2Gb, no display, average sound quality. Goes Hot.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9082177.htm

4Gb, full colour display and plays video, £29.99, superior sound quality. Goes freezing.

Can Apple fans possibly BE more Muppetational....

Voted cold, can't beat this to have tunes on the go

No, it isn't. Would suggest you look that one up. Besides any of which, 2Gb versus 4Gb.....and no display whatsoever....oh but yeah let me just choose the Apple because I've been blinded by marketing. :neutral_face:

I would say they are going to appeal to different markets. Shuffles are very popular with runners who want something as small as possible.

says 36 to me

2Gb, no display, average sound quality. Goes Hot.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9082177.htm

4Gb, full colour display and plays video, £29.99, superior sound quality. Goes freezing.

Can Apple fans possibly BE more Muppetational....

Apple is better than Philips maybe

£29. for me as well

No, it isn't. Would suggest you look that one up. Besides any of which, 2Gb versus 4Gb.....and no display whatsoever....oh but yeah let me just choose the Apple because I've been blinded by marketing. :neutral_face:

Apple is better looking and expensive but everything else is bad specs, battery, etc

I would say they are going to appeal to different markets. Shuffles are very popular with runners who want something as small as possible.

What do you need a display for on a 4GB mp3 player? So you can see how little features it has and browse through your six albums? My ipod shuffle is five years old, never had a single problem with it, dropped it hundreds of times and I don't have some tatty cheap screen to crack when I'm doing weights in the gym.

Thanks OP

Wow....I bet you're a hit at parties! :stuck_out_tongue:

:confused: voted cold by mistake on phone soz x

had one once. binned it, it irritated me so much. without a doubt the worst piece of tech ever. sounds awful, terrible to use, and even worse to get music on to. far better devices out there for similar or less money.

Look at the state of that thing you linked. Shuffles are stripped back music players for running or short listens. Super light and only a few controls to operate which is a blessing when you're knackered and trying to do something in a device.

Apples and oranges etc.

​all manufacturers will decode mp3 into analogue sound via there own algorithm. so the same mp3 file will sound different on different brands of players even with the same headphones.

Rather pick up a Sansa Clip+

£30 for a 2GB MP3 with no display, no thanks.



MP3 is digital, correct - this is exactly the problem.
Headphones aren't digital, they're analogue.
It's the DAC - Digital to Analogue converter that will result in sound quality, and the one on the shuffle is terrible.

Of course you can get an external DAC, but then it gets rid of the point of the tiny music player.

Voted cold using an Android phone. :laughing:

rather carry a jukebox...

Voted cold, can't beat this to have tunes on the go

ooh just under £30 for some average tatt. .. argos must be short on space to offer up such a bargain ... even at a tenner this isn't worth it.

I agree with one of the other comments about battery. and how awkward it is to get music on there... and with a WHOPPING 2gb!!!! hell yeah.. that's a NO!

​hi can u play games on these too? thanks

Link to these 30 quid devices that make the Shuffle look rubbish?

Or you can get a clone on eBay for about £2.

Not difficult......

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-SDMX26-008G-G46K-Clip-Jam-Player/dp/B00VXMY262

Be serious.

That thing is hideous, badly built, bulky compared to a Shuffle which is used for sports, and comes with some ancient charging unit. Why is there a screen on it? How can you see a screen when it's clipped on to your shorts? You need to use controls on the earphones. Or if they break easily be able to change controls simply going by feel without looking at the device while on the go.

SD Card slot? Are you f***ing kidding me? You want to take something with slot on it out in the rain? Who's bright idea was that?

This is what you're comparing to a Shuffle?

Wise up. This is a bog standard MP3 player, not a Shuffle competitor.

What century are you stuck in ? ....cos it certainly ain't this one....LOL

Exactly. Got outed as having absolutely no clue what you're talking about by linking to some POS and now you're throwing out the random insults.

Just to further add to how useless that thing you linked to is - it has a plastic finish, which can be irritating next to the skin. When you clip a Shuffle to your shorts, the clip rests against your skin. It has a soft anodised finish that never gets cold or irritates when rubbing, even after 50k+ it still won't bug you. Which by the way is a major concern for anyone doing distance or endurance training. Even the slightest of seams on clothes turn into a nightmare in long distance.

Clueless. Go on, link to some other POS so we can laugh at you.

Eeeek.....obviously got 'owned' by Apple and don't know what else is out there.

What's your next trick. Comparing an Alienware gaming PC to a Macbook Air?

Go on, give us a laugh.

Ooooh....somebody's got an attitude problem....grow up...lol

Rest my case. Nothing to say for himself. Couldn't even attempt to justify linking to that POS.

Who's next? Anyone wants to link to a 'Shuffle beater'?

If you've been blinded by Marketing, you don't need a display then.

Sorted - hot deal :stuck_out_tongue: (Actually, I can't stand Apple, so Cold from me ...)

WTF ....you definately have an attitude problem with fellow HUKD members.......grow up FFS !!

Blinded by marketing or you know, actually play sport. Not as though the vast majority of Apple's music players ever made have screens or anything. Heaven forbid Apple make a range of products for different uses.

No, all music players must have a screen even if it will be tucked away in your shorts never to be looked at.

Must. Have. A. Screen.

Keep it coming.

LOL

Sounds like you're a great candidate for a 2GB shuffle user.
Enjoy it mate.

Meanwhile, I'll stick to my rockboxed clip+ with expandable storage and multiple playlist options.

A lot of opinions on here, but that is the great thing with choice. Those of you that don't like the iPod shuffle could just not buy one!

I think it's a great little device for when you don't want to have your large phone in your pocket (i.e. gym or running). There's technically better devices for cheaper, but when all your music is in iTunes anyway...

Guess that could lead to misunderstandings...

When it comes to phones and mp3 players Apple are the Fisher Price in those device areas. Happy with my Macbook Pro which definitely isn't a toy.

I remember having an old nokia n70 or something back in the day and wondered why people were buying these things back then when my phone does the same thing.

Finally some sense spoken. Why are people so obsessed about extra gimmicky features. Some people just want the simple things done and working properly. Why would I buy a cheapo MP3/MP4 player to watch stuff on? I can sync my main playlists with this and just clip it in to tons of places in my car. Heat from me.

Bought last Xmas for daughter. Not impressed with the sound quality. Gave to her, she agreed and eventually gave it away. We have 4 MP3 players in the family, and spent a while switching earbuds and headphones between units and A/B listening to confirm this.

If you like shiny, minimalist stuff, that's fine. I'll pass on this ...

Thanks :-)

While I'm definitely in ant-Apple-ripoff camp, you must be out of your mind if you consider DAC in the Philips to be even close in terms of sound quality. iPod has much better frequency response (20 Hz to 20 kHz) vs poor 80 Hz to 18kHz in SA4VBE04KN. Same for SNR... the list goes on and on...

That of course does not mean you should buy shuffle, but make informed decisions.

Both of you are missing the point entirely, you won't watch any movies on that screen I sincerely doubt anyone would, the reason why you want a screen is so you have a better way of choosing what you want to play and possibly get some artwork on it.

Someone also mentioned that shuffle will survive abuse better and while this is true this almost certainly has a plastic screen which is very hard to destroy and even if you end up destroying it, there is no reason you can't continue using it as a "shuffle" like player.

All in all, apart from design there is virtually no reason to go for Apple, you can find shuffle clones on ebay for cca 5£ which actually sound better and apart from design and possibly durability (although I have one which is in its 6th year and never lost a beat)...

As with most Apple products they are very good at design and marketing and not so good at delivering an actually good product.

Does every thread, everywhere on the internet, involving any apple product, always end up in this sort of discussion?
Can we not all just agree its personal choice and apple users are Wally's? Okay the last bit as a joke. I always thought my apple phone I had was well built and worked seamlessly, its only two failings were being to restrictive and to expensive

I've voted hot just to **** off the anti-Apple sheeple :-P

Chill out, maybe the ease of access and updating your music all through iTunes favours the reason why people opt for the shuffle, it is all personal preference, both are good deals.

Thanks picked up the last one near me ... :laughing:

There are more Apple fanboy haters, than there are Apple fanboys.

Think about that for a moment!

​calm down some people prefer Apple products over other brands because they like their quality and branding.

some people don't like Apple and can't see why other people prefer them.

each to their own.

I really like Apple stuff as it is just so well put together even though I own a HTC one m8 and android tablet.

big deal. move on.

And you'll be using that tired old retort to every user on here who's critical of this piece of crap player, I presume...?

The simple ability to look down and see what the hell track I'm actually ON, isn't a "gimmick". It's a basic entry level requirement for making an mp3 player. The only reason I mentioned the video playback is because it's just an extra option. You don't have to put videos on there you can just use it as a straight mp3 player. People use these things in different ways and I suppose I was only coming from the direction that I use mine in - in bed at night to listen to stories to help me sleep. But I do need to see what the hell I'm actually listening to when some stories are split into parts etc. So in that sense of course and for many other reasons - this thing would be utterly useless.

Sansa Clip... that is all... I like some Apple stuff but dont get the love for the shuffle and hate the restrictions on memory across the range.

No, just the special case that is yourself :wink:

Some small comfort I suppose.

Thanks

....and I did.....and there was a moment of clarity……

Thank God there are more folks on the righteous side, saving money rather than lining the pockets of fat cats with the over-priced shiny fruit based guff made in far eastern sweatshops.

Seriously though, it's rubbish. If you are a runner you then you'll have your phone on tracking the GPS of your session with a £5 rainproof armband to hold it…..and the earphones are terrible.

I can’t believe this is still being made, sold or bought in this day and age!

just use ur phone instead.

​no doubting that the Philips represents better value in terms of media functions.....however, the iPod shuffle is superb for running and general exercise....not having a screen is an advantage when running and it's easy to use the controls without having to look down. the Shuffle also has a clip so it can be attached to clothing....the Philips doesn't.

I have 2, should I buy another?? Haha

However, there are Philips' models that do have a clip....

Feeling bad 'vibes'........

You can put around 80 albums on a 4Gb MP3 player, yet for some in this thread that's not enough that a screen would ever be useful. Even the fact that on some other players you can *optionally* add a MicroSD card has been criticised.

I'm sure the Shuttle is great for some, but amazing how much nonsense some people will spout when criticising an alternative to an Apple product.

MP3's and other digital audio formats become analogue before they even reach the headphone cable. The headphones do none of the conversion work.

Hmmmm

The choice:

2gb player with no expandable storage and horrible interfacing software but the cool name or the 4Gb player with no expandable storage but with longer battery life and a tiny video screen capable of playing a very limited amount of video too and a less cool name.

Both at the same price.

The decision is easy.

The Sandisk Jam 8Gb player with expandable storage for £5 less.

For goodness sake, if you are not interested in the product, why not just move on rather that spouting ****?

Im not seeing a discussion here, more of a campaign of brand hate.

2gb mp3 player with no means of controlling what tracks you play. Don't care what make it is. In this day and age is crap value therefore cold.

come on this is 4 pages of droids losing it as always, every time an Apple deal hits this heights the NHS must get busy with people with high blood pressure being rushed to hospital.

Real only thing on here that has more brand hate than apple is the droids own threads, so much bickering and moaning its unreal, worth a look for anyone wanting a laugh. Comments on one of the recent android deals for a refurb was voted hot, but don't know why because you can get a new one for a tenner more. Says it all really.

It's not brand hate when people are talking about product *features*. I don't care that it is or isn't Apple, I went for an alternative product because it had better features for me. If all you think you're seeing here is brand hate, I'd say you're the one that's being clouded by the brand name - and, if anything, the heat level of this product is showing the complete opposite of 'brand hate'.

2gb of storage? man, the space under my big toenail on my left foot has more storage than that. I went the other way and bought an "old" 5th gen classic and converted it to compact flash it was pretty easy and with a new battery it goes for ever. And the storage well lets just say its now more than the space......

Agree this is relatively speaking rubbish, but I am still going to vote hot because a lot of other folks have.

picked up a clone for a quid , but it has lots more adapability

I after something exactly like that but only if it had bluetooth! ****

I would say they are going to appeal to different markets. Shuffles are very popular with runners who want something as small as possible.[/quote
Yeah...as a runner I think I would prefer the shuffle, and I'm not a huge fan of Apple. It looks better, is smaller, and I think the screen would be redundant too, why would you want to watch such a small screen, pointless. And let's face it, the Phillips is quite an ugly design...

You seem rather angry! You even manage it in the description on your own listing. http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/philips-gogear-mix-4gb-19-99-argos-2270483

I got given one, the sound quality was so poor I never used it again. They must have used the worst audio chip in the world, because it even stinks compared to other iPod's.

Plus cheap MP3's players from a decade ago have more features than the current shuffle (legitimately useful stuff like a screen, radio etc), really goes to show the extent of Apple's brainwashing that such a thing can even sell.

AMEN!

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there is one thing ive noticed apple products last a long time

years ago i used to buy mp3 players which cost around £15 -£20 a pop then after several had broken i decided to buy a ipod i think the price was £100 a lot of money

for at least 5 years i used that ipod in work every single day for at least 5 hours
plus that ipod still works 9 years later and if i didnt have my ipod touch it would still being used daily

I do not know the quality of the one you showed but if i needed a music player for daily use and a good chance it will still be working years later then i would buy the ipod

4gb is good. I wouldnt be looking at the display so that doesnt benefit me.

The reaason id go for the shuffle is because its smaller, lighter and I can clip it onto my clothing.

29 quid for a throwaway Christmas cracker toy? No thanks

As Muppetational as someone who can't tell a bit from a byte?

I'm not an apple fan and have never had an iPhone. I'm a big tech nerd, gym head and runner. Have a superb hi-fi setup so into music also.

I won two of these, an iPod classic, nano and iPod touch over the years and they are fantastic. They just work perfectly every time with no fuss. Even the earphones that come with them are perfect for what you need. Battery is great, buttons are well placed and work every time, synced so easily with iTunes. One shuffle went through the washing machine without any issues. Clip is strong and fits on clothes for with exercise. I will buy another when these ones die in a few years but they show no signs of wear. Sometimes the best product isn't the cheapest one with the highest specs.

To summarize they are minimalistic and perfect at what they do. Hot

whats wrong with useing your phone or just whistle as you run

Ha haaa... Do you think he works for Phillips? :laughing:

So small I have actually lost mine :/ heat!

xD

The only bit of your rant with any factual merit.

I don't really like either, but the one you've posted is 4.5 times the size - don't you think that factor might be important to people other than yourself?

If only this had Bluetooth.

Great for the gym though!

Agree, this looks like a good deal!

Sounds like an Nvidia GPU user.

Same class.

Voted cold because I can't stand Apple items.

what generation is this? the 5th gen is 36£, it doesnt state what this one is?

well worth it if you go the gym. can't even feel it clipped to your clothing

Yes or "explanation" as we tend to call them more generally...

Ohhh no no no. You don't want to do that. What's that? Yes you do? No you don't - Apple is telling you you don't - so you don't. I hope that's cleared that up for you. :smiley:

Dropped in the gym , must be heavy for a 2GB dinosaur.

Can't quite believe its 2015 and all things iPod haven't died already, let alone class as a bargain at almost thirty sheets. Remember buying almost the exact same tech as this about 10 years ago from Feebay for about £7 from China, in fact it was better as it read/ took SD cards. Mental.

While the price is good, if you are buying a mp3 player , always go for the Sony mp3, they have a simple drag and drop system and good sound quality .

iTunes is like the world's most recognisable and intentionally downloaded malware software. Never bought an iDevice for the exact reason that my PC would have to have iTunes installed to use it.

I feel like i've time travelled back to 2005..... They still sell these?!! I must be getting old!

Good price if you specifically want an Apple product the sound quality on iPod's isn't great i have one of the Nano's and and an iRiver Clix much prefer the sound from my Clix

Except the anti-Apple brigade are full of bile.. cherry picking what they think should be a consumers priorities and acting juvenile about it to boot.. it's not like they're just helpfully pointing out other options to help make an informed decision. The constant refusal to acknowledge that it's rational to appreciate the design/build/interface of Apple products make the apple haters look more unstable than people who buy Apple products, the majority of whom are willing to pay a premium because they like the product design / build / whatever and aren't wedded to the company ..

So for all your ranting and slamming folks who buy these mp3 players....you use yours to read you bed time stories?.

Yeah....I see your point now.....Ipod shuffles make lousy story tellers....I heard that they cheat and skip to the ending without warning :stuck_out_tongue:

Let's not pretend this doesn't happen on both sides though. We have in here people who criticised an optional feature to add more space on another player as if it was a bad thing. And the post I replied to was about stopping all discussion, not just anti-Apple. And the post after yours is denigrating someone else's use of another product without any thought to it.

I can see perfectly that the Shuffle would be great for runners, but other than that, a 2gb player in 2015 for £29, with or without screen, is really not a great deal.

The difference is that people with zero interest in the product whatsoever are jumping all over Apple threads, all over the site, to warn consumers about the perils of free choice.

Whereas if you go on a thread for something like a Samsung S6, there's an uncanny lack of iPhone owners posting why they wouldn't buy an S6.

It genuinely doesn't offend me that different people like different things, but from reading some of the comments on here, it winds others up something rotten.

This ^^^

Same as posts of expensive road cycling bikes and I could get a car for that...

If you have nothing good to say then vote cold and post a link of the same item cheaper to help shoppers.

This is an MP3 player. Making alternative suggestions is quite different from going into an iPhone thread and posting about Android phones. I wouldn't do that, but I would certainly recommend an alternative to the Shuttle, unless the key thing for someone is the weight and clip. I decided on the Clip+ myself after reading comments on threads here, and I'm glad of that.

Giving people an informed alternative (no matter the reason) is certainly nothing to warrant the hyperbole of "warn[ing] consumers about the perils of free choice".

1258 degrees... Regardless of how many 'better alternatives' there are out there, the masses view this as a great deal.

If people made suggestions of alternatives in a polite manner, that'd be a different thing. Have a scan through one user's posts in particular in this thread and you'll see that's not the case.

Ive been a member here for quite a few years now and i have seen this become quite an aggresive and unsavoury environment. As mentioned above, civilised suggestions wouldnt go a miss... Its plain obvious when the apple hate brigrade are out to play though.

I bet the issue with the negative feelings towards Apple, is the way this specific has been promoting itself, going as far as having sales person with ludicrous title as "evangelist" >https://www.linkedin.com/title/apple-evangelist

When a company, regardless of the quality of its actual product, start to think in those terms, there are serious question that will arise about buying and therefore financing them.

Not to try and pick holes in your argument but when I've clicked on the link, the people on that list aren't Apple employees. Plus I suspect 'evangelist' is one of these new-fangled corporate buzzwords - have a search on LinkedIn for the number of people with titles such as 'creative disruptor'. I had someone add me a few months ago who's got 'Sales Wolf' in his title.

Clearly this is the one to go for:



Never be embarrassed by your lack of power. It even takes a replaceable AAA battery.

Do you lift ?