works as described, its worth a 3rd of the cost of the tv straight off, no problem. None of the affordable Samsungs, LGs or Sonys feature it.

So if anyone already has one of these sets, or any other in the Hisense 4K range, how do you find it for contrast ratio, picture processing, colour? Is it back or edge lit (I'm guessing backlit forv the local dimming)?

good tv , good price, trying to find out if the panel is 10 bit

I guess the point bobo was trying to make is there still. The upscaling probably (haven't owned either..) won't be as good looking as the top market Samsung TVs.

Can't this sort of function be replicated by upscaling features on your AVR though? Or are AVR upscaling features generally considered sub standard compared to what's included in the high end TVs?

ordered it, hope it will be suitable for us, great brands and good price, other brands are more than £1000. this one is £999.95 at john Lewis

Where would that be from then?

Edit....its this one isnt it?
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dealtastic-hisense-ltdn65k720wtseu-65-inch-curved-4k-smart-ultra-hd-led-tv-999-99-2358971?utm_source=Thread%2BSubscription&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2358971&utm_campaign=Comment%2BUpdate

lol cracking myself up with bobo53 and his theories on why this tv doesn't upscale ... jeez fella take a wee look at the internet to show that Hisense have some of the best upscaling on the planet.

For this sort of money this TV has no equals whatsover. Only one I could make a case for is the HIsense 65" K720 for another £300 that is FALD.

If you want a decent smart tv system then either pay the extra £400+ for a Samsung or LG and then realise that they will pretty much stop supporting their 2015 systems once the 2016 models come out in April or buy something like a Nvidia Shield TV and plug it in and enjoy a better TV and Smart TV system for a lot less.

crap cheap Chinese knock off!

Best Christmas viewing since the Two Ronnies ended :laughing:

Is this brand any good

hurrah...sounds like you've got upscaling now :smiley:

Your 'alternative' description there of upconversion only exists in your own head I'm afraid. the closest there is to what your describing is simply changing the aspect ratio (i.e. from 4:3 to 16:9 or anamorphic 2.35:1 to 1.85:1.

Upconversion is only the same as upscaling when someone is using the wrong word for upscaling :wink:

that might also be called upconversion, but once again in case the mass missed it, upscale would bring the lower resolution of what ever you got to the max resolution of the screen, upconversion would spread the resolution of your device to fill up the screen at the same resolution of your device. Does make sense to anyone??

i just wish they didn't use these types of bases, i much prefer a center stand so if there's overhang on my cabinet it'll still sit there but either way this looks like a cracking deal and with that 6 year backup its a win win
i might look at the 50" though, like i say to the wife, i just cant fit anything bigger there

of course, even the romans needed to direct the mass in the right direction with the use of the whip and they were never wrong as it worked well, lol

No mine is the flat K700, purchased from John Lewis on a price match.

I told you in post #5 what upconversion is....

Have you thought there's a reason most are saying the same thing?

Beware of the liars.

you repeat what the mass does say, so what is an upconversion?? explain please

That's upscaling.

I have the 40inch K4321. For 4K Netflix it is fantastic. For UHD files on USB it is even better.
No YouTube 4K or Amazon UHD via any internal app yet. Maybe in January. Not sure how that compares with this TV.

As for upscale or not, what the hell?!someone needs to do a bit more research on Wikipedia... Or come back with pictures, because words not making sense.
I've got this TV solely for 4K use. For the non 4K it is fine, if a bit gaudy. The same way SD looks awful on 1080.
1080 content with a quality source seems fine. Also use as a monitor, pushing 1080p to UHD screen. It does detect 1080p content and screen is blown up to full size.

As for the company, Hisense sell more TVs than Sony and are third globally, behind LG and Samsung. They are huge in China so expect them to be even bigger in the next 5 years.

How are Richersounds with their warranty promise? John Lewis aren't too great with theirs.

I'm unsure what the confusion is here TBH...

This TV and other 4K TVs physically have 3840x2160 pixels, if the TV is sent a 1920x1080 pixel image it needs to guess what the missing pixels are or 3/4 of the screen would be black. To do this TVs use a interpolation algorithm to upscale the source 1920x1080 image to be 3840x2160, these algorithms guess what the pixels in between might be to varying amounts of success.

Cheap supermarket TVs do this poorly and it ends up making the resulting 3840x2160 image look blurry (soft). This TV actually does it very well, I would say on par with a mid range 4K TV from Sony, Samsung and LG. Many 4K devices also contain an upscaler which is sometimes better than the TVs so it's always worth a test.

I have the 65 inch version of this set, it currently has a couple of issues.

It does not handshake correctly via BT UHD youview box or Nvidia shield (or Amazon fire 4k according to Hisense support), although this should be fixed in the up coming firmware release (They have fixed the issue on base level K321 sets).

On the positive side the 4K content on Netflix using the internal player is good, blacks are very good with the local dimming. The screen is uniform watching sports content is good especially HD, SD well if you can't say anything good...

lol no-one got your point because it is WRONG...


Wrong. how could it upscale to the same resolution of its original source...that makes no sense whatsoever..you are basically saying it will upscale from 1080p to 1080p...

THIS and ALL other 4k tv's WILL upscale a non native resolution source to ITS own native resolution...3840x2160

Wouldn't like to be bobo53 right now, how embarrassing

Wish my telly was broke Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!

i have one of these after i gave up with broken sony 55x8509 and panasonic cx700 which were £1100 at the time.

Took a chance on this for £849, being totally honest the picture is the same, standard definition is poor as it was sony.

however this has local dimming and it really works, black is black, much better than the sony and panasonic and theres no light bleed or light leak like the sony either.

the smart system is poor but it is cheap.

total bargain for the money though.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT :smile:

All TV's upscale to their native resolution, as said already, you can call it upconverting if you want, it's the same thing.
Marketing can prevail but the algorithms that try reduce noise and any other effects from the upscaled image can be different from one manufacturer to another.

Will a 1920x1080 source look better on UHD TV upscaled, I guess it depends what you think better means. Upscaling can't add more information that's not there in the source, it could duplicate, or add white pixels like some LG TV's.

Might be helpful to put "Richer Sounds" in the deal title :wink:

Dear Uridium and Bobo - it sounds like you both know what you're talking about, although logic suggests at least one of you is wrong. Whatever, I'm now totally confused as to whether or not these 4K TVs are worth buying!

Most of whatever will be viewed will be either HD or SD as things stand today - not 4K (yet). So is it actually worth buying one as it seems the picture will be worse than a regular FHD TV.

I'm sorry but Uridium is correct, having studied DSP for my masters degree we were taught about how images are upscaled using interpolation algorithms and how different algorithms give different results (We used FFTs and Wavelets). The algorithms that each TV uses to do this will vary which is why some TVs appear better at it than others but they all upscale images that are less than their native 4K.

Anyway I have the 50 inch version of this TV which I got to replace a 40 inch Bravia and it's exceptional value. The picture is very good and it has many features like playing video files (avi, h264, h265...) from USB or a NAS and so forth.

Uridium is correct and bobo53 is talking ****.. he obviously believes what he is saying but is incorrect. the TV displays the input signal received not output signal and will upscale input received to the TV's native resolution (regardless if it does a good job or not) so higher the inputed signal the better as less upscaling will incur.. this is the same with full HD TV's nowadays - feed in a SD pic or a 720p it will upscale to 1080... if it didn't it would display a pic which wouldn't fill the screen as shown above.

I have a Samsung 55JU6400 4k TV
I'm sure you're making it up in your head as you go along, picking random words that sound a little bit right...

I'll say it again....This TV along with ALL other TV's have a built in upscaler. You cannot buy a HD TV without one. Otherwise the TV would have to state it only supports it's native resolution. If a TV doesn't upscale the image it appears in it's native format in a small box on the screen.
Picture zooming is a TOTALLY different thing. that is used to adjust the picture size when a program is made a different aspect ratio.(4:3 to 16:9 etc..)

btw @ the OP
Heated as I've personally seen a couple of Hisense TV's in action now and they are very good quality TV's for the price. If I was buying again I'd certainly consider one especially when backed by a richer Sounds 6yr guarantee for peace of mind.



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oh dear bobo.... anyway. I've got the 50 inch hisense. not sure an extra 8 inches is worth another 300 quid but the 50 inch is fantastic

I am sorry, you never had a 4k tv as I can see, end of the matter but once again my comment was about the upscaling of this tv. This tv all it does is to automatically feel the screen, for proper upscaling it is meant to get the the SD or HD picture to feel the pixels 4 times with all the power of his own processor and the help of the software and that is why the final result would be 3840x2160 clearly written on the screen. Any other tv which they do not do that it means that the picture is been upconverted(only zoomed) to fill the screen, call it upscaling if you wish but it is the wrong word despite the fact that a proper uscaling might not even be good and can vary from tv to tv of the same make.

I'm sorry but your talking nonsense. ALL 4k tv's will show any non native 4k feed as an upscaled output or you would just get a small image in the centre of the screen as per the image I posted at the top of the thread.
This is just the same as the way a 1080 TV will output 1080 from an SD image...ALL TV's will upscale the resolution it receives if it is lower than it's native resolution then upscale it and output it at it's native resolution. This is simply how upscaling fundamentally works.

You need to get over this idea you have of proper and non proper upscaling TV's. All TV's have upscalers in order to output the source material in their native output resolution. The only difference is that some TV's have a better quality upscaler than others.

A proper upscaling 4k tv will show a proper upscaled 3840x2160 output from any resolution input. I base my finding on real usage not on what sometime we read or they tell us at the shops. Best way is always to test side by side at home and the story becomes totally different. Obviously, some people are exchanging for very old plasmas/lcd and they think they see a new world with these 4k TV's when they watch Sd and HD and they do not realize that their previous tv was obsolete for picture quality, mainly contrasts and brightness. Anyway, which ever you want to put it, does not matter about the way they upscale or upconvert. Samsung for sure does do a good upscaling (still not as good as a proper 1080p tv on the 4k model I had) as I could personally witness at home, Panasonic is rubbish( a much more expensive 4k TV than the 4k Samsung I had) on doing that and I do not expect Hisense to be any better.

I really think you need to do a little research on upscaling and upconverting...I'm not quoting my opinion..I'm quoting facts about those technologies.
as for the resolution the 'Info' on the TV shows you...the TV will show you the input source resolution, not the output resolution. with a true 4k input feed the TV will show you 3840x2160, with a 1080i feed such as SkyHD it will show you 1920x1080 regardless of what quality scaling chipset is in the TV as it is stating the Input source resolution not the Output resolution.

I agree about the better and the worse upscaler. Anyway, in a proper upscaled 4k tv, the screen on pressing info should say 3840x2160 and still does not mean that there will be a sensible improvement. On a non proper upscaled 4k tv would say 1080p (if from an 1080p source etc...) and that is only a deteriorated zoomed picture more commonly called also upconversion. Be also aware of these hdmi upscaler wich they convert the picture to an upscaled 3840x2160, they do nothing at all to improve the picture, they soften it on the bad side I think. These upconverting 4k TV's do need proper dvd/bluray player with a 4k upscaler to improve the picture and for freeview and satellite tuner cannot find any equivalent at all. Samsung and Sony are much better value in these upscaling tasks.

had the 65 version of this...the picture quality on Freeview and sky hd is brilliant...as long as you persevere with the settings...the only reason I returned it was because of slight motion judder i just couldn't get used to, off there was judder...on and there was SOA...but if this doesn't bother you then its a brilliant tv...local dimming is fantastic..

I'd disagree again, most seem to think HiSense TV;s are in the same category as Bush/Technika/Polaroid etc...but HiSense actually make some very good quality TV's. Give them a few years and they will be big players along with Samsung/Sony/LG and Panasonic in the european market just as they are in China right now.

It wasn't that many years ago people would laugh if you bought a "Lucky Goldstar" TV but now TV enthusiasts are holding back on upgrading their 1080p sets waiting on the price of LG OLED TV's to fall in price

Regardless, the picture quality is going to absolutely toilet. An Asda 'black friday' telly if ever there was one.

No you are mistaken.
Upconversion is the process of converting an input from one type to another, e.g. S-Video/Component to HDMI
Upscaling is the process of converting an image from on resolution to a higher one, e.g. 480/576/1080 to 1080/4k or any other figure.

ALL HD TV's have a built in upscaling chipset or you would only get an image similar to the one i posted. The difference is that some manufacturers offer a better upscaling chipset (thsi is one of the things you pay extra for in higher end TV's)

I'd imagine the Panasonic's you refer to as having no upscalers are the Vestel manufactured sets with lower quality upscalers.

ahahah, that is for sure called UPCONVERSION (only a deteriorated zoomed picture). Been on their website, if there was a proper upscaling they would have advertised it, it is a huge point of sale if you can understand, Samsung does and can see what they were talking about as I could witness with the 55"6900 which was returned for other reasons. Anyway, not even the very best properly upscaling tv can match the original picture displayed on a proper 1080p tv. Not sure about these latest 2015 SUHD Samsung. Do not be impressed by what they show at the shop, you already know that as what they usually show in the shop is on average very misleading and when we try TV's at home and compared with what we got, we are always disappointed by the proportion on the money spent against what we already got. I got a Panasonic 4k 50" which apart from being a great monitor for my pc for the rest is not good at all, none of the Panasonic do upscale and was also confirmed by the customer service, unbelievable.

I do not think they do upscale at all like Samsung or Sony. So, standard and HD picture will look worse than a normal 1080p TV